I just found about helminthic therapy on October 22nd.  I was investigating all
the information that I could find. I am dismayed about the issue with FDA. But I
am really impressed with the links to the studies and related data from this
forum.

So right after I started researching this helminthic therapy I had recorded the
TV show 'The Doctors'.   [I have been suspect of some of the information on the
show because there a lot of product spots on the show.]

One of the doctors said that there was a lot of research being done on worms to
help with autoimmune disorders.  Then another doctor says "really?  I'll try
that."  Then they bring out a cup of earthworms, he picks one up (covered in
dirt) and dangles it in front of his mouth, this part can be seen on the promo
of the video, then he laughs and declines.   And nothing else is said about it. 
So for a person that is relying on this TV show for accurate information,
(because they are real doctors) there is a slight of hand, a little
mis-direction.  They did not say that it was earthworms that were being studied
for autoimmune disorders but a person would draw that conclusion by their
actions.  I now consider this show to another of the many outlets for yellow
journalism.  I think that drug companies will increase their efforts at
mis-direction.



If you want to see the promo for 'The Doctors' here it is:
http://thedoctorstv.com/main/show_page/324


Sandra

Hi,
I am new to this boards and wanting to try this helminthic therapy.
I would like to make a suggestion to Jake, especially since he has not had any
relief from his diarrhea.  I know that doctors give Pedialyte to infants and
children that have diarrhea. I have taken it myself it is available at most drug
stores and grocery stores. It is for electrolytes and to prevent dehydration.

http://pedialyte.com/products.aspx



Also a home remedy for diarrhea is coconut.  Here is a link to the Peoples
Pharmacy website and there are testimonials from people that have chronic IBS,
Crohn's, UC and and have eaten coconut products and had relief from the
diarrhea.  Also other people have gotten relief from coconut candy like mounds
or shredded coconut.  I have linked to one question but you can search coconut
on the People's Pharmacy website and see all the related links and testimonials.

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2009/06/01/coconut-eased-d/



I know that Whole Foods also has a Gluten free version of the macaroons that are
good.

http://www.macaroonking.com/products_t.html


Almost 3 years ago I was having difficulty swallowing and went to a gastric
doctor who looked down my esophagus and all he saw was red inflamed tissue, my
stomach was the same way, biopsies only showed inflammation. He said that if it
was not cancer he did not know what it was.  So he said that since he was not
sure what was wrong it was acid reflux. He gave me lots of meds that did not
help.  I stopped taking them.  My acid reflux and difficulty swallowing has
stopped since I started a gluten free diet 2 years ago.  It took about 6 months
for me to get real relief.   I only have difficulty swallowing and heartburn
when I ingest something with wheat gluten in it.  I believe that is my body
reacting to wheat gluten.


I hope this helps,
Sandra





--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "franzy46" <franzy46@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jake
>
> While you wait to see Dr Fortun, you could ask your GP to prescribe an
artificial pre-digested liquid diet such as Elemental 028 Extra (made by SHS).
As all the nutrients in such feeds are broken down into their most easily
digestible form, you should - in theory at least - be able to tolerate these,
and the nutrients would be absorbed well before they reach your colon. This
would prevent you from becoming malnourished while you wait for the NHS wheels
to turn.
>
> In my experience, GPs are very poorly informed about such special feeds, so
you may need to do some homework before seeing him/her, and take this along to
your next appointment. The GP is responsible for maintaining your health, so, if
you can't manage to eat anything else, a special feed should be offered.
>
> Franzy
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Jake Williams <jakeeboy64@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I have been on omeprazole for years now, as well as treatment for IBS.
I am still awaiting an appointment with Dr Fortun! I don't know how much longer
I can wait. been waiting 7 weeks already and my so called IBS has become
unbearable. I have put myself on a lactose and gluten free diet the last 2 weeks
but still no better. I can't seem to keep anything in me it always comes out and
I am spending most days in the bathroom. As of today I think I am gonna stop
eating for a while as no matter what I eat comes straight through me. Have even
thought of going to casualty to see if they will do anything as even the IBS
medication seems to be ineffective, constant feeling of needing the toilet even
if I have just been and even if there is nothing left to come out!
> >
> > I would love to get off the Omeprazole as well if I could.
> >
> > Again Good luck to Jasper and co in getting set up!
> >
> > Best wishes Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: marc_dellerba <marc@>
> > To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 9:02:22 PM
> > Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: amazing news
> >
> >
> > If this is right, surely this makes it the most common autoimmune disorder
in the western world, look at the money being spent on proton pump inhibitors!!
!!!!
> >
> > I have noticed less reflux since hosting, but assumed it was dietary
changes. Anyone else noticed anything???
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Weinhold <rweinhold@ ..>
wrote:
> > >
> > > For about a year, ever since completing a major battery of medical
> > > tests, I have been thinking that my severe acid reflux may be linked
> > > with my many other autoimmune problems. But the doctors at the nation's
> > > leading respiratory center, and their gastroenterologist - like all
> > > other gastroenterologists - said this wasn't possible, since acid reflux
> > > was caused by stomach acid coming up through a "broken" valve at the top
> > > of the stomach and irritating the esophagus. However, no one in the
> > > world can explain what makes the valve break, and why acid reflux has
> > > been soaring in the US and in many parts of the world.
> > >
> > > Then a blockbuster study was publicized today (see the full news article
> > > below; I'm pasting it all in since the URL link goes does pretty
> > > quickly). It says that acid reflux is an immune problem, not a stomach
> > > acid problem! They don't say it's autoimmune yet, but that is a likely
> > > step to take. I'm telling the US autoimmune association about this
> > > today, to see if they'll take a lead on researching this.
> > >
> > > In any case, I'm extremely hopeful that, since the worms target
> > > inflammation and immune reactions, both strongly implicated in this new
> > > study, that they'll help quell this major problem for me. I look forward
> > > to Jasper getting back in operation again (and to the NIH and FDA, and
> > > gastros all over the world, recognizing this new information, which once
> > > again shatters the mainstream beliefs about a cherished assumption).
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Reflux might be immune condition, rat study finds
> > >
> > > Last Updated: 2009-11-20 9:00:08 -0400 (Reuters Health)
> > >
> > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Acid reflux, a common condition that has been
> > > highly profitable for the makers of antacid drugs, may not be caused by
> > > stomach acid at all, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.
> > >
> > > Instead, gastroesophageal reflux disease or GERD might be caused by
> > > immune system cells causing inflammation, the team at the University of
> > > Texas Southwestern Medical Center said.
> > >
> > > Their study in rats showed that gastroesophageal reflux causes tissue in
> > > the esophagus to release immune chemicals called cytokines, which
> > > attract inflammatory cells. These cause the heartburn and chest pain
> > > that make GERD so distressing.
> > >
> > > "Currently, we treat GERD by giving medications to prevent the stomach
> > > from making acid," said Dr. Rhonda Souza, who led the study published in
> > > the November issue of Gastroenterology.
> > >
> > > "But if GERD is really an immune-mediated injury, maybe we should create
> > > medications that would prevent these cytokines from attracting
> > > inflammatory cells to the esophagus and starting the injury in the first
> > > place."
> > >
> > > Her team mimicked GERD in rats by connecting the duodenum to the
> > > esophagus, allowing stomach acid and bile to enter the esophagus. They
> > > assumed the stomach acid and bile would start to burn the esophagus
> > > right away.
> > >
> > > "We were surprised to learn that it can take weeks for erosive
> > > esophagitis to appear after this operation," they wrote.
> > >
> > > "That doesn't make sense if GERD is really the result of an acid burn,
> > > as we all were taught in medical school," said Dr. Stuart Spechler, a
> > > professor of internal medicine who led the study.
> > >
> > > "Chemical injuries develop immediately. If you spill battery acid on
> > > your hand, you don't have to wait a month to see the damage."
> > >
> > > When they examined the tissue of the esophagus, they found it was filled
> > > with immune cells.
> > >
> > > More tests using human esophagus cells in lab dishes showed the cells
> > > sent out inflammatory signals with chemicals such as interleukin- 8 when
> > > bile salts were put on them.
> > >
> > > About 40 percent of Americans suffer symptoms of GERD at some point, and
> > > 20 percent have it regularly, Souza said. It can eventually cause
> > > esophageal cancer.
> > >
> > > Treating GERD has helped turn drugs such as Prilosec and Nexium into
> > > mega-blockbusters.
> > >
> > > Prilosec, known generically as omeprazole, is now sold over the counter
> > > by Procter & Gamble Co, while the newer Nexium had $5.2 billion in sales
> > > in 2008.
> > >
> >
>

