Dear Hypnosis-Hypnotherapy-UK,
I am a college student and I'm doing a project on hypnosis.  I was
wondering if anyone here could give me some general information on the
subject.  Also, I was wondering if I could interview any of you over
the message board so that I could get more information for my project.
  This group seems very friendly and I hope to hear from you very soon.

Sincerely,
Shanna S.

Ronnie:

         Take some time off for your first course. There is no substitute
for actual people to train with. You can take home study for advanced
training once you know what you are doing.


In peace,
Daniel F. Cleary
Hypnosis for Health Learning Center & Hurricane Hypnosis
P.O. Box 14784,  North Palm Beach, FL 33408,  (561)313-1844
http://danclearyhypnosis.com, www.transformationallstars.com

Ronnie,

I humbly suggest my distance learning course. Please visit my website for
details - www.FindingTrueMagic.com
Here is a testimonial I received from a UK grad who completed just last month. I
am sure she can fill you in on the UK laws.
Let me know if you would like her contact information. Good luck!

"I have just completed this book and the entire certification course in Finding
True Magic. I have found it one of the most inspirational and enlightened
learning processes, if not the most, in my life to date.
As a hypnotherapist with a strong interest in the spiritual aspect of life and
the combination of both, it was important that I find a course that could offer
me in-depth learnings in spiritual philosophy coupled with sound common sense
and practical application of psychotherapeutic practices. This I found with Jack
Elias's profound intelligence in the subjects of both eastern and western
philosophy and hypnosis.
The book is fascinating, inspiring, inspirational and informative from the
Preface onwards up until the very end. Quite simply, it makes you stop and
really think about how you live your life, how you process your thoughts, how
you do whatever you do in everyday life. Not only do you learn as a
hypnotherapist new approaches, and new perspectives, you fully take part in the
process of spiritual enlightenment and development as you progress with the book
and the course. It is impossible not to.
It explores the ego in great depth and Jack's style from the excellent
certification course which accompanies this book is entertaining, gripping,
jaw-dropping and highly knowledgeable. For the new hypnotherapist, there are
some excellent scripts as guidelines which incorporate the transpersonal side of
hypnosis and for the experienced hypnotherapist, it is a chance to really
enhance the transpersonal knowledge and improve your current practices by
understanding more thoroughly the power of the egoic mind.
Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous and a real life changer!! 10 out of 5!! For anyone
reading this -- go do the course. The book is brilliant but it is a fraction of
what the rest of the course can really guide you to discover."
Caroline Cousins, CHT, UK

Peace,
Jack

Jack Elias, CH
Lucid Heart© Therapy & Life Coaching
Institute for Therapeutic Learning
Author, Finding True Magic: Transpersonal Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy/NLP
A Radical Synthesis of Eastern & Western Perspectives & Techniques
www.FindingTrueMagic.com
Hypnotherapy Certification,  Private Sessions, & Self-Improvement Products


"The world is its own magic."   -- Shunryu Suzuki, Roshi

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ronnie.tucker
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 1:52 PM
   Subject: [UKhypno] hypnotherapy home-study course


   Can anyone out there point me in the direction of a good distance
   learning / home study course on Hypnotherapy? Preferably one that ends
   with a recognised Diploma/Certificate and includes something on UK Law
   and the setting up of a Hypnotherapy practice.

   The reason for home study is that I work afternoons to late evening most
   nights of the week so am unable to attend classes at 'normal' times. But
   can put in a bit of studying at work (on the sly of course!)

   Thanks!
   Ronnie
   [:)]

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Can anyone out there point me in the direction of a good distance
learning / home study course on Hypnotherapy? Preferably one that ends
with a recognised Diploma/Certificate and includes something on UK Law
and the setting up of a Hypnotherapy practice.

The reason for home study is that I work afternoons to late evening most
nights of the week so am unable to attend classes at 'normal' times. But
can put in a bit of studying at work (on the sly of course!)

Thanks!
Ronnie
   [:)]



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I am having weekly sessions of hypnosis/hypnoanalysis for panic attacks with 
agoraphobia .Is it ok to listen to a hypnotic relaxation cd I have by Glenn
Harold in between my one to one sessions?
   thanks,
   bet


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hello
   I came across the group after searching yahoo for hypnosis forums.I am very
interested in hypnosis and hope to study it soon.I love nature and animals music
and dancing.I am here hoping to have interesting conversations and to learn from
others.

   bet


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Ah - this is a subject close to my heart.

As someone who has suffered violent (and dangerous) allergic reactions to milk
products for 50 years (all my life), I'm concerned that people may not respect
my need for a milk-free diet believing it to be merely a 'trendy' affectation. 
This is not helped by the sort of situation I witnessed in a restaurant recently
when a diner at a nearby table made a big fuss about needing a dairy-free main
course and then chose a chocolate cream concoction for dessert!

My husband was an undiagnosed Coeliac (intolerance to gluten) and died at the
age of 47 from a type of cancer almost exclusive to Coeliacs, having been
(mis)diagnosed by his GP for almost a year as having IBS.

