"Improved obstetric outcomes using hypnotic analgesia and skill mastery
combined with childbirth education."
Thought those of you interested in hypnosis and childbirth might find this
research abstract useful.  It shows various benefits following hypnotic  pain
control training in preparation for childbirth.  Best,  Don

Harmon, Teresa M.; Hynan, Michael T.; Tyre, Timothy E. (1990). Improved
obstetric outcomes using hypnotic analgesia and skill mastery combined with
childbirth education. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 58, 
525-530.

ABSTRACT: Studied the benefits of hypnotic analgesia as an adjunct to
childbirth in 60 nulliparous women. Subjects were divided into high- and
low-susceptibility groups before receiving six sessions of childbirth education 
and
skill mastery using an ischemic pain task. Half of the subjects in each  group
received a hypnotic induction at the beginning of each session; the  remaining
control subjects received relaxation and breathing exercises typically  used in
childbirth education. Both hypnotic subjects and highly susceptible  subjects
reported reduced pain. Hypnotically prepared births had shorter Stage 1
labors, less medication, higher Apgar scores, and more frequent spontaneous
deliveries than control subjects' births. Highly susceptible, hypnotically 
treated
women had lower depression scores after birth than women in the other  three
groups. The authors believe that repeated skill mastery facilitated the
effectiveness of hypnosis in the study.


Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

The  HypnoSynthesis® Centre

Hypnotherapy Clinic,  Self-Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Training Courses
_www.HypnoSynthesis.com_ (http://www.hypnosynthesis.com/)
Freephone  0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

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Registered in England as  Company No. 05499462
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Dear Debbie

I wouldn't want to suggest that hypnotherapy can resolve a bi-polar
disorder, as in "Go to sleep - you are no longer bi-polar," but it
may be possible to help with component parts of the problem. If you
took a case history you'd know where you thought you might be able
to help and where you wouldn't.

So if i were you I wouldn't think about treating 'bi-polar' and
wondering about onward referral. I'd be thinking about mood
elevation (for the depressed times) and relaxation (for the manic
times). You may also find you can work on things like motivation,
socializing, eating properly, libido, sleep - I don't know, there
can be so many things. You need a case history.

As the patient is no longer under a cons. psych. there doesn't seem
to be an issue of her being left to their care. If it were me, I'd
write to her GP to advise that I'd been invited to treat, ask for
confirmation of the medication and whether the GP had any plans to
alter the medication. (I wouldn't necessarily expect an answer, but
I'd write anyway).

Of course all this assumes the patient is a good hypnotee.

Best wishes

barry


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie W"
<debbie.waller@...> wrote:
>
> I've been appraoched by a lady with bi polar disorder to ask if
> hypnotherapy can help her. She's on anti depressants at present,
and
> has been for some years, but wants to reduce or get rid of them.
She's
> seen CBT counsellors and psychologists in the past via the NHS,
but is
> currently under GP care only.
> This is outside my experience but my (limited) understanding of bi
> polar disorder leads me to think that she is likely to need to
remain
> on the tablets, though maybe could be helped with the symptoms of
her
> disorder, eg she says she has anger management issues.
> Is that a fair assessment? Or is this a condition best left to
> psychologists/psychiatrists or those with medical training?
> If it can be treated by a hypnotherapist is there anyone in the
> Wakefield (Yorkshire) area who has experience of working with it
so I
> can refer this lady on?
> Many thanks
> Debbie
>

Hello everyone,

I am a hypnotherapist practicung in London. I was wondering if anybody
knows of any masterclasses. Ones that may have a marketing part to
them would be a bonus.

Warm regards

Fiaz

This is part of a current BBC Radio 4  series on memory.  You can listen to a
recording online using your  PC.  This episode discusses the issues
surrounding false memory and is  therefore of special relevance to
hypnotherapists.
Don.
The Making of Memory:
How accurate is  memory?

_BBC -  Radio 4 Memory Experience - The Making of Memory: How accurate is
memory?_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/memory/programmes/making_memory2.shtml)

This three-part series unravels some of the latest scientific research into
how memory works with some of the leading experts in the field. We'll explore
fundamental questions such as does our memory have infinite capacity? Why are
  some people are better at remembering than others? Might drugs already being
  developed and tested be able to improve our memory? And is there a genetic
cause  to dementia or is it down to our lifestyle choices?
Whilst our memories can be a reliable asset - they can deceive us badly. This
  programme explores how much we can trust our memories and what happens when
they  are called on to recall important information in, for example, a court
of law?  How easily can our memories for important events be manipulated
without us  realising it?
Professor Elizabeth Loftus, recently listed at the most influential female
psychologist of all time, has spent many years researching the fallibility of
memory. Her breakthrough came when she deliberately planted false memories of
highly charged events into subjects without them realising it.
The research has had enormous legal repercussions and has questioned some of
our most basic assumptions about the mind. Also in this programme, is déjâ vu
a  glitch or a sign that the mind does indeed have supernatural powers? Is
this  just another example of the mind's fragility?

Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

The  HypnoSynthesis® Centre

Hypnotherapy Clinic,  Self-Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Training Courses
_www.HypnoSynthesis.com_ (http://www.hypnosynthesis.com/)
Freephone  0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis®  is a trading name of Donald Robertson Training Ltd.,
Registered in England as  Company No. 05499462
UK Register of Learning Providers  No.10008042


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I've been appraoched by a lady with bi polar disorder to ask if
hypnotherapy can help her. She's on anti depressants at present, and
has been for some years, but wants to reduce or get rid of them. She's
seen CBT counsellors and psychologists in the past via the NHS, but is
currently under GP care only.
This is outside my experience but my (limited) understanding of bi
polar disorder leads me to think that she is likely to need to remain
on the tablets, though maybe could be helped with the symptoms of her
disorder, eg she says she has anger management issues.
Is that a fair assessment? Or is this a condition best left to
psychologists/psychiatrists or those with medical training?
If it can be treated by a hypnotherapist is there anyone in the
Wakefield (Yorkshire) area who has experience of working with it so I
can refer this lady on?
Many thanks
Debbie

As a state licensed institution, I am required to teach marketing and
setting up a business.  If you are offering vocational training, how could
you not?  Too many people offer what I call "feel good" training.  That is
training that gives you a warm feeling but after it's over, you are left in
the cold.  Again, my best advice is, for people who are looking for
training, to ask the trainer for references from past students and to look
over the curriculum, including materials offered, before deciding on
investing into vocational training of any type.

Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
President/CEO
Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
1-800-642-9339
1-(623) 853-9516
bfhowell@... <mailto:bfhowell@...>
www.atwoodinstitute.org

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From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Donald
Robertson
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:52 AM
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [UKhypno] Hypnotherapy Training


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Jacobs -
hypnotherapist" <brian@...> wrote:
> However I am informed there are some courses that teach everything a
hypnotherapist should know apart from how the hypnotherapist should
market themselves. Or where the student is encouraged to undercharge
for their services. The result can be that the qualified trainee
struggles to make a living.

I wholeheartedly agree Brian.  Our own HypnoSynthesis training contains
a section on marketing.  In addtion to the specific advice we provide,
I also suggest that hypnotherapists who lack business skills should
seek support and advice from the Government's small business support
organisation Business Link, which has branches in most towns around the
country.  We also recommend several good books which are available on
marketing for hypnotherapists.  In addition, we have a self-hypnosis CD
specially designed to help cultivate an attitude of mind conducive to
finanical success.

Best,

Don





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_BBC NEWS |  Entertainment | Psychologists voice Brother worry_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5281684.stm)
The British Psychological Society (BPS) has said it "shares public  concerns"
over the recent Big Brother series.
Specific areas of disquiet include the show's "deliberate creation of tension
  and conflict" among its participants.
If specific complaints are made against BPS members involved in the series, a
  spokesman said, they may face censure. [...]
According to a society representative, the BPS had meetings with Endemol and
"gained some consensus" over how housemates should be treated.
"It didn't appear that some of the areas we discussed were necessarily being
applied this year," he told the BBC News website.
The main areas of concern, he continued, was the possibility that "vulnerable
  people" had been included in this year's line-up and that psychologists may
have  been involved in the "deliberate stressing" of individuals.

However, he welcomed comments made by an Endemol spokesman to Broadcast
magazine saying it was happy to co-operate with the BPS as "a very positive
statement on their part".
Earlier in the series Shahbaz Chauhdry walked out of the show after
threatening to kill himself after just five days under the scrutiny of the 
cameras.
The Mental Health Foundation expressed its concerns at the handling of the
37-year-old from Glasgow.
But Channel 4 said the welfare of all Big Brother participants was "of the
utmost importance".
Yours  Sincerely,

Donald Robertson
Training Director

Senior Clinician  Hypnotherapist (NCH)
Registered Psychotherapist (UKCP)
Member of the  European Register of Psychotherapists (ERP)

The  HypnoSynthesis® Centre

Hypnotherapy Clinic,  Self-Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Training Courses
_www.HypnoSynthesis.com_ (http://www.hypnosynthesis.com/)
Freephone  0800 195 9809
International +44(0)2086610492

HypnoSynthesis®  is a trading name of Donald Robertson Training Ltd.,
Registered in England as  Company No. 05499462
UK Register of Learning Providers  No.10008042


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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Jacobs -
hypnotherapist" <brian@...> wrote:
> However I am informed there are some courses that teach everything a
hypnotherapist should know apart from how the hypnotherapist should
market themselves. Or where the student is encouraged to undercharge
for their services. The result can be that the qualified trainee
struggles to make a living.

I wholeheartedly agree Brian.  Our own HypnoSynthesis training contains
a section on marketing.  In addtion to the specific advice we provide,
I also suggest that hypnotherapists who lack business skills should
seek support and advice from the Government's small business support
organisation Business Link, which has branches in most towns around the
country.  We also recommend several good books which are available on
marketing for hypnotherapists.  In addition, we have a self-hypnosis CD
specially designed to help cultivate an attitude of mind conducive to
finanical success.

Best,

Don

Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy UK: HypnotismI write in response to recent posts
regarding cost-effective hypnotherapy training.

