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Re: [UKhypno] Re: Hypnotism or Mesmerism

2008/12/15 Donald Robertson <HypnoSynthesisUK@...>:
> Franz Mesmer ... believed that he was channelling an invisible
> energy from outer space, through his body, and into the body of the
> subject. Mesmer therefore believed that the effects he perceived,
> therapeutic improvement, muscular seizures, emotional "crises", etc.,
> were mainly due to his power rather than to the belief or
> expectation, etc., of the client.

Its so great to read this again - it should be on poster boards around
the land!
I explore various alternative things when I can and it amazes me that
when a person is guided to some sort of altered psycho-physical state
by a healer or yogi or 'energy chaneller' they are so impressed that
they believe the 'healers' explanation of what is going on and parrot
it for the rest of their lives. Even to the point that they believe
conflicting explanations simultaneously.
They have no awareness that their unfamiliar state change tends to
confuse and 'open' their mind and makes them very suggestible. It
seems that the majority of humans have 2 'flaws'
1 - They prefer a 'spiritual energy' explanation (lke Mesmer's above)
over a 'scientific' explanation of the form 'We aren't sure how this
works but much experience and experimentation has shown that it does'.
2 - They will take to the first explanation they are given and not
modify their belief in the light of evidence or alternatives.

I think these 2 'flaws' are what allows much of the 'alternative
health' industry to flourish. Another common 'flaw' is that people
will spend money on all sorts of things and dont seem able to
rationally study their own self well enough to notice that they get no
real benefit from so much of what they spend their money on!

Keith.



Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:28 am

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So what is the difference between hypnotism and mesmerism? Are they the same thing? If they are different, how? Can anyone answer? Does anyone know? Is being...
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Dec 15, 2008
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... Mesmerism and hypnotism are definitely not the same thing. Hypnotism developed out of Mesmerism being debunked. People frequently confuse the two things...
Donald Robertson
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Dec 15, 2008
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... Its so great to read this again - it should be on poster boards around the land! I explore various alternative things when I can and it amazes me that when...
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Dec 15, 2008
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... To be fair, most people don't have backgrounds in neurology, psychology, and medicine to make informed decisions; they have to go by what the so-called...
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Dec 16, 2008
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In a message dated 15/12/2008 11:28:23A.M. GMT Standard Time, keithbacon7@... writes: I think these 2 'flaws' are what allows much of the...
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... It is so rare to hear of a western 'pioneer' of these things giving praise to eastern things! There is a lot of western 're-discovery' of ancient things...
Keith Bacon
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Dec 16, 2008
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... An easy answer is:- ... yes! Anything to do with altered mental or psycho-physical states deals with internal experiences which are open to subjective...
Keith Bacon
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Dec 15, 2008
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To move ever so slightly off-thread...but it does relate to the public perceptions of hypnotherapy...I have two tales to tell. A few weeks ago I was buying my...
Duncan Gunn
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... psi ... investigative ... about the ... Duncan, I'm tempted to say thatt there is a rift between the scientific community and the psi community-- and...
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... "Can't be repeated in a lab" and "scientists don't believe in it" are two different things. Suppose I told you that, for instance, an object doesn't exist...
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... hubbard_ron@...> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:39:27 +0000> Subject: [UKhypno] Re: Hypnotism or Mesmerism> > > It's not just the scientific community, but they...
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... From: "Ron Hubbard" <hubbard_ron@...> To: <hypnosis-hypnotherapy-UK@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:13 PM Subject: [UKhypno]...
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... was under the impression that personal attacks weren't allowed on this list. I wasn't sure whether, as moderator, to allow your own post through as it...
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