Please don't write off all food intolerances as being "in the mind"!

Sue
Sue McIntyre  Dip.Adv.Hyp.  Dip.Pers.Dev.  Cert.Couns.
Hypnotherapy, Coaching, Counselling, Stress Management
www.theconsultingrooms.co.uk
+44 (0)1278  784490
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: HypnoSynthesisUK@...
   To: nlp-UK@yahoogroups.com ; hypnosis-hypnotherapy-uk@yahoogroups.com ;
hypnosis-hypnotherapy@yahoogroups.com ; hypnosynthesis@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:58 AM
   Subject: [UKhypno] News: Food Intolerance "in the Mind"


   A poll on food intolerance has shown that 40% of people think it is "trendy"
   to have one. There has been well-known controversy over the widespread use
   of complementary methods for diagnosing intolerance which have failed to
   prove their effectiveness in clinical trials.

   _BBC NEWS | Health | Many 'imagine' food intolerance_
   (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7000291.stm)


   Yours Sincerely,

   Donald Robertson
   College Principal & Executive Director

   Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
   Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
   Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)
   Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (RSPH)

   HypnoSynthesis®
   The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
   _www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
   Freephone (UK) 0800 195 9809
   International +44(0)1403248266
   HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17 Piries Place, Horsham, RH12 1BF

   HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The UK
   College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
   Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of Learning
   Providers No.10008042

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is there anyone out there who is able to help me as i am looking for a
script to help someone reduce there sugar intake including cakes etc

is there anyone out there who can help

I am Sam Turso. i would like to learn hypnosis. i like birds. i also would like
to learn anything that is reasonable.

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In a message dated 18/09/2007 5:29:10P.M. GMT Standard Time,
sue@... writes:

As someone who has suffered  violent (and dangerous) allergic reactions to
milk products for 50 years (all  my life), I'm concerned that people may not
respect my need for a milk-free  diet believing it to be merely a 'trendy'
affectation.   [...]
Please don't write off all food  intolerances as being "in the mind"!


Hi Sue,

This debate really needs to begin by stating that there is a clear
distinction between an "allergy" and an "intolerence" to food.   Nutritionists
are
meant to be very careful to distinguish between them.  If  this really is an
issue
close to your heart, you should look closer into the  distinction between
these things.

Your final remark entails a straw man argument because nobody in the  article
had postulated that all food intolerance are in the mind, only that a  large
number may be.


Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis &  Hypnotherapy Ltd.
_www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
Freephone (UK) 0800  195 9809
International +44(0)1403248266
HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17  Piries Place, Horsham, RH12 1BF

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered  trademark and trading name of The UK
College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy  Ltd.
Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of Learning
Providers No.10008042






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A poll on food intolerance has shown that 40% of people think it is  "trendy"
to have one.  There has been well-known controversy over the  widespread use
of complementary methods for diagnosing intolerance which have  failed to
prove their effectiveness in clinical trials.

_BBC NEWS | Health |  Many 'imagine' food intolerance_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7000291.stm)


Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis &  Hypnotherapy Ltd.
_www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
Freephone (UK) 0800  195 9809
International +44(0)1403248266
HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17  Piries Place, Horsham, RH12 1BF

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered  trademark and trading name of The UK
College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy  Ltd.
Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of Learning
Providers No.10008042






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Many thanks to Sue Mcintyre and Andy Rhodes for your response to my
requests.

I'm still looking for a potential mentor starting around the end of
October if anyone is interested ?

Apologies for the rather poor, error filled message last time round !

Kindest regards - Jim Scargill

Hi everyone,
My name is Jim Scargil and I passed the first part of
the 'Hypnosynthesis' Diploma course last February.

I've been following both general and smoking circle e.mails with
great interest but, alarmingly, I have not received any e.mails since
the 7th of september. Is anything going on that I'm unaware of ?

I currently live in France but I'm planning to return to the UK at
the end of September with the intention of starting my practice and
following up on the Diploma course. It's probably a bit cheeky, but
if anyone feels able to suggest any scripts, on all subjects but
particularly smoking cessation, I would be very grateful.

I shall also be looking for a mentor in the Bury St. Edmunds. I'm
gussing it will take me something like a month to organise and set up
the business so I'm looking to speak to people sooner rather than
later (via e.mail).

Finally, many thanks to all those who have contributed to the smoking
circle in recent months providing me with intereting and somtimes
amusing pieces.

Kindest regard to all

Jim Scargill

Hi

I have a client who I feel needs a Middle-Eastern Arabic speaking
hypnotherapist.

This begs the question: Has anyone done regression with someone who
didn't speak English, and you didn't know their native language either?

I feel that if a client is regressed to a sourcing incident, then they
are likely to fall into their native language.