Hi Jake

While you wait to see Dr Fortun, you could ask your GP to prescribe an
artificial pre-digested liquid diet such as Elemental 028 Extra (made by SHS).
As all the nutrients in such feeds are broken down into their most easily
digestible form, you should - in theory at least - be able to tolerate these,
and the nutrients would be absorbed well before they reach your colon. This
would prevent you from becoming malnourished while you wait for the NHS wheels
to turn.

In my experience, GPs are very poorly informed about such special feeds, so you
may need to do some homework before seeing him/her, and take this along to your
next appointment. The GP is responsible for maintaining your health, so, if you
can't manage to eat anything else, a special feed should be offered.

Franzy

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Jake Williams <jakeeboy64@...> wrote:
>
> Well I have been on omeprazole for years now, as well as treatment for IBS. I
am still awaiting an appointment with Dr Fortun! I don't know how much longer I
can wait. been waiting 7 weeks already and my so called IBS has become
unbearable. I have put myself on a lactose and gluten free diet the last 2 weeks
but still no better. I can't seem to keep anything in me it always comes out and
I am spending most days in the bathroom. As of today I think I am gonna stop
eating for a while as no matter what I eat comes straight through me. Have even
thought of going to casualty to see if they will do anything as even the IBS
medication seems to be ineffective, constant feeling of needing the toilet even
if I have just been and even if there is nothing left to come out!
>
> I would love to get off the Omeprazole as well if I could.
>
> Again Good luck to Jasper and co in getting set up!
>
> Best wishes Jake
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: marc_dellerba <marc@...>
> To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 9:02:22 PM
> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: amazing news
>
>
> If this is right, surely this makes it the most common autoimmune disorder in
the western world, look at the money being spent on proton pump inhibitors!!
!!!!
>
> I have noticed less reflux since hosting, but assumed it was dietary changes.
Anyone else noticed anything???
>
> Marc
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@ yahoogroups. com, Robert Weinhold <rweinhold@ ..>
wrote:
> >
> > For about a year, ever since completing a major battery of medical
> > tests, I have been thinking that my severe acid reflux may be linked
> > with my many other autoimmune problems. But the doctors at the nation's
> > leading respiratory center, and their gastroenterologist - like all
> > other gastroenterologists - said this wasn't possible, since acid reflux
> > was caused by stomach acid coming up through a "broken" valve at the top
> > of the stomach and irritating the esophagus. However, no one in the
> > world can explain what makes the valve break, and why acid reflux has
> > been soaring in the US and in many parts of the world.
> >
> > Then a blockbuster study was publicized today (see the full news article
> > below; I'm pasting it all in since the URL link goes does pretty
> > quickly). It says that acid reflux is an immune problem, not a stomach
> > acid problem! They don't say it's autoimmune yet, but that is a likely
> > step to take. I'm telling the US autoimmune association about this
> > today, to see if they'll take a lead on researching this.
> >
> > In any case, I'm extremely hopeful that, since the worms target
> > inflammation and immune reactions, both strongly implicated in this new
> > study, that they'll help quell this major problem for me. I look forward
> > to Jasper getting back in operation again (and to the NIH and FDA, and
> > gastros all over the world, recognizing this new information, which once
> > again shatters the mainstream beliefs about a cherished assumption).
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > Reflux might be immune condition, rat study finds
> >
> > Last Updated: 2009-11-20 9:00:08 -0400 (Reuters Health)
> >
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Acid reflux, a common condition that has been
> > highly profitable for the makers of antacid drugs, may not be caused by
> > stomach acid at all, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.
> >
> > Instead, gastroesophageal reflux disease or GERD might be caused by
> > immune system cells causing inflammation, the team at the University of
> > Texas Southwestern Medical Center said.
> >
> > Their study in rats showed that gastroesophageal reflux causes tissue in
> > the esophagus to release immune chemicals called cytokines, which
> > attract inflammatory cells. These cause the heartburn and chest pain
> > that make GERD so distressing.
> >
> > "Currently, we treat GERD by giving medications to prevent the stomach
> > from making acid," said Dr. Rhonda Souza, who led the study published in
> > the November issue of Gastroenterology.
> >
> > "But if GERD is really an immune-mediated injury, maybe we should create
> > medications that would prevent these cytokines from attracting
> > inflammatory cells to the esophagus and starting the injury in the first
> > place."
> >
> > Her team mimicked GERD in rats by connecting the duodenum to the
> > esophagus, allowing stomach acid and bile to enter the esophagus. They
> > assumed the stomach acid and bile would start to burn the esophagus
> > right away.
> >
> > "We were surprised to learn that it can take weeks for erosive
> > esophagitis to appear after this operation," they wrote.
> >
> > "That doesn't make sense if GERD is really the result of an acid burn,
> > as we all were taught in medical school," said Dr. Stuart Spechler, a
> > professor of internal medicine who led the study.
> >
> > "Chemical injuries develop immediately. If you spill battery acid on
> > your hand, you don't have to wait a month to see the damage."
> >
> > When they examined the tissue of the esophagus, they found it was filled
> > with immune cells.
> >
> > More tests using human esophagus cells in lab dishes showed the cells
> > sent out inflammatory signals with chemicals such as interleukin- 8 when
> > bile salts were put on them.
> >
> > About 40 percent of Americans suffer symptoms of GERD at some point, and
> > 20 percent have it regularly, Souza said. It can eventually cause
> > esophageal cancer.
> >
> > Treating GERD has helped turn drugs such as Prilosec and Nexium into
> > mega-blockbusters.
> >
> > Prilosec, known generically as omeprazole, is now sold over the counter
> > by Procter & Gamble Co, while the newer Nexium had $5.2 billion in sales
> > in 2008.
> >
>

