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#11457 From: "Atwood Institute" <bfhowell@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2007 2:37 pm
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Pardon my ignorance But what is CBT
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At the risk of causing some conflict, I will tell you it is "Cognitive
behavioral therapy."  That boils down to "Do anything that works."  It is,
presumably, the newest (though the term has been around for some time now)
buzz phrase in mental health counseling.

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[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Bigg
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 2:58 PM
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKhypno] Pardon my ignorance But what is CBT


Could someone please Tell me what is CBT. so many abbreviations used on this
site
people really should (parenthesise the meaning in the middle) NLP (neuro
linguistic
programing) EFT (Emotional Freedom Therapy)

Please what is CBT? APHA there's one anyone know that? Advance -Practitioner
Hypnosis
something or other lol

Best wishes Hypno mainia32/catherine_bigg32d, Add me to your yahoo IM
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#11456 From: "Catherine Bigg" <catherine_bigg1d@...>
Date: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:57 pm
Subject: Pardon my ignorance But what is CBT
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Could someone please Tell me what is CBT. so many abbreviations used on this
site
people really should (parenthesise the meaning in the middle) NLP (neuro
linguistic
programing) EFT (Emotional Freedom Therapy)

Please what is CBT? APHA there's one anyone know that? Advance -Practitioner
Hypnosis
something or other lol

Best wishes Hypno mainia32/catherine_bigg32d, Add me to your yahoo IM (instant
messaging)

#11455 From: "Frank Johnson" <hypnosis.frank@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] PTSD
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perhaps you might try EFT and deal with the issues as they come up, it has
been very good for dealing with PTSD and has worked for me many times.

In fact one of my clients was in the forces and had actually been in a very
similar scenario as he was fighting for his life and had no other recourse
than to kill.

He spent many years suffering as a result before he came to me, and now he
is ok with himself.



On 29/03/07, Debbie W <debbie.waller@...> wrote:
>
>   I've been approached by a chap suffering nightmares due (probably) to
> PTSD. Around 20 years ago he was a civilian backpacker accidentally
> caught up in a gueriila action in S America. He saw some nasty things,
> and believes he may have killed someone (in self defence) during this
> experience.
> The nightmares are like night terrors; he wakes his partner by
> screaming or shouting, then seems to be awake and will have a
> conversation with her. But in the morning he doesn't remember waking.
> He hoped it would go away for years, then has been to the GP, taken
> tablets, and tried CBT to no avail, so he's arriving on my doorstep to
> chat about this in the next few days.
> Has anyone any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Many thanks.
> Debbie
>
>
>


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#11454 From: "Ronald" <cobden@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] PTSD
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Hi Debbie,

I would have no hesitation in using Ernest Rossi's
Magic Moving Hands Hypnosis, following Erickson.
If you would like a summary, please e-mail me off list.
Ron Banks
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   From: Debbie W
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:04 PM
   Subject: [UKhypno] PTSD


   I've been approached by a chap suffering nightmares due (probably) to
   PTSD. Around 20 years ago he was a civilian backpacker accidentally
   caught up in a gueriila action in S America. He saw some nasty things,
   and believes he may have killed someone (in self defence) during this
   experience.
   The nightmares are like night terrors; he wakes his partner by
   screaming or shouting, then seems to be awake and will have a
   conversation with her. But in the morning he doesn't remember waking.
   He hoped it would go away for years, then has been to the GP, taken
   tablets, and tried CBT to no avail, so he's arriving on my doorstep to
   chat about this in the next few days.
   Has anyone any thoughts or suggestions?

   Many thanks.
   Debbie





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#11453 From: "Debbie W" <debbie.waller@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:04 pm
Subject: PTSD
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I've been approached by a chap suffering nightmares due (probably) to
PTSD. Around 20 years ago he was a civilian backpacker accidentally
caught up in a gueriila action in S America. He saw some nasty things,
and believes he may have killed someone (in self defence) during this
experience.
The nightmares are like night terrors; he wakes his partner by
screaming or shouting, then seems to be awake and will have a
conversation with her. But in the morning he doesn't remember waking.
He hoped it would go away for years, then has been to the GP, taken
tablets, and tried CBT to no avail, so he's arriving on my doorstep to
chat about this in the next few days.
Has anyone any thoughts or suggestions?

Many thanks.
Debbie

#11452 From: "Ben" <hypnoben19@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:19 am
Subject: Fw: NLP evening in London, talk and social
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Forwarded from www.nlpconnections.com:

An evening with Eric Robbie
Tuesday 3rd April 2007 - London

Eric Robbie was the first master practitioner in Britain and he has
spent more than twenty years learning, developing and teaching NLP
around the world.

At this very special evening event, Eric will be demonstrating the
submodality eye accessing cues he has developed. These techniques
allow you to `see' the pictures that other people imagine and `hear'
their internal dialogue.

Prepare to be amazed as this will be demonstrated to you personally.

Eric doesn't need to ask the standard NLP questions like `how big is
the picture?', `is it bright or dark?' or `does it have a border?'
because he already knows. Think of a colour and Eric can tell you what
it is -- instantly. Say something to yourself and he can tell you the
tone, the tempo and even the words you said.

What if you could read someone's mind just by watching their face?

Eric will also be talking about his years on the road with Richard
Bandler, developing and teaching the first trainers' training programs
together, and how NLP has evolved over the years. He'll talk about his
role in creating DHE, `The New Meta Model' and his new book
(co-authored with Bandler).

There will be time for some questions and answers at the end.

