Don,

Regarding home study courses -- In order for students to receive certification
with my course they have to do the training option that includes homework
evaluation by me, including practice sessions,  and tutorials with me by phone
(or Skype).
I hope you will post this, not simply because I would like the exposure but
because I truly believe I have been blessed to be able to offer an exceptional
training that would benefit new and experienced hypnotherapists alike.
Here is the assessment of a recent UK graduate:

  "I have just completed this book and the entire certification course in Finding
True Magic. I have found it one of the most inspirational and enlightened
learning processes, if not the most, in my life to date.
As a hypnotherapist with a strong interest in the spiritual aspect of life and
the combination of both, it was important that I find a course that could offer
me in-depth learnings in spiritual philosophy coupled with sound common sense
and practical application of psychotherapeutic practices. This I found with Jack
Elias's profound intelligence in the subjects of both eastern and western
philosophy and hypnosis.
The book is fascinating, inspiring, inspirational and informative from the
Preface onwards up until the very end. Quite simply, it makes you stop and
really think about how you live your life, how you process your thoughts, how
you do whatever you do in everyday life. Not only do you learn as a
hypnotherapist new approaches, and new perspectives, you fully take part in the
process of spiritual enlightenment and development as you progress with the book
and the course. It is impossible not to.
It explores the ego in great depth and Jack's style, from the excellent
certification course which accompanies this book, is entertaining, gripping,
jaw-dropping and highly knowledgeable.
For the new hypnotherapist, there are some excellent scripts as guidelines which
incorporate the transpersonal side of hypnosis, and for the experienced
hypnotherapist, it is a chance to really enhance the transpersonal knowledge and
improve your current practices by understanding more thoroughly the power of the
egoic mind.
Fabulous, fabulous, fabulous and a real life changer!! 10 out of 5!! For anyone
reading this -- go do the course. The book is brilliant but it is a fraction of
what the rest of the course can really guide you to discover."
Caroline Cousins, CHT, UK

Thanks, Don.

Peace,
Jack

Jack Elias, CH
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Donald Robertson
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:32 AM
   Subject: [hypno] Re: interested in hypnosis training and need advice!!!


   --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy@yahoogroups.com, "sandralzires"
   <sandralzires@...> wrote:
   > I have been a member for a couple of months and am getting closer
   to plundging into a hypnosis training program. I would REALLY
   appreciate any advice you all may have.

   We run one of the largest hypnotherapy training college's in the UK
   but it sounds like you're based in the US. I'll try to comment,
   though.

   www.HypnoSynthesis.com

   > Due to childcare issues amd pending relocation, I have been
   investigating home study (HS) hypnosis programs. I have been told by
   several hypnosis professionales that I would be wasting my money if
   I invested in a HS program.

   The short answer is that home study is not at all comparable to
   classroom training in hypnotherapy and is not accepted by most of the
   professional bodies (in the UK at least) as adequate. There are some
   good home study programmes but they are best seen for what they are:
   a bunch of DVDs and books.

   You could easily order better textbooks from Amazon, and take your
   pick of DVDs from different sources, e.g., Westwood Publishing have
   many for sale online. The only additional benefit of a home study
   course is the certificate -but that's not worth the paper it's
   written on. Ordering books online might also work out a lot cheaper
   and you've a better chance of getting ones from different authors,
   giving you a more balanced perspective.

   Two of the most important textbooks are Hammond's "Dictionary of
   Hypnotic Suggestions" and Heap & Aravind's "Hartland's Medical &
   Dental Hypnosis."

   Good classroom training in hypnotherapy is actually exceptionally
   cheap for a vocational qualification. The typical cost (in the UK at
   least) is about £2.5k which is only about 5-10% of the annual
   turnover of a typical hypnotherapist. Vocational training loans
   allow you to pay for the training in instalments after graduation,
   and it can be accounted for as a business expense.

   Yours Sincerely,

   Donald Robertson
   College Principal & Executive Director

   Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
   Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
   Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)
   Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (RSPH)

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He could also stare into the subject's eyes and say, "I am the Master; you will
obey me," afew times. Who knows, with somehighly suggestible people that might
just work. <g>

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frankbnanna wrote:
  > You know I am fed up...
  > Is there a course out there where I ... can put people under when I
finish.

I'm not sure, Frank, if this was written tongue-in-cheek.

All the courses I've been on have been part theory and very much hands-on.

Personally, I wouldn't consider a course that taught the theory but not
the skills. It would be like trying to learn to drive a car by sitting
in a classroom learning the theory of driving.

Paddy

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "frankbnanna"
<frankbnanna@...> wrote:
> You know I am fed up when contacting hypnotherapy schools being told
> that they don't teach the swinging watch direct suggestion non
> certificated non nlp straight forward hypnosis I want to learn.

Hypnotists have never actually used a swinging watch as a real
induction, that's a just myth perpetuated by films and novels.  The
original hypnotic induction (Braid, 1843) involved direct suggestion
and staring at a stationary fixation point, Braid's silver lancet
case or the top of a wine bottle(!).  Some stage hypnotists might use
a swinging watch but that's just a gimmick for the audience, like the
crystal ball that other stage hypnotists used in the past.

I run one of the largest hypnotherapy training college's in the UK.
We teach traditional direct suggestion hypnosis, combined with modern
evidence-based cognitive-behavioural hypnotherapy.  If you're
interested, take a look at our website.  Our first 7-day module
contains about 14 practical sessions in which students employ
different hypnotic inductions and suggestion tests with each other,
etc.  I am the principal trainer and have been teaching self-hypnosis
to clients and doing hypnotherapy for about 15 years.


Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.HypnoSynthesis.com
Freephone 0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The
UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
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Learning Providers No.10008042

You know I am fed up when contacting hypnotherapy schools being told
that they don't teach the swinging watch direct suggestion non
certificated non nlp straight forward hypnosis I want to learn.

