Hi, I am new to the group.  I live in Massachusetts in the United States.  I
recently became interested in self hypnosis for pain management. I haven't quite
gotten the hang of it yet.  I have been reading some books on the subject and I
find it quite interesting.  I am hoping to learn from the wisdom of this group.
 
mary



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These and many other articles on hypnotherapy can now be accessed at our UK
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Online Articles

.         Beginners
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f-hypnosis-timeline/>  Guide to the History of Hypnosis (Timeline)

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pnotherapy/>  is Cognitive-Behavioural Hypnotherapy?

This article attempts to briefly outline the historical context and origin
of cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy, a major sub-modality of modern
hypnotherapy. It proceeds to examine the relationship between hypnotherapy
and cognitive-behavioural therapy (CBT) from this
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.         Hypno-CBT(rtm)
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al-hypnotherapy/>  & Cognitive-Behavioural Hypnotherapy

Hypno-CBT(rtm) is a proprietary model of cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.
This article provides a basic overview and explanation of this
approach.http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukhypnosis.wordpress.com&blog
=6521753&post=165&subd=ukhypnosis&ref=&feed=1

.         Morton
<http://ukhypnosis.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/morton-prince-hypnotherapy-as-ra
tional-cognitive-psychotherapy/>  Prince's Cognitive Hypnotherapy

Morton Prince's approach to psychotherapy, as described in his 1906 article,
illustrates the use of "rational persuasion" methods in hypnotherapy, an
early precursor of modern cognitive-behavioural
hypnotherapy.http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=ukhypnosis.wordpress.com&
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So far there does to seem to be a dramatic bit of change; the question now is
will there continue to be more progress or has it peaked. Only time will tell.

At first I used the CD my therapist had made, but over time I really began to
hate the music she uses in the background-- it gets more bloody annoying each
time I hear it, so I've been using a tape I made of my own. So I guess I really
don't know which source is behind that progress...

Ron




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Bacon
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:27 AM
   Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Duelling Suggestions?


   2009/3/31 Ron Hubbard <ryon@...>:
   > ... two sets of hypno-suggestions conflict with
   > each other or what?
   >
   Hi Ron,
   The purpose of the suggestions is to help you to change. So you can
   experiment on yourself - try it one way for a period then the other.
   In the Kundalini yoga world (& I suppose many others - Jesus did 40
   days in the desert) a 40 day period seems to be the minimum in which
   to try it one way then 40 days the other. In my experience a clear
   significant change can be noted somewhere between 20 & 30 days and
   a change strengthens after that point. No change after 40
   days means what you are doing is no good at all.
   On the subject of positive suggestions & affirmations I notice that
   people will keep making them for years and years without significant change
   which makes me wonder why they don't try something else.
   Keith.





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2009/3/31 Ron Hubbard <ryon@...>:
> ...  two sets of hypno-suggestions conflict with
> each other or what?
>
Hi Ron,
The purpose of the suggestions is to help you to change. So you can
experiment on yourself - try it one way for a period then the other.
In the Kundalini yoga world (& I suppose many others - Jesus did 40
days in the desert) a 40 day period seems to be the minimum in which
to try it one way then 40 days the other.  In my experience a clear
significant change can be noted somewhere between 20 & 30 days and
a change strengthens after that point. No change after 40
days means what you are doing is no good at all.
On the subject of positive suggestions & affirmations I notice that
people will keep making them for years and years without significant change
which makes me wonder why they don't try something else.
Keith.

Hi, Guys;

A few days ago I went to my hypnotherapist to get some help with a problem. She
gave me some post-hypnotic suggestions on a CD but I
also thought of some things and I want to give myself these other suggestions
too; will two sets of hypno-suggestions conflict with
each other or what?

Ron

Hello there
2009/3/26 Dwi Panamardika <dwipanamardika@...>:
> give me a coment.
>  How to Hypnotize  people and Other Living Things
I am interested in it too but it maybe not aexciting as you think! I
think you should do some general reading from google searches or
people on this list can tell you their web sites.
If you can get a hypnotist to teach you self-hypnosis. Or go to a
buddhist or yoga group to learn meditaiton.
Its a learn by experience thing. Hope this short note is useful.
Keith.

Always nice to see hypnosis potrayed in a positive light. This article
is about a dentist using hypnosis to help patients overcome their dental
phobia:

http://bit.ly/MZTp <http://bit.ly/MZTp>

Just out of interest, does anyone keep an archive of these sorts of news
items? I have something along those lines for sports hypnosis, but a
record of general hypnosis usage might be good as well.