Meet 7pm for a 7:30 start, Tuesday 3rd April 2007
Room J, Regents College, Inner Circle, Regents Park, London NW1 4NS

Cost: £25 in advance; (£30 on the door, if spaces are still available).

http://www.nlpconnections.com/site-announcements/1899-evening-eric-robbie-nlp-co\
nnections-event.html

#11451 From: "Donald Robertson" <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:00 am
Subject: Re: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Lou Lebentz"
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> Again for the record, I am sure that research also states that
whether the therapy is CBT or NLP or Codswallop therapy blah dey blah,
the deciding factor on whether therapy has been successful or not is
the relationship the client believes they have with the therapist.
Whether they have engaged or not and rapport has been built or not. The
type of therapy used means absolutely nothing!

Hi Lou,

I'm surprised that you don't think the therapy techniques or concepts
matter at all.  Surely that invalidates most of the training you are
undertaking?  If technique is totally irrelevant we should all be doing
Rogerian counselling and focusing purely on the human qualities of the
relationship and other extrinsic factors, shouldn't we?

Also, you seem to assume that there is no research to back the
superiority of one technique over another.  There is a huge industry of
highly sophisticated research in the psychotherapy field.  Until the
1980s it was common to claim that all therapies were equally
effective.  This is called the "Dodo Bird Verdict" -stupid name, I
know, but that's what researchers call it.  It means that although
there are over 300 therapy modalities they are all equally effective.

However, in recent decades most research has converged on the finding
that CBT and other evidence-based treatments produce better results
than the "non-specific" factors in psychotherapy, i.e., the average.
NLP has not proven, though, that it is superior to non-specific
interventions.

If you want evidence, look at the American Psychological Association's
list of empirically validated treatments, which are virtually all forms
of CBT.  Alternatively, look at the NHS' NICE guidance on anxiety,
depression, etc., which predominantly recommend CBT as being the most
evidence-based treatment available.  These are probably the most
authoritative reviews of the research currently available.

The largest ever meta-analysis of comparative psychotherapy models was
conducted by Smith and Glass in 1980.  It reviewed all previously
published research on the efficacy of different types of psychotherapy,
475 studies in total referring to tens of thousands of patients.
Calculations of effect sizes clearly showed hypnotherapy, cognitive and
behavioural therapies to be superior to the average produced by non-
specific factors.

It has to be said that Smith et al. rejected their own finding because
of concerns over research designs, etc., but subsequent reviewers re-
instated their original finding.  Anyway, since the 1980s I think most
people will agree that the main lines of debate in psychotherapy
research were drawn across the question as to whether or not CBT (and
possibly hypnotherapy) were superior to other "non-specific"
psychotherapies or not.  The recent trend (as APA and the NHS show) has
been to conclude that they are superior.

I think some recent researchers would argue that the main issue is over
what we term "techical eclecticism", better called "evidence-based
eclecticism" versus theory-driven practice.  Studies that are designed
to utilise tailored packages of treatment based on what previous
research has indicated may be most effective have tended to produce the
best results.  That's like saying that therapy should be based upon
careful study of the evidence rather than upon what some guru or theory
speculates is best.  The trend toward evidence-based eclecticism is a
probably a sign that psychotherapy is finally beginning to become more
scientific in its approach.


Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

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#11450 From: "Lou Lebentz" <lou@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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I have only just joined this group but felt compelled to join in the
discussion on the various points made by members on the differences between
CBT and NLP.



Two points I would like to make initially are the following;



CBT doesn't profess to train people in 14 days to become proficient at using
their "therapeutic skills" on the general public.  (Good old NLP!!!)

CBT is evidence based, various research projects have proved that it is
effective and works, whereas NLP has as yet had no such research projects
and therefore cannot prove its efficacy.



I am an NLP psychotherapist (near the end of training) and I work very
closely with a CBT therapist, psychodynamic therapist, transpersonal
therapist and two intergrative therapists. I believe that every modality
works some of the time, each area and section including hypnosis has good
and bad therapists and some are well trained and efficient and others are
unskilled and sloppy.  It is not whether it works or not, no one therapy
works all the time on one client!



There is also with all respect, a great deal of difference between a person
who goes along for a standard NLP training and studies the subject for 7 or
14 days compared to a training with a UCKP Member Org and spending 4 years
studying NLP and related subjects in depth.



Again for the record, I am sure that research also states that whether the
therapy is CBT or NLP or Codswallop therapy blah dey blah,  the deciding
factor on whether therapy has been successful or not is the relationship the
client believes they have with the therapist.  Whether they have engaged or
not and rapport has been built or not. The type of therapy used means
absolutely nothing!



So if you would like to qualify your comments about how or why NLP doesn't
work please go ahead, I am all ears!!



Kindest Regards



Lou Lebentz









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#11449 From: "Donald Robertson" <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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Alan Crisp wrote:
> Hi Don and all,
> It annoys me quite a bit to see how many individuals and groups
keep naming and renaming what they claim is a newly discovered style
of therapy [...]

Yes, I think you are justified in feeling annoyance.  There are
identifiable problems caused by this "re-branding."  With respect to
NLPers, I have to say NLP is one of the worst offenders in this
respect.  Making up new names for existing methods has, very
obviously, led to increasing fragmentation in the therapy field.
This has several serious side-effects,

1.  Progress in one field is not shared by practitioners in another,
so techniques are used in ways that are potentially decades out of
date.
2.  Therapists from different schools do not attend each other's
conferences where they could potentially benefit from open debate and
shared ideas and experiences, despite using similar methods under
different names.
3.  Therapists publish research in different journals which should
probably be shared in the same publications.
4.  Therapists who want to learn a new approach often have to "start
again from scratch" despite having already learned and used
techniques under a different name.  This deters therapists from
undertaking training in different approaches.
5.  Contra-indications for one method are not applied to the same
technique under a different name.
6.  Professional standards and codes of ethics in one field are
totally different from others, despite concepts and techniques being
similar.

Basically, it leads to totally pointless and counter-productive
divisions between professionals who really should be picking each
other's brains and talking to each other more.