When I originally trained as a hypnotherapist it cost me a few thousand pounds.
However it gave me the tools to go out and offer a stop smoking programme that
would enable me to recoup my costs within a matter of weeks. There have been
subsequent courses that have been promoted on a similar basis. This is what I
consider to be cost effective hynotherapy training.

However I am informed there are some courses that teach everything a
hypnotherapist should know apart from how the hypnotherapist should market
themselves. Or where the student is encouraged to undercharge for their
services. The result can be that the qualified trainee struggles to make a
living.

So, I would suggest that a potential student (assuming they intend to become
practicing hypnotherapists) considers the possible income that can be generated
before they embark on the training course.

Brian

Brian M Jacobs  DipHyp, NRAH, GHRreg, NGH BCH, CI
Clinical Hypnotherapist & Hypnotherapy Trainer
Hypnotic Solutions
Tel: 0845 45 65 234
----------------------------------------------
www.hypnoticsolutions.co.uk - for hypnotherapy
www.hypnoticsolutions.org.uk - for hypnotherapy training
------------------------------------------------





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I read with interest the posts re: training and cost effectiveness.

Personally, I found it a prospective minefield when I decided that
hypnotherapy training would be my first rung on the ladder to becoming
an effective therapist.  Advertisements of training on some very
professionally produced websites, as we all know, do not always
accurately reflect the quality of the training the college or school
will provide.  The style of the therapist most known to me, didn't
particularly appeal and so I was loathe to go down the route that she
had taken, choosing instead another school, for a number of reasons not
least of which was distance of travel!

Since qualifying in July, I find the most financially challenging hurdle
is hiring appropriate therapy rooms in (very) central London where I am
based.  I understand that just one or two clients a week will eventually
cover the cost of my training and I look upon it  pragmatically: the
bare cost of my tuition was around £2200, (not including hundreds
spent on books, of course).  The money is spent and I am (hopefully
decently) trained – fair trade! The same course next year will cost
in the region of £2600.

However, as I trained on a credit card and am still incurring `set
up' costs before I begin to build my practice and, being still at
the very beginning where the `chicken or egg' situation applies,
I face the question  - do I hire therapy rooms (always on a sessional
basis, not hourly) and then try to bring the clients in to those
pre-fixed hours? Or do I do it the other way around.  Money not being
`no object' in my case, I find this is a real dilemma.  I am
also seeing one or two `special circumstances' clients on a
voluntary basis and want to continue (and expand) this part of my
practice too.

As well the`continuing professional development' side of things
needs to be funded too and to this end another £700 or so has already
been earmarked for the coming year.

How ideal it would be to have a regular and dedicated therapy space of
my own…  I aim towards that eventually.

Jules Williamson




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Jack Elias says: "These are people that had spent tens of thousands
of dollars and up to 10 years preparing to help people only to still
discover themselves inadequate to the task."

And I think that is the position that people that ask about cost
effective training are trying to avoid.  Don't misunderstand the
quest for cost effective training.  I have been training myself.  If
I had a word of mouth recommendation on a good cost effective course
that would meet my own ends, I'd go for it.

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Elias"
<jelias@...> wrote:
>
> I must second Barney's comments. I too offer a comprehensive
course since 1988 that is an invaluable bargain at less than $2000.
> I have had many MA and PhD psychologists rave that, until they
took this course, they really didn't know how to help people.
> These are people that had spent tens of thousands of dollars and
up to 10 years preparing to help people only to still discover
themselves inadequate to the task.
> It is just great good news that such an ordeal is unnecessary, and
that we provide an alternative.
> In my opinion, what is necessary is a genuine intent to serve and
strength of purpose to keep learning until you are up to the task.
If the course is over and you aren't ready, take another one until
you are. Don't complain that you should be ready just because you
sat through a training.
> Of course, we all want to get the best value for our money and we
all want to make a good living.
> I feel sad when I get the sense that prospective students do not
value the preciousness of the healing tools they are about to
acquire or do not properly value the healing relationships they will
be entering into.
> I feel sad when it seems they are more focused on how fast and how
cheaply they can get trained so they can start making money.
> Unfortunately, as Barney mentions, advertising in our field like
weekend miracle courses, encourages a get rich quick and easy
mentality and often only gives lip service to developing a heartfelt
sense of service to the client.
>
> May we all do better than this. May all you prospective students
find truly worthwhile trainings to attend.

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Atwood Institute"
<bfhowell@...> wrote:
> I just want to comment on this request a little.  I am continuously
amazed at the request for "cost effective" training to begin a career.

I sympathise with your feelings.  The cost of our own training, as I
mentioned, is less than the fees from one client a month, or less than
a typical phone bill over a year.  Hypnotherapy training in general is
remarkably cheap compared to other vocational training.

I think this is largely a reflection on the fact that the general
public still struggle with the misconceptions that abound and are
naturally concerned about their ability to make a living as a
therapist.

However, in reality, it is relatively easy to make a very profitable
living from running a private hypnotherapy practice.  Certainly more
than enough to make the initial investment in training a drop in the
ocean by comparison.

