--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, Tom <blackmonk@...>
wrote:
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> > To: hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com> From:
hubbard_ron@...> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:39:27 +0000> Subject:
[UKhypno] Re: Hypnotism or Mesmerism> > > It's not just the
scientific community, but they lead the way due to > a flawed way of
looking at things: to them, if a thing can't be > repeated in a lab
and written up in a journal, therefore it doesn't > exist. To any
other rational person, that's horse manure: a thing can > or cannot
exist becaause it does irrespective of whether any > scientist
believes in it.>
>
> "Can't be repeated in a lab" and "scientists don't believe in it"
are two different things.
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> Suppose I told you that, for instance, an object doesn't exist if
it has no physical substance and you said that objects can exist
whether I believe in them or not. That's true, but those objects that
exist without my belief still have physical substance.

I'm glad I took debate classes or I would get drowned in that morass
of non sequitors. It's amazing how far people will go to not
acknowledge something that frightens them or shakes their belief
system.



> > > That said, I'm rather fortunate that I live in Oregon where so
many > people are open to psi: doctors, nurses, psychologists, and
most > people on the streets.
>
> A doctor in Oregon recently killed someone I was very close to
through incompetence. I don't consider "doctors in Oregon believe in
it" to be a high reccomendation.

Yeah... doctors kill people through incompetence *everywhere,* but I
wasn't making any "recommendations" but stating a simple fact: that
folks-- and particularly, those professionals who have traditionally
been known to reject all aspects of psi-- are more open-minded to the
subject here.

I can tell my doctor about something weired that might have happened
and not have to worry that they think I'm a lunatic; I can go to a
therapist-- any kind of therapist for just about any reason-- and
find myself discussing psi abilities and other related topics in a
rational way, with rational people who don't reject it out of hand
because such things aren't confirmed by the scientific elite. These
people think for themselves... something more people should do.

Ron