Did you read that press conference with Roy Keane about it, hilarious:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/20/roy-keane-republic-of-ireland-thi\
erry-henry



--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "marc_dellerba" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> Gary, appalling I agree and you have my sympathies, but taken in the context
of Ireland's soccer achievements, surely its just par for the course.... ;)
>
> Monsieur Dellerba
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "gary" <gary_harpur@> wrote:
> >
> > I think we all need to take a step back, and look at the REAL tragedy that's
unfolding at the moment in the world.  That of the Ireland Soccer Team's
injustice! :-)
> >
> > Gary (disgruntled Irishman)
> >
> > --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Hensley <lhensley@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > These are dark times. Doing what precious little I can to help. Laughter
> > > is also strong medicine. Aids pain control.
> > >
> > > This is the kind of place Jasper needs to open up. :0)
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://www.rd.com/clean-jokes-and-laughs/16-silly-signs-from-around-the-world-pa\
rt-iv/article168929-4.html
> > >
> > >
> > > lizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
> > > http://www.proofgodexists.org
> > > http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.
> > >
> >
>

If this is right, surely this makes it the most common autoimmune disorder in
the western world, look at the money being spent on proton pump inhibitors!!!!!!

I have noticed less reflux since hosting, but assumed it was dietary changes.
Anyone else noticed anything???


Marc

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Robert Weinhold <rweinhold@...> wrote:
>
> For about a year, ever since completing a major battery of medical
> tests, I have been thinking that my severe acid reflux may be linked
> with my many other autoimmune problems. But the doctors at the nation's
> leading respiratory center, and their gastroenterologist - like all
> other gastroenterologists - said this wasn't possible, since acid reflux
> was caused by stomach acid coming up through a "broken" valve at the top
> of the stomach and irritating the esophagus. However, no one in the
> world can explain what makes the valve break, and why acid reflux has
> been soaring in the US and in many parts of the world.
>
> Then a blockbuster study was publicized today (see the full news article
> below; I'm pasting it all in since the URL link goes does pretty
> quickly). It says that acid reflux is an immune problem, not a stomach
> acid problem! They don't say it's autoimmune yet, but that is a likely
> step to take. I'm telling the US autoimmune association about this
> today, to see if they'll take a lead on researching this.
>
> In any case, I'm extremely hopeful that, since the worms target
> inflammation and immune reactions, both strongly implicated in this new
> study, that they'll help quell this major problem for me. I look forward
> to Jasper getting back in operation again (and to the NIH and FDA, and
> gastros all over the world, recognizing this new information, which once
> again shatters the mainstream beliefs about a cherished assumption).
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Reflux might be immune condition, rat study finds
>
> Last Updated: 2009-11-20 9:00:08 -0400 (Reuters Health)
>
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Acid reflux, a common condition that has been
> highly profitable for the makers of antacid drugs, may not be caused by
> stomach acid at all, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.
>
> Instead, gastroesophageal reflux disease or GERD might be caused by
> immune system cells causing inflammation, the team at the University of
> Texas Southwestern Medical Center said.
>
> Their study in rats showed that gastroesophageal reflux causes tissue in
> the esophagus to release immune chemicals called cytokines, which
> attract inflammatory cells. These cause the heartburn and chest pain
> that make GERD so distressing.
>
> "Currently, we treat GERD by giving medications to prevent the stomach
> from making acid," said Dr. Rhonda Souza, who led the study published in
> the November issue of Gastroenterology.
>
> "But if GERD is really an immune-mediated injury, maybe we should create
> medications that would prevent these cytokines from attracting
> inflammatory cells to the esophagus and starting the injury in the first
> place."
>
> Her team mimicked GERD in rats by connecting the duodenum to the
> esophagus, allowing stomach acid and bile to enter the esophagus. They
> assumed the stomach acid and bile would start to burn the esophagus
> right away.
>
> "We were surprised to learn that it can take weeks for erosive
> esophagitis to appear after this operation," they wrote.
>
> "That doesn't make sense if GERD is really the result of an acid burn,
> as we all were taught in medical school," said Dr. Stuart Spechler, a
> professor of internal medicine who led the study.
>
> "Chemical injuries develop immediately. If you spill battery acid on
> your hand, you don't have to wait a month to see the damage."
>
> When they examined the tissue of the esophagus, they found it was filled
> with immune cells.
>
> More tests using human esophagus cells in lab dishes showed the cells
> sent out inflammatory signals with chemicals such as interleukin-8 when
> bile salts were put on them.
>
> About 40 percent of Americans suffer symptoms of GERD at some point, and
> 20 percent have it regularly, Souza said. It can eventually cause
> esophageal cancer.
>
> Treating GERD has helped turn drugs such as Prilosec and Nexium into
> mega-blockbusters.
>
> Prilosec, known generically as omeprazole, is now sold over the counter
> by Procter & Gamble Co, while the newer Nexium had $5.2 billion in sales
> in 2008.
>