Gary Baker
The Centre for Sports Hypnosis
http://www.sportshypnosis.org.uk <http://www.sportshypnosis.org.uk>



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 hello...
i'm very interest with hypnotism
i want learn about hypnotism with this groups.
please, give me a coment.
 How to Hypnotize  people and Other Living Things





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This is a video clip from a recent interview I gave on Stoic philosophy and
psychotherapy.  Feel free to post the link to your Facebook page, etc., if
you think your friends would be interested.


_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbYAd7Okmls_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbYAd7Okmls)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbYAd7Okmls


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Hi

David's collection of induction scripts is interesting and helpful.
However I think we're missing out on some of the more subtle points in
using Eye Fixation Induction (and I'll have to check but I think your
Elman induction also misses some subtle key points).

These relate to the opportunity to teach the client how to induce
hypnosis themselves and to correct them when they are resisting,
hypnotic skills can be taught and 'reistance' is a learning opportunity.
When a client is 'resisting' they usually just don't realise they are
doing the opposite of what you have asked them. It was Elman's rapid
ways of correcting his clients (e.g. when the client is asked to imagine
their finger can't bend and then they start bending it, Elman corrects
by saying "but you are imagining you can bend it, I asked you to imagine
you can't bend it...") which I found to be so brilliant.

In Eye Fixation Induction the eyes should be turned up very strongly
nearly to look at the forehead (not just turned up a bit.) The reason
for this is to actually strongly engage and then tire out the forehead
and frown muscles (frontalis muscle - which is correlated with anxiety,
vacili corrugator muscle which is correlated with depression and worry)
and the eye muscles (which are correlated with thinking in images, most
thought has an image component).

When the eyes close and these muscles rapidly relax then thought is shut
down pretty quickly, attention becomes more narrowed onto the therapists
words and suggestability is increased.

In addition the client can be trained in (and the therapist can model)
their own ideomotor response. As they hold their eyes like that they
notice how focusing on the idea that the eyes are becoming heavier and
responses in the eyelids (blinking, closing down etc) can be positively
reinforced.

The combination of demonstration and training of ideomotor response,
narrowing of attention and effort by focusing, and the mental silence
from relaxation of ocular muscles - allows for deep, rapid inductions.

The other induction method that is powerful due to relaxation of muscles
used in the thinking process is aphasia - the client counts out loud
from 100 backwards and makes the voice become quieter and quieter until
it disappears into silence. This drains all tension and effort from the
vocal muscles (used in language-based thought) and again we have rapid
mental silence.

Use Eye Induction with Aphasia for a particularly powerful, quick way of
narrowing attention and shutting down mental phenomena. Adding
suggesions for having relaxed both those areas (eyes and voice) so
deeply that they have forgotten to work utilises ideomotor response and
increases suggestability and expectation of positive results.

   - On another note I think lay hypnotherapists really should take note
of what the researchers in pyschology use when doing hypnosis. There is
a wealth of serious academic research in hypnosis with academics who are
rightly regarded as experts in the field. Obviously they like to use the
same method to ensure standardisation - however the standardised method
is one that will have a good evidence-base of effectiveness (measures of
suggestability before and after induction) and ease of use (because in a
research study of 100 patients they have to be able teach and use the
same method.)

Hope this is helpful.

Regards
Mark Davis
Chairman of the Register for Evidence-Based Hypnotherapy & Psychotherapy
<http://www.rebhp.org/>  - http://www.rebhp.org <http://www.rebhp.org>




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(FCA-Information Management)" <david.mason@...> wrote:
>
> I think I have to disagree with both the replies you got regarding the
induction to use.
>
> The relaxation induction is definitely not the best induction to use
and the eye fixation induction also has many drawbacks.
>
> There are about a dozen examples of inductions you can use on
>
> http://www.hypknowsis.com/SC00_FreeHypnosisScripts.html
>
> with comments on each.
>
> You can also read the inductions sections in the other scripts, which
are all transcripts of actual hypnosis sessions with clients.
>
> As to how do you know the client is in trance - test them. The easiest
test is the eye catalepsy test, but I also use finger lifts as a test
and convincer.
>
>
> Dave Mason PhD
> www.hypknowsis.com
> Wellington NZ
>




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2009/3/25 Lartimus <lartimus_69@...>:
> As for self-hypnosis, here's a link to a page on just that on Barry Thaine's
> website.  He states that he doesn't believe there's any such thing as self
> hypnosis, and reading his reason for this statement I can see why.
> http://mindsci-clinic.com/podtherapy_for_self-hypnosis.htm