>> I too think we must bring  some scientific reason to the
profession if we are to have any credibility at  all.

Hypnotherapy has one of the very strongest evidence-bases of any
psychological therapy but is practised by some of the most
disorganised and unscientific (aka "dodgy") people in the whole field
of psychological therapy.  For example, The Which? Magazine survey
showed that more people want to complain about hypnotherapists than
any other type of therapy practitioner.  It really is a shame.  We
can only hope things start to improve now with increasing pressure
from the DoH to tighten up standards.


Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.HypnoSynthesis.com
Freephone 0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The
UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of
Learning Providers No.10008042

#11448 From: HypnoSynthesisUK@...
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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Hi Don and all,

It seems to me that to be any real use to clients presenting with a wide
range of issues one of the following must be available:

A practice with a team of therapist using different approaches, EGG: CB,
Psychoanalysis, Suggestion Therapy, Gestalt, Person Centred Counselling, a great
big dollop of placebo,etc, etc, etc, or:

A practice with one or more therapists offering a broad range of talk
therapies maybe Integrative and Eclectic Hypno-Psycho-Interventionism (just a
joke...probably).

It annoys me quite a bit to see how many individuals and groups keep naming
and renaming what they claim is a newly discovered style of therapy, calling
it  neopsychoplacebotherapy (just in case this exists I did just make it up  I
think)and charging thousands to teach it to therapists who then swear that
this is the therapy that works...  Maybe to give a new approach a name is  OK
but to claim its the best thing since Socrates and that it is superior to  other
therapies is taking it a bit far.  I too think we must bring  some scientific
reason to the profession if we are to have any credibility at  all.  Perhaps
everything should be called placebo therapy...but soon  someone would invent
(or claim to invent) higher placebo therapy or advanced and  super placebo
therapy...wouldn't they.  By the way I say all this in a  spirit of genuine
humour
with a serious tinge just in case Any one  is getting upset.


Interesting thread though?  Lets stay cool and discuss it eh???

Alan

Donald Robertson <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>  wrote:




--- In _hypnosis-hypnotherahypnosis-hypnothhypno_
(mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com) ,  Norman Munro
<norman@...> wrote:
> CBT works!

Nice one.  That's what I said, but put more bluntly. One of the
biggest obstacles  (ironically) to educating therapists about efficacy
research is overcoming  their all-or-nothing thinking, though. It
causes confusion to talk about  whether NLP "works" or not. The real
question is not whether its success  rate is 0% or 100%, for instance,
but whether it outperforms waiting list  controls, placebo
interventions, non-specific features of treatment, or  other "benchmark"
therapies in head-to-head trials.

The problem for  psychotherapies is that, as we've known since the
1980s, most different  forms of psychotherapy seem to achieve (crudely)
50-60% (or sometimes  more) success rates, at least short-term. This
appears to be due to  "non-specific" factors, i.e., other than specific
technique or theory.

In other words, if we say "it doesn't work", therapists using any
technique under the sun can always reply "yes it does, 60% of my
clients get better!" It's better to say, "How do you know you wouldn't
have the same, or a much better, success rate if you used an  evidence-
based approach?"

This silly verbal confusion and  all-or-nothing thinking currently dogs
our field. One day it will all be  resolved, I hope. When it is,
thousands of people will have access to more  effective therapies that
will hopefully bring them a more reliable source  of relief from their
symptoms.

Yours Sincerely,

Donald  Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist  (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register  of Psychotherapists (ERP)

HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of  Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.HypnoSynthesis.www
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International +44(0)2086610492

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#11447 From: "Donald Robertson" <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:31 am
Subject: Re: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Norman Munro
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> CBT works!

Nice one.  That's what I said, but put more bluntly.  One of the
biggest obstacles (ironically) to educating therapists about efficacy
research is overcoming their all-or-nothing thinking, though.  It
causes confusion to talk about whether NLP "works" or not.  The real
question is not whether its success rate is 0% or 100%, for instance,
but whether it outperforms waiting list controls, placebo
interventions, non-specific features of treatment, or other "benchmark"
therapies in head-to-head trials.

The problem for psychotherapies is that, as we've known since the
1980s, most different forms of psychotherapy seem to achieve (crudely)
50-60% (or sometimes more) success rates, at least short-term.  This
appears to be due to "non-specific" factors, i.e., other than specific
technique or theory.

In other words, if we say "it doesn't work", therapists using any
technique under the sun can always reply "yes it does, 60% of my
clients get better!"  It's better to say, "How do you know you wouldn't
have the same, or a much better, success rate if you used an evidence-
based approach?"

This silly verbal confusion and all-or-nothing thinking currently dogs
our field.  One day it will all be resolved, I hope.  When it is,
thousands of people will have access to more effective therapies that
will hopefully bring them a more reliable source of relief from their
symptoms.


Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
www.HypnoSynthesis.com
Freephone 0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis® is the registered trademark and trading name of The UK
College of Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Ltd.
Registered in England as Company No. 05499462, UK Register of Learning
Providers No.10008042

#11446 From: Norman Munro <norman@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:18 am
Subject: The difference between CBT and NLP?
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CBT works!