Hi,

While Jasper and Michelle have reached their destination, they still has very
poor internet and telephone connections. While they are busy setting up
everything in the new location I will continue to respond to all emails sent to
AIT, Jasper Michelle or myself.

I will be contacting everyone over the next five days.
who has shown an interest or who is waiting for information
Please email me if I have not sent an email by Wednesday 25th.

Thank you for your patience.

Marc

For about a year, ever since completing a major battery of medical
tests, I have been thinking that my severe acid reflux may be linked
with my many other autoimmune problems. But the doctors at the nation's
leading respiratory center, and their gastroenterologist - like all
other gastroenterologists - said this wasn't possible, since acid reflux
was caused by stomach acid coming up through a "broken" valve at the top
of the stomach and irritating the esophagus. However, no one in the
world can explain what makes the valve break, and why acid reflux has
been soaring in the US and in many parts of the world.

Then a blockbuster study was publicized today (see the full news article
below; I'm pasting it all in since the URL link goes does pretty
quickly). It says that acid reflux is an immune problem, not a stomach
acid problem! They don't say it's autoimmune yet, but that is a likely
step to take. I'm telling the US autoimmune association about this
today, to see if they'll take a lead on researching this.

In any case, I'm extremely hopeful that, since the worms target
inflammation and immune reactions, both strongly implicated in this new
study, that they'll help quell this major problem for me. I look forward
to Jasper getting back in operation again (and to the NIH and FDA, and
gastros all over the world, recognizing this new information, which once
again shatters the mainstream beliefs about a cherished assumption).

Bob



Reflux might be immune condition, rat study finds

Last Updated: 2009-11-20 9:00:08 -0400 (Reuters Health)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Acid reflux, a common condition that has been
highly profitable for the makers of antacid drugs, may not be caused by
stomach acid at all, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.

Instead, gastroesophageal reflux disease or GERD might be caused by
immune system cells causing inflammation, the team at the University of
Texas Southwestern Medical Center said.

Their study in rats showed that gastroesophageal reflux causes tissue in
the esophagus to release immune chemicals called cytokines, which
attract inflammatory cells. These cause the heartburn and chest pain
that make GERD so distressing.

"Currently, we treat GERD by giving medications to prevent the stomach
from making acid," said Dr. Rhonda Souza, who led the study published in
the November issue of Gastroenterology.

"But if GERD is really an immune-mediated injury, maybe we should create
medications that would prevent these cytokines from attracting
inflammatory cells to the esophagus and starting the injury in the first
place."

Her team mimicked GERD in rats by connecting the duodenum to the
esophagus, allowing stomach acid and bile to enter the esophagus. They
assumed the stomach acid and bile would start to burn the esophagus
right away.

"We were surprised to learn that it can take weeks for erosive
esophagitis to appear after this operation," they wrote.

"That doesn't make sense if GERD is really the result of an acid burn,
as we all were taught in medical school," said Dr. Stuart Spechler, a
professor of internal medicine who led the study.

"Chemical injuries develop immediately. If you spill battery acid on
your hand, you don't have to wait a month to see the damage."

When they examined the tissue of the esophagus, they found it was filled
with immune cells.

More tests using human esophagus cells in lab dishes showed the cells
sent out inflammatory signals with chemicals such as interleukin-8 when
bile salts were put on them.

About 40 percent of Americans suffer symptoms of GERD at some point, and
20 percent have it regularly, Souza said. It can eventually cause
esophageal cancer.

Treating GERD has helped turn drugs such as Prilosec and Nexium into
mega-blockbusters.

Prilosec, known generically as omeprazole, is now sold over the counter
by Procter & Gamble Co, while the newer Nexium had $5.2 billion in sales
in 2008.

Gary, appalling I agree and you have my sympathies, but taken in the context of
Ireland's soccer achievements, surely its just par for the course.... ;)

Monsieur Dellerba

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "gary" <gary_harpur@...> wrote:
>
> I think we all need to take a step back, and look at the REAL tragedy that's
unfolding at the moment in the world.  That of the Ireland Soccer Team's
injustice! :-)
>
> Gary (disgruntled Irishman)
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Hensley <lhensley@> wrote:
> >
> > These are dark times. Doing what precious little I can to help. Laughter
> > is also strong medicine. Aids pain control.
> >
> > This is the kind of place Jasper needs to open up. :0)
> >
> >
> >
http://www.rd.com/clean-jokes-and-laughs/16-silly-signs-from-around-the-world-pa\
rt-iv/article168929-4.html
> >
> >
> > lizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
> > http://www.proofgodexists.org
> > http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.
> >
>

I think we all need to take a step back, and look at the REAL tragedy that's
unfolding at the moment in the world.  That of the Ireland Soccer Team's
injustice! :-)

Gary (disgruntled Irishman)

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Hensley <lhensley@...>
wrote:
>
> These are dark times. Doing what precious little I can to help. Laughter
> is also strong medicine. Aids pain control.
>
> This is the kind of place Jasper needs to open up. :0)
>
>
>
http://www.rd.com/clean-jokes-and-laughs/16-silly-signs-from-around-the-world-pa\
rt-iv/article168929-4.html
>
>
> lizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
> http://www.proofgodexists.org
> http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.
>

Good To hear you made it
A Well Done in fact a very well done considering everything !