So far I've found stage hypnosis course from people who have never
done stage hypnosis. Ericksonian hypnosis from people who have never
met Erickson. And therapy hypnosis from people who seem to do way more
teaching than therapy.

Is there a course out there where I don't hve to sit for hours being
lectured, don't have to take notes and where I get to hypnotise as
much as the course leader and can put people under when I finish. For
gods sake don't tell me this can't be done you only have to look at
you tube to see it being done over and over.

Please help

Regards Frank

This is an interesting piece from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/health/6969298.stm

Ian

Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy UK: HypnotismAs the person who posed the original
question on this topic maybe I can,  hopefully, have the last word...

The reaction has been interesting, informative and constructive, barring a
recent rather unpleasantly arrogant and aggressive interruption. I was glad to
hear how other therapists handle this situation, and would like to thank Mike
and all those who offered advice.

Sincerely,
Anne





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     1a. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: Duncan Gunn
     1b. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: Mel Grant
     1c. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients From: carol gent
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     1a. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients
     Posted by: "Duncan Gunn" duncan@...   roseetcroix
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:39 am (PST)
     To add my tuppence worth...I agree with all that Mike said. I found
     your argument agressive in tone and generalising; both unhelpful.

     There has been good, reasoned debate on this topic; let's keep it
     that way.

     Duncan

     --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lank"
     <mike_lank@...> wrote:
     >
     >
     > Carol,
     >
     > > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this
     level of
     > hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead
     work on
     > yourself.
     >
     > It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours
     that is
     > requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
     >
     >
     > > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep
     your
     > responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to
     all beings
     > including our planet.
     >
     > Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not
     keep their
     > responsibilities, or for more people keeping their
     responsibilities?
     >
     > > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.
     >
     > Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and
     fright that
     > leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or
     miss a
     > session I would think it unfair to charge them.
     >
     > > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all
     which is
     > why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.
     >
     > This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a
     generalisation is
     > unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on
     holiday the
     > following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange,
     so not
     > about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd
     made another
     > commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to
     rearrange.
     > (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
     >
     > > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or
     make their
     > appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them
     >
     > I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion
     and
     > kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without
     good cause
     > is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
     >
     > > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.
     >
     > A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate
     people who
     > disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have
     found it
     > preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
     >
     > Best wishes
     >
     > Mike
     >


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     1b. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients
     Posted by: "Mel Grant" melgrant@...   melgrantuk2001
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:40 am (PST)
     Hello Chaps and Chappesses,

     I have been observing the comments that have been expressed on clients who
     fail to turn up. My take on this subject is simple - I do not chase them to
     find out why they did not attend - I could not care less if their choice is
     to remain as they are. Those clients who attend my clinic have my full
     support and interest to help them overcome whatever ails them. Look, the
     fact is if these clients did not have any behaviour problems they would not
     be seeking our help in the first place. I am quite mercenary about the way I
     treat my clients - if they do not want to help themselves then why should I
     help them?

     I had a gentleman of 74 who believed he has been suffering from depression
     since the mid 1960's - he has been waging this battle against depression for
     40 years or more - I say believed because his doctor diagnosed his condition
     and put him on antidepressants. He has had no psychiatric evaluation or
     tests over these years just some pill pusher who failed to diagnose he was
     suffering from the ups and downs of life - nothing more! He came to me
     because he no longer wanted to put up with his depression and hoped that
     hypnosis possessed the solution to his problem. The initial session was free
     as I wanted to assess his condition and whether he would be suitable for
     treatment. The second time I saw him we chatted about his past and life in
     general and at the end of the session he announced he would come back for
     his next appointment then would not come again. Being curious I enquired as
     to his reason for this decision to which he informed me he wanted me to
     hypnotise him.

     I was overrunning on time and had no time to explain what had taken place on
     the second session - he left the office, a couple of minutes later his
     daughter came to see me, she had made the original appointment for him. I
     was pleased to see her and explained that her father had an unrealistic
     expectation of what hypnosis is, or can or cannot do. He wanted me to undo
     in a 1 hour session what it had taken him 40 years or more to achieve. Yes,
     I could have given him a post hypnotic suggestion that all was well in his
     world and that he did not suffer depression or have fears or there was no
     need to take tablets but the mind would have overcome this suggestion
     eventually. When I saw him again he came in apologetic and proclaimed that
     he had every confidence in me to help him overcome his problem. I explained
     to him that on the last session although he did not have his eyes closed and
     was not in a reclined position he had in fact been hypnotised - whatever
     that is.

     So, the reason I do not care if my clients come back is that they hold
     unrealistic expectations as to how hypnosis will be used, or they really do
     not want to change as there is some pay off of why they are holding on to
     their malady - if not they will do anything to drop it. Lastly but most
     importantly there has been a failure to create a good rapport with the
     client and it is these three elements will impede any therapeutic process or
     progress.

     All the Best

     Mel

     _____

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     [mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lank
     Sent: 25 August 2007 19:45
     To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
     Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients

     Carol,

     > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
     hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
     yourself.

     It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
     requesting 'compassion and kindness'.

     > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
     responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
     including our planet.

     Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
     responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

     > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

     Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
     leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
     session I would think it unfair to charge them.

     > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
     why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

     This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
     unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
     following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
     about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
     commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
     (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

     > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
     appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

     I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
     kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
     is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

     > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

     A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
     disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
     preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

     Best wishes

     Mike

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     1c. Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients
     Posted by: "carol gent" gentleturtle33@...   gentleturtle33
     Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:41 am (PST)
     Dear Mike,

     Thank you for your response. I have popped some comments in bold below for
ease.

     Carol.
     Michael Lank <mike_lank@...> wrote:

     Carol,

     > The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
     hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
     yourself.