Cognitive-Behavioural Hypnotherapy


Special One-Day Introductory  Workshop (London, UK)
The National Council for Hypnotherapy  (NCH) have provided this event as an
opportunity for low-cost continual  professional development (CPD) for
hypnotherapists.
Content:
The morning will be dedicated mainly  to discussion of the working model of
cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy, with  the afternoon mainly dedicated to
group and individual practical exercises  employing some of the most important
techniques  discussed.*
1.       How does hypnotherapy relate to CBT?
2.       The cognitive-behavioural theory of hypnosis.
3.       What is cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy (CBH)?
4.       The philosophy of “evidence-based eclecticism.”
5.       Research evidence and cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.
6.       Basic concepts in cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.
7.       Therapeutic strategies in cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.
8.       The therapeutic armamentarium of cognitive-behavioural
hypnotherapy.
9.       Advanced Hypnotic Desensitisation Therapy
10.   Multi-Modal Hypnotic  Exposure Therapy
Materials:
Students will receive a short manual  covering elements of the theory and
practice of cognitive-behavioural  hypnotherapy.
Target Audience:
This event open to all  hypnotherapists to attend, whether you are currently
registered with NCH or  not.  It will be especially useful to those seeking to
learn more about the  relationship between hypnotherapy and CBT and to
acquire new techniques and  strategies from cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.
Booking:
For more information  contact,
Richard Nicholls
NCH Director of  Development
Tel: 0845 634 8052
Email _development@..._
(mailto:development@...)
_Click here for NCH Programme of  CPD_ (http://www.hypnotherapists.org.uk/)
Cost:
This event is presented as part of  the National Council for Hypnotherapy
(NCH) programme of continual  professional development (CPD).  You may benefit
by
joining NCH when  applying for this workshop to take advantage of the
discounts offered, call for  details.
New NCH Members: FREE of charge for  those eligible, contact NCH for details.
Other NCH Members: £60
Non-members: £70
Lunch is included.
Trainer:
Donald Robertson
Accredited Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Hypno-Psychotherapist  (UKCP/EAP)
Donald is the principal and director  of the UK College of Hypnosis &
Hypnotherapy, and has over ten years’  experience of hypnotherapy and
psychotherapy
in a variety of clinical  contexts.  His forthcoming books Philosophy & CBT,
and The  Practice of Cognitive-Behavioural Hypnotherapy are scheduled for
publication  next year.
Date & Time:
9:30-4:30pm, Saturday,  22nd September, 2007
Venue:
The UK  College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy
Plantation  Wharf
London
nr. Clapham  Junction train station.
* Terms &  Conditions
Changes to the workshop content may  be made to incorporate new material,
without notification.  Participants  must be in suitable physical and mental
health.  This event is unsuitable  for people who have a history of mental
illness.


Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)


HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis &  Hypnotherapy Ltd.
_www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
Freephone (UK) 0800  195 9809
HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17 Piries Place, Horsham, RH12  1BF

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name  of The UK
College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
Registered in England  as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of Learning
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Don,

Regarding home study courses -- In order for students to receive certification
with my course they have to do the training option that includes homework
evaluation by me, including practice sessions,  and tutorials with me by phone
(or Skype).
I hope you will post this, not simply because I would like the exposure but
because I truly believe I have been blessed to be able to offer an exceptional
training that would benefit new and experienced hypnotherapists alike.
Here is the assessment of a recent UK graduate:

  "I have just completed this book and the entire certification course in Finding
True Magic. I have found it one of the most inspirational and enlightened
learning processes, if not the most, in my life to date.
As a hypnotherapist with a strong interest in the spiritual aspect of life and
the combination of both, it was important that I find a course that could offer
me in-depth learnings in spiritual philosophy coupled with sound common sense
and practical application of psychotherapeutic practices. This I found with Jack
Elias's profound intelligence in the subjects of both eastern and western
philosophy and hypnosis.
The book is fascinating, inspiring, inspirational and informative from the
Preface onwards up until the very end. Quite simply, it makes you stop and
really think about how you live your life, how you process your thoughts, how
you do whatever you do in everyday life. Not only do you learn as a
hypnotherapist new approaches, and new perspectives, you fully take part in the
process of spiritual enlightenment and development as you progress with the book
and the course. It is impossible not to.
It explores the ego in great depth and Jack's style, from the excellent
certification course which accompanies this book, is entertaining, gripping,
jaw-dropping and highly knowledgeable.
For the new hypnotherapist, there are some excellent scripts as guidelines which
incorporate the transpersonal side of hypnosis, and for the experienced
hypnotherapist, it is a chance to really enhance the transpersonal knowledge and
improve your current practices by understanding more thoroughly the power of the
egoic mind.
Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous and a real life changer!! 10 out of 5!! For anyone
reading this -- go do the course. The book is brilliant but it is a fraction of
what the rest of the course can really guide you to discover."
Caroline Cousins, CHT, UK

Thanks, Don.

