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#2943 From: Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 12:14 am
Subject: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		marya_deblasi
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I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me that chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms.  Should I be avoiding chicory?  How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?
Marya


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#2944 From: "Jasper Lawrence" <jascallaw@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 3:19 am
Subject: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		jascallaw
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I very much doubt it.



If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic properties

it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the invention

of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as the first in

the mid 50's, would not have necessary.



Chicory is widely eaten, and yet people all over the world still have worms.

Ditto for lettuce.



I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless perhaps you are planning

on eating five pounds of it at one sitting or something.



The same principle applies to anything you might ordinarily eat. The exceptions

might be in unusually concentrated forms, or extracts, or traditional herbal

remedies.



But a food, I don't think so.



Jasper



--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>

wrote:

>

> I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought

that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me that

chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms.  Should I be avoiding chicory? 

How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?

> Marya

>


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#2946 From: "marc_dellerba" <marc@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:47 am
Subject: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		marc_dellerba
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The only thing I have not eaten here is dandelion, you should have no problems

at all.



Marc



--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>

wrote:

>

> I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought

that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me that

chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms.  Should I be avoiding chicory? 

How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?

> Marya

>


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#2947 From: Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		marya_deblasi
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What of this from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicory#Use_and_toxicity

Use and toxicity

According to traditional folklore, long-term use of chicory as a coffee substitute may damage human retinal tissue, with dimming of vision over time and other long term effects.[9] Modern scientific literature contains little or no evidence to support or refute this claim.

Root chicory contains volatile oils similar to those found in plants in the related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy, and is likewise effective at eliminating intestinal worms. All parts of the plant contain these volatile oils, with the majority of the toxic components concentrated in the plant's root. [10]

Chicory is well known for its toxicity to internal parasites. Studies indicate that ingestion of chicory by farm animals results in reduction of worm burdens,[11] [12] [13] which has prompted its widespread use as a forage supplement. There are only a few major companies active in research, development, and production of chicory varieties and selections. Most of them are in New Zealand. Chicory root extract is high in inulin, and used as a high-fiber dietary supplement.



  1. ^ A Modern Herbal. New York: Dover Publications. 1931fs. ISBN 0486227987 & 0486227995. 
  2. ^ Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, Gregory L. Tilford, ISBN 0-87842-359-1
  3. ^ "Individual administration of three tanniferous forage plants to lambs artificially infected with Haemonchus contortus and Cooperia curticei.". Vet Parasitol. 146 (1-2): 123–34. 2007-05-15. doi:10.1016/j.vetpar.2007.01.009. PMID : 17336459. 
  4. ^ "The use of chicory for parasite control in organic ewes and their lambs.". Parasitology. 134 (Pt 2): 299–307. February 2007. doi:10.1017/S0031182006001363. PMID : 17032469. 
  5. ^ "The effect of chicory ( Cichorium intybus ) and sulla ( Hedysarum coronarium ) on larval development and mucosal cell responses of growing lambs challenged with Teladorsagia circumcincta.". Parasitology. 132 (Pt 3): 419–26. March 2006. doi:10.1017/S0031182005009194. PMID : 16332288.


--- On Sun, 7/5/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...> wrote:

From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...>
Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms
To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:19 PM

I very much doubt it.

If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the invention of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as the first in the mid 50's, would not have necessary.

Chicory is widely eaten, and yet people all over the world still have worms. Ditto for lettuce.

I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless perhaps you are planning on eating five pounds of it at one sitting or something.

The same principle applies to anything you might ordinarily eat. The exceptions might be in unusually concentrated forms, or extracts, or traditional herbal remedies.

But a food, I don't think so.

Jasper

--- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@ ...> wrote:
>
> I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought that they would be good for me to eat. Someone today, however, told me that chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms. Should I be avoiding chicory? How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?
> Marya
>



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#2948 From: "Jasper Lawrence" <jascallaw@...>
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		jascallaw
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It is related to what I mentioned earlier, unless you eat a lot of chicory I

doubt it will have an affect.



Marc has eaten it, and he still has his worms.



For cattle they are probably eating large quantities relatively, but if you are

worried about it don't eat or drink foods with chicory in them or minimize the

amount you eat at any one time or during the course of any one week.



I don't drink chicory coffee substitutes, the last time I did I was a child in

the UK. As to eating the greens in salads the quantities are very small.