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "jascallaw" <jascallaw@...> wrote:
>
> We are at our destination and so I have begun work on getting set up here. It
appears that with the right contacts and with enough grease anything is
possible. So I need to practice my bazaar haggling techniques and start
identifying those who can actually help, for the right price.
>
> It sounds as if to get everything here we will have to buy it again from
customs, so it is going to be expensive. But doable.
>
> Jasper
>

this is very good news & I love the images!

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Paul Stein <mpstein1976@...> wrote:
>
> I have this weird vision of helminths traded for whisky and cigarettes with a
customs official in green fatigues and a huge moustache
> On 19 Nov 2009, at 18:51, jakeeboy64@... wrote:
>
> > All I can say is wish you the best of luck. I'm sure there are many on here
who would help and support you in any way they can! Jake
> >
> > --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "jascallaw" <jascallaw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We are at our destination and so I have begun work on getting set up here.
It appears that with the right contacts and with enough grease anything is
possible. So I need to practice my bazaar haggling techniques and start
identifying those who can actually help, for the right price.
> > >
> > > It sounds as if to get everything here we will have to buy it again from
customs, so it is going to be expensive. But doable.
> > >
> > > Jasper
> > >
> >
> >
>

I know we will be looking at every possibility, however strange on face value.

Marc


--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "Green Leopard" <sju.thorup@...>
wrote:
>
> I really like the pet classification thought!
> Who can check the viability of that one?
> Sju
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Hensley <lhensley@> wrote:
> >
> > Being slightly Autistic and thus being good at "thinking outside the
> > box" I had a sly thought. Worms are alive! Any possibility we could get
> > them reclassified as Pets?
> >
> > Sounds weird but we live in a very weird World. So in all seriousness?
> >
> > Who says we don't have the right to keep Pets right inside our own
> > bodies? "Our bodies our choice!" If that is where this particular kind
> > of Pet needs to live where else would we keep them?
> >
> > They all we should have to prove is that they do not hurt us much and
> > our emotional enjoyment is greater than the minor hurt. Because even
> > Kitty Cats scratch and Dogs are trip hazards.
> >
> > I always used to love to play with Worms as Kid. I think when I first
> > joined this group and was planning to get some before I realized the
> > cost was way beyond me I announced I had already named mine prot and
> > Nero or some such names after the Alien Symbionts in the books and movie
> > K-PAX and the Stargate series. Jasper asked me if I was kidding. I was
> > not! I figured all living Beings deserve a name and if they were going
> > to help me so much and indwell me they definitely did! Maybe I had the
> > right idea all along and I was being "colorful not crazy." Or if I WAS
> > being crazy I was being, "crazy like a Fox" and you all need to follow
> > my lead! This may be a legal angle that can be pursued! I am a kind and
> > reverent soul who deeply loves the whole evolutionary chain of life from
> > the first self replicating Single Cell all the way up to the Omega Point
> > of Evolution.
> > Time/Space circles bent by the gravitational mass of the Universe due to
> > General Relativity so there really is a Circle of Life.  There is
> > Evolution but It guides Itself. The Gaea Hypothesis and the Strong
> > Anthropic Principle are the same thing. I truly think just knowing the
> > little Guys and Gals were down there in my gut would have put a smile on
> > my face just as having an Ant farm or a jar of Snails would. I would be
> > harboring Life which is a sacred, fun thing to do. So for me this
> > argument would not even be a legal loop hole. It would be the simple
> > truth. To me among many other things, they would be Pets, little Friends
> > who lived inside of me. I would cherish them, nurture them, just as much
> > as I do my Kitty Cats and my Big Old Lab Dog, Jake who follows me around
> > and would be under my skin too if he could. :-) As long as they did not
> > harm me they would not have to do anything else. Just their being
> > another kind of Pet would be enough.
> >
> >
> > Here is another idea.
> >
> > People in many ancient cultures had Worms living inside of them. So for
> > at least for some of us could Worm hosting be pursued as a right to
> > practice one's culture heritage?
> >
> >
> > Or...Even better.
> >
> >
> > We all have a right to harbor and nourish Life. Humans have hosted Worms
> > for millions of years and how can a modern government have the right to
> > say this generation cannot do what millions of generations of Humans
> > have done before? There could be a religious rights issue here. Worms
> > don't have to be a health thing at all. They can be a "spiritual thing."
> > We can be a "religion." It worked for Scientology! And unlike
> > Scientology this actually has merit! Instead of Snake handlers we can be
> > Worm Hosters. The fact the let Folks handle Rattle Snakes in a religious
> > ritual means they can hardly justify stopping us from handling Worms for
> > the same reason! We need to swallow our pride and get clever so that
> > this survives. Those with IQs over 2 digits will "get" why we are doing
> > it this way. We won't have to spell it out because Big Pharma's tricks
> > and their buddy buddy relationship with the government is becoming
> > known. Autism is growing at incredible rates and Parents and we
> > ourselves are squawking about it. Big Tobacco took a hit though alas
> > they are still here. They may take another hit someday. Not entirely
> > impossible. Worms or something else may turn out to help People quit
> > smoking.  Big Pharma will at least be wounded soon too. So the Public is
> > informed enough to read between the lines. So our "starting a religion"
> > will even get us a lot of publicity and television spots and People will
> > be laughing WITH us not AT us when how Helminths help the immune system
> > is calmly explained to them. Lots of People get religious exemptions to
> > avoid letting Doctors inject neurotoxins like glutamate, mercury and
> > aluminum into their Children and themselves. They do that for very good
> > health reasons and most of us know it! No one has the right to define
> > what is and what is not a religion except the People practicing it. We
> > don't have to make up mumbo jumbo. We just need to write up as our
> > "creed" the truth and file all the legal stuff so we can practice our
> > beliefs. We will find it is a whole lot easier to start a religion than
> > getting health regulations changed. That our beliefs have scientific
> > merit are beyond doubt. For that matter double blind studies have shown
> > prayer is 20 percent effective too even when the People being prayed for
> > don't know they are being prayed for. Think about that.
> >
> > By the way my web sites should be up again in a few days.
> >
> > Elizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
> > http://www.proofgodexists.org
> > http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.
> > http://www.gigglesfromheaven.org
> > http://www.lizmakesbuttons.com
> > http://www.painlessshots.org.
> > http://www.giftofautism.org
> > http://www.odedejoy.org
> >
>