     It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
     requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
     Ok so you found irony here. In your opinion this is hostile. Just to be
clear, I was not making a request from people, it was just a pipe dream hope of
mine. The real irony is that you have all learned this really powerful wonderful
tool (Hypnotherapy.....)that so many do not have and yet are still getting
frustrated and angry when things aren't going your way.
     > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
     responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
     including our planet.

     Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
     responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?
     No. Actually, since you ask, it is not an argument. However, to answer, -
Both and Neither, depending.

     > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

     Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
     leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
     session I would think it unfair to charge them.
     Oh good. And in finding this out, due care, skilled questioning and a gentle
approach is required - not a cut throat business contract - or an angry
therapist.

     > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
     why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

     This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
     unhelpful.
     It is unhelpful to you Mike. It was very helpful to me, thank you.
     Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
     following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
     about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
     commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
     (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
     Well its your call isn't it whether you charge them for the missed sessions,
the exclamation mark seems louder than usual here? Apologies if its just me! To
consider also whether you would even get the money from them if you did. A new
client you would probably lose if you charged the first/second missed session as
well - so say 6 sessions lost because of not making it over the first hurdle.
     But then, after say 4 sessions and they missed the 5th, would the balance
have changed and wouldyou then charge?
     Also How have you managed to keep afloat financially with three missed
appointments? Do you have premises of your own? Or do you work from home/Mobile.


     > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
     appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

     I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
     kindness. We are both hoping here but clearly this is not the case in
reality.However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
     is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
     Show me where I implied that.
     I believe I have been talking about the way this is done, and encourage
objectivity, integrity and as someone mentioned a clear contract which ideally
ought to be in writing because I believe a lot of people wouldn't enter into
them if all the hiddens were revealed and also considerations of the client to
be taken into account and not only the therapist - due to the nature of the
service.
     So for example a doctor who puts their patients needs first - although the
two can not easily be paralleled.

     > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

     A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
     disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
     preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
     Would you. Maybe you would like to reply to me as you, and then "be me" and
reply back to yourself again and say it exactly how you would like to hear it,
in exactly the way you wish it to be written.
     "A negative statement....."..No if you look, it is clearly states it is a
suggestion.
     Our Supermarket staff get the basic hourly wage of around £5 per hour. A
whole days work sometimes wouldn't cover one hours session. Such is the money
system.
     In your opinion and possibly others, possibly many others :-) it was
negative - but you are the one taking it like that - and there is your word
hostile again......

     Best wishes
     Oh thank you very much.
     Mike

     Carol

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In a message dated 29/08/2007 1:28:09pm GMT Standard Time,
tombev@... writes:

>> I would like to agree with you Donald but on this point I  must beg to
differ. .

Hi, I didn't actually write the article, it's not my words, just a  reference
to a BBC news article.

>>  I'm sure that scary pictures and scary warnings are not  going to help
the majority  of people to give up smoking.
There is conclusive evidence to prove that the use of these images  increases
the number of people who stop smoking, that's why the UK Government  are
pushing ahead with it.  Let's avoid "all or nothing" thinking.   That doesn't
mean
everyone will stop, but even if it only decreased the number  of smokers by
1% that could save tens of thousands of lives.  You have to  remember that
small changes made to a huge population affect large numbers of  individual
people
and are therefore worthwhile.

>>  It seems to me that there has been a bigger increase  of  smoking
associated  diseases and annual smoking related deaths  since the health
warnings
were put on packets of cigarettes and tobacco  products, perhaps those
suggestions had something to do with it.


That's not true, the number of people smoking cigarettes continues to
decline each year.  The death rates have also gone down according to the
Government's national office of statistics.  With respect, I think you've  maybe
got the
facts wrong here.

>> Also since those warnings first appeared on tobacco products, even  with
the increase  mortality in smokers,  tobacco companies have still  had
increased
sales worldwide and are still making mega billions per year  selling their
toxic products.


... in other countries.  Mainly developing countries.

>> I would suggest that maybe scare tactic pictures, warnings and  powerful
suggestions of illness might  reduce the amount of smokers  worldwide by
causing illness and fatality in the smokers who  internalise  and accept these
poisenous suggestions and possibly as a result die from the  very illnesses that
are being focussed upon.  Its well known that  revulsion  therapy  causes more
problems that the actual object that  it is being used to remiss.


I disagree and I think research contradicts this as well.  Aversion  therapy
has strong empirical support as an effective treatment, especially in
relation to habits like smoking.  The number of deaths and illnesses is  known
to
have decreased not increased, as you say.

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
College Principal & Executive  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)
Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health  (RSPH)


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Smokers to face picture warnings
Images highlighting the dangers of smoking will be printed  on all tobacco
products sold in the UK by the end of 2009, under regulations  being set out.
Manufacturers will have to start complying from October next year.
After a public consultation 15 images, including ones of diseased lungs, have
  been chosen to accompany text warnings about lung cancer and heart disease.
Anti-smoking campaigners welcomed the move but smokers' lobby group Forest
said they were being "victimised".
Health Secretary Alan Johnson told BBC News there was evidence from other
countries that the new images would help people quit.
"We do think it will help the number of people, who want to give up to
smoking - the vast majority of smokers want to give up - and this will give them
an extra push," he said.


_BBC NEWS | Health | Smokers  to face picture warnings_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6967160.stm)

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
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Dear Mike,

   Thank you for your response. I have popped some comments in bold below for
ease.

   Carol.
Michael Lank <mike_lank@...> wrote:

Carol,

> The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
   Ok so you found irony here.  In your opinion this is  hostile. Just to be
clear, I was not making a request from people, it was just a pipe dream hope of
mine.  The real irony is that you have all learned this really powerful
wonderful tool (Hypnotherapy.....)that so many do not have and yet are still
getting frustrated and angry when things aren't going your way.
> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?
No.  Actually, since you ask, it is not an argument.  However, to answer,  -
Both and Neither, depending.