Peace,
Jack

Jack Elias, CH
Lucid Heart© Therapy & Life Coaching
Institute for Therapeutic Learning
Author, Finding True Magic: Transpersonal Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy/NLP
A Radical Synthesis of Eastern & Western Perspectives & Techniques
www.FindingTrueMagic.com
Hypnotherapy Certification,  Private Sessions, & Self-Improvement Products


"The world is its own magic."   -- Shunryu Suzuki, Roshi

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Donald Robertson
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:32 AM
   Subject: [hypno] Re: interested in hypnosis training and need advice!!!


   --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy@yahoogroups.com, "sandralzires"
   <sandralzires@...> wrote:
   > I have been a member for a couple of months and am getting closer
   to plundging into a hypnosis training program. I would REALLY
   appreciate any advice you all may have.

   We run one of the largest hypnotherapy training college's in the UK
   but it sounds like you're based in the US. I'll try to comment,
   though.

   www.HypnoSynthesis.com

   > Due to childcare issues amd pending relocation, I have been
   investigating home study (HS) hypnosis programs. I have been told by
   several hypnosis professionales that I would be wasting my money if
   I invested in a HS program.

   The short answer is that home study is not at all comparable to
   classroom training in hypnotherapy and is not accepted by most of the
   professional bodies (in the UK at least) as adequate. There are some
   good home study programmes but they are best seen for what they are:
   a bunch of DVDs and books.

   You could easily order better textbooks from Amazon, and take your
   pick of DVDs from different sources, e.g., Westwood Publishing have
   many for sale online. The only additional benefit of a home study
   course is the certificate -but that's not worth the paper it's
   written on. Ordering books online might also work out a lot cheaper
   and you've a better chance of getting ones from different authors,
   giving you a more balanced perspective.

   Two of the most important textbooks are Hammond's "Dictionary of
   Hypnotic Suggestions" and Heap & Aravind's "Hartland's Medical &
   Dental Hypnosis."

   Good classroom training in hypnotherapy is actually exceptionally
   cheap for a vocational qualification. The typical cost (in the UK at
   least) is about £2.5k which is only about 5-10% of the annual
   turnover of a typical hypnotherapist. Vocational training loans
   allow you to pay for the training in instalments after graduation,
   and it can be accounted for as a business expense.

   Yours Sincerely,

   Donald Robertson
   College Principal & Executive Director

   Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
   Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
   Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)
   Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (RSPH)

   HypnoSynthesis®
   The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
   www.UKhypnosis.com
   Freephone (UK) 0800 195 9809
   International +44(0)1403248266
   HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17 Piries Place, Horsham, RH12 1BF

   HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The
   UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
   Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of
   Learning Providers No.10008042






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He could also stare into the subject's eyes and say, "I am the Master; you will
obey me," afew times. Who knows, with somehighly suggestible people that might
just work. <g>

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frankbnanna wrote:
  > You know I am fed up...
  > Is there a course out there where I ... can put people under when I
finish.

I'm not sure, Frank, if this was written tongue-in-cheek.

All the courses I've been on have been part theory and very much hands-on.

Personally, I wouldn't consider a course that taught the theory but not
the skills. It would be like trying to learn to drive a car by sitting
in a classroom learning the theory of driving.

Paddy

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "frankbnanna"
<frankbnanna@...> wrote:
> You know I am fed up when contacting hypnotherapy schools being told
> that they don't teach the swinging watch direct suggestion non
> certificated non nlp straight forward hypnosis I want to learn.

Hypnotists have never actually used a swinging watch as a real
induction, that's a just myth perpetuated by films and novels.  The
original hypnotic induction (Braid, 1843) involved direct suggestion
and staring at a stationary fixation point, Braid's silver lancet
case or the top of a wine bottle(!).  Some stage hypnotists might use
a swinging watch but that's just a gimmick for the audience, like the
crystal ball that other stage hypnotists used in the past.

I run one of the largest hypnotherapy training college's in the UK.
We teach traditional direct suggestion hypnosis, combined with modern
evidence-based cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.  If you're
interested, take a look at our website.  Our first 7-day module
contains about 14 practical sessions in which students employ
different hypnotic inductions and suggestion tests with each other,
etc.  I am the principal trainer and have been teaching self-hypnosis
to clients and doing hypnotherapy for about 15 years.


Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.HypnoSynthesis.com
Freephone 0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The
UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of
Learning Providers No.10008042

You know I am fed up when contacting hypnotherapy schools being told
that they don't teach the swinging watch direct suggestion non
certificated non nlp straight forward hypnosis I want to learn.

So far I've found stage hypnosis course from people who have never
done stage hypnosis. Ericksonian hypnosis from people who have never
met Erickson. And therapy hypnosis from people who seem to do way more
teaching than therapy.

Is there a course out there where I don't hve to sit for hours being
lectured, don't have to take notes and where I get to hypnotise as
much as the course leader and can put people under when I finish. For
gods sake don't tell me this can't be done you only have to look at
you tube to see it being done over and over.

Please help

Regards Frank

This is an interesting piece from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/health/6969298.stm

Ian

Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy UK: HypnotismAs the person who posed the original
question on this topic maybe I can,  hopefully, have the last word...