A matter of definition. I refer to the deeply relaxed state as
self-hypnosis as that's what lots of people call it. When I am with
yogis and buddhists I call it meditation. Deep relaxation is best
really.
I don't do positive affirmations in this state very much as I was
taught and believe that they aren't very powerful. I train to bring my
proprioception to concious awareness (or other way round!) and to
release muscle tension/neurosis.  This is yoga - the method works on
the principle that our systems can fix themselves if we create the
right conditions for them (those conditions are mainly relaxation,
stillness and confusion! ). This attacks problems in our higher
systems from the underside - hypnotic verbal suggestion attacks them
from the logical reasoning angle.
Keith,
PS A yogi saying - that stuff didn't get in there by logic and logic
won't get it out! (referring to our repression/neurosis ).

I'm not really a hypnotist but there seems to be a variety of states
of enhanced suggestibility.
Deep relaxation is the one most think of as hypnosis. As far as I can
see the main ways to get someone there verbally are by suggestion and
command (switching between them is good) and by emulation which uses
our voice to ear mirroring systems ie. patient copies your state.
People like shaman and 'healers' do it by using touch mirroring. Good
AT teachers can do it very quickly by moving a person while they touch
them (you won't get this in an AT lesson).
Certain movements (like lowering arms and eyes, Tai Chi and yoga) also
add to the effect. So do smells (incense) and rythm (meditation
music).
Breath manipulation is also powerful - I think out breath passing over
the inner nose and any other place where there are lots of nerves
(like the cheeks) stimulates the parasympathetic nervous system
causing calming. This is enhanced when combined with directed focus
(progressive relaxation, full body scan or yoga nidra).

Some yoga manipulates our systems to change our hormonal state - not
sure if hypnotists do that but I think deeply calming someone probably
sets off some hormone re-balancing anyway.

So there is lots to play with! In terms of inducing odd states I
suspect the yogis and shamen may be the masters of this stuff. Many of
their techniques would get a hypnotherapist sued though!

Keith

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Lartimus <lartimus_69@...>
wrote:
> I'm pretty new to all this hypnosis stuff but I've been doing a lot of reading
over the past few months. 

Basically, I think you're at risk of being given the run around by all the
garbage written about hypnosis on the internet.  Sadly a lot of the information
you'll find online is worthless because there's nobody monitoring or editing it
and so all sorts of nonsense abounds.  I'd suggest you start by looking at more
credible sources of information on hypnosis such as the recent Oxford Handbook
of Hypnosis or the International Journal of Clinical & Experimental Hypnosis. 
Even the Wikipedia has some degree of quality control.

A lot of the flannel on people's websites is more about marketing their training
courses or therapy services or has simply been written by cranks who don't know
anything about the subject, unfortunately.


Donald Robertson

Thanks for this information Dave, I'll definitely take a look at the website.

It does seem that there are widely differing opinions on this.
 
Cheers,Lartimus.





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Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 20:03:36
Subject: [UKhypno] Re:Induction Methods


I think I have to disagree with both the replies you got regarding the induction
to use.

The relaxation induction is definitely not the best induction to use and the eye
fixation induction also has many drawbacks.

There are about a dozen examples of inductions you can use on

http://www.hypknows is.com/SC00_ FreeHypnosisScri pts.html

with comments on each.

You can also read the inductions sections in the other scripts, which are all
transcripts of actual hypnosis sessions with clients.

As to how do you know the client is in trance - test them. The easiest test is
the eye catalepsy test, but I also use finger lifts as a test and convincer.

Dave Mason PhD
www.hypknowsis. com
Wellington NZ






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Hi Keith,
I'm pretty new to all this hypnosis stuff but I've been doing a lot of reading
over the past few months.  Today I was wondering about depths of trance (in
general, not necessarily for self-hypnosis, if there is such a thing) and came
across the website for 'Ultradepth'  http://www.ultradepth.com/index.html  On
this website there's a pdf you can download that details different levels of
trance http://www.ultradepth.com/Ramey-Sichort%20Depth%20Scale.pdf    whether or
not this is an actual factual thing or, as I've also read on another website
tonight, that the lower levels (esdaile and sicort) might just be somnambulism,
I don't know.  There's a lot of information out there and much of it is
conflicting but this website does have quite a bit of interesting reading on it.


