Wow, what a lot of stuff you have written, Keith! But I have a crappy
old computer that crashes at the worst times, so I'll only address
one ot rwo points.

1) Yes, I agree with you: the Oriental folks do understand so much
about the body and brain-- especially compared to "modern medicine."

They also know all about psi abilities: they call them Joriki. But
they consider these abilities a distraction on the way to
enlightenment. And maybe they are. But if you are one of the 12 to 15
per cent (maybe more these days) of the world's population who has
these talents, then what's needed is control-- ya can't say I'm going
to get rid of them--that would be like cuttting off one's left arm or
plucking out an eye.

2) Every culture (except this, a young one) has been aware that psi
abilities exist although the names have varied. All cultures know
of "second sight" and the gift of prophecy. "shamans," medicine men,
prophets-- whatever you want to call-- all have utilized those gifts
for the benefit of their people; such people were also highly valued
by their people. Only in this ass-backward culture are psychic folks
ignored, even shunned.

3. The scientific sytem is highly flawed and always has been. To put
faith into is-- As Mr. Spock would say-- illogical. IF any psis could
walk into a lab and do tricks for several hours, every day for weeks,
the scientific community would be forced to acknowledge psi
abilities. But let's get real here: psi abilities are a
biological/psycological process, that for the most part can't be
flipped on like a transistor radio. Only to the most stupid of
scientists would insist on continued "proof" while denying the
obvious and the written reports that span ages.

That's not only stupidty, it's willful ignorance.

However, as I have said elsewhere, not all scientists have their
heads of their asses when it coes to psi. Most of the military and
intelligence agencies around the world have psi programs, and many
scientists have had their own psychic experiences as well. There is a
considrable body of proof: yet those who say there isn't is either
lying to themselves, or are ignorant of the facts and should just the
situation for themselves rather than toeing the line as so many
scientists do.


And lastly, 4) I have been precognitive ever since I was six and the
list of incidents would be way too long to list here. However, if you
should ever go the small grocery store on the edge of the Washington-
Oregon border, you'll find my picture on the Winners Wall as I have
won over $3,000 playing the lottery-- but losing very little. I used
to win 1 out *every* 5 times I played before I got sick. Think about
that. How many people win the lottery even once?

As it now stands, I *consistently* get two out of every three lottery
numbers-- night after night after night-- for the lasst twenty-two
days; something that would be statistically impossible if psi wasn't
involved.

The problem isthat I keep missing that third number, over and over
again. My therapist thinks it may have to do with the way data is
flowing through my brain-- corrupted by the fibro. We were working on
it before our session was rather rudely interrupted by outside
agencies.

Now, as the Bible says, there are none so blind as those who refuse
to see. Right? ;-)

Ron








--- In hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Bacon"
<KeithBacon7@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> 2008/12/14 Ron Hubbard <hubbard_ron@...>:
> > ... the mechanisms of what's
> > involved in hypnosis hadn't been even remotely understood for a
very
> > long time, and even now, I don't know how many
> > hypnotists/hypnotherapists really understand what goes on in the
brain
> > when hypnosis is brought into play.
> .....
> > There's a schism: the hypnotists don't care about the
physiological
> > aspects nor do the neurologists care about what happens with
hypnosis-
>
> I actually think the ancient yogi/buddhists probably understand this
> stuff better that anyone. If you are very internally sensitive you
> can learn a lot about how we work - psychologically and physically
> (actually psycho-physically as at a certain depth there is no
> seperation (but maybe they seperate again at a greater depth..).
> A neurologist is different from a yogi in the same way that a
> mathematician who has equations explaining harmonics is different
from
> a conductor who makes an orchestra great. One job is pure science
the
> other is intuition and 'empirical science'. There is a continuum
> between these poles and hypnotherapy is in the middle of it.
>
> > Then you add in the psi aspects and most people tune out.
> As I do!
>
> > But just because you don't want to believe in something, that
does not
> > make reality untrue.
> Hmmmmm! Just because you experience something or other people
> experience it and tell you about it doesn't make it true either! It
> may feel like truth but many of our feelings are not reliable.
>
> > There *are* people who have demonstrated telekinesis
> > while-- and only while-- under hypnosis.
> OK where's the proof? Exceptional proof required for such
exceptional
> claims please. Currently it seems to me if such things exist they
are
> so weak or useless that they can't be simply proved.
>
> > there are many
> > mainstream scientists who don't tow the line and believe in psi
> > abilities whether they can be proven in a lab or not.
>
> I am very interested in this business of belief and strange things -
> as I have strange belifs myself. My current conclusions are:-
> 1 - Only a small percentage of humans are able to remove or change a
> belief in the face of evidence.
>
> 2 - Most people need to have explanations of things which can't be
> understood by them. So there is much superstitious belief about. So
> many of these beliefs have been rolled back by modern science that I
> regard it as highly likely many current common beliefs will be
> delusory. The are many written claims 'proving' things that fall
apart
> under scutiny - the UFO & psi press is like this. If there are
genuine
> events they are rare and lost in the 'noise' of nonsense.
>
> 3 - I have personal experience of things which most people think are
> scientifically impossible. Their beliefs are not scientific - they
are
> 'faith based' - they have an excessive faith that science can
explain
> everything eventually. My experiences are personal and I cant prove
> their validity to sceptics and people who will not try to gain the
> same experiences I have had.
>
> 4 - Most people that have had the same 'mystic' (horrible word but
> romantic!) experiences interpret them very differently than me - so
> there may be doubt that we have actually have shared the experience.
>
> 5 - As there is so little external support for my interpretation of
my
> experiences I must doubt them.
>
> Q - So what is certain then?
> A - Not much that matters!
>
> Q - Is that a problem?
> A - No it is a huge benefit if you can 'realise' this. The urge to
> 'understand' what can't be understood and the urge to 'construct a
> reality' that is more exciting and 'firm' than the mundaneness of
the
> 'shallow reality' that forms naturally in the mind of a person
subject
> to the stresses of 'civilised' life is a big problem. This problem
> manifests as an over-excited nervous system, huge amounts of
> unreleased muscle tension & generalised impairment of all the bodies
> systems - resulting in all sorts of health problems.
>
> So here's a belief for you Ron - I believe if you addressed the
above
> issues your Fibromyalgia would go away! And the strength of your
> beliefs would wane as you lost muscle tension in the torso.
> What a strange belief I have! And no evidence to back it up. So I
> would not expect you to believe the same.
>
> I also believe a hypnotherapist that takes money off you to
cultivate
> your psi abilities should offer you a full refund if you dont get a
> clear demonstrable result from it. Many of my yogi colleagues claim
> 'psi' experiences but I can't see what benefit they get except a
sense
> of being part of something special - which I take as a sign their
ego
> plays a bigger part in their workings than they think! Either that
or
> they are further down the path than me - I don't know.
>
> Good luck,
> Keith.
> PS If you win the lottery shortly I may be in for some serious
doubting....
> PPS I believe there are subtle ways we influence each others systems
> which are well beyond current science. 'Mirror' neurons triggered
> visually are known to science but I think all our known senses
> probably participate in 'mirroring'. And our elecro-magnetic fields
> might and maybe there is even more...... This influencing anothers
> system thru mirroring gets interpreted as 'energy' chanelling as it
> was by the mesmerists.
>
> PPPPPPPPS But I still don't believe in 'meaningful' long range
> instantaneous communication!
>