#11445 From: jo foggin <jjsreal123@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:38 pm
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Re:Differences NLP and CBT?
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I have to say that I do not usually interject in others opinions but I feel that
I must make comment on the last two posts made by Ms Scully. Having been a
councillor for over 20yrs and now a hypnotherapist there appear to be some
potentially serious mistakes in her thinking.
   Firstly and most importantly are the assumptions she and her client appear to
have made. To label a young girl as potentially abused because she looked
uncomfortable (the topic is in itself an uncomfortable one for anyone at any
age) is irresponsible and wide of the mark. To then go on to labelling a young
male as a potential abuser because of his attitude when there are a range of
reasons for this is also irresponsible. To go into a subject such as this does
take time although the lady in question was definitely not getting the help she
needed if she was seeing a councillor for 10yrs which is why I now practise
hypnotherapy.
   As to the post about losing weight I have to ask the following, while we may
generally talk about basic nutrition I find it curios that a client should a)
eat what they want except sugar or sugar subs for a week (why?) b)ask them to
weigh themselves every day! and by doing so determine what foods agree with them
and which do not - why exactly? - this behaviour only serves to make the client
even more centred on there weight (problem) c) teach them how to take 'sneaky'
exercise! unless I am mistaken 'sneaky' implies something someone should not be
doing and therefore will not become part of normal behaviour.
   I have to admit that I have no background in alternative therapies although I
have always kept an open mind, my approach has come from long experience of
working with people and discovering the best possible action for those who ask
for my help, I have always used common, down to earth sense.

Gillian Scully <gillian@...> wrote:
           That is an interesting question and I have not thought of it before
now so I
will guess at.

CBT - relive - relive - relive past negative events or issues until they are
no longer a problem? Feedback from clients they said it was very hard for
them.

NLP - change the way you think of the past so that it seems less harsh.

Eg. I had a young woman to see me who had been sexually abused. She also
told me that she had to teach a class of students about 'Sexual Abuse'. She
found it hard but managed it. I am delighted for her as we had only one
session together before this. I said she was the perfect person to do this
as she had lived the experience and so could have more empathy. She said
that she noticed there was one girl in the class who looked very
uncomfortable (we thought it might be possible that she had been abused) and
a guy who was on the side of the Abuser (a possibility that he might have
tendencies).

So the upshot was she realised she had more value. By the way she has had
counselling for 10 years. I did happen to mention that I would be saving her
a huge amount of money as I very much doubted she would be going to
counselling for the next ten. In fact I think perhaps 2/3 sessions would be
enough? She looked surprised so I suggested 'Have more fun?'

There was some other issues and I suggested that perhaps now was the time to
leave them in the past but learn from the experience.

Result I hope as she is a lovely lady.

Best Wishes

Gilli

"Emotional problems solved using techniques that are painless & drug free"
Call me NOW!'

Gillian Scully EPS, GQHP, NLP (Master), TFTdx

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#11444 From: "Donald Robertson" <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:12 pm
Subject: Re:Differences NLP and CBT?
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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Scully"
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> That is an interesting question and I have not thought of it before
now so I will guess at.
> CBT - relive - relive - relive past negative events or issues until
they are no longer a problem? Feedback from clients they said it was
very hard for them.

Wooooaaah!  I have to interject here.  That is so far wide of the
mark that I'm gobsmacked!  CBT, as a quick search of the net will
tell you, is probably the therapeutic approach which places most
emphasis upon the "here and now" as opposed to "reliving" past
events.  I think you are (somehow!) mixing up CBT with psychodynamic
counselling -two utterly different therapies, usually considered to
be poles apart in their orientation and technique.

The key difference from NLP, in most people's minds, would be that
CBT is an evidence-based therapy whereas NLP is a highly
controversial approach based purely on anecdotal claims.  NLP is
criticised by many researchers for its failure to demonstrate these
claims empirically.  A review of research on NLP by Michael Heap
showed that only about 13% out of 44 different research studies on it
were supportive of its claims.  Again, a quick check on, e.g.,
Wikipedia should verify this.

> NLP - change the way you think of the past so that it seems less
harsh.

That description would fit both NLP and CBT.



Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

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#11443 From: "Gillian Scully" <gillian@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:02 pm
Subject: Re:Differences NLP and CBT?
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That is an interesting question and I have not thought of it before now so I
will guess at.



CBT - relive - relive - relive past negative events or issues until they are
no longer a problem? Feedback from clients they said it was very hard for
them.



NLP - change the way you think of the past so that it seems less harsh.



Eg. I had a young woman to see me who had been sexually abused. She also
told me that she had to teach a class of students about 'Sexual Abuse'. She
found it hard but managed it. I am delighted for her as we had only one
session together before this. I said she was the perfect person to do this
as she had lived the experience and so could have more empathy. She said
that she noticed there was one girl in the class who looked very
uncomfortable (we thought it might be possible that she had been abused) and
a guy who was on the side of the Abuser (a possibility that he might have
tendencies).



So the upshot was she realised she had more value. By the way she has had
counselling for 10 years. I did happen to mention that I would be saving her
a huge amount of money as I very much doubted she would be going to
counselling for the next ten. In fact I think perhaps 2/3 sessions would be
enough? She looked surprised so I suggested 'Have more fun?'



There was some other issues and I suggested that perhaps now was the time to
leave them in the past but learn from the experience.



Result I hope as she is a lovely lady.



Best Wishes

Gilli



"Emotional problems solved using techniques that are painless & drug free"
Call me NOW!'





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Freephone: 0800-731-8316 (Clients Only)

Mobile No: +4477069-12277

Website: www.thoughtfields.co.uk

Email: gillian@...

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#11442 From: "Gillian Scully" <gillian@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:49 pm
Subject: Hypnotherapy and losing weight?
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Hi Pritam



Welcome to the group. When someone calls me about losing weight and
sometimes they mention that they are addicted to food or eat compulsively I
know that generally there are other problems within that and they could be:



Control - this happens with eating or not eating as in the case of bulimia
or anorexia.



Nature - they have as children been taught to eat everything on their plate
(this comes down from the parent and their parent eat everything that is put
in front of you - as in war times as you may not have it later)



Reward - I deserve this ..food..because I have done this etc.



I am finding I can deal with this in differing ways and it does depend on
the client in front of me.



I tell them they can eat whatever they like for the next week BUT stop all
sugar and sugar substitutes in any food or drink products.



I ask them to read all labels to see what is in the food they eat and decide
what they want to put in there mouth.