I really like the pet classification thought!
Who can check the viability of that one?
Sju

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Elizabeth Hensley <lhensley@...>
wrote:
>
> Being slightly Autistic and thus being good at "thinking outside the
> box" I had a sly thought. Worms are alive! Any possibility we could get
> them reclassified as Pets?
>
> Sounds weird but we live in a very weird World. So in all seriousness?
>
> Who says we don't have the right to keep Pets right inside our own
> bodies? "Our bodies our choice!" If that is where this particular kind
> of Pet needs to live where else would we keep them?
>
> They all we should have to prove is that they do not hurt us much and
> our emotional enjoyment is greater than the minor hurt. Because even
> Kitty Cats scratch and Dogs are trip hazards.
>
> I always used to love to play with Worms as Kid. I think when I first
> joined this group and was planning to get some before I realized the
> cost was way beyond me I announced I had already named mine prot and
> Nero or some such names after the Alien Symbionts in the books and movie
> K-PAX and the Stargate series. Jasper asked me if I was kidding. I was
> not! I figured all living Beings deserve a name and if they were going
> to help me so much and indwell me they definitely did! Maybe I had the
> right idea all along and I was being "colorful not crazy." Or if I WAS
> being crazy I was being, "crazy like a Fox" and you all need to follow
> my lead! This may be a legal angle that can be pursued! I am a kind and
> reverent soul who deeply loves the whole evolutionary chain of life from
> the first self replicating Single Cell all the way up to the Omega Point
> of Evolution.
> Time/Space circles bent by the gravitational mass of the Universe due to
> General Relativity so there really is a Circle of Life.  There is
> Evolution but It guides Itself. The Gaea Hypothesis and the Strong
> Anthropic Principle are the same thing. I truly think just knowing the
> little Guys and Gals were down there in my gut would have put a smile on
> my face just as having an Ant farm or a jar of Snails would. I would be
> harboring Life which is a sacred, fun thing to do. So for me this
> argument would not even be a legal loop hole. It would be the simple
> truth. To me among many other things, they would be Pets, little Friends
> who lived inside of me. I would cherish them, nurture them, just as much
> as I do my Kitty Cats and my Big Old Lab Dog, Jake who follows me around
> and would be under my skin too if he could. :-) As long as they did not
> harm me they would not have to do anything else. Just their being
> another kind of Pet would be enough.
>
>
> Here is another idea.
>
> People in many ancient cultures had Worms living inside of them. So for
> at least for some of us could Worm hosting be pursued as a right to
> practice one's culture heritage?
>
>
> Or...Even better.
>
>
> We all have a right to harbor and nourish Life. Humans have hosted Worms
> for millions of years and how can a modern government have the right to
> say this generation cannot do what millions of generations of Humans
> have done before? There could be a religious rights issue here. Worms
> don't have to be a health thing at all. They can be a "spiritual thing."
> We can be a "religion." It worked for Scientology! And unlike
> Scientology this actually has merit! Instead of Snake handlers we can be
> Worm Hosters. The fact the let Folks handle Rattle Snakes in a religious
> ritual means they can hardly justify stopping us from handling Worms for
> the same reason! We need to swallow our pride and get clever so that
> this survives. Those with IQs over 2 digits will "get" why we are doing
> it this way. We won't have to spell it out because Big Pharma's tricks
> and their buddy buddy relationship with the government is becoming
> known. Autism is growing at incredible rates and Parents and we
> ourselves are squawking about it. Big Tobacco took a hit though alas
> they are still here. They may take another hit someday. Not entirely
> impossible. Worms or something else may turn out to help People quit
> smoking.  Big Pharma will at least be wounded soon too. So the Public is
> informed enough to read between the lines. So our "starting a religion"
> will even get us a lot of publicity and television spots and People will
> be laughing WITH us not AT us when how Helminths help the immune system
> is calmly explained to them. Lots of People get religious exemptions to
> avoid letting Doctors inject neurotoxins like glutamate, mercury and
> aluminum into their Children and themselves. They do that for very good
> health reasons and most of us know it! No one has the right to define
> what is and what is not a religion except the People practicing it. We
> don't have to make up mumbo jumbo. We just need to write up as our
> "creed" the truth and file all the legal stuff so we can practice our
> beliefs. We will find it is a whole lot easier to start a religion than
> getting health regulations changed. That our beliefs have scientific
> merit are beyond doubt. For that matter double blind studies have shown
> prayer is 20 percent effective too even when the People being prayed for
> don't know they are being prayed for. Think about that.
>
> By the way my web sites should be up again in a few days.
>
> Elizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
> http://www.proofgodexists.org
> http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.
> http://www.gigglesfromheaven.org
> http://www.lizmakesbuttons.com
> http://www.painlessshots.org.
> http://www.giftofautism.org
> http://www.odedejoy.org
>

All I can say is wish you the best of luck. I'm sure there are many on here who
would help and support you in any way they can! Jake

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "jascallaw" <jascallaw@...> wrote:
>
> We are at our destination and so I have begun work on getting set up here. It
appears that with the right contacts and with enough grease anything is
possible. So I need to practice my bazaar haggling techniques and start
identifying those who can actually help, for the right price.
>
> It sounds as if to get everything here we will have to buy it again from
customs, so it is going to be expensive. But doable.
>
> Jasper
>

We are at our destination and so I have begun work on getting set up here. It
appears that with the right contacts and with enough grease anything is
possible. So I need to practice my bazaar haggling techniques and start
identifying those who can actually help, for the right price.