Personally, I estimate that I have made back the cost of my initial
training and profited financially, literally, more than a hundredfold
upon it.  I suspect most hypnotherapists in practice for a similar
length of time could probably say the same thing.

Nevertheless, it is notable that the evidence suggests that in the
therapy field generally only about 20% of people who study go on to be
full-time therapists, counsellors, etc., in the longer term.  Perhaps
only a proportion of people seriously intend it as a career in the
first place or find they have the right personality for therapeutic
work.

Mind you, by comparison, how many people who train in the dramatic arts
actually go on to be professional actors?  The same probably applies to
most vocations in life.


Best,

Don

I must second Barney's comments. I too offer a comprehensive course since 1988
that is an invaluable bargain at less than $2000.
I have had many MA and PhD psychologists rave that, until they took this course,
they really didn't know how to help people.
These are people that had spent tens of thousands of dollars and up to 10 years
preparing to help people only to still discover themselves inadequate to the
task.
It is just great good news that such an ordeal is unnecessary, and that we
provide an alternative.
In my opinion, what is necessary is a genuine intent to serve and strength of
purpose to keep learning until you are up to the task. If the course is over and
you aren't ready, take another one until you are. Don't complain that you should
be ready just because you sat through a training.
Of course, we all want to get the best value for our money and we all want to
make a good living.
I feel sad when I get the sense that prospective students do not value the
preciousness of the healing tools they are about to acquire or do not properly
value the healing relationships they will be entering into.
I feel sad when it seems they are more focused on how fast and how cheaply they
can get trained so they can start making money.
Unfortunately, as Barney mentions, advertising in our field like weekend miracle
courses, encourages a get rich quick and easy mentality and often only gives lip
service to developing a heartfelt sense of service to the client.

May we all do better than this. May all you prospective students find truly
worthwhile trainings to attend.

Peace,
Jack

Jack Elias, CH
Lucid Heart© Therapy & Life Coaching
Institute for Therapeutic Learning
Hypnotherapy Certification,  Private Sessions, & Self-Improvement Products
Author, Finding True Magic: Transpersonal Hypnosis and Hypnotherapy/NLP
A Radical Synthesis of Eastern & Western Perspectives & Techniques
www.FindingTrueMagic.com


"The world is its own magic."   -- Shunryu Suzuki, Roshi

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Atwood Institute
   To: glennstallard ; hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Training


   I just want to comment on this request a little. I am continuously amazed
   at the request for "cost effective" training to begin a career. I know
   things in this world can be pricey, however the term "career" means possibly
   a life time of earning. As Don and some others on this forum offer very
   good training in the UK, I am only commenting on the request. I can't
   imagine a doctor of any kind requesting "cost effective" schooling. Yes, no
   one wants to spend more than is necessary for anything. However our
   profession is demeaned, I feel, by requests like this. For a career, my
   school has been offering training in hypnotherapy since 1989. We have not
   increased our tuition during that time as we have to be competitive with
   those "week end" wonder courses. A lot of other vocational schools in other
   careers charge much more than we do here in the US. A truck driver will pay
   5-8 thousand dollars to be trained, for instance. My tuition, until the end
   of this year, is still less than 2 thousand dollars. Yet, I can earn a lot
   more than that truck driver, with less investment and with less physical
   effort. This is not an easy career, but no one can say it is physically
   demanding. Please, look at the quality of training, history of the
   instructor, success of past students, then do whatever you can do to go for
   the effective training regardless of "cost effectiveness." You may find
   what you are looking for in "cost effectiveness" and not be successful in
   your career. How "cost effective" would that be? Sorry for the length Don,
   but this really gets me going sometimes. And really, no disrespect to Glenn
   is intended, just comments that hopefully will lead you to becoming a
   terrific hypnotherapist.

   Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
   President/CEO
   Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
   501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
   Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
   1-800-642-9339
   1-(623) 853-9516
   bfhowell@... <mailto:bfhowell@...>
   www.atwoodinstitute.org

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   -----Original Message-----
   From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
   glennstallard
   Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:08 AM
   To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [UKhypno] Training

   Hello All
   I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. I have for a long time now been
   thinking of doing some sort of training to be a hypnotherapist, and
   would like to make it a career. I have trawled through thousands of
   pages on the internet seeking out a relaible, economical source to
   enable to do what I would like to. After 3 hours I got bored looking
   at the same links, many of them offering courses at substantial costs.
   I am hoping that some peresons on here may be able to direct me
   towards some reliable, cost effective sources.
   Regards
   Glenn

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I just want to comment on this request a little.  I am continuously amazed
at the request for "cost effective" training to begin a career.  I know
things in this world can be pricey, however the term "career" means possibly
a life time of earning.  As Don and some others on this forum offer very
good training in the UK, I am only commenting on the request.  I can't
imagine a doctor of any kind requesting "cost effective" schooling.  Yes, no
one wants to spend more than is necessary for anything.  However our
profession is demeaned, I feel, by requests like this.  For a career, my
school has been offering training in hypnotherapy since 1989.  We have not
increased our tuition during that time as we have to be competitive with
those "week end" wonder courses.  A lot of other vocational schools in other
careers charge much more than we do here in the US.  A truck driver will pay
5-8 thousand dollars to be trained, for instance.  My tuition, until the end
of this year, is still less than 2 thousand dollars.  Yet, I can earn a lot
more than that truck driver, with less investment and with less physical
effort.  This is not an easy career, but no one can say it is physically
demanding.  Please, look at the quality of training, history of the
instructor, success of past students, then do whatever you can do to go for
the effective training regardless of "cost effectiveness."  You may find
what you are looking for in "cost effectiveness" and not be successful in
your career.  How "cost effective" would that be?  Sorry for the length Don,
but this really gets me going sometimes.  And really, no disrespect to Glenn
is intended, just comments that hopefully will lead you to becoming a
terrific hypnotherapist.

Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
President/CEO
Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
1-800-642-9339
1-(623) 853-9516
bfhowell@... <mailto:bfhowell@...>
www.atwoodinstitute.org

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-----Original Message-----
From: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
glennstallard
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:08 AM
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKhypno] Training


Hello All
I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. I have for a long time now been
thinking of doing some sort of training to be a hypnotherapist, and
would like to make it a career. I have trawled through thousands of
pages on the internet seeking out a relaible, economical source to
enable to do what I would like to. After 3 hours I got bored looking
at the same links, many of them offering courses at substantial costs.
I am hoping that some peresons on here may be able to direct me
towards some reliable, cost effective sources.
Regards
Glenn







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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "glennstallard"
<glennstallard@...> wrote:
> I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. I have for a long time now been
> thinking of doing some sort of training to be a hypnotherapist, and
> would like to make it a career. I have trawled through thousands of
> pages on the internet seeking out a relaible, economical source to
> enable to do what I would like to. After 3 hours I got bored looking
> at the same links, many of them offering courses at substantial costs.
> I am hoping that some peresons on here may be able to direct me
> towards some reliable, cost effective sources.

Hi,

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Hello All
I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. I have for a long time now been
thinking of doing some sort of training to be a hypnotherapist, and
would like to make it a career. I have trawled through thousands of
pages on the internet seeking out a relaible, economical source to
enable to do what I would like to. After 3 hours I got bored looking
at the same links, many of them offering courses at substantial costs.
I am hoping that some peresons on here may be able to direct me
towards some reliable, cost effective sources.
Regards
Glenn

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Dear Debbie

Forgive me for stating the obvious but as his subc is obviously a
chatterbox I'd hypnotise him, ask the subc why he does it, and find
out if it's really necessary or whether, whatever the objective is,
it can be achieved in some less disruptive way. If there is an
abiding need to do it I'd try a compromise of the "You can chatter
away as much as you like during sleep so long as there's no one else
in the room," variety.

Best wishes

barry


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Debbie W"
<debbie.waller@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> I've been approached by a gentleman who wants to know if
> hypnotherapy can help him to stop talking in his sleep. He is 62,
> not in the best of health and has done this as long as he can
> remember. It's every night, not stress releated, and he's been
told
> it can be anything from chatting about the day's events to total
> giberish.
> He's not aware of it himself while he's asleep, and has no partner
> (divorced years ago) so it's never been a problem.
> Now he has a new job where he often has to go away overnight and
> share a hotel room - his colleagues are complaining about the
> talking so he wants to do something about it.
> This is a new one on me.
> He has his first appointment in a few days. I thought that
> (depending on what other details I get during the induction) I'd
> probably start with either direct suggestion or something like a
six
> step reframe, but I've found in the past that however unusual the
> problem seems to be, someone on this list has usually seen it
> before. I wondered if anyone had come across this particular
problem
> and if so what sort of approach was helpful to their client. How
> successful were you?
> Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
> Debbie
>

Dear Anne

It could be any number of things but dysgeusias (taste disorders)
are commonly caused by medication and are a well-known side-effect
of chemotherapy.

If you write to me (bt @ mindsci-clinic.com) I'll send you an
article on the subject*.

I don't know if it's possible to treat the disorder hypnotically,
but you should be able to make him less bothered by it. The problem
with direct suggestions of the "salt tastes sweet" variety is that
it covers all salt tastes. Salt is a taste enhancer so his food
would all taste bland. I don't think suggestions like "the food that
tastes salty but is supposed to taste sweet tastes sweet while the
food that tastes salty and is supposed to taste salty does taste
salty," are going to work because the subc doesn't know which is
which.

Best wishes

barry
*Please don't anyone else write asking for a copy of the article.