I tell them that they are going to have their body (hopefully) for a long
time so it makes sense to put the best of food in their mouth.



I explain about the quick fix from eating snack foods.



I ask them to weigh every day and then they can decide what agrees with
their body and what does not.



I talk about sneaky exercise - ways that they can exercise without thinking
about it.



I advise them to drink plenty of water.



I check what they are eating throughout the day and very often they are not
eating breakfast but eat a big meal before going to bed great energy but the
wrong part of the day to get it as then it is wasted! Very often I use an
example of a car and a long journey you fill the car with petrol before you
set off NOT when you get back.



So in the first session there is a lot of talk AND getting agreement and
understanding from them as what is going on in their head and body.



Also very important I tell them to forget dieting just eat healthy. Next
session I find what the problems were and work on them with hypnosis.



There is more but I am sure you will develop the ideas for yourself.



Best Wishes

Gilli



"Emotional problems solved using techniques that are painless & drug free"
Call me NOW!'





Gillian Scully EPS, GQHP, NLP (Master), TFTdx

thoughtfields

242 Cathedral Road, Cardiff, CF11 9JG

Freephone: 0800-731-8316 (Clients Only)

Mobile No: +4477069-12277

Website: www.thoughtfields.co.uk

Email: gillian@...

Accredited Trainer in TFT algorithm

NHS Provider No: 8WG01





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#11441 From: "Steve Roche" <steve.roche@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:26 am
Subject: Differences NLP and CBT?
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In what ways would you say that CBT differs from NLP?
Thanks,
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#11440 From: "priterm" <priterm@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:17 pm
Subject: Introduction
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I just joined the group. I am from Malaysia and became interested in
the field of hypnotism recently- as a way to lose weight. I hope to be
able to learn more through this forum. Thank you.

sincerely,
Pritam

#11439 From: hypnobeau@...
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Digest Number 1899
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Hello Lou:

What a shame hypnotherapy is not accepted where you work. Perhaps you could
lighten the impact of the "h" word by calling it guided imagery...

All best,

Michelle Beaudry
NBH Board Certified Hypnotist
Beaudry Hypnosis
455 Douglas Ave, Suite 2155-12
Altamonte Springs  FL  32714
407 862-9144

www.beaudryhypnosis.com

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#11438 From: HypnoSynthesisUK@...
Date: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:17 pm
Subject: News: Research on Hypnotherapy
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Hypnotism: It's all in the mind
Once regarded as a cheap stage trick, hypnotism is proven to be a powerful
medical treatment - and now it's available on the NHS. Roger Dobson reports
Published: 30 January 2007





There's no magic, no swinging pendulums or swaying watches, and no one is
counting backwards as they slump into unconsciousness. This is medical rather
than stage or movie hypnotism, and it is increasingly being used to treat the
symptoms of diseases and conditions as diverse as asthma, cystic fibrosis,
snoring, migraines and warts.
It's been used to allow surgery and dental work without anaesthesia, and for
pain-free childbirth without medication. And new evidence from the UK's first
  and only NHS centre offering hypnotherapy shows that it's highly effective
in  treating some types of chest pain as well as irritable bowel syndrome.
New research from America has also found that more than half the people who
used hypnotherapy to give up smoking were able to kick the habit, while
researchers in France have successfully used the therapy to lower blood 
pressure.


Full Article Online
_Independent  Online Edition > Health Medical_
(http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article2198698.ece)

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)


HypnoSynthesis®
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#11437 From: HypnoSynthesisUK@...
Date: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:28 am
Subject: News: Kids ask Parents to Stop Smoking
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Parents of young children are statistically more likely to succeed in
stopping smoking than average.  If this figures below are even roughly  correct,
it
might be worth asking parents explicitly during intake interviews  for smoking
cessation whether their kids have previously asked them to stop.  These kind
of conversations usually reinforce motivation and can contribute  further to
success rates. -DR

_BBC NEWS | Health |  Children ask mums to stop smoking_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6446901.stm)


Children ask mums to stop smoking

Almost half of children whose mothers smoke have asked them  to quit, a
survey has found.
The poll of 500 smoking mothers also found two-thirds felt guilty about
spending money on cigarettes which could be used for their children.
And almost all the women said they were concerned about the effect their
smoking habit may have on the health of their child.

Yours Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training  Director

Senior Clinician Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered  Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the European Register of Psychotherapists  (ERP)


HypnoSynthesis®
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#11436 From: chriskey1@...
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:29 pm
Subject: Link exchange lists
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Was it this group which had link exchange lists A and B?  Just to let  you
know I am redoing my website and will let you know when it is "up" so that  you
can check, and I hope reciprocate.

I can still include a few more if people missed out on the lists last time.

Regards,  Christine Key

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#11435 From: HypnoSynthesisUK@...
Date: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:18 pm
Subject: News: McKenna's Unread Books
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A poll released today of the books British people are most likely to begin
reading but abandon before finishing put Paul McKenna's recent title "I can
Make  you Thin" in the top ten unfinished non-fiction books.  Readers were more
likely to finish reading controversial Big Brother "star" Jade Goody's
autobiography than McKenna's self-help book.  From the other figures in the
article, it looks like about 25% of people probably abandoned McKenna's book 
before
finishing it, for some reason.  It was the second most likely  self-help book
to be abandoned part-way through, next to Allen Carr's book on  stopping
smoking.

_BBC NEWS |  Entertainment | Harry Potter book 'often unread'_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6440981.stm)

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)


HypnoSynthesis®
The UK College of Hypnosis &  Hypnotherapy Ltd.
_www.HypnoSynthesis.com_ (http://www.hypnosynthesis.com/)
Freephone  0800 195 9809
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#11434 From: "Lou" <lou@...>
Date: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:14 pm
Subject: New Member
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Hello to you all,

Just wanted to introduce myself as a new member.  I am currently a full
time therapist at the Priory Hospital specialising in addictions.  I am
a qualified addictions therapist, hypnotherapist, and NLP Master Prac
completing my NLP psychotherapy qualification this year.