It sounds as if to get everything here we will have to buy it again from
customs, so it is going to be expensive. But doable.

Jasper

I watched the episode today and it was pretty neat! Although they gave him the
worms in a glass of water to give them back to him.

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
wrote:
>
> My friend L. said that last night on the TV show House there was an episode
concerning a  person with a worm infection, which was found to be controlling
his crohn's disease. 
> My mind is thoroughly blown!
> I've never seen the show, but it seems that they are run a week behind on
Hulu.com
> I will check for it next week. 
> Wow,
>

I don't have the time to read even a minority of the posts here as I travel, but
I wanted to address a couple of points I have been told have been made here
about what happened and why.

The issue of our website is quite separate from the issue of classifying it as a
drug. When the investigation started it was one of bringing us into compliance
on the website and learning about what we were doing and how we were doing it.

As soon as they decided it was a pharmaceutical everything changed.

So, although we were, although telling the truth, making medical claims as the
FDA assert, if that were the only issue we would have altered the website at
their behest and have been allowed to carry on.

According to the agent I dealt with most their interest was triggered, as I
considered it might at the time, by the CBS interview, or perhaps by one of its
subjects. So as soon as we became known to the FDA this was inevitable. I
thought they had been watching us for some time though, it was not as if we were
shy about it.

As to anti freeze, that is what I meant by being made for this. I have lead an
eccentric life, have been self-employed all my adult life. I was an illegal
immigrant when I first came to the US as an adult, having had two previous green
cards. Have traveled, as a poor person, widely, in various bits of the tropics,
Europe and America. Hitch hiked a lot, when I was young. I am illiterate in two
languages other than English. I left home by choice, I engineered it, at age 12.
I am familiar with fear and how to manage it.

I am not one for conspiracy theories or against big pharma, but like you I
understand modern American politics. It is largely corrupted by the influence of
corporate money, and by the ignorance and apathy of the public. That and the
pernicious influence of superstition and our nation's mythology.

It would be nice if children were taught critical thinking or to be
autodidactic, I don't understand how a democracy can function as one if the
education system is geared to producing functional economic units and not
citizens. If democracy is so precious why are our basic institutions not created
and managed to protect it by producing citizens and not factory fodder?

As a nation I believe that our primary concern has become cash and
competitiveness economically. We have lost, if we ever had it, a veneration for
independent thought. Databases and the homogeneity favored by modern economies
do not work well with anything but uniformity. I am certain that those
historical figures I favor from the American Revolution would find modern
America repellant.

I read a good book a few years ago about the Opium Wars, and the parallels
between 19th Century British attitudes and public discourse and that of modern
America were stunning. Manifest destiny, arrogance, altogether astonishing.

America has lost its way, or been lead astray, and this is just one tiny
example. My expectations for Obama were that at best he would be a Clinton,
forced to compromise over silly things like whether gay men can carry guns and
kill for their country. Or, if really exceptional, that he would be neutralized
as Americans are fond of doing if confronted by a president who is at all
threatening of the status quo. As I have said before were circumstances a little
different I would be very happy to be leaving, Michelle and I have discussed it
numerous times. It was only the children that prevented it. Not a choice I have
the luxury of making any longer.

I get to live in a world, temporarily, free of databases and where personal
freedoms can still be enjoyed, and if I am lucky I and Michelle will have peace.

Who knows, maybe I will settle down and cool it on the melodramatic and florid
posts here.

Jasper




--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
wrote:
>
> It has been the practice of presidential administrations, for much of the last
20 years, to destabilize and under fund federal regulatory bodies, until they
can no longer function in the capacity they were intended to.  At that point
the case is made to close the agency for the inability to carry out its mandate.
>
> This is not a direct response to you post, perhaps, but it does provide some
color as to what is going on.  I dreamed for a moment, as so many did, that
President Obama would ride in upon his steed and undo all the damage that
deregulating republicans and 'bought' democrats had done.  I suppose this may
have been an impossible thing to expect of one who was bequeathed two wars and a
recession, none of his own making.  Never the less, one dreams.
>
> With regard to whether Helminths are not drugs.  The FDA says they are drugs,
so they are drugs, QED. 
> But suddenly they are not an unknown quantity.  An apparatus exists within
which they can function.  We need to work toward the day that is the case. 
>
> AIT: I urge you to be more systematic in your dosing and to publish
regularly. 
> Fellow Travelers:  I urge you to kill the histrionics.
> Jasper: You already know what I'm urging you to do, Gardez votre sang froid. 
You're going to need anti-freeze in your veins for a while.
>
> Regards to all,
> Marya
>
> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, scout2063 <scout2063@...> wrote:
>
> From: scout2063 <scout2063@...>
> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Helminths are not drugs
> To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 7:40 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Hello all ...
>
>
>
> I was saddened to read about the current situation. Obviously I am concerned
about Jasper's personal situation, being uprooted, separated from his children,
etc., but I'm convinced that he would've thought about this possibility. What I
find most disconcerting is the fact that his situation is the direct result of
government intimidation. I am disgusted.
>
>
>
> Jasper, I'm praying for you.
>
>
>
> It angers me that Jasper should be forced to flee the States, under the guise
of "protecting public health". The FDA is dishearteningly corrupt. I don't doubt
for an instant that the FDA is influenced by large pharmaceutical companies.
(I'm not one of those anti-pharmaceutical people, either, but I acknowledge that
corporations often expand the possibilities for the expression of human greed.)
The FDA, I suspect, is far too susceptible to influence from special interests.
>
>
>
> Defining a helminth as a "drug", because it brings about "biochemical changes
in the body", is absurd. Sunlight triggers the production of vitamin D (a
steroid hormone) in the skin; does that make sunlight a drug? Eating food
changes the concentrations of glucose and insulin in the bloodstream; does that
make fruits and vegetables drugs? When engaged in romantic relationships, men
and women influence each other to release vasopressin and oxytocin
(respectively) , which in turn influences pair bonding and sexual behavior --
does that mean PEOPLE are drugs? Biochemical responses aside, how can a living
organism possibly be classified as a drug? It reflects no pattern of logical or
scientific reasoning (with which I am familiar) and suggests nothing more than a
bureaucratic strategy to squeeze out someone who's proving inconvenient.
>
>
>
> This is NOT the "American Way". Apparently, the FDA doesn't remember the
meaning of the "American Way". If it did, Jasper would still be here.
>

