Pardon my bad typing; it's damn cold here! The temperature has
dropped down to 20 F and my office is freezing. Oy!

Ron


--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Hubbard"
<hubbard_ron@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, what a lot of stuff you have written, Keith! But I have a
crappy
> old computer that crashes at the worst times, so I'll only address
> one ot rwo points.
>
> 1) Yes, I agree with you: the Oriental folks do understand so much
> about the body and brain-- especially compared to "modern medicine."
>
> They also know all about psi abilities: they call them Joriki. But
> they consider these abilities a distraction on the way to
> enlightenment. And maybe they are. But if you are one of the 12 to
15
> per cent (maybe more these days) of the world's population who has
> these talents, then what's needed is control-- ya can't say I'm
going
> to get rid of them--that would be like cuttting off one's left arm
or
> plucking out an eye.
>
> 2) Every culture (except this, a young one) has been aware that psi
> abilities exist although the names have varied. All cultures know
> of "second sight" and the gift of prophecy. "shamans," medicine
men,
> prophets-- whatever you want to call-- all have utilized those
gifts
> for the benefit of their people; such people were also highly
valued
> by their people. Only in this ass-backward culture are psychic
folks
> ignored, even shunned.
>
> 3. The scientific sytem is highly flawed and always has been. To
put
> faith into is-- As Mr. Spock would say-- illogical. IF any psis
could
> walk into a lab and do tricks for several hours, every day for
weeks,
> the scientific community would be forced to acknowledge psi
> abilities. But let's get real here: psi abilities are a
> biological/psycological process, that for the most part can't be
> flipped on like a transistor radio. Only to the most stupid of
> scientists would insist on continued "proof" while denying the
> obvious and the written reports that span ages.
>
> That's not only stupidty, it's willful ignorance.
>
> However, as I have said elsewhere, not all scientists have their
> heads of their asses when it coes to psi. Most of the military and
> intelligence agencies around the world have psi programs, and many
> scientists have had their own psychic experiences as well. There is
a
> considrable body of proof: yet those who say there isn't is either
> lying to themselves, or are ignorant of the facts and should just
the
> situation for themselves rather than toeing the line as so many
> scientists do.
>
>
> And lastly, 4) I have been precognitive ever since I was six and
the
> list of incidents would be way too long to list here. However, if
you
> should ever go the small grocery store on the edge of the
Washington-
> Oregon border, you'll find my picture on the Winners Wall as I have
> won over $3,000 playing the lottery-- but losing very little. I
used
> to win 1 out *every* 5 times I played before I got sick. Think
about
> that. How many people win the lottery even once?
>
> As it now stands, I *consistently* get two out of every three
lottery
> numbers-- night after night after night-- for the lasst twenty-two
> days; something that would be statistically impossible if psi
wasn't
> involved.
>
> The problem isthat I keep missing that third number, over and over
> again. My therapist thinks it may have to do with the way data is
> flowing through my brain-- corrupted by the fibro. We were working
on
> it before our session was rather rudely interrupted by outside
> agencies.
>
> Now, as the Bible says, there are none so blind as those who refuse
> to see. Right? ;-)
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bacon"
> <KeithBacon7@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> > 2008/12/14 Ron Hubbard <hubbard_ron@>:
> > > ... the mechanisms of what's
> > > involved in hypnosis hadn't been even remotely understood for a
> very
> > > long time, and even now, I don't know how many
> > > hypnotists/hypnotherapists really understand what goes on in
the
> brain
> > > when hypnosis is brought into play.
> > .....
> > > There's a schism: the hypnotists don't care about the
> physiological
> > > aspects nor do the neurologists care about what happens with
> hypnosis-
> >
> > I actually think the ancient yogi/buddhists probably understand
this
> > stuff better that anyone. If you are very internally sensitive
you
> > can learn a lot about how we work - psychologically and physically
> > (actually psycho-physically as at a certain depth there is no
> > seperation (but maybe they seperate again at a greater depth..).
> > A neurologist is different from a yogi in the same way that a
> > mathematician who has equations explaining harmonics is different
> from
> > a conductor who makes an orchestra great. One job is pure science
> the
> > other is intuition and 'empirical science'. There is a continuum
> > between these poles and hypnotherapy is in the middle of it.