Unfortunately, hypnotherapy is not utilised at all at work as it is not
recognised by the psychiatrists and especially with the client group I
counsel.

My aim from joining this group is to further my knowledge in hypnosis
and work out how it can be further integrated into my approach with
clients.

Looking forward to joining in the discussion.
Many thanks
Lou

#11433 From: "Gillian Scully" <gillian@...>
Date: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:09 am
Subject: Re:Energy healing as an adjunct to hypnosis?
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Hi Lesley



Well done you I thought I was doing well with 3 sessions. You have urged me
on now to attempt all in one session although I know at the moment I could
not achieve that realistically. Generally in the first session it is getting
rid all of the negative issues from the past, second is getting them
balanced and the third is getting rid of any fears of moving forward and
also helping them to use self hypnosis to help themselves so in all it does
take about 3 sessions which for me is about 3 hours. Sometimes also once
some things have been cleared other things can come to the surface so it
gives me a chance to help to get rid of those issues also.







Best Wishes



Gilli



"Emotional problems solved using techniques that are painless & drug free"
Call me NOW!'







Gillian Scully EPS, GQHP, NLP (Master), TFTdx

thoughtfields

242 Cathedral Road, Cardiff, CF11 9JG

Freephone: 0800-731-8316 (Clients Only)

Mobile No: +4477069-12277

Website: www.thoughtfields.co.uk

Email: gillian@...

Accredited Trainer in TFT algorithm

NHS Provider No: 8WG01







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#11432 From: "Ron Hubbard" <hubbard_ron@...>
Date: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:37 am
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology
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Hi, Catherine;

The Johnson Smith company has a marvelous video on stage hypnosis taught by
some doctor
or other-- sorry I can't provide the details as the tape is buried under a
thousand other tapes
and DVDs at the moment. For US$30.00 it's a very good investment for those
really interested
in stage hypnosis.

Ron



>From: "Catherine Bigg" <catherine_bigg1d@...>
>To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:07:54 -0000
>
>Hello everyone,
>Well I have completed my first course in Stage hypnosis, I intend to follow
>it through as
>and when I can afford it. This Group seems to be rather serious so I am not
>sure whether
>my light hearted topic on experiences and questions about hypnosis will be
>warmly
>recieved?
>Here goes anyhows! Most of the topics are about codes of practice, ethics
>law and
>Academic course work. Do any of you "Look on the bright side of life?"
>
>( If You want to skip the drama and the story and get straight to the point
>of this Topic
>scroll down to **  where I get to the POINT!)
>
>I have a little dilema as always, I think I am one of these people if I
>have not got a concern
>or worry about something I'm not happy (hah hah LOL LOL! :-) }
>1st I read in a book, that "Once the subconcious nature has accepted a
>suggestion the NO
>will or conscious effort can reject that suggestion. Ok! This is what
>happend to me. I was
>told by the hypnotist that "When ever I say the word Sleep, relax or sleep
>etc you shall
>instintively return to the state you are in right now nodd head if you
>agree"
>
>First few times worked well, on the third the thought in my head was
>"you've just woken
>me up to full conscious awareness. back to my normal waking state. where my
>logical
>mind and will are in complete contact. prey, tell me, if I choose to reject
>your suggestion
>of sleep I have free will to do so?"
>
>Of course none of this was said out loud; [wish it were! :-{  ] but my body
>language and
>facial expression Exuded defiance (pardon spelling)  He said twice "Sleep "
>clicked his
>fingers Nought response.  I smiled.  So desperately wanted to say "Arrh
>never mind looks
>like I"m a wake, best send me back to chair hey?!"
>
>But nothing came out my mouth Just a cheeky grin on my face... Then he
>asked a fellow
>hypnotist to say the word "Sleep" nought happend. did he look puzzled not
>at all.
>
>  **So fellow hypnotherapists How would you handle that situation? What da
>yah make of
>that?  My Question to you is;  Now,  you have the history behind it is: Can
>You reject a
>suggestion that You have previously Accepted?
>
>Once you have accepted a suggestion Can you later Reject that same
>suggestion?
>
>I feel it is important to give detail so you can see the full picture if I
>just said the above
>paragraph you would not understand...  If you would like to know how he
>saved face write
>me an email.. or send an instant message..
>
>Have an Excellent day
>
>hypno-mainia32/catherine_bigg32d <Yahoo ID)
>
>
>
>
>You want to be a Hypnotherapist? We will train you...
>Clinical Hypnotherapy Training Courses:
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#11431 From: "lesliebonnick" <lcbonnick@...>
Date: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:17 am
Subject: Re:Energy healing as an adjunct to hypnosis?
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Hello Gillian

You are fortunate you are able to see clients for three sessions.
The majority of my clients come for one session only. I could choose
to believe that that means I'm a useless therapist!  Instead, I
choose to believe that it is possible to create a significant shift
in someone's belief system very quickly and that you can get them to
see things differently, to let go of underlying anxiety, and thereby
improve their wellbeing.  The only way I can do this is by using my
intuition and using some wonderful metaphors that allow the client to
consciously or unconsciously interpret in whatever way feels right
for them.  And so the healing process begins.  Some of my clients
have a spontaneous spiritual experience, others do not.  The client
appears to experience what they need to experience to help themselves
feel good about themselves, which some of them have not done for a
very long time.

About six months ago I had considered becoming a medical intuitive
but decided against it for the time being, because for me at the
moment it doesn't feel right.