The reaction has been interesting, informative and constructive, barring a
recent rather unpleasantly arrogant and aggressive interruption. I was glad to
hear how other therapists handle this situation, and would like to thank Mike
and all those who offered advice.

Sincerely,
Anne





To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:49 AM
   Subject: [UKhypno] Digest Number 2060


   Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy UK: Hypnotism
   Messages In This Digest (3 Messages)
     1a. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: Duncan Gunn
     1b. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: Mel Grant
     1c. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: carol gent
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     1a. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients
     Posted by: "Duncan Gunn" duncan@...   roseetcroix
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:39 am (PST)
     To add my tuppence worth...I agree with all that Mike said. I found
     your argument agressive in tone and generalising; both unhelpful.

     There has been good, reasoned debate on this topic; let's keep it
     that way.

     Duncan

     --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lank"
     <mike_lank@...> wrote:
     >
     >
     > Carol,
     >
     > > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this
     level of
     > hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead
     work on
     > yourself.
     >
     > It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours
     that is
     > requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
     >
     >
     > > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep
     your
     > responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to
     all beings
     > including our planet.
     >
     > Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not
     keep their
     > responsibilities, or for more people keeping their
     responsibilities?
     >
     > > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.
     >
     > Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and
     fright that
     > leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or
     miss a
     > session I would think it unfair to charge them.
     >
     > > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all
     which is
     > why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.
     >
     > This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a
     generalisation is
     > unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on
     holiday the
     > following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange,
     so not
     > about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd
     made another
     > commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to
     rearrange.
     > (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
     >
     > > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or
     make their
     > appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them
     >
     > I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion
     and
     > kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without
     good cause
     > is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
     >
     > > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.
     >
     > A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate
     people who
     > disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have
     found it
     > preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
     >
     > Best wishes
     >
     > Mike
     >


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     1b. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients
     Posted by: "Mel Grant" melgrant@...   melgrantuk2001
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:40 am (PST)
     Hello Chaps and Chappesses,

     I have been observing the comments that have been expressed on clients who
     fail to turn up. My take on this subject is simple - I do not chase them to
     find out why they did not attend - I could not care less if their choice is
     to remain as they are. Those clients who attend my clinic have my full
     support and interest to help them overcome whatever ails them. Look, the
     fact is if these clients did not have any behaviour problems they would not
     be seeking our help in the first place. I am quite mercenary about the way I
     treat my clients - if they do not want to help themselves then why should I
     help them?

     I had a gentleman of 74 who believed he has been suffering from depression
     since the mid 1960's - he has been waging this battle against depression for
     40 years or more - I say believed because his doctor diagnosed his condition
     and put him on antidepressants. He has had no psychiatric evaluation or
     tests over these years just some pill pusher who failed to diagnose he was
     suffering from the ups and downs of life - nothing more! He came to me
     because he no longer wanted to put up with his depression and hoped that
     hypnosis possessed the solution to his problem. The initial session was free
     as I wanted to assess his condition and whether he would be suitable for
     treatment. The second time I saw him we chatted about his past and life in
     general and at the end of the session he announced he would come back for
     his next appointment then would not come again. Being curious I enquired as
     to his reason for this decision to which he informed me he wanted me to
     hypnotise him.

     I was overrunning on time and had no time to explain what had taken place on
     the second session - he left the office, a couple of minutes later his
     daughter came to see me, she had made the original appointment for him. I
     was pleased to see her and explained that her father had an unrealistic
     expectation of what hypnosis is, or can or cannot do. He wanted me to undo
     in a 1 hour session what it had taken him 40 years or more to achieve. Yes,
     I could have given him a post hypnotic suggestion that all was well in his
     world and that he did not suffer depression or have fears or there was no
     need to take tablets but the mind would have overcome this suggestion
     eventually. When I saw him again he came in apologetic and proclaimed that
     he had every confidence in me to help him overcome his problem. I explained
     to him that on the last session although he did not have his eyes closed and
     was not in a reclined position he had in fact been hypnotised - whatever
     that is.

     So, the reason I do not care if my clients come back is that they hold
     unrealistic expectations as to how hypnosis will be used, or they really do
     not want to change as there is some pay off of why they are holding on to
     their malady - if not they will do anything to drop it. Lastly but most
     importantly there has been a failure to create a good rapport with the
     client and it is these three elements will impede any therapeutic process or
     progress.

     All the Best

     Mel

     _____

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     [mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lank
     Sent: 25 August 2007 19:45
     To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
     Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients

     Carol,

     > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
     hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
     yourself.

     It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
     requesting 'compassion and kindness'.

     > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
     responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
     including our planet.

     Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
     responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

     > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

     Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
     leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
     session I would think it unfair to charge them.

     > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
     why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

     This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
     unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
     following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
     about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
     commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
     (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

     > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
     appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

     I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
     kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
     is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

     > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

     A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
     disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
     preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

     Best wishes

     Mike

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     Posted by: "carol gent" gentleturtle33@...   gentleturtle33
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:41 am (PST)
     Dear Mike,

     Thank you for your response. I have popped some comments in bold below for
ease.

     Carol.
     Michael Lank <mike_lank@...> wrote:

     Carol,

     > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
     hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
     yourself.

     It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
     requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
     Ok so you found irony here. In your opinion this is hostile. Just to be
clear, I was not making a request from people, it was just a pipe dream hope of
mine. The real irony is that you have all learned this really powerful wonderful
tool (Hypnotherapy.....)that so many do not have and yet are still getting
frustrated and angry when things aren't going your way.
     > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
     responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
     including our planet.

     Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
     responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?
     No. Actually, since you ask, it is not an argument. However, to answer, -
Both and Neither, depending.

     > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

     Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
     leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
     session I would think it unfair to charge them.
     Oh good. And in finding this out, due care, skilled questioning and a gentle
approach is required - not a cut throat business contract - or an angry
therapist.

     > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
     why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

     This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
     unhelpful.
     It is unhelpful to you Mike. It was very helpful to me, thank you.
     Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
     following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
     about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
     commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
     (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
     Well its your call isn't it whether you charge them for the missed sessions,
the exclamation mark seems louder than usual here? Apologies if its just me! To
consider also whether you would even get the money from them if you did. A new
client you would probably lose if you charged the first/second missed session as
well - so say 6 sessions lost because of not making it over the first hurdle.
     But then, after say 4 sessions and they missed the 5th, would the balance
have changed and wouldyou then charge?
     Also How have you managed to keep afloat financially with three missed
appointments? Do you have premises of your own? Or do you work from home/Mobile.


     > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
     appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

     I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
     kindness. We are both hoping here but clearly this is not the case in
reality.However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
     is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
     Show me where I implied that.
     I believe I have been talking about the way this is done, and encourage
objectivity, integrity and as someone mentioned a clear contract which ideally
ought to be in writing because I believe a lot of people wouldn't enter into
them if all the hiddens were revealed and also considerations of the client to
be taken into account and not only the therapist - due to the nature of the
service.
     So for example a doctor who puts their patients needs first - although the
two can not easily be paralleled.

     > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

     A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
     disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
     preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
     Would you. Maybe you would like to reply to me as you, and then "be me" and
reply back to yourself again and say it exactly how you would like to hear it,
in exactly the way you wish it to be written.
     "A negative statement....."..No if you look, it is clearly states it is a
suggestion.
     Our Supermarket staff get the basic hourly wage of around £5 per hour. A
whole days work sometimes wouldn't cover one hours session. Such is the money
system.
     In your opinion and possibly others, possibly many others :-) it was
negative - but you are the one taking it like that - and there is your word
hostile again......

     Best wishes
     Oh thank you very much.
     Mike

     Carol

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In a message dated 29/08/2007 1:28:09pm GMT Standard Time,
tombev@... writes:

>> I would like to agree with you Donald but on this point I  must beg to
differ. .

Hi, I didn't actually write the article, it's not my words, just a  reference
to a BBC news article.

>>  I'm sure that scary pictures and scary warnings are not  going to help
the majority  of people to give up smoking.
There is conclusive evidence to prove that the use of these images  increases
the number of people who stop smoking, that's why the UK Government  are
pushing ahead with it.  Let's avoid "all or nothing" thinking.   That doesn't
mean
everyone will stop, but even if it only decreased the number  of smokers by
1% that could save tens of thousands of lives.  You have to  remember that
small changes made to a huge population affect large numbers of  individual
people
and are therefore worthwhile.

>>  It seems to me that there has been a bigger increase  of  smoking
associated  diseases and annual smoking related deaths  since the health
warnings
were put on packets of cigarettes and tobacco  products, perhaps those
suggestions had something to do with it.


That's not true, the number of people smoking cigarettes continues to
decline each year.  The death rates have also gone down according to the
Government's national office of statistics.  With respect, I think you've  maybe
got the
facts wrong here.

>> Also since those warnings first appeared on tobacco products, even  with
the increase  mortality in smokers,  tobacco companies have still  had
increased
sales worldwide and are still making mega billions per year  selling their
toxic products.


... in other countries.  Mainly developing countries.

>> I would suggest that maybe scare tactic pictures, warnings and  powerful
suggestions of illness might  reduce the amount of smokers  worldwide by
causing illness and fatality in the smokers who  internalise  and accept these
poisenous suggestions and possibly as a result die from the  very illnesses that
are being focussed upon.  Its well known that  revulsion  therapy  causes more
problems that the actual object that  it is being used to remiss.


I disagree and I think research contradicts this as well.  Aversion  therapy
has strong empirical support as an effective treatment, especially in
relation to habits like smoking.  The number of deaths and illnesses is  known
to
have decreased not increased, as you say.