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "anniebel2006"
<annie@...> wrote:
>
> Elderly man with leukemia is having considerable 'taste' problems -

> eveything sweet that goes into his mouth tastes of salt. This
happened
> following a visit to his dentist when, due to his condition,
> a 'fractured' tooth and one that had lost a crown were
simply 'covered'.
> Neither his GP nor his specialist can explain this, and he is
desperate
> to get his taste back to 'normal'.
> I suspect the dentist caused neural pathway damage and this is the
> result, but he is resisting this suggestion. I will be doing
relaxation
> with him and also self hypnosis to deal with severe pain from bone-
> marrow injections, but has anyone any other ideas about
the 'taste'
> problem and/or ideas for 'treating' it?
> Thanx,
> Anne
>

Elderly man with leukemia is having considerable 'taste' problems -
eveything sweet that goes into his mouth tastes of salt. This happened
following a visit to his dentist when, due to his condition,
a 'fractured' tooth and one that had lost a crown were simply 'covered'.
Neither his GP nor his specialist can explain this, and he is desperate
to get his taste back to 'normal'.
I suspect the dentist caused neural pathway damage and this is the
result, but he is resisting this suggestion. I will be doing relaxation
with him and also self hypnosis to deal with severe pain from bone-
marrow injections, but has anyone any other ideas about the 'taste'
problem and/or ideas for 'treating' it?
Thanx,
Anne

Hi all
I've been approached by a gentleman who wants to know if
hypnotherapy can help him to stop talking in his sleep. He is 62,
not in the best of health and has done this as long as he can
remember. It's every night, not stress releated, and he's been told
it can be anything from chatting about the day's events to total
giberish.
He's not aware of it himself while he's asleep, and has no partner
(divorced years ago) so it's never been a problem.
Now he has a new job where he often has to go away overnight and
share a hotel room - his colleagues are complaining about the
talking so he wants to do something about it.
This is a new one on me.
He has his first appointment in a few days. I thought that
(depending on what other details I get during the induction) I'd
probably start with either direct suggestion or something like a six
step reframe, but I've found in the past that however unusual the
problem seems to be, someone on this list has usually seen it
before. I wondered if anyone had come across this particular problem
and if so what sort of approach was helpful to their client. How
successful were you?
Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
Debbie

Hello Barney,

>>>>Mel, forgive me but . . . 100%?  I cannot believe you can get 100% of humans
to do anything.  People have been shot multiple times, fallen from great heights
and lived.  With humans, there is no 100% unless you talk about being born and
dying.  Even then, I'm not sure  :-)   <<<<

You are absolutely right - 100% right. :-)  It was a figure that is impossible
to achieve and yet there are many, if not the majority, who accepted that
statistical figure as truth. Nobody questioned, apart from your good self, what
I was trying to prove by quoting such statistics. I was merely highlighting that
there is a lot of nonsense talked when people introduce statistics. I was
surprised that nobody picked up on it earlier, had I quoted 95% then I should
have expected people to question that also - but quoting 100% was so blatant. To
be honest I don't keep statistics because, for me, they serve no useful purpose.

>>>> There is a guy here in Phoenix who says he has 100% success with smokers. 
When I asked what he based that on, he said, if they don't light up when they
leave his office, it was a success.  Not a real good convincer for me.<<<<

This proves my point exactly.

All the Best

Mel

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Atwood Institute
   To: Mel Grant ; Donald Robertson ; hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:54 AM
   Subject: RE: [UKhypno] Re: News: Smoking cessation claims "hyped"


   Mel, forgive me but . . . 100%?  I cannot believe you can get 100% of humans
to do anything.  People have been shot multiple times, fallen from great heights
and lived.  With humans, there is no 100% unless you talk about being born and
dying.  Even then, I'm not sure  :-)

   While I agree with you about NRT,  I would like to know what criteria you use
to promote your success rate.  I'm not saying you might not be right using
whatever methods you use to measure.   I just am curious about your follow on
policy.  There is a guy here in Phoenix who says he has 100% success with
smokers.  When I asked what he based that on, he said, if they don't light up
when they leave his office, it was a success.  Not a real good convincer for me.

   Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
   President/CEO
   Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
   501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
   Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
   1-800-642-9339
   1-(623) 853-9516
   bfhowell@...
   www.atwoodinstitute.org

     Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as useful
as a chocolate teacup! All the statistics quoted prove nothing - prove what the
authors want to prove - not reality.

     However, the Health Service is not utilising the most powerful form of
visual representation - hypnosis in the hands of a skilled therapist - this
therapy is the most effective when used by a skilled practitioner. My success
rate with smokers is 100%.

     All the Best

     Mel_,_._,___

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Actually Don, I believe with smoking, to get any withdrawal effects, you
would have to smoke 3 - 4 packs a day.  Any less than that, I doubt there
would be anything noticeable other than the stress of breaking the habit.

Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
President/CEO
Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
1-800-642-9339
1-(623) 853-9516
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Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 12:59 PM
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKhypno] Re: News: Smoking cessation claims "hyped"


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Mel Grant"
<melgrant@...> wrote:
> Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as
useful as a chocolate teacup!

That's exactly the point I've been making from the outset.  NRT is a
snake oil, mare's nest, chimera, bogus, mickey mouse, dodgy, made-up
therapy that doesn't work for peanuts.

I also dispute the role of the supposed withdrawal effects.  Although
I would hesitate to say they don't exist, they clearly do in some
cases.

I also dispute that smoking is an "addiction" that's mincing the
language.  Researchers just mean by that that it has withdrawal
effects in *some* cases.  But most people take "addiction" to mean
something much stronger, i.e., a "need" or "dependancy."
Nobody "needs" cigarettes, though.