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.
   Oh good.  And in finding this out, due care, skilled questioning and a gentle
approach is required - not a cut throat business contract - or an angry
therapist.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful.
   It is unhelpful to you Mike.  It was very helpful to me, thank you.
   Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
   Well its your call isn't it whether you charge them for the missed sessions,
the exclamation mark seems louder than usual here? Apologies if its just me! To
consider also whether you would even get the money from them if you did.  A new
client you would probably lose if you charged the first/second missed session as
well - so say 6 sessions lost because of not making it over the first hurdle.
   But then, after say 4 sessions and they missed the 5th, would the balance have
changed and wouldyou then charge?
   Also How have you managed to keep afloat financially with three missed
appointments?  Do you have premises of your own?  Or do you work from
home/Mobile.


> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness. We are both hoping here but clearly this is not the case in
reality.However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
   Show me where I implied that.
   I believe I have been talking about the way this is done, and encourage
objectivity, integrity and as someone mentioned a clear contract which ideally
ought to be in writing because I believe a lot of people wouldn't enter into
them if all the hiddens were revealed and also considerations of the client to
be taken into account and not only the therapist - due to the nature of the
service.
   So for example a doctor who puts their patients needs first - although the two
can not easily be paralleled.


> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
Would you.  Maybe you would like to reply to me as you, and then "be me" and
reply back to yourself again and say it exactly how you would like to hear it,
in exactly the way you wish it to be written.
   "A negative statement....."..No if you look, it is clearly states it is a
suggestion.
   Our Supermarket staff get the basic hourly wage of around £5 per hour.  A
whole days work sometimes wouldn't cover one hours session.  Such is the money
system.
   In your opinion and possibly others, possibly many others :-) it was negative
- but you are the one taking it like that - and there is your word hostile
again......

Best wishes
Oh thank you very much.
Mike

Carol




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Hello Chaps and Chappesses,



I have been observing the comments that have been expressed on clients who
fail to turn up. My take on this subject is simple - I do not chase them to
find out why they did not attend - I could not care less if their choice is
to remain as they are. Those clients who attend my clinic have my full
support and interest to help them overcome whatever ails them. Look, the
fact is if these clients did not have any behaviour problems they would not
be seeking our help in the first place. I am quite mercenary about the way I
treat my clients - if they do not want to help themselves then why should I
help them?



I had a gentleman of 74 who believed he has been suffering from depression
since the mid 1960's - he has been waging this battle against depression for
40 years or more - I say believed because his doctor diagnosed his condition
and put him on antidepressants. He has had no psychiatric evaluation or
tests over these years just some pill pusher who failed to diagnose he was
suffering from the ups and downs of life - nothing more! He came to me
because he no longer wanted to put up with his depression and hoped that
hypnosis possessed the solution to his problem. The initial session was free
as I wanted to assess his condition and whether he would be suitable for
treatment. The second time I saw him we chatted about his past and life in
general and at the end of the session he announced he would come back for
his next appointment then would not come again. Being curious I enquired as
to his reason for this decision to which he informed me he wanted me to
hypnotise him.



I was overrunning on time and had no time to explain what had taken place on
the second session - he left the office, a couple of minutes later his
daughter came to see me, she had made the original appointment for him. I
was pleased to see her and explained that her father had an unrealistic
expectation of what hypnosis is, or can or cannot do. He wanted me to undo
in a 1 hour session what it had taken him 40 years or more to achieve. Yes,
I could have given him a post hypnotic suggestion that all was well in his
world and that he did not suffer depression or have fears or there was no
need to take tablets but the mind would have overcome this suggestion
eventually. When I saw him again he came in apologetic and proclaimed that
he had every confidence in me to help him overcome his problem. I explained
to him that on the last session although he did not have his eyes closed and
was not in a reclined position he had in fact been hypnotised - whatever
that is.



So, the reason I do not care if my clients come back is that they hold
unrealistic expectations as to how hypnosis will be used, or they really do
not want to change as there is some pay off of why they are holding on to
their malady - if not they will do anything to drop it. Lastly but most
importantly there has been a failure to create a good rapport with the
client and it is these three elements will impede any therapeutic process or
progress.



All the Best



Mel





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[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lank
Sent: 25 August 2007 19:45
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients




Carol,

> The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.

> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not. It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful. Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness. However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument. I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

Best wishes

Mike





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To add my tuppence worth...I agree with all that Mike said. I found
your argument agressive in tone and generalising; both unhelpful.

There has been good, reasoned debate on this topic; let's keep it
that way.

Duncan

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Lank"
<mike_lank@...> wrote:
>
>
> Carol,
>
> >  The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this
level of
> hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead
work on
> yourself.
>
> It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours
that is
> requesting 'compassion and kindness'.
>
>
> > Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep
your
> responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to
all beings
> including our planet.
>
> Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not
keep their
> responsibilities, or for more people keeping their
responsibilities?
>
> > Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.
>
> Some are some are not.  It is not usually the sensitivity and
fright that
> leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or
miss a
> session I would think it unfair to charge them.
>
> > You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all
which is
> why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.
>
> This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a
generalisation is
> unhelpful.  Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on
holiday the
> following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange,
so not
> about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd
made another
> commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to
rearrange.
> (I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)
>
> > And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or
make their
> appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them
>
> I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion
and
> kindness.  However charging someone for missing a session without
good cause
> is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.
>
> > Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.
>
> A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate
people who
> disagree with than attract them to your argument.  I would have
found it
> preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Mike
>

Hi All,

   Few months ago i put up a request regarding how hypnosis can help in job hunt.
I recveived many suggestions and i tried self hypnosis and i have a good job at
hand now.

   I am a software proffessional and i am interested in learning many software
languages like C, JAVA etc. While sufing internet i saw the word  "Accelerated
Learning. There are many vendors that sell accelerated learning hypnosis
sessions.

   I just have two questions

   1) Can accelerated learning or speed learning help me to understand and learn
new software technologies with ease and make me an expert( or may be proficient
) in coding.