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


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Smokers to face picture warnings
Images highlighting the dangers of smoking will be printed  on all tobacco
products sold in the UK by the end of 2009, under regulations  being set out.
Manufacturers will have to start complying from October next year.
After a public consultation 15 images, including ones of diseased lungs, have
  been chosen to accompany text warnings about lung cancer and heart disease.
Anti-smoking campaigners welcomed the move but smokers' lobby group Forest
said they were being "victimised".
Health Secretary Alan Johnson told BBC News there was evidence from other
countries that the new images would help people quit.
"We do think it will help the number of people, who want to give up to
smoking - the vast majority of smokers want to give up - and this will give them
an extra push," he said.


_BBC NEWS | Health | Smokers  to face picture warnings_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6967160.stm)

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis &  Hypnotherapy Ltd.
_www.UKhypnosis.com_ (http://www.ukhypnosis.com/)
Freephone (UK) 0800  195 9809
International +44(0)1403248266
HypnoSynthesis, Suite 127, 17  Piries Place, Horsham, RH12 1BF

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Dear Mike,

   Thank you for your response. I have popped some comments in bold below for
ease.

   Carol.
Michael Lank <mike_lank@...> wrote:

Carol,

> The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
   Ok so you found irony here.  In your opinion this is  hostile. Just to be
clear, I was not making a request from people, it was just a pipe dream hope of
mine.  The real irony is that you have all learned this really powerful
wonderful tool (Hypnotherapy.....)that so many do not have and yet are still
getting frustrated and angry when things aren't going your way.
> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?
No.  Actually, since you ask, it is not an argument.  However, to answer,  -
Both and Neither, depending.

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.
   Oh good.  And in finding this out, due care, skilled questioning and a gentle
approach is required - not a cut throat business contract - or an angry
therapist.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful.
   It is unhelpful to you Mike.  It was very helpful to me, thank you.
   Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
   Well its your call isn't it whether you charge them for the missed sessions,
the exclamation mark seems louder than usual here? Apologies if its just me! To
consider also whether you would even get the money from them if you did.  A new
client you would probably lose if you charged the first/second missed session as
well - so say 6 sessions lost because of not making it over the first hurdle.
   But then, after say 4 sessions and they missed the 5th, would the balance have
changed and wouldyou then charge?
   Also How have you managed to keep afloat financially with three missed
appointments?  Do you have premises of your own?  Or do you work from
home/Mobile.


> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness. We are both hoping here but clearly this is not the case in
reality.However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
   Show me where I implied that.
   I believe I have been talking about the way this is done, and encourage
objectivity, integrity and as someone mentioned a clear contract which ideally
ought to be in writing because I believe a lot of people wouldn't enter into
them if all the hiddens were revealed and also considerations of the client to
be taken into account and not only the therapist - due to the nature of the
service.
   So for example a doctor who puts their patients needs first - although the two
can not easily be paralleled.


> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
Would you.  Maybe you would like to reply to me as you, and then "be me" and
reply back to yourself again and say it exactly how you would like to hear it,
in exactly the way you wish it to be written.
   "A negative statement....."..No if you look, it is clearly states it is a
suggestion.
   Our Supermarket staff get the basic hourly wage of around £5 per hour.  A
whole days work sometimes wouldn't cover one hours session.  Such is the money
system.
   In your opinion and possibly others, possibly many others :-) it was negative
- but you are the one taking it like that - and there is your word hostile
again......

Best wishes
Oh thank you very much.
Mike

Carol




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Hello Chaps and Chappesses,



I have been observing the comments that have been expressed on clients who
fail to turn up. My take on this subject is simple - I do not chase them to
find out why they did not attend - I could not care less if their choice is
to remain as they are. Those clients who attend my clinic have my full
support and interest to help them overcome whatever ails them. Look, the
fact is if these clients did not have any behaviour problems they would not
be seeking our help in the first place. I am quite mercenary about the way I
treat my clients - if they do not want to help themselves then why should I
help them?



I had a gentleman of 74 who believed he has been suffering from depression
since the mid 1960's - he has been waging this battle against depression for
40 years or more - I say believed because his doctor diagnosed his condition
and put him on antidepressants. He has had no psychiatric evaluation or
tests over these years just some pill pusher who failed to diagnose he was
suffering from the ups and downs of life - nothing more! He came to me
because he no longer wanted to put up with his depression and hoped that
hypnosis possessed the solution to his problem. The initial session was free
as I wanted to assess his condition and whether he would be suitable for
treatment. The second time I saw him we chatted about his past and life in
general and at the end of the session he announced he would come back for
his next appointment then would not come again. Being curious I enquired as
to his reason for this decision to which he informed me he wanted me to
hypnotise him.