What "withdrawal" effects do exist are probably no stronger than from
caffeine.  I know when I stopped drinking my 3 cappucinos a day I got
irritable and had a headache for about two days.  But nobody calls
coffee drinking an "addiction", that would seem like exaggeration and
if I said those effects made it impossible for me to quit people
would think that was a pretty lame excuse for a lack of motivation.

Best,

Don






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Mel, forgive me but . . . 100%?  I cannot believe you can get 100% of humans
to do anything.  People have been shot multiple times, fallen from great
heights and lived.  With humans, there is no 100% unless you talk about
being born and dying.  Even then, I'm not sure  :-)

While I agree with you about NRT,  I would like to know what criteria you
use to promote your success rate.  I'm not saying you might not be right
using whatever methods you use to measure.   I just am curious about your
follow on policy.  There is a guy here in Phoenix who says he has 100%
success with smokers.  When I asked what he based that on, he said, if they
don't light up when they leave his office, it was a success.  Not a real
good convincer for me.

Barney F. Howell, C.Ht.
President/CEO
Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
1-800-642-9339
1-(623) 853-9516
bfhowell@...
www.atwoodinstitute.org



   Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as useful
as a chocolate teacup! All the statistics quoted prove nothing - prove what
the authors want to prove - not reality.

   However, the Health Service is not utilising the most powerful form of
visual representation - hypnosis in the hands of a skilled therapist - this
therapy is the most effective when used by a skilled practitioner. My
success rate with smokers is 100%.

   All the Best

   Mel





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Don,

>>>>I also dispute the role of the supposed withdrawal effects. Although I would
hesitate to say they don't exist, they clearly do in some cases.<<<<

I have held this opinion for many years. I do, however, insist there is no
nicotine withdrawal symptoms. There are psychological withdrawal symptoms and,
again, these can be controlled completely with hypnotherapy. People mistake
thoughts for withdrawal symptoms - and that is all they are, just thoughts. If
people allow thoughts to have power over them they can suffer physical effects.
Using hypnosis I eliminate the power that thoughts have over my clients in
relation to smoking cessation.

My clients will often ask can I guarantee they will stop smoking. I reply that
when they leave my consulting room they will be non-smokers, have no withdrawal
symptoms, no desire, and no need to smoke, however, there was one time in their
life when they had no withdrawal symptoms, no desire, and no need to smoke and
that was before they ever smoked the first cigarette but they chose to have a
cigarette. I caution the clients that when they leave the will still have the
choice of lighting up.

>>>>I also dispute that smoking is an "addiction" that's mincing the language.
Researchers just mean by that that it has withdrawal effects in *some* cases.
But most people take "addiction" to mean something much stronger, i.e., a "need"
or "dependancy." Nobody "needs" cigarettes, though. <<<<

Again, I believe there is no such thing as addiction at all. When I see an
alcoholic at my practice the first thing I tell them to do is lose the label -
the label allows them to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their
action, "I can't help it, I'm an alcoloholic!" Giving the client back
responsibility is the first step towards self respect and sets them up to
cooperate with the remaining therapy. I am quite mercenary about this - a client
who is not willing to help themselves has no place in my consulting room.


>>>>What "withdrawal" effects do exist are probably no stronger than from
caffeine. I know when I stopped drinking my 3 cappucinos a day I got irritable
and had a headache for about two days. But nobody calls coffee drinking an
"addiction", that would seem like exaggeration and if I said those effects made
it impossible for me to quit people
would think that was a pretty lame excuse for a lack of motivation.<<<<

No stronger than the client giving thoughts power over them.

All the Best

Mel




----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Robertson
To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: [UKhypno] Re: News: Smoking cessation claims "hyped"

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Mel Grant"
<melgrant@...> wrote:
> Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as
useful as a chocolate teacup!

That's exactly the point I've been making from the outset. NRT is a
snake oil, mare's nest, chimera, bogus, mickey mouse, dodgy, made-up
therapy that doesn't work for peanuts.

I also dispute the role of the supposed withdrawal effects. Although
I would hesitate to say they don't exist, they clearly do in some
cases.

I also dispute that smoking is an "addiction" that's mincing the
language. Researchers just mean by that that it has withdrawal
effects in *some* cases. But most people take "addiction" to mean
something much stronger, i.e., a "need" or "dependancy."
Nobody "needs" cigarettes, though.

What "withdrawal" effects do exist are probably no stronger than from
caffeine. I know when I stopped drinking my 3 cappucinos a day I got
irritable and had a headache for about two days. But nobody calls
coffee drinking an "addiction", that would seem like exaggeration and
if I said those effects made it impossible for me to quit people
would think that was a pretty lame excuse for a lack of motivation.

Best,

Don


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Mel Grant"
<melgrant@...> wrote:
> Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as
useful as a chocolate teacup!

That's exactly the point I've been making from the outset.  NRT is a
snake oil, mare's nest, chimera, bogus, mickey mouse, dodgy, made-up
therapy that doesn't work for peanuts.

I also dispute the role of the supposed withdrawal effects.  Although
I would hesitate to say they don't exist, they clearly do in some
cases.