As for self-hypnosis, here's a link to a page on just that on Barry Thaine's
website.  He states that he doesn't believe there's any such thing as self
hypnosis, and reading his reason for this statement I can see why.
http://mindsci-clinic.com/podtherapy_for_self-hypnosis.htm
 
Cheers,
Lartimus.





________________________________
From: Keith Bacon <KeithBacon7@...>
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:02:38
Subject: [UKhypno] How To Measure Depth of Trance in Self Hypnosis?


Hello all,
Can anyone tell me or point me to a web page that gives any measure of
depth of trance?
For self hypnosis I guss this would be more about changes in internal
feelings and perceptions rather than visible signs. Is there in fact
any simple measure?
Keith.






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I think I have to disagree with both the replies you got regarding the
induction to use.

The relaxation induction is definitely not the best induction to use and the eye
fixation induction also has many drawbacks.

There are about a dozen examples of inductions you can use on

http://www.hypknowsis.com/SC00_FreeHypnosisScripts.html

with comments on each.

You can also read the inductions sections in the other scripts, which are all
transcripts of actual hypnosis sessions with clients.

As to how do you know the client is in trance - test them. The easiest test is
the eye catalepsy test, but I also use finger lifts as a test and convincer.


Dave Mason PhD
www.hypknowsis.com
Wellington NZ

Thanks everyone for the replies to my question on induction methods and
hypnosis checks, they were very helpful.

More than anything else I think I need to get plenty of experience under my
belt, which I'm currently in the process of sorting out.  Look out friends and
family, here I come...  :o)

Cheers,
Lartimus.
 
===================
Hi there,
I've got a couple of questions for any hypnotherapists out there.  Firstly, is
there a particular method of induction that's favoured by most people? And
secondly, how do you know when the client is hypnotised - do you do any kind of
checks, such as get arm levitation or something similar?  If not how do you know
that the client is hypnotised?

Thanks,
Lartimus.




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Speaking of induction techniques, has anyone here ever seen the movie, Lathe of
Heaven? A particularly fast but brutal method of hypnosis is being used-- or
portrayed anyway, where the hypnotist presses his thumbs against the patient's
neck (probably at the jugular on one side and carotid on the other). I'm
wondering if this is a real technique or something Hollywood dreamed up?

Ron


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Donald Robertson
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:23 AM
   Subject: [UKhypno] Re: Induction Methods


   --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Lartimus <lartimus_69@...>
wrote:

   > I've got a couple of questions for any hypnotherapists out there.  Firstly,
is there a particular method of induction that's favoured by most people? And
secondly, how do you know when the client is hypnotised - do you do any kind of
checks, such as get arm levitation or something similar?  If not how do you know
that the client is hypnotised?

   The most common hypnotic induction is the classic James Braid method
("Braidism"), the original hypnotic induction, also known as eye-fixation. Most
scientific research on hypnosis employs this induction, e.g., the Stanford Scale
of Hypnotic Susceptibility (SHSS) uses it.

   There's not much evidence that other induction techniques have much effect,
although that's not to say they don't. Many researchers, and some clinicians,
believe that the induction is a trivial part of the process and mainly acts as a
ritual or signal for the client to allow themselves to voluntarily enter into a
suggestible attitude of mind.

   Research has consistently failed to find any "markers" of hypnotic trance,
hence many modern hypnotists (Kirsch, Barber, Sarbin, Spanos, et al.) have
abandoned that way of interpreting hypnosis. We usually judge whether someone is
hypnotised or not based on their behaviour in response to suggestion tests,
e.g., eye-closure, eye-fixation, arm levitation, arm rigidity, etc., or their
response to therapeutic suggestions "in vitro", i.e., during the session can
serve as a kind of "suggestion test."

   Yours Sincerely,

   Donald Robertson
   College Principal & Executive Director

   Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
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If you haven't seen it - Barry Thain (much beloved and now expelled member
of this forum) has a hand lift induction posted on his website an on You
Tube.  His website is www.mindsci-clinic.com.  Worth looking at and
perfectly genuine. I've seen him use it many times.
Richard Morley

