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Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms   Message List  
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Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms

If you get better you will know they are there because you will be well, and if
you lose them you will soon know they are gone when you get ill again, which is
typically in days or at most a couple of weeks after losing them.

A few people who have lost them have known something was "different" before
their disease came back.

I hope the guarantee is more than an abstract comfort, we have replaced
everyone's worms who has lost them for whatever reason for just the cost of
shipping.

By all means buy a microscope, I think taking charge of your health is important
and good, but remember if you use it for that purpose that your nose will be
three inches from a slide bearing excrement.

Its not much fun.

--- In helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com, Marya DeBlasi <marya_deblasi@...>
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accidentally - ever.  We here out on the worm frontier, don't know where we are
in relation to the border at any given moment, when we will fall of the edge. 
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is abstract comfort, as, most days, we can hardly convince ourselves we have
what we can't see.  I am sure many of will be following in Deb's foot steps and
buying a microscope, not because we want or need to cultivate hook worm, but to
occasionally look at the evidence; "Ah there they are, it is not a coincidence
that I've managed to stay out of the hospital after all."
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> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...> wrote:
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> From: Jasper Lawrence <jascallaw@...>
> Subject: [helminthictherapy] Re: Chicory and lettuces, and intestinal worms
> To: helminthictherapy@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:04 PM
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are worried about it don't eat or drink foods with chicory in them or minimize
the amount you eat at any one time or during the course of any one week.
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the UK. As to eating the greens in salads the quantities are very small.
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Michelle. But I have not lost my worms accidentally, ever. The only time
Michelle did it was clearly related to aerosol whipped cream and the nitrous
oxide propellant.
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at the same time, but not much. My worms were fine, thankfully.
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will have an impact based on the reference below.
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literature contains little or no evidence to support or refute this claim.
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related genus Tanacetum which includes