I was overrunning on time and had no time to explain what had taken place on
the second session - he left the office, a couple of minutes later his
daughter came to see me, she had made the original appointment for him. I
was pleased to see her and explained that her father had an unrealistic
expectation of what hypnosis is, or can or cannot do. He wanted me to undo
in a 1 hour session what it had taken him 40 years or more to achieve. Yes,
I could have given him a post hypnotic suggestion that all was well in his
world and that he did not suffer depression or have fears or there was no
need to take tablets but the mind would have overcome this suggestion
eventually. When I saw him again he came in apologetic and proclaimed that
he had every confidence in me to help him overcome his problem. I explained
to him that on the last session although he did not have his eyes closed and
was not in a reclined position he had in fact been hypnotised - whatever
that is.



So, the reason I do not care if my clients come back is that they hold
unrealistic expectations as to how hypnosis will be used, or they really do
not want to change as there is some pay off of why they are holding on to
their malady - if not they will do anything to drop it. Lastly but most
importantly there has been a failure to create a good rapport with the
client and it is these three elements will impede any therapeutic process or
progress.



All the Best



Mel





   _____

From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lank
Sent: 25 August 2007 19:45
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients




Carol,

> The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.

> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

Best wishes

Mike





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To add my tuppence worth...I agree with all that Mike said. I found
your argument agressive in tone and generalising; both unhelpful.

There has been good, reasoned debate on this topic; let's keep it
that way.

Duncan

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lank"
<mike_lank@...> wrote:
>
>
> Carol,
>
> >  The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this
level of
> hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead
work on
> yourself.
>
> It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours
that is
> requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
>
>
> > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep
your
> responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to
all beings
> including our planet.
>
> Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not
keep their
> responsibilities, or for more people keeping their
responsibilities?
>
> > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.
>
> Some are some are not.  It is not usually the sensitivity and
fright that
> leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or
miss a
> session I would think it unfair to charge them.
>
> > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all
which is
> why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.
>
> This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a
generalisation is
> unhelpful.  Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on
holiday the
> following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange,
so not
> about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd
made another
> commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to
rearrange.
> (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
>
> > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or
make their
> appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them
>
> I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion
and
> kindness.  However charging someone for missing a session without
good cause
> is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
>
> > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.
>
> A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate
people who
> disagree with than attract them to your argument.  I would have
found it
> preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Mike
>

Hi All,

   Few months ago i put up a request regarding how hypnosis can help in job hunt.
I recveived many suggestions and i tried self hypnosis and i have a good job at
hand now.

   I am a software proffessional and i am interested in learning many software
languages like C, JAVA etc. While sufing internet i saw the word  "Accelerated
Learning. There are many vendors that sell accelerated learning hypnosis
sessions.

   I just have two questions

   1) Can accelerated learning or speed learning help me to understand and learn
new software technologies with ease and make me an expert( or may be proficient
) in coding.

   2) Can any one suggest me some good vendors or websites that sell accelerated
or speed learning hypnosis sessions. There are so many and i am totally confused
as to which on is good.

   Any kind of suggestions will be highly appreciated.

   Eagerly waiting for answers.

   Regards,
   David


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Carol,

>  The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.


> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not.  It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful.  Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness.  However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument.  I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

Best wishes

Mike

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, carol gent
<gentleturtle33@...> wrote:

>   The title says it all.  If you are still able to generate this
level of hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could
instead work on yourself.

First, let me say that I have already made a similar point, the
question could have been framed in a more neutral way.

[...]

>   Also how ridiculous it would be to cancel our M.O.T. appointment at
the garage and be charged for repairs that were never made.

However, I disagree with your conclusions.  I have been involved with
therapy at many levels, in different contexts, for about 15 years.
I've managed and supervised many other therapists.  Experience shows
that it is fairly clear therapists suffer by failing to be business-
like enough about their work, especially financial matters.  It's well-
known that only about 20% of people who train to be therapists usually
succeed in making a career out of it.  This is usually because they
lack the business skills to own and manage their own practice.

Your analogy is false.  The client in question did not cancel her
appointment, she failed to turn up.  The difference is that a garage
can easily work on another job but a normal therapy practice does not
have that luxury.  Session time is usually booked on a time-slot
basis.  If a client doesn't turn up a therapist is usually left
twiddling their fingers or reading for an hour.  They cannot normally
undertake paid work in that time so have lost £100 income or so.

A better analogy would be if you booked a hotel room and didn't turn
up.  The hotel would be entitled to charge you if they couldn't fill
the room with another guest.  If you had cancelled far enough in
advance, they could have offered the room to another person.

Another analogy would be if you called out a plumber and weren't there
to let him into your house.  He would be entitled to charge you a call
out fee to cover his wasted time and loss of income.

Your imputation that the therapist brings this on themselves is
unjust.  I have worked with many excellent and well-intentioned
therapists over the years who have clients periodically fail to attend
appointments.  This is mainly down to a lack of clarity over the
contract, the type of clients and problem treated, and the failure to
charge in advance, etc., rather than some esoteric quality they possess.

It's a shame to see good therapists suffer financially, and even go out
of business, because they lack the business sense to manage the
finances of their practice well enough to turn a comfortable profit.

Best,

Don