I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand name is

not the best choice.

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

<hottubken4fun@...> wrote:

>

> I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand name is

> not the best choice.

>

And what is something you are promoting this week?...How novel....

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

<hottubken4fun@...> wrote:

>

> I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand name is

> not the best choice.

>

Please not another Haven scam artist...why don't you slither back to

your rock and pray for mercy for your soul....or at least have the

stones to be open and upfront about what you do...and who you are tied

to....

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@...>

wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

> <hottubken4fun@> wrote:

> >

> > I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand name

is

> > not the best choice.

> >

> Please not another Haven scam artist...why don't you slither back to

> your rock and pray for mercy for your soul....or at least have the

> stones to be open and upfront about what you do...and who you are

tied

> to....

>

Why is everybody afraid of Haven Spas? They have an excellent

reputation for quality and customer loyalty.  Maybe it is because they

are so good that hot tub sales guys, like you hate them so much.

I mean this with no intended disrespect but That's laughable and if

you had any real insight you would be embarrassed by such a totally

ignorant statement. Haven spas are nothing more than re-branded and

reworked Phoenix spas that are mediocre at best. Let me say this I

wish the folks at Phoenix all the best and hope they can make though

this trying times. They seem like nice people in speaking to them and

looking at their product at trade shows. Haven spas are nothing more

than what "snake oil" salesmen of the old west were.



--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra" <sandy@...> wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@>

> wrote:

> >

> > --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

> > <hottubken4fun@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand

name

> is

> > > not the best choice.

> > >

> > Please not another Haven scam artist...why don't you slither back

to

> > your rock and pray for mercy for your soul....or at least have

the

> > stones to be open and upfront about what you do...and who you are

> tied

> > to....

> >

> Why is everybody afraid of Haven Spas? They have an excellent

> reputation for quality and customer loyalty.  Maybe it is because

they

> are so good that hot tub sales guys, like you hate them so much.

>

> Why is everybody afraid of Haven Spas? They have an excellent

> reputation for quality and customer loyalty.  Maybe it is because

they

> are so good that hot tub sales guys, like you hate them so much.

>





As I stated, I don't really don't know a lot about the tubs

themselves, but the owner is renowned on the internet for being an

out of control jerk. I have saved email messages from him that would

lead most Physcologist to believe they were written by a mad man with

severe mental difficulties. Also he has been banned by most every

independent spa forum.



In case you aren't as familiar with the internet as I am, most forums

are not wide open where free speech rules apply. As the creator of

this group, I choose what goes on here and based on guilt by

association if you want to promote this man or his company you are

not welcome here. Feel free to start your own group and serve your

koolaid there. PS, I am not invovled in the spa industry in any

manner and if Jim wants to attack me personally which is usually the

next step, he knows where to find me.  Goodbye to the disciples.

Are the same Sandy who happens to be married to the owner of Haven

spas if so....I highly doubt you have integrity to admit it.



--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra" <sandy@...> wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@>

> wrote:

> >

> > --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

> > <hottubken4fun@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand

name

> is

> > > not the best choice.

> > >

> > Please not another Haven scam artist...why don't you slither back

to

> > your rock and pray for mercy for your soul....or at least have

the

> > stones to be open and upfront about what you do...and who you are

> tied

> > to....

> >

> Why is everybody afraid of Haven Spas? They have an excellent

> reputation for quality and customer loyalty.  Maybe it is because

they

> are so good that hot tub sales guys, like you hate them so much.

>

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@...>

wrote:

>

> Are the same Sandy who happens to be married to the owner of Haven

> spas if so....I highly doubt you have integrity to admit it.

>



It was here email address, but it could have been numbnuts himself

using her email address. I thought he had given up on hot tubs and was

concentrating on that crap he calls music.

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bmccall@...> wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Are the same Sandy who happens to be married to the owner of Haven

> > spas if so....I highly doubt you have integrity to admit it.

> >

>

> It was here email address, but it could have been numbnuts himself

> using her email address. I thought he had given up on hot tubs and

was

> concentrating on that crap he calls music.

>





I think this was the last hottub internet resource that those clowns

have not invaded.  I will close this group down if keeping them out

becomes too difficult.

Suprise...Surprise ....Surpise....It is never ending...You know it

would not be such a big deal if they would just come clean about who

they are, as they are not the innocent doves with pure hearts and

intentions as they portray themselves to be. They never admit that

they sell haven and have a very direct interest and bias in the

slanted views they share. Not to mention that most of what is said is

all horse poo to began with.





-- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bmccall@...> wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "starsoff101" <starsoff101@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Are the same Sandy who happens to be married to the owner of

Haven

> > spas if so....I highly doubt you have integrity to admit it.

> >

>

> It was here email address, but it could have been numbnuts himself

> using her email address. I thought he had given up on hot tubs and

was

> concentrating on that crap he calls music.

>

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

<hottubken4fun@...> wrote:

>

> I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand name is

> not the best choice.

>





A pretty outlandish first statement here in the group. It does suggest

you have an agenda. Care to enlighten us on what it is, or what you are

promoting?



I do hope its not Haven as someone else suggested. But I am curious to

know.  I have no bias against any brand name big or small. Now bias

against the owner of one company, lets call it Shaven, is another

story.

No one mentions haven unless they a tie to them

--- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bmccall@...> wrote:

>

> --- In hottubowners@yahoogroups.com, "hottubken4fun"

> <hottubken4fun@> wrote:

> >

> > I've worked in the spa industry since 1978.....buying a brand

name is

> > not the best choice.

> >

>

>

> A pretty outlandish first statement here in the group. It does

suggest

> you have an agenda. Care to enlighten us on what it is, or what you

are

> promoting?

>

> I do hope its not Haven as someone else suggested. But I am curious

to

> know.  I have no bias against any brand name big or small. Now bias

> against the owner of one company, lets call it Shaven, is another

> story.

>

Way to go, Bill!!!!  I don't want them here, either!!! Go away!!!  Disciples of

the ogre are not welcome!!!









________________________________

From: Bill <bmccall@...>

To: hottubowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 2:49:14 PM

Subject: [hottubowners] Re: Brand name





> Why is everybody afraid of Haven Spas? They have an excellent

> reputation for quality and customer loyalty.  Maybe it is because

they

> are so good that hot tub sales guys, like you hate them so much.

>



As I stated, I don't really don't know a lot about the tubs

themselves, but the owner is renowned on the internet for being an

out of control jerk. I have saved email messages from him that would

lead most Physcologist to believe they were written by a mad man with

severe mental difficulties. Also he has been banned by most every

independent spa forum.



In case you aren't as familiar with the internet as I am, most forums

are not wide open where free speech rules apply. As the creator of

this group, I choose what goes on here and based on guilt by

association if you want to promote this man or his company you are

not welcome here. Feel free to start your own group and serve your

koolaid there. PS, I am not invovled in the spa industry in any

manner and if Jim wants to attack me personally which is usually the

next step, he knows where to find me.  Goodbye to the disciples.













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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH



I am on the verge of quitting this group.  Who needs all the bickering?











From: hottubowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hottubowners@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of lori gonzalez

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:20 PM

To: hottubowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [hottubowners] Re: Brand name















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Hello again Lori, I was wondering if I might here from you before the Fiesta

Bowl.   I think you guys should win this one.











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I don't know how this was sent "On behalf of lori gonzalez"!  It was not sent on

my behalf!  You must be a disciple.









________________________________

From: Michael J <michaelj7@...>

To: hottubowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 8:59:41 PM

Subject: RE: [hottubowners] Re: Brand name





ENOUGH IS ENOUGH



I am on the verge of quitting this group.  Who needs all the bickering?



From: hottubowners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hottubowners@ yahoogroups. com] On

Behalf Of lori gonzalez

Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:20 PM

To: hottubowners@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [hottubowners] Re: Brand name



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Aww!  Thanks!!  You didn't get my previous email??  I sent you one right after

the announcement (literally)!!!  ;-)  I think it should be a very good game! 

I'm sure it will be a fight!  Whoever does win, they will earn it!!!  I just

hate that the arrogant Sooners are in the BCS championship game!  But, that is

the way it goes!!!



I was excited they were matched up again, I really do think it will be an

incredible game!!!



Hope all is well with you guys!  Everything here is great, I am going back to

get my masters's degree, finally!  So let me tell you, the tub has been a great

reliever of that stress!!!!!  ;-)













________________________________

From: Bill McCall <bmccall@...>

To: hottubowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2009 8:04:00 AM

Subject: RE: [hottubowners] Re: Brand name





Hello again Lori, I was wondering if I might here from you before the Fiesta

Bowl.   I think you guys should win this one.



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