   2) Can any one suggest me some good vendors or websites that sell accelerated
or speed learning hypnosis sessions. There are so many and i am totally confused
as to which on is good.

   Any kind of suggestions will be highly appreciated.

   Eagerly waiting for answers.

   Regards,
   David


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Carol,

>  The title says it all. If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

It is ironic that the most hostile post on this subject is yours that is
requesting 'compassion and kindness'.


> Since writing this I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

Is this an argument for everyone forgiving everyone who does not keep their
responsibilities, or for more people keeping their responsibilities?

> Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.

Some are some are not.  It is not usually the sensitivity and fright that
leads to them cancelling, if this is what causes them to cancel or miss a
session I would think it unfair to charge them.

> You probably aren't the right people to be helping them at all which is
why you are getting cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

This might be true in some cases, but to make this as a generalisation is
unhelpful.  Two cancellations I had this week: 'I'm going on holiday the
following day and haven't got time to come' (wanted to rearrange, so not
about me); second one, an hour before the session 'I forgot I'd made another
commitment', second appointment they had missed, also wanted to rearrange.
(I'm not charging either of them for the missed sessions!)

> And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay or make their
appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them

I would hope that therapists do think about clients with compassion and
kindness.  However charging someone for missing a session without good cause
is neither unkind nor lacking in compassion as you imply.

> Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

A hostile, negative statement that is more likely to irritate people who
disagree with than attract them to your argument.  I would have found it
preferable if you had invited people to reconsider their position.

Best wishes

Mike

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, carol gent
<gentleturtle33@...> wrote:

>   The title says it all.  If you are still able to generate this
level of hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could
instead work on yourself.

First, let me say that I have already made a similar point, the
question could have been framed in a more neutral way.

[...]

>   Also how ridiculous it would be to cancel our M.O.T. appointment at
the garage and be charged for repairs that were never made.

However, I disagree with your conclusions.  I have been involved with
therapy at many levels, in different contexts, for about 15 years.
I've managed and supervised many other therapists.  Experience shows
that it is fairly clear therapists suffer by failing to be business-
like enough about their work, especially financial matters.  It's well-
known that only about 20% of people who train to be therapists usually
succeed in making a career out of it.  This is usually because they
lack the business skills to own and manage their own practice.

Your analogy is false.  The client in question did not cancel her
appointment, she failed to turn up.  The difference is that a garage
can easily work on another job but a normal therapy practice does not
have that luxury.  Session time is usually booked on a time-slot
basis.  If a client doesn't turn up a therapist is usually left
twiddling their fingers or reading for an hour.  They cannot normally
undertake paid work in that time so have lost £100 income or so.

A better analogy would be if you booked a hotel room and didn't turn
up.  The hotel would be entitled to charge you if they couldn't fill
the room with another guest.  If you had cancelled far enough in
advance, they could have offered the room to another person.

Another analogy would be if you called out a plumber and weren't there
to let him into your house.  He would be entitled to charge you a call
out fee to cover his wasted time and loss of income.

Your imputation that the therapist brings this on themselves is
unjust.  I have worked with many excellent and well-intentioned
therapists over the years who have clients periodically fail to attend
appointments.  This is mainly down to a lack of clarity over the
contract, the type of clients and problem treated, and the failure to
charge in advance, etc., rather than some esoteric quality they possess.

It's a shame to see good therapists suffer financially, and even go out
of business, because they lack the business sense to manage the
finances of their practice well enough to turn a comfortable profit.

Best,

Don

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Gunn"
<duncan@...> wrote:
>
> Don,
> If the therapist has set up a debit/credit card system, or there is
> enough time to take a cheque between phone call and appointment, do
> you think the therapist could take payment when the appointment is
> being made by the client?

Yes, of course, that's what we having been doing for years.  I
mentioned that briefly in my last email.  I usually take advance
payment by card over the telephone for the first appointment, then post
the client a confirmation letter with the date, time, address,
directions, and cancellation policy, etc.  I don't usually bother
asking for payment in advance for subsequent sessions, but let clients
pay when they arrive.  I've found that the most business-like way to
handle bookings over the years.


Best,

Don

I sent a message to the wrong address a few days ago about this.

   The title says it all.  If you are still able to generate this level of
hostility then you shouldn't be practicing at all and could instead work on
yourself.

   Since writing this  I wondered how many of you have failed to keep your
responsibilities throughout your lives to not only humans, but to all beings
including our planet.

   Also how ridiculous it would be to cancel our M.O.T. appointment at the garage
and be charged for repairs that were never made.

   Yes a garage has premises, yes they used electricity to make themselves a cup
of tea - but they use that time of missed appointments to do other things.  I
would suggest some deep breathing.

   Clients are somewhat already sensitive and frightened.  You probably aren't
the right people to be helping them at all which is why you are getting
cancelled cheques and missed appointments.

   The right people feel calm on their journey to the right therapist, they want
to go, they do not forget it, nothing else gets in the way.

   I have heard of  responsible people who always keep their appointments not
turn up for energy work.  Sometimes it is even that the practitioner does energy
work beforehand and for reasons our higher selves knows renders it impossible
for them to then get there, energetically. - But then come the logical excuses
to explain it away.

   Whilst you try to parallel this sort of work with "an exchange of services" it
is not clear cut.  And in future I would hope that any client that does not pay
or make their appointment, compassion and kindness is thought about them- maybe
you could hypnotise yourselves.

   Otherwise I would suggest you find work in a supermarket.

   Love and Light, Carol.




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Don,

If the therapist has set up a debit/credit card system, or there is
enough time to take a cheque between phone call and appointment, do
you think the therapist could take payment when the appointment is
being made by the client? This could show that the client means
business and so encourages them to turn up (as well as giving the
therapist a good opportunity to tell the client how well they've done
in taking the first step to recovery/treatment) and ensures the
therapist is paid if there is a no-show.

