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Re: Hypnotism or Mesmerism

> From another thread Ron has been asking us to accept that certain
psi
> abilities under hypnosis have been tested. As a curious and
investigative
> bunch, I'm sure we would be interested to here where we can read
about the
> research processes and results, Ron. Could you let us all know?

Duncan, I'm tempted to say thatt there is a rift between the
scientific community and the psi community-- and whether anyone knows
it or not-- there *is* a psi community. With over 720 million people
with some form
of wild talents, that doesn't go unnoticed. But often it does go
unaccepted.

It's not just the scientific community, but they lead the way due to
a flawed way of looking at things: to them, if a thing can't be
repeated in a lab and written up in a journal, therefore it doesn't
exist. To any other rational person, that's horse manure: a thing can
or cannot exist becaause it does irrespective of whether any
scientist believes in it.

Psi abilities do work, and that is the other side of the coin: that
fact scares a lot of people. Even if it's on some dark and primitive
level, such abilities scare a lot of people and they don't want to
know about, don't want to believe in them, and won't accept them.
Unfortunately, many scientists are in this group and hide their fears
behind the "scientific method."

That said, I'm rather fortunate that I live in Oregon where so many
people are open to psi: doctors, nurses, psychologists, and most
people on the streets. As example, some years ago I was in a
bookstore when a whole row of books suddenly-- and literally-- jumped
off of the shelf. A woman looked at, looked at me and smiled; she
said "somebody is trying to tell you something" and walked on as if
that was the most natural thing she ever saw.

Fortunately my hypnotherapist is also psi-gifted and open to new
ideas and concepts in both hypnosis and medicine. She helped me a lot
with my fibromyalgia. But now, it seems that that problem is still
interfering with my life, keeping some of my abilities from working
for me when I need them to. We had a session-- which she didn't
charge me for-- to help alleviate that problem, but unfortunately it
was interrupted before we could make any progress. With a little
luck, I might be able to schedule another appointment next week-- but
right now, the weather here is terrible.

Ron








Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:39 am

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