We have eaten chicory a few times in the last two years on salads according to

Michelle. But I have not lost my worms accidentally, ever. The only time

Michelle did it was clearly related to aerosol whipped cream and the nitrous

oxide propellant.



That episode illustrates the issue here clearly. I too ate some whipped cream at

the same time, but not much. My worms were fine, thankfully.



If however you regularly eat large quantities of the leaf or root it probably

will have an impact based on the reference below.



But again, if the effect were strong it would be commonly used as a folk remedy

or recommended by doctors.



--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>

wrote:

>

> What of this from Wikipedia

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicory#Use_and_toxicity

>

> Use and toxicity

> According to traditional folklore, long-term use of chicory as a

> coffee substitute may damage human retinal tissue, with dimming of

> vision over time and other long term effects.[9] Modern scientific literature

contains little or no evidence to support or refute this claim.

> Root chicory contains volatile oils similar to those found in plants in the

related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy,

> and is likewise effective at eliminating intestinal worms. All parts of

> the plant contain these volatile oils, with the majority of the toxic

> components concentrated in the plant's root. [10]

> Chicory is well known for its toxicity to internal parasites.

> Studies indicate that ingestion of chicory by farm animals results in

> reduction of worm burdens,[11] [12] [13]

> which has prompted its widespread use as a forage supplement. There are

> only a few major companies active in research, development, and

> production of chicory varieties and selections. Most of them are in New

> Zealand. Chicory root extract is high in inulin, and used as a high-fiber

dietary supplement.

>

> ^ A Modern Herbal. New York: Dover Publications. 1931fs. ISBN 0486227987 &

0486227995. ^ Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, Gregory L. Tilford, ISBN

0-87842-359-1^ "Individual

> administration of three tanniferous forage plants to lambs artificially

> infected with Haemonchus contortus and Cooperia curticei.". Vet Parasitol. 146

(1-2): 123â€"34. 2007-05-15. doi:10.1016/j.vetpar.2007.01.009. PMID :

17336459. ^ "The use of chicory for parasite control in organic ewes and their

lambs.". Parasitology. 134 (Pt 2): 299â€"307. February 2007.

doi:10.1017/S0031182006001363. PMID : 17032469. ^ "The

> effect of chicory ( Cichorium intybus ) and sulla ( Hedysarum

> coronarium ) on larval development and mucosal cell responses of

> growing lambs challenged with Teladorsagia circumcincta.". Parasitology. 132

(Pt 3): 419â€"26. March 2006. doi:10.1017/S0031182005009194. PMID : 16332288.

>

> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...> wrote:

>

> From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...>

> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms

> To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:19 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>       I very much doubt it.

>

>

>

> If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic

properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the

invention of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as

the first in the mid 50's, would not have necessary.

>

>

>

> Chicory is widely eaten, and yet people all over the world still have worms.

Ditto for lettuce.

>

>

>

> I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless perhaps you are

planning on eating five pounds of it at one sitting or something.

>

>

>

> The same principle applies to anything you might ordinarily eat. The

exceptions might be in unusually concentrated forms, or extracts, or traditional

herbal remedies.

>

>

>

> But a food, I don't think so.

>

>

>

> Jasper

>

>

>

> --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought

that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me that

chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms.  Should I be avoiding chicory? 

How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?

>

> > Marya

>

> >

>


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#2949 From: Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
Date: Tue Jul 7, 2009 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		marya_deblasi
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I suppose that is the salient point, that you haven't lost your worms accidentally - ever.  We here out on the worm frontier, don't know where we are in relation to the border at any given moment, when we will fall of the edge. 

That there is a guarantee, should we loose our worms they will be replaced,  is abstract comfort, as, most days, we can hardly convince ourselves we have what we can't see.  I am sure many of will be following in Deb's foot steps and buying a microscope, not because we want or need to cultivate hook worm, but to occasionally look at the evidence; "Ah there they are, it is not a coincidence that I've managed to stay out of the hospital after all."

Marya


--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...> wrote:

From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...>
Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms
To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:04 PM

It is related to what I mentioned earlier, unless you eat a lot of chicory I doubt it will have an affect.

Marc has eaten it, and he still has his worms.

For cattle they are probably eating large quantities relatively, but if you are worried about it don't eat or drink foods with chicory in them or minimize the amount you eat at any one time or during the course of any one week.

I don't drink chicory coffee substitutes, the last time I did I was a child in the UK. As to eating the greens in salads the quantities are very small.