With very best wishes

Leslie Bonnick
Hypnotherapist

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Gillian Scully"
<gillian@...> wrote:
>
> Hello John
>
>
>
> I generally use Thought Field Therapy in the first session with
people as I
> find it more effective for dealing with particular issues, the next
couple
> of sessions I would use Hypnosis as it is good as a blanket for
remaining
> issues. More recently I am finding that using both of these methods
is not
> enough and I am then dealing with problems on a spiritual level. I
am not
> talking about hands on healing, although I am also trained in
Reiki, but in
> actually in talking to the person about their beliefs and how their
own
> spirit is as important as their mind and body. Good balance is
required!
>
>
>
> I have been surprised with some of the things that my clients have
then told
> me as how they feel from a spiritual level AND also what they have
> experienced.
>
>
>
> I had been feeling for a while before this that what I was doing
was not
> quite enough so I intend to do some more study and aim for Medical
> Intuitive. I am pretty sure that the majority of 'therapists' use
the
> intuition, gut instinct etc when they are working with clients in
any case.
> So many people that are interested in Psychic and use these
extra 'tools'
> etc but feel a little scared in admitting to it?
>
>
>
> Welcome to the group and I hope my comments help? If you are
interested in
> learning Thought Field Therapy please feel free to contact me as I
train
> people in TFT and have a course in a couple of weeks.
>
>
>
> I have a question. Generally my clients only need 3 sessions before
they are
> feeling good and back on the path of moving forward happily in
their lives.
> Good for them and sad for me as I am always looking for new
clients. How do
> other therapists get on with their clients and how many sessions do
they
> need with a client?
>
>
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> Gilli
>
>
>
> "Solutions for Stress & Anxiety using techniques that are painless
& drug
> free"  Call me NOW!'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gillian Scully GQHP, NLP (Master), TFTdx
>
> thoughtfields
>
> 242 Cathedral Road, Cardiff, CF11 9JG
>
> Freephone: 0800-731-8316 (Clients Only)
>
> Mobile No: +4477069-12277
>
> Website: www.thoughtfields.co.uk
>
> Email: gillian@...
>
> Accredited Trainer in TFT
>
> NHS Provider No: 8WG01
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

#11430 From: "bob hope" <mindmagic123@...>
Date: Fri Mar 9, 2007 11:06 pm
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology
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hi Catherine et al.

just another half truths/partial truths that abound in the mythology
(=bullshit) of hypnotism. the myth of the all powerful suggestion in the
hands of the all powerful hypnotist. if this stuff were true, hypnotists
would be buried under the avalanche of people who can have there problems
suggested away. like 95% of the population?

i endlessly repeat the statement of Milton Erickson, acknowledged as one of
the worlds most amazing hypnotic wizards, paraphrased. "There are some
clients who make excelent subjects for therapy, but who are not amenable to
demonstration work, and those who make wonderful demonstration subjects,
with whom I can do no therapy." he also reports meeting someone by chance
about 20 years, or more? (damn that Alzheimers), after giving them a post
hypnotic suggestion. on re-triggering, the response developed as if no time
had intervened at all.

the power of any response is ultimately under the control of the subject,
not the hypnotist. your defiance is precisely the response called out in so
many by command or controlling type of hypnosis. it then becomes the "you
can't hypnotize me" child versus authority power struggle. and in that power
struggle, who is usually the winner!  of course, hypnotherapy, which i
practice, (hoping to become perfect), is different from stage hypnosis,
where the apparent inability to resist is part of the entertainment. so
command hypnosis is more appropriate. you agreed to accept his suggestion,
but later exercised your right as a human being to change your mind. or part
of you agreed, but the defiant "part" or streak in you later took over, and
decided to screw with him. good for your defiant part, or as Jewish people
say, Mazeltov!  if this latter is the case, it shows how all parts of our
divided minds/nature need to be in accordance for suggestions to be the most
successful, especially so in hypnotherapy.

best from the brain of the other brian, the little b.



>From: "Catherine Bigg" <catherine_bigg1d@...>
>To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:07:54 -0000
>
>Hello everyone,
>Well I have completed my first course in Stage hypnosis, I intend to follow
>it through as
>and when I can afford it. This Group seems to be rather serious so I am not
>sure whether
>my light hearted topic on experiences and questions about hypnosis will be
>warmly
>recieved?
>Here goes anyhows! Most of the topics are about codes of practice, ethics
>law and
>Academic course work. Do any of you "Look on the bright side of life?"
>
>( If You want to skip the drama and the story and get straight to the point
>of this Topic
>scroll down to **  where I get to the POINT!)
>
>I have a little dilema as always, I think I am one of these people if I
>have not got a concern
>or worry about something I'm not happy (hah hah LOL LOL! :-) }
>1st I read in a book, that "Once the subconcious nature has accepted a
>suggestion the NO
>will or conscious effort can reject that suggestion. Ok! This is what
>happend to me. I was
>told by the hypnotist that "When ever I say the word Sleep, relax or sleep
>etc you shall
>instintively return to the state you are in right now nodd head if you
>agree"
>
>First few times worked well, on the third the thought in my head was
>"you've just woken
>me up to full conscious awareness. back to my normal waking state. where my
>logical
>mind and will are in complete contact. prey, tell me, if I choose to reject
>your suggestion
>of sleep I have free will to do so?"
>
>Of course none of this was said out loud; [wish it were! :-{  ] but my body
>language and
>facial expression Exuded defiance (pardon spelling)  He said twice "Sleep "
>clicked his
>fingers Nought response.  I smiled.  So desperately wanted to say "Arrh
>never mind looks
>like I"m a wake, best send me back to chair hey?!"
>
>But nothing came out my mouth Just a cheeky grin on my face... Then he
>asked a fellow
>hypnotist to say the word "Sleep" nought happend. did he look puzzled not
>at all.
>
>  **So fellow hypnotherapists How would you handle that situation? What da
>yah make of
>that?  My Question to you is;  Now,  you have the history behind it is: Can
>You reject a
>suggestion that You have previously Accepted?
>
>Once you have accepted a suggestion Can you later Reject that same
>suggestion?
>
>I feel it is important to give detail so you can see the full picture if I
>just said the above
>paragraph you would not understand...  If you would like to know how he
>saved face write
>me an email.. or send an instant message..
>
>Have an Excellent day
>
>hypno-mainia32/catherine_bigg32d <Yahoo ID)
>
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#11429 From: "Richard Nicholls" <richard.nicholls@...>
Date: Fri Mar 9, 2007 10:50 pm
Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology
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Negative Hypnosis has clients accepting suggestions for 30+ years of their
life.
"You are fat"
"Everyone thinks you're stupid"
When they are ready to change, they reject the suggestion.
So, in short, yes you can reject suggestions that you have previously
accepted.
I hated broccoli for 25 years of my life, and was convinced I hated it,
until I actually tried some