I also dispute that smoking is an "addiction" that's mincing the
language.  Researchers just mean by that that it has withdrawal
effects in *some* cases.  But most people take "addiction" to mean
something much stronger, i.e., a "need" or "dependancy."
Nobody "needs" cigarettes, though.

What "withdrawal" effects do exist are probably no stronger than from
caffeine.  I know when I stopped drinking my 3 cappucinos a day I got
irritable and had a headache for about two days.  But nobody calls
coffee drinking an "addiction", that would seem like exaggeration and
if I said those effects made it impossible for me to quit people
would think that was a pretty lame excuse for a lack of motivation.

Best,

Don

Hello Chaps,

Forgive me because I may be missing something here. NRT is about as useful as a
chocolate teacup! All the statistics quoted prove nothing - prove what the
authors want to prove - not reality.

I was in the doctors surgery the other day and the walls were covered with quit
smoking advice, mostly sponsored by drugs companies or the NHS, the posters were
using visual images to change peoples perception of the habit. I was in Worksop,
Nottingham, and there is a charity shop to help smokers stop smoking by running
a help line but if you telephone they will point you in the direction of NRT.
The NHS telephone help lines will also recommend NRT.

Television commercials promote NRT using strong visual images. However, the
Health Service is not utilising the most powerful form of visual representation
- hypnosis in the hands of a skilled therapist - this therapy is the most
effective when used by a skilled practitioner. My success rate with smokers is
100%. I tell them there is no such thing as nicotine withdrawal symptoms and
when this is re-enforced under hypnosis they leave my consulting room as
non-smokers. I had a lady telephone and asked me to help her because her doctor
wanted to reduce the strength of her patches - she had been struggling not to
smoke for the previous 2 months and thought if her patches strength was reduced
she would definitely start smoking again. When she left she was happy not to
wear any patches at all.

All the Best

Mel




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Dear Don

One way or another I think it's fair to say "NRT is not a patch on
hypnosis when it comes to quitting smoking!"

Best wishes

barry


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Donald Robertson"
<HypnoSynthesisUK@...> wrote:
>
> --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Thain"
> <bt@> wrote:
> > Dear Don, Here's what the study actually says. (I think you'll
like
> it!)
> > The net effective rate of NRT is 8% at 12 months and 4% over
the
> long haul.
>
> That's basically what I thought.  I think it's just a placebo
> though.  Any effect above control "placebos" is probably due to
the
> participants knowing that they are taking an active substance.  In
> other words, it seems these trials are not really "blind" as
research
> shows the subjects can reliably tell if they are getting actual
NRT
> or not from the sensations the nicotine causes.
>
> > Interestingly the studies in the beginning of the review period
> have much better results than those at the end. The most recent
> study, Yudin 2003, is also the largest involving 815 smokers.
> > The net effective rate of NRT is 3% at 12 months and 2% over
the
> long haul.
>
> Let me stick my neck out... here's a prediction.  One day someone
> will conduct a trial using a properly designed control group who
are
> given something that has an active chemical in it which causes
> similar sensations but has no nicotine and no known effects on
> smoking cravings.  There will be a 0% effect of NRT over this
control
> group.
>
> I don't think NRT is anything more than a glorified placebo and
I'm
> not surprised that (as I think I mentioned already) it's effects
seem
> to have decreased over time as the novelty wears off on society.
>
> So why do Quit and the NHS recommend it as the treatment of
choice???
>
>
> Best,
>
> Don
>

Don, I agree on the placebo point.  So why the NRT choice?  Follow the
money.  It people know it is possible to quit nicotine without NRT then they
begin to loose the hold on smokers who think they are addicted to the
nicotine.  One people know it is the habit, the pharmaceuticals loose out.
They have made and are making a lot of money on NRT.  It is strange that
here in Arizona, the state run tobacco cessation program will not even
consider doing any therapy that doesn't include NRT.  Follow the money!

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President/CEO
Atwood Institute for Research & Education, Inc.
501 E. Plaza Circle Dr. Ste 4
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--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Thain"
<bt@...> wrote:
> Dear Don, Here's what the study actually says. (I think you'll like
it!)
> The net effective rate of NRT is 8% at 12 months and 4% over the
long haul.

That's basically what I thought.  I think it's just a placebo
though.  Any effect above control "placebos" is probably due to the
participants knowing that they are taking an active substance.  In
other words, it seems these trials are not really "blind" as research
shows the subjects can reliably tell if they are getting actual NRT
or not from the sensations the nicotine causes.

> Interestingly the studies in the beginning of the review period
have much better results than those at the end. The most recent
study, Yudin 2003, is also the largest involving 815 smokers.
> The net effective rate of NRT is 3% at 12 months and 2% over the
long haul.

Let me stick my neck out... here's a prediction.  One day someone
will conduct a trial using a properly designed control group who are
given something that has an active chemical in it which causes
similar sensations but has no nicotine and no known effects on
smoking cravings.  There will be a 0% effect of NRT over this control
group.

I don't think NRT is anything more than a glorified placebo and I'm
not surprised that (as I think I mentioned already) it's effects seem
to have decreased over time as the novelty wears off on society.

So why do Quit and the NHS recommend it as the treatment of choice???


Best,

Don







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