We have eaten chicory a few times in the last two years on salads according to Michelle. But I have not lost my worms accidentally, ever. The only time Michelle did it was clearly related to aerosol whipped cream and the nitrous oxide propellant.

That episode illustrates the issue here clearly. I too ate some whipped cream at the same time, but not much. My worms were fine, thankfully.

If however you regularly eat large quantities of the leaf or root it probably will have an impact based on the reference below.

But again, if the effect were strong it would be commonly used as a folk remedy or recommended by doctors.

--- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@ ...> wrote:
>
> What of this from Wikipedia
>
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chicory#Use_ and_toxicity
>
> Use and toxicity
> According to traditional folklore, long-term use of chicory as a
> coffee substitute may damage human retinal tissue, with dimming of
> vision over time and other long term effects.[9] Modern scientific literature contains little or no evidence to support or refute this claim.
> Root chicory contains volatile oils similar to those found in plants in the related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy,
> and is likewise effective at eliminating intestinal worms. All parts of
> the plant contain these volatile oils, with the majority of the toxic
> components concentrated in the plant's root. [10]
> Chicory is well known for its toxicity to internal parasites.
> Studies indicate that ingestion of chicory by farm animals results in
> reduction of worm burdens,[11] [12] [13]
> which has prompted its widespread use as a forage supplement. There are
> only a few major companies active in research, development, and
> production of chicory varieties and selections. Most of them are in New
> Zealand. Chicory root extract is high in inulin, and used as a high-fiber dietary supplement.
>
> ^ A Modern Herbal. New York: Dover Publications. 1931fs. ISBN 0486227987 & 0486227995. ^ Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, Gregory L. Tilford, ISBN 0-87842-359- 1^ "Individual
> administration of three tanniferous forage plants to lambs artificially
> infected with Haemonchus contortus and Cooperia curticei.". Vet Parasitol. 146 (1-2): 123â€"34. 2007-05-15. doi:10.1016/ j.vetpar. 2007.01.009. PMID : 17336459. ^ "The use of chicory for parasite control in organic ewes and their lambs.". Parasitology. 134 (Pt 2): 299â€"307. February 2007. doi:10.1017/ S003118200600136 3. PMID : 17032469. ^ "The
> effect of chicory ( Cichorium intybus ) and sulla ( Hedysarum
> coronarium ) on larval development and mucosal cell responses of
> growing lambs challenged with Teladorsagia circumcincta. ". Parasitology. 132 (Pt 3): 419â€"26. March 2006. doi:10.1017/ S003118200500919 4. PMID : 16332288.
>
> --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@. ..> wrote:
>
> From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@. ..>
> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms
> To: helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:19 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> I very much doubt it.
>
>
>
> If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the invention of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as the first in the mid 50's, would not have necessary.
>
>
>
> Chicory is widely eaten, and yet people all over the world still have worms. Ditto for lettuce.
>
>
>
> I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless perhaps you are planning on eating five pounds of it at one sitting or something.
>
>
>
> The same principle applies to anything you might ordinarily eat. The exceptions might be in unusually concentrated forms, or extracts, or traditional herbal remedies.
>
>
>
> But a food, I don't think so.
>
>
>
> Jasper
>
>
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@ ...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought that they would be good for me to eat. Someone today, however, told me that chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms. Should I be avoiding chicory? How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?
>
> > Marya
>
> >
>



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#2950 From: "Jasper Lawrence" <jascallaw@...>
Date: Tue Jul 7, 2009 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms 		jascallaw
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If you get better you will know they are there because you will be well, and if

you lose them you will soon know they are gone when you get ill again, which is

typically in days or at most a couple of weeks after losing them.



A few people who have lost them have known something was "different" before

their disease came back.



I hope the guarantee is more than an abstract comfort, we have replaced

everyone's worms who has lost them for whatever reason for just the cost of

shipping.



By all means buy a microscope, I think taking charge of your health is important

and good, but remember if you use it for that purpose that your nose will be

three inches from a slide bearing excrement.



Its not much fun.



--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>

wrote:

>

> I suppose that is the salient point, that you haven't lost your worms

accidentally - ever.  We here out on the worm frontier, don't know where we are

in relation to the border at any given moment, when we will fall of the edge. 

>

> That there is a guarantee, should we loose our worms they will be replaced, 

is abstract comfort, as, most days, we can hardly convince ourselves we have

what we can't see.  I am sure many of will be following in Deb's foot steps and

buying a microscope, not because we want or need to cultivate hook worm, but to

occasionally look at the evidence; "Ah there they are, it is not a coincidence

that I've managed to stay out of the hospital after all."