2009/3/23 <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>

>
>
> In a message dated 23/03/2009 3:15:10P.M. GMT Standard Time,
> ryon@... <ryon%40dslnorthwest.net> writes:
>
> Speaking of induction techniques, has anyone here ever seen the movie,
> Lathe
> of Heaven? A particularly fast but brutal method of hypnosis is being
> used--
> or portrayed anyway, where the hypnotist presses his thumbs against the
> patient's neck (probably at the jugular on one side and carotid on the
> other).
> I'm wondering if this is a real technique or something Hollywood dreamed
> up?
>
> No, it's just a con. It's an old trick called a "sleeper" induction that
> used to be, apparently still is, used by disreputable stage hypnotists. It
> is,
> of course, extremely dangerous and completely illegal and has nothing
> whatsoever to do with hypnotism. It's a dangerous scam.
>
> See, for example, pages 226 onward of Ormond McGill's New Encyclopedia of
> Stage Hypnosis for a full discussion of this "carotid artery pressure"
> technique
> and the similar "chest squeeze" method.
>
>
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Donald Robertson
> College Principal & Executive Director
>
> Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
> Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
> Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)
> Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (RSPH)
>
> The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
> _www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
>
> Freephone (UK) 0800 195 9809
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Hello all,
Can anyone tell me or point me to a web page that gives any measure of
depth of trance?
For self hypnosis I guss this would be more about changes in internal
feelings and perceptions rather than visible signs. Is there in fact
any simple measure?
Keith.

Hi Donald and every one,
When we go into very deep relaxation our muscles let go but is this
all of our muscle or just parts of them. It seems most people have
bits of muscle that are hardened and lumpy/stringy and other bits that
are more smooth and malleable. When I relax the smooth bits relax but
the harder bits don't seem to change their state at all.
It seems my mind is managing some bits of muscle differently from
other bits.  Is this common or is it just me?
Keith.

In a message dated 23/03/2009 3:15:10P.M. GMT Standard Time,
ryon@... writes:

Speaking  of induction techniques, has anyone here ever seen the movie, Lathe
of Heaven?  A particularly fast but brutal method of hypnosis is being used--
or portrayed  anyway, where the hypnotist presses his thumbs against the
patient's neck  (probably at the jugular on one side and carotid on the other).
I'm wondering  if this is a real technique or something Hollywood dreamed  up?


No, it's just a con.  It's an old trick called a "sleeper"  induction that
used to be, apparently still is, used by disreputable stage  hypnotists.  It is,
of course, extremely dangerous and completely illegal  and has nothing
whatsoever to do with hypnotism.  It's a dangerous  scam.

See, for example, pages 226 onward of Ormond McGill's New Encyclopedia of
Stage Hypnosis for a full discussion of this "carotid artery pressure" technique
  and the similar "chest squeeze" method.


Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Lartimus <lartimus_69@...>
wrote:

> I've got a couple of questions for any hypnotherapists out there.  Firstly, is
there a particular method of induction that's favoured by most people? And
secondly, how do you know when the client is hypnotised - do you do any kind of
checks, such as get arm levitation or something similar?  If not how do you know
that the client is hypnotised?

The most common hypnotic induction is the classic James Braid method
("Braidism"), the original hypnotic induction, also known as eye-fixation.  Most
scientific research on hypnosis employs this induction, e.g., the Stanford Scale
of Hypnotic Susceptibility (SHSS) uses it.

There's not much evidence that other induction techniques have much effect,
although that's not to say they don't.  Many researchers, and some clinicians,
believe that the induction is a trivial part of the process and mainly acts as a
ritual or signal for the client to allow themselves to voluntarily enter into a
suggestible attitude of mind.

Research has consistently failed to find any "markers" of hypnotic trance, hence
many modern hypnotists (Kirsch, Barber, Sarbin, Spanos, et al.) have abandoned
that way of interpreting hypnosis.  We usually judge whether someone is
hypnotised or not based on their behaviour in response to suggestion tests,
e.g., eye-closure, eye-fixation, arm levitation, arm rigidity, etc., or their
response to therapeutic suggestions "in vitro", i.e., during the session can
serve as a kind of "suggestion test."



Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (RSPH)

The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.UKhypnosis.com

Freephone (UK) 0800 195 9809
Fax: 01403 265 015
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Lartimus,

I have found that the most commonly used (and preferred) induction method is the
basic progressive relaxation technique. This involves helping the client relax
from head to toe.

For more in-depth answers to your other questions, you may want to check out
this online hypnotherapy training program:
http://americanallianceofhypnotists.org/classes.htm

Sincerely,

Steve G. Jones, M.Ed.
Clinical Hypnotherapist



--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Lartimus <lartimus_69@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> I've got a couple of questions for any hypnotherapists out there.  Firstly, is
there a particular method of induction that's favoured by most people? And
secondly, how do you know when the client is hypnotised - do you do any kind of
checks, such as get arm levitation or something similar?  If not how do you know
that the client is hypnotised?
>
> Thanks,Lartimus.
>
>
>
>
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>