> >
> > > Then you add in the psi aspects and most people tune out.
> > As I do!
> >
> > > But just because you don't want to believe in something, that
> does not
> > > make reality untrue.
> > Hmmmmm! Just because you experience something or other people
> > experience it and tell you about it doesn't make it true either!
It
> > may feel like truth but many of our feelings are not reliable.
> >
> > > There *are* people who have demonstrated telekinesis
> > > while-- and only while-- under hypnosis.
> > OK where's the proof? Exceptional proof required for such
> exceptional
> > claims please. Currently it seems to me if such things exist
they
> are
> > so weak or useless that they can't be simply proved.
> >
> > > there are many
> > > mainstream scientists who don't tow the line and believe in psi
> > > abilities whether they can be proven in a lab or not.
> >
> > I am very interested in this business of belief and strange
things -
> > as I have strange belifs myself. My current conclusions are:-
> > 1 - Only a small percentage of humans are able to remove or
change a
> > belief in the face of evidence.
> >
> > 2 - Most people need to have explanations of things which can't be
> > understood by them. So there is much superstitious belief about.
So
> > many of these beliefs have been rolled back by modern science
that I
> > regard it as highly likely many current common beliefs will be
> > delusory. The are many written claims 'proving' things that fall
> apart
> > under scutiny - the UFO & psi press is like this. If there are
> genuine
> > events they are rare and lost in the 'noise' of nonsense.
> >
> > 3 - I have personal experience of things which most people think
are
> > scientifically impossible. Their beliefs are not scientific -
they
> are
> > 'faith based' - they have an excessive faith that science can
> explain
> > everything eventually. My experiences are personal and I cant
prove
> > their validity to sceptics and people who will not try to gain the
> > same experiences I have had.
> >
> > 4 - Most people that have had the same 'mystic' (horrible word but
> > romantic!) experiences interpret them very differently than me -
so
> > there may be doubt that we have actually have shared the
experience.
> >
> > 5 - As there is so little external support for my interpretation
of
> my
> > experiences I must doubt them.
> >
> > Q - So what is certain then?
> > A - Not much that matters!
> >
> > Q - Is that a problem?
> > A - No it is a huge benefit if you can 'realise' this. The urge to
> > 'understand' what can't be understood and the urge to 'construct a
> > reality' that is more exciting and 'firm' than the mundaneness of
> the
> > 'shallow reality' that forms naturally in the mind of a person
> subject
> > to the stresses of 'civilised' life is a big problem. This problem
> > manifests as an over-excited nervous system, huge amounts of
> > unreleased muscle tension & generalised impairment of all the
bodies
> > systems - resulting in all sorts of health problems.
> >
> > So here's a belief for you Ron - I believe if you addressed the
> above
> > issues your Fibromyalgia would go away! And the strength of your
> > beliefs would wane as you lost muscle tension in the torso.
> > What a strange belief I have! And no evidence to back it up. So I
> > would not expect you to believe the same.
> >
> > I also believe a hypnotherapist that takes money off you to
> cultivate
> > your psi abilities should offer you a full refund if you dont get
a
> > clear demonstrable result from it. Many of my yogi colleagues
claim
> > 'psi' experiences but I can't see what benefit they get except a
> sense
> > of being part of something special - which I take as a sign their
> ego
> > plays a bigger part in their workings than they think! Either
that
> or
> > they are further down the path than me - I don't know.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Keith.
> > PS If you win the lottery shortly I may be in for some serious
> doubting....
> > PPS I believe there are subtle ways we influence each others
systems
> > which are well beyond current science. 'Mirror' neurons triggered
> > visually are known to science but I think all our known senses
> > probably participate in 'mirroring'. And our elecro-magnetic
fields
> > might and maybe there is even more...... This influencing
anothers
> > system thru mirroring gets interpreted as 'energy' chanelling as
it
> > was by the mesmerists.
> >
> > PPPPPPPPS But I still don't believe in 'meaningful' long range
> > instantaneous communication!
> >
>