Richard Nicholls
www.midlandshypnotherapy.com
0845 634 8052



   -----Original Message-----
   From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Catherine Bigg
   Sent: 09 March 2007 22:12
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [UKhypno] Hypno Pschology


   Hello everyone,
   Well I have completed my first course in Stage hypnosis, I intend to
follow it through as
   and when I can afford it. This Group seems to be rather serious so I am
not sure whether
   my light hearted topic on experiences and questions about hypnosis will be
warmly
   recieved?
   Here goes anyhows! Most of the topics are about codes of practice, ethics
law and
   Academic course work. Do any of you "Look on the bright side of life?"

   ( If You want to skip the drama and the story and get straight to the
point of this Topic
   scroll down to ** where I get to the POINT!)

   I have a little dilema as always, I think I am one of these people if I
have not got a concern
   or worry about something I'm not happy (hah hah LOL LOL! :-) }
   1st I read in a book, that "Once the subconcious nature has accepted a
suggestion the NO
   will or conscious effort can reject that suggestion. Ok! This is what
happend to me. I was
   told by the hypnotist that "When ever I say the word Sleep, relax or sleep
etc you shall
   instintively return to the state you are in right now nodd head if you
agree"

   First few times worked well, on the third the thought in my head was
"you've just woken
   me up to full conscious awareness. back to my normal waking state. where
my logical
   mind and will are in complete contact. prey, tell me, if I choose to
reject your suggestion
   of sleep I have free will to do so?"

   Of course none of this was said out loud; [wish it were! :-{ ] but my body
language and
   facial expression Exuded defiance (pardon spelling) He said twice "Sleep "
clicked his
   fingers Nought response. I smiled. So desperately wanted to say "Arrh
never mind looks
   like I"m a wake, best send me back to chair hey?!"

   But nothing came out my mouth Just a cheeky grin on my face... Then he
asked a fellow
   hypnotist to say the word "Sleep" nought happend. did he look puzzled not
at all.

   **So fellow hypnotherapists How would you handle that situation? What da
yah make of
   that? My Question to you is; Now, you have the history behind it is: Can
You reject a
   suggestion that You have previously Accepted?

   Once you have accepted a suggestion Can you later Reject that same
suggestion?

   I feel it is important to give detail so you can see the full picture if I
just said the above
   paragraph you would not understand... If you would like to know how he
saved face write
   me an email.. or send an instant message..

   Have an Excellent day

   hypno-mainia32/catherine_bigg32d <Yahoo ID)






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#11428 From: "Catherine Bigg" <catherine_bigg1d@...>
Date: Fri Mar 9, 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: Hypno Pschology
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Hello everyone,
Well I have completed my first course in Stage hypnosis, I intend to follow it
through as
and when I can afford it. This Group seems to be rather serious so I am not sure
whether
my light hearted topic on experiences and questions about hypnosis will be
warmly
recieved?
Here goes anyhows! Most of the topics are about codes of practice, ethics law
and
Academic course work. Do any of you "Look on the bright side of life?"

( If You want to skip the drama and the story and get straight to the point of
this Topic
scroll down to **  where I get to the POINT!)

I have a little dilema as always, I think I am one of these people if I have not
got a concern
or worry about something I'm not happy (hah hah LOL LOL! :-) }
1st I read in a book, that "Once the subconcious nature has accepted a
suggestion the NO
will or conscious effort can reject that suggestion. Ok! This is what happend to
me. I was
told by the hypnotist that "When ever I say the word Sleep, relax or sleep etc
you shall
instintively return to the state you are in right now nodd head if you agree"

First few times worked well, on the third the thought in my head was "you've
just woken
me up to full conscious awareness. back to my normal waking state. where my
logical
mind and will are in complete contact. prey, tell me, if I choose to reject your
suggestion
of sleep I have free will to do so?"

Of course none of this was said out loud; [wish it were! :-{  ] but my body
language and
facial expression Exuded defiance (pardon spelling)  He said twice "Sleep "
clicked his
fingers Nought response.  I smiled.  So desperately wanted to say "Arrh never
mind looks
like I"m a wake, best send me back to chair hey?!"

But nothing came out my mouth Just a cheeky grin on my face... Then he asked a
fellow
hypnotist to say the word "Sleep" nought happend. did he look puzzled not at
all.

  **So fellow hypnotherapists How would you handle that situation? What da yah
make of
that?  My Question to you is;  Now,  you have the history behind it is: Can You
reject a
suggestion that You have previously Accepted?

Once you have accepted a suggestion Can you later Reject that same suggestion?

I feel it is important to give detail so you can see the full picture if I just
said the above
paragraph you would not understand...  If you would like to know how he saved
face write
me an email.. or send an instant message..

Have an Excellent day

hypno-mainia32/catherine_bigg32d <Yahoo ID)

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