Duncan

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Robertson"
<HypnoSynthesisUK@...> wrote:
>
> This is a useful discussion.  A few observations...
>
> 1.  A lot of the grey areas implied in many of the responses would
be
> cleared up by having a very explicit contract, which is obviously
> clearer if put in writing.
>
> 2.  Whether a therapist actually sues for non-payment would vary on
a
> case by case basis.  Obviously a rich client who simply acts with
> disregard for the therapist would be different from a poor person
who
> made a genuine mistake and would be very distressed at the incident.
>
> 3.  However, the therapist should (as we teach on our course) make
an
> explicit contract with every client in which cancellation fees and
> other terms are unambiguously agreed.  These should be weighted
> slightly in the therapists favour to allow them scope to waive them
> under exceptional circumstances by charging less, or nothing at
all,
> etc.  However, if you were to say, "I charge a cancellation fee
> unless you are ill", you will probably just find that everyone who
> forgets an appt. claims to be ill to avoid the fee.
>
> 4.  Therapists make on average, in the UK, less than most middle
> level managers.  There is no doubt that statistically most are paid
a
> very small wage for their level of training, etc.  If a client
misses
> an appt. the therapist loses an hours income because they are left
> tapping their fingers when they could have booked another client in
> if they had received enough notice.  They may also be charged a
> substantial room hire fee from their clinic, not to mention the
loss
> of preparation time for the session, admin., and travel expenses.
If
> someone books a hotel room or hires a plumber, and forgets to be
> there, few people would dispute that they should pay a suitable
> cancellation fee.
>
> 5.  If a client is genuinely ill or misses an appt. for a
legitimate
> reason I would normally, in fact, waive the fee or charge less to
> cover my overheads (which might be half the total fee in some
cases.)
>
> 6.  It is true that a verbal contract is binding in UK law but
having
> been in business for enough years to have been involved in disputes
> with several clients and other businesses I think it is obviously
> better to also have something in writing because the other party
has
> less scope to dispute your words then and problems are less likely
to
> arise in the first place.  I don't think it's necessary or
worthwhile
> to have this signed (at the other end of the scale) but if you want
> to do this it wouldn't do any harm (except perhaps make some
clients
> a little concerned or defensive).
>
> Basically, the terms need to be crystal clear at the outset, so
that
> the client cannot claim ignorance of your cancellation policy.
Ours
> is actually written at the top of the contract in bold italics and
> prefaced "NB:"  It is read out to the client verbally and their
> verbal consent acquired before proceeding.
>
> I once (acting generously) travelled for 90 minutes on a train into
> London especially to meet a new client who failed to attend their
> appt., waited for an hour because I couldn't reach them by phone,
> then spent 90 min. travelling home.  Effectively that wasted 4
hours
> of time and cost me about £30 in travel and room hire expenses.
>
> Experiences like that taught me it's best to obtain payment in
> advance from new clients and provide written confirmation of the
> appt. time and cancellation policy.  I've worked with or supervised
> enough therapists over the years to realise that this is an
extremely
> common (and stressful) problem for new therapists.  I also used to
> manage a therapy clinic in Wimbledon so listened to the therapists
> all complaining when their clients didn't turn up but we insisted
on
> charging them for the room hire anyway!
>
> Best,
>
> Don
>

This is a useful discussion.  A few observations...

1.  A lot of the grey areas implied in many of the responses would be
cleared up by having a very explicit contract, which is obviously
clearer if put in writing.

2.  Whether a therapist actually sues for non-payment would vary on a
case by case basis.  Obviously a rich client who simply acts with
disregard for the therapist would be different from a poor person who
made a genuine mistake and would be very distressed at the incident.

3.  However, the therapist should (as we teach on our course) make an
explicit contract with every client in which cancellation fees and
other terms are unambiguously agreed.  These should be weighted
slightly in the therapists favour to allow them scope to waive them
under exceptional circumstances by charging less, or nothing at all,
etc.  However, if you were to say, "I charge a cancellation fee
unless you are ill", you will probably just find that everyone who
forgets an appt. claims to be ill to avoid the fee.

4.  Therapists make on average, in the UK, less than most middle
level managers.  There is no doubt that statistically most are paid a
very small wage for their level of training, etc.  If a client misses
an appt. the therapist loses an hours income because they are left
tapping their fingers when they could have booked another client in
if they had received enough notice.  They may also be charged a
substantial room hire fee from their clinic, not to mention the loss
of preparation time for the session, admin., and travel expenses.  If
someone books a hotel room or hires a plumber, and forgets to be
there, few people would dispute that they should pay a suitable
cancellation fee.

5.  If a client is genuinely ill or misses an appt. for a legitimate
reason I would normally, in fact, waive the fee or charge less to
cover my overheads (which might be half the total fee in some cases.)

6.  It is true that a verbal contract is binding in UK law but having
been in business for enough years to have been involved in disputes
with several clients and other businesses I think it is obviously
better to also have something in writing because the other party has
less scope to dispute your words then and problems are less likely to
arise in the first place.  I don't think it's necessary or worthwhile
to have this signed (at the other end of the scale) but if you want
to do this it wouldn't do any harm (except perhaps make some clients
a little concerned or defensive).

Basically, the terms need to be crystal clear at the outset, so that
the client cannot claim ignorance of your cancellation policy.  Ours
is actually written at the top of the contract in bold italics and
prefaced "NB:"  It is read out to the client verbally and their
verbal consent acquired before proceeding.

I once (acting generously) travelled for 90 minutes on a train into
London especially to meet a new client who failed to attend their
appt., waited for an hour because I couldn't reach them by phone,
then spent 90 min. travelling home.  Effectively that wasted 4 hours
of time and cost me about £30 in travel and room hire expenses.

Experiences like that taught me it's best to obtain payment in
advance from new clients and provide written confirmation of the
appt. time and cancellation policy.  I've worked with or supervised
enough therapists over the years to realise that this is an extremely
common (and stressful) problem for new therapists.  I also used to
manage a therapy clinic in Wimbledon so listened to the therapists
all complaining when their clients didn't turn up but we insisted on
charging them for the room hire anyway!

Best,

Don

In my opinion, there are two very different subjects being discussed here.



Certainly, there are those who - due the problems they wish to have treated
- are unable to attend, but in my experience they will either cancel the
appointment or ring/email within the following couple of days to apologise
and/or explain, and often to rebook.



Yes, of course it's irritating - my time as well as my income being
affected; particularly when they cancel literally minutes before they're
due.  These people I have never chased for payments.



But there are the other people who simply change their minds and just don't
bother to let you know.  These are the ones I do send an invoice to.  Not
only are they mucking me about, but more importantly, they have prevented
some other person from being able to have that appointment.



Life is full of strange coincidences.  When I read the first post on this
matter on the egroup, I was not going to reply as it has been such a very
long time since either of the above situations had occurred.  But then, life
did what life does..



Not only did my 10am appointment fail to turn up, but then the postman
arrived with a letter from my bank and I find that she had actually stopped
her cheque for last week's session too!



This is partly my own fault - I take cheques so very rarely these days (most
people pay by credit/debit card) that I trustingly accepted the cheque
without the benefit of the guarantee card.  Lesson learnt!



So yes, I shall be invoicing her for the missed session today, the stopped
cheque and for the bank charges this has incurred.



My gratitude to Michael Lank for the Moneyclaim website info he posted.



Helen.



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Like Mike, most of the hypnotherapists he knows are not well, nor do they
charge extorionate fees. As for Keith's image of a greedy therapist chasing a
poor old 60-year-old for her fee, it is way of the mark. I'm a 60+ therapist who
was considering invoicing a very well off 30 year old for failing to keep an
appointment. True, she may have been unwell, sadly she may have suffered a panic
attack, but a telephone call later would have cost her very little.

   Anne


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Keith,



I think there are two separate issues involved.  Firstly the legal position,
a therapist is entitled to the money if a client does not make an
appointment.  Secondly the values/morals of the hypnotherapist in deciding
whether or not to pursue the money owed, and that will vary from person to
person.



Personally I have never yet charged someone who has not shown up for an
appointment, although I have been thinking about it.



Every time someone does not show up for an appointment I still have to pay
the rental for the room, pay for travel and suffer the loss of revenue from
that booking.  Either I charge people who do not show up without good cause,
or I charge more for those who do honour their obligation.  The latter
option seems unfair to me.



Most of the hypnotherapists I know are not that well off, it may seem like a
‘high fee’, but once they have paid for their outgoings such as  rent and
marketing, taken into account lack of income during holidays and sickness,
and times when work is quiet the income is not that high.  Most of the
hypnotherapists I know also do other things such as training and consultancy
work, taxi driving etc!



My own income is substantially less than when I was working for local
government, which is not known for being a high payer!













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From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Bacon
Sent: 21 August 2007 13:30
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients



On 20/08/07, Michael Lank <mike_lank@hotmail.
<mailto:mike_lank%40hotmail.com> com> wrote:
  > ...Whether or not the person chooses to turn up for the session
  > (whatever the reason) the agreed price is due, and if they fail to pay
could
  > be sued for breach of contract. This is now made much easier with the
  > online Moneyclaim service https://www.
<https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp>
moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

I get this image of the well off high fee charging hypnotherapist
pursuing a person for 60+ quid because he was too depressed, ill,
useless, lazy or whatever to keep his appointment.

Keith,



I think there are two separate issues involved.  Firstly the legal position,
a therapist is entitled to the money if a client does not make an
appointment.  Secondly the values/morals of the hypnotherapist in deciding
whether or not to pursue the money owed, and that will vary from person to
person.



Personally I have never yet charged someone who has not shown up for an
appointment, although I have been thinking about it.



Every time someone does not show up for an appointment I still have to pay
the rental for the room, pay for travel and suffer the loss of revenue from
that booking.  Either I charge people who do not show up without good cause,
or I charge more for those who do honour their obligation.  The latter
option seems unfair to me.



Most of the hypnotherapists I know are not that well off, it may seem like a
‘high fee’, but once they have paid for their outgoings such as  rent and
marketing, taken into account lack of income during holidays and sickness,
and times when work is quiet the income is not that high.  Most of the
hypnotherapists I know also do other things such as training and consultancy
work, taxi driving etc!



My own income is substantially less than when I was working for local
government, which is not known for being a high payer!













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From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Bacon
Sent: 21 August 2007 13:30
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients



On 20/08/07, Michael Lank <mike_lank@hotmail.
<mailto:mike_lank%40hotmail.com> com> wrote:
> ...Whether or not the person chooses to turn up for the session
> (whatever the reason) the agreed price is due, and if they fail to pay
could
> be sued for breach of contract. This is now made much easier with the
> online Moneyclaim service https://www.
<https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp>
moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

I get this image of the well off high fee charging hypnotherapist
pursuing a person for 60+ quid because he was too depressed, ill,
useless, lazy or whatever to keep his appointment.





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On 20/08/07, Michael Lank <mike_lank@...> wrote:
>  ...Whether or not the person chooses to turn up for the session
>  (whatever the reason) the agreed price is due, and if they fail to pay could
>  be sued for breach of contract.  This is now made much easier with the
>  online Moneyclaim service https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

I get this image of the well off high fee charging hypnotherapist
pursuing a person for 60+ quid because he was too depressed, ill,
useless,  lazy or whatever to keep his appointment.

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Where somebody books a session and a price is agreed then an oral contract
is formed.   Whether or not the person chooses to turn up for the session
(whatever the reason) the agreed price is due, and if they fail to pay could
be sued for breach of contract.  This is now made much easier with the
online Moneyclaim service https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp
Having a written contract makes no difference, other than the terms of the
contract may be clearer if there is a dispute.







Michael Lank



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From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donald
Robertson
Sent: 20 August 2007 11:42
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKhypno] Re: Inconsiderate would-be clients



--- In hypnosis-hypnothera
<mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK%40yahoogroups.com> py-UK@yahoogroups.com,
"Anne Edwards"
<annie@...> wrote:

> My point is, would I now be justified in sending the non-
arriving, non-cancelling client a bill for the time wasted, the venue
booking, travelling expenses and inconvenience?

First of all, with respect, you're mind-reading your own client. For
all you know she was hit by a bus, or had another attack and was too
shaken to call, etc., etc. You're probably right that she changed
her mind but there's no point getting annoyed about it anyway, and
you can't know for certain what happened.

The professional thing to do would be to send her a bill for your
time and expenses. Of course, that might raise problems unless you
have already specified a cancellation policy. I'm guessing from your
email that you might not have that covered, in which case you should
probably just learn from the experience and provide clients with a
more formal contract in future. Even if it were a short notice
appt., I would normally email the client a confirmation with my terms
and contractual details, etc.

You have as much right to be paid as a plumber who is called out
unecessarily or any other tradesman or professional.

Your training course should have provided you with some information
on contractual matters. We give all of our students a sample
document.

Regards,

Don Robertson





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Dear Anne,

I am practicing in Paris and this is all ways a problem with some people
over here too..

Now, I think panic attack is somehow the only symptom I find some excuses
to..

Some panic attacks are so violent that one could not even make it to the
therapist, not even call..just wait..and of course by the time the panic is
over it is too late to apologize..

What I do in such a case is always giving a call later on and ask for the
fee..

And guess what, 99% are willing to pay!



The best to you!





hipnose



Daniel GOLDSCHMIDT

Hypnologue,Sophrologue,Psychanalyste

Diplômé de l'Université Paris VIII en Psychologie Clinique

  <http://www.hypnosetherapie.fr/> www.hypnosetherapie.fr











De : hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Anne Edwards
Envoyé : mardi 14 août 2007 17:45
À : hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [UKhypno] Inconsiderate would-be clients



Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy UK: Hypnotism
This afternoon I undertook a 20-minute (each way) journey to accommodate a
client asking for an 'urgent' appointment because she was having panic
attacks about a forthcoming flight. I then waited... and waited... and
waited. I tried her mobile when she was 15 minutes late wondering (kindly)
if she was having problems reaching me. I got the answering service after
half a dozen rings, and left a pleasant-enough message. Out of interest I
phoned again ten minutes later and immediately got the answering service -
no ringing, so I know she received my original message. I know this
situation is not uncommon, most if not all of us have this experience, but
why, why, why no courtesy of a telephone call to cancel?

My point is, would I now be justified in sending the non-arriving,
non-cancelling client a bill for the time wasted, the venue booking,
travelling expenses and inconvenience?

I can understand people becoming nervous about hypnotherapy if they've not
experienced it before, panicking even if they're that way inclined, but I
can not understand the utter rudeness and lack of consideration shown by
people making an appointment and then simply not keeping it - or even
politely cancelling it.

Unusually irritated Anne

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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Anne Edwards"
<annie@...> wrote:

>   My point is, would I now be justified in sending the non-
arriving, non-cancelling client a bill for the time wasted, the venue
booking,  travelling expenses and inconvenience?

First of all, with respect, you're mind-reading your own client.  For
all you know she was hit by a bus, or had another attack and was too
shaken to call, etc., etc.  You're probably right that she changed
her mind but there's no point getting annoyed about it anyway, and
you can't know for certain what happened.

The professional thing to do would be to send her a bill for your
time and expenses.  Of course, that might raise problems unless you
have already specified a cancellation policy.  I'm guessing from your
email that you might not have that covered, in which case you should
probably just learn from the experience and provide clients with a
more formal contract in future.  Even if it were a short notice
appt., I would normally email the client a confirmation with my terms
and contractual details, etc.

You have as much right to be paid as a plumber who is called out
unecessarily or any other tradesman or professional.

Your training course should have provided you with some information
on contractual matters.  We give all of our students a sample
document.

Regards,

Don Robertson

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bacon"
<KeithBacon7@...> wrote:
> Hello Donald,
> Do you feel there is evidence to back up this claim?
> I'd be interested in opinions on this too.
> I have read bit about regression therapies. I suspect just doing
> regression doesn't seem to permanently release the trauma regressed
> to. Maybe it does partially.

I think the research literature suggests that regression therapy is
usually more effective than post-hypnotic suggestion alone.  That's
almost inevitable.  The real comparison would be whether regression
hypnotherapy was any more effective than cognitive-behavioural
hypnotherapy or other more psychotherapeutic models of hypnotherapy.  I
think it's more likely that CBH is more effective, based on a review of
the current research.

Don

try not going to the photo copier at the same time as her, that may help!

regards

An amused reader!


To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@...: dwchippy@...: Tue,
7 Aug 2007 08:00:33 +0000Subject: [UKhypno] Can hypnosis/hypnotherapy help me
lose interest in someone?




Good afternoon all.I am having some personal trouble at work. There is a girl in
my office who has really caught my attention, I think because she reminds me of
my Wife.I first noticed her some months ago, though never thought anything more
than that she was quite attractive.In the last week, however, I have noticed
that I am thinking about her a lot more. The only way I can describe it is that
I have a crush on her - I thought I left those behind when I left school. I have
only spoken a few sentences to this girl whilst at the photocopier, nothing
more. I also have no reason to speak to her professionally or
personally.Ideally, I'd like to get this girl completely out of my head. I am
feeling a incredible amount of guilt and I am sure it is affecting my
relationship with my Wife.Can hypnosis help me?Thanks for reading,DW


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