Sorry, this is an old site that should have been taken down.

We will hopefully have the AIT site back up in a few days.

Marc

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "David" <abbyaustin@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> you've seen the new web site right?  http://www.worm-therapy.com/  it hasn't
been linked  to the original.  I think it got launched in the middle of the FDA
debacle :(
> but I do agree w/ what you are saying.
> -Abby
>
> --- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "l. c." <Cal1700@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends-
> >
> > I have been gone for the last week and a half to get a minor cardiac
> > procedure
> > done in S.F.
> >
> > The action of the FDA as I understand it is appalling- this procedure is not
> > any
> > different in my mind that putting micro-organisms in yogurt that are
> > intended to
> > live permanently in our small intestine.  They create the same kind of
> > changes
> > that are created by pro-biotics, necator americanus, and minerals and
> > vitamins
> > for that matter.
> >
> > Make no mistake about this- it is all about money!  Large drug companies
> > looked down the road 10 to 20 years, and saw that a whole gigantic market
> > for
> > auto-immune products stood the real risk of disappearing.  They pushed the
> > FDA to nip this in the bud-
> >
> > Is Helminithic Therapies going to fight this-?  Is there a place where we
> > can
> > send money to support the defense.
> >
> > Three or four years from now, we might all be in trouble over this- for the
> > vast
> > majority of us who have had life changing benefits from helmiths, we need to
> >
> > help out in this.
> >
> > The other (and perhaps simpler choice) might be for the efforts to again be
> > centered in a third world country again.
> >
> > Karl Granat
> > 503 949-1162
> >
>

you've seen the new web site right?  http://www.worm-therapy.com/  it hasn't
been linked  to the original.  I think it got launched in the middle of the FDA
debacle :(
but I do agree w/ what you are saying.
-Abby

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "l. c." <Cal1700@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends-
>
> I have been gone for the last week and a half to get a minor cardiac
> procedure
> done in S.F.
>
> The action of the FDA as I understand it is appalling- this procedure is not
> any
> different in my mind that putting micro-organisms in yogurt that are
> intended to
> live permanently in our small intestine.  They create the same kind of
> changes
> that are created by pro-biotics, necator americanus, and minerals and
> vitamins
> for that matter.
>
> Make no mistake about this- it is all about money!  Large drug companies
> looked down the road 10 to 20 years, and saw that a whole gigantic market
> for
> auto-immune products stood the real risk of disappearing.  They pushed the
> FDA to nip this in the bud-
>
> Is Helminithic Therapies going to fight this-?  Is there a place where we
> can
> send money to support the defense.
>
> Three or four years from now, we might all be in trouble over this- for the
> vast
> majority of us who have had life changing benefits from helmiths, we need to
>
> help out in this.
>
> The other (and perhaps simpler choice) might be for the efforts to again be
> centered in a third world country again.
>
> Karl Granat
> 503 949-1162
>

These are dark times. Doing what precious little I can to help. Laughter
is also strong medicine. Aids pain control.

This is the kind of place Jasper needs to open up. :0)


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lizabeth Hensley <><  8-)
http://www.proofgodexists.org
http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org.

Hi Karl

I hope you are OK and recovering quickly. It is good to hear you are alive and
kicking.

AIT will be in a better position in the next couple of days to work out exactly
the way we are going to approach the problem with the FDA, but we are committed
to carrying on.

Take care

Marc

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, "l. c." <Cal1700@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends-
>
> I have been gone for the last week and a half to get a minor cardiac
> procedure
> done in S.F.
>
> The action of the FDA as I understand it is appalling- this procedure is not
> any
> different in my mind that putting micro-organisms in yogurt that are
> intended to
> live permanently in our small intestine.  They create the same kind of
> changes
> that are created by pro-biotics, necator americanus, and minerals and
> vitamins
> for that matter.
>
> Make no mistake about this- it is all about money!  Large drug companies
> looked down the road 10 to 20 years, and saw that a whole gigantic market
> for
> auto-immune products stood the real risk of disappearing.  They pushed the
> FDA to nip this in the bud-
>
> Is Helminithic Therapies going to fight this-?  Is there a place where we
> can
> send money to support the defense.
>
> Three or four years from now, we might all be in trouble over this- for the
> vast
> majority of us who have had life changing benefits from helmiths, we need to
>
> help out in this.
>
> The other (and perhaps simpler choice) might be for the efforts to again be
> centered in a third world country again.
>
> Karl Granat
> 503 949-1162
>

I saw it too.  Amazing.  At the conclusion of the show, the doctors, the main
characters of this popular show, hand their patient a glass of water with worms
in it !!
Tim, Berkeley, Calif.

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Kimberly Storey <kimberly_studio@...>
wrote:
>
> I didn't know if any of you watch the TV show House???? But they had the
hygiene Hypothisis and the the worms on there to treat the guys autoimmune
disease. it was tonights episode. did someone make that happen??
>                    
>
                                                                                \
          Kimberly
>