>

> Marya

>

>

> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...> wrote:

>

> From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...>

> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms

> To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:04 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>       It is related to what I mentioned earlier, unless you eat a lot of

chicory I doubt it will have an affect.

>

>

>

> Marc has eaten it, and he still has his worms.

>

>

>

> For cattle they are probably eating large quantities relatively, but if you

are worried about it don't eat or drink foods with chicory in them or minimize

the amount you eat at any one time or during the course of any one week.

>

>

>

> I don't drink chicory coffee substitutes, the last time I did I was a child in

the UK. As to eating the greens in salads the quantities are very small.

>

>

>

> We have eaten chicory a few times in the last two years on salads according to

Michelle. But I have not lost my worms accidentally, ever. The only time

Michelle did it was clearly related to aerosol whipped cream and the nitrous

oxide propellant.

>

>

>

> That episode illustrates the issue here clearly. I too ate some whipped cream

at the same time, but not much. My worms were fine, thankfully.

>

>

>

> If however you regularly eat large quantities of the leaf or root it probably

will have an impact based on the reference below.

>

>

>

> But again, if the effect were strong it would be commonly used as a folk

remedy or recommended by doctors.

>

>

>

> --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@ ...>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > What of this from Wikipedia

>

> >

>

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chicory#Use_ and_toxicity

>

> >

>

> > Use and toxicity

>

> > According to traditional folklore, long-term use of chicory as a

>

> > coffee substitute may damage human retinal tissue, with dimming of

>

> > vision over time and other long term effects.[9] Modern scientific

literature contains little or no evidence to support or refute this claim.

>

> > Root chicory contains volatile oils similar to those found in plants in the

related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy,

>

> > and is likewise effective at eliminating intestinal worms. All parts of

>

> > the plant contain these volatile oils, with the majority of the toxic

>

> > components concentrated in the plant's root. [10]

>

> > Chicory is well known for its toxicity to internal parasites.

>

> > Studies indicate that ingestion of chicory by farm animals results in

>

> > reduction of worm burdens,[11] [12] [13]

>

> > which has prompted its widespread use as a forage supplement. There are

>

> > only a few major companies active in research, development, and

>

> > production of chicory varieties and selections. Most of them are in New

>

> > Zealand. Chicory root extract is high in inulin, and used as a high-fiber

dietary supplement.

>

> >

>

> > ^ A Modern Herbal. New York: Dover Publications. 1931fs. ISBN 0486227987 &

0486227995. ^ Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, Gregory L. Tilford,

ISBN 0-87842-359- 1^ "Individual

>

> > administration of three tanniferous forage plants to lambs artificially

>

> > infected with Haemonchus contortus and Cooperia curticei.". Vet Parasitol.

146 (1-2): 123â€"34. 2007-05-15. doi:10.1016/ j.vetpar. 2007.01.009.

PMID : 17336459. ^ "The use of chicory for parasite control in organic

ewes and their lambs.". Parasitology. 134 (Pt 2): 299â€"307. February 2007.

doi:10.1017/ S003118200600136 3. PMID : 17032469. ^ "The

>

> > effect of chicory ( Cichorium intybus ) and sulla ( Hedysarum

>

> > coronarium ) on larval development and mucosal cell responses of

>

> > growing lambs challenged with Teladorsagia circumcincta. ". Parasitology.

132 (Pt 3): 419â€"26. March 2006. doi:10.1017/ S003118200500919 4. PMID :

16332288.

>

> >

>

> > --- On Sun, 7/5/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@ ..>

>

> > Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms

>

> > To: helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com

>

> > Date: Sunday, July 5, 2009, 11:19 PM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >       I very much doubt it.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic

properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the

invention of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as

the first in the mid 50's, would not have necessary.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Chicory is widely eaten, and yet people all over the world still have worms.

Ditto for lettuce.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I don't think you have anything to worry about, unless perhaps you are

planning on eating five pounds of it at one sitting or something.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > The same principle applies to anything you might ordinarily eat. The

exceptions might be in unusually concentrated forms, or extracts, or traditional

herbal remedies.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > But a food, I don't think so.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Jasper

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@

...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I

thought that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me

that chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms.  Should I be avoiding

chicory?  How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?

>

> >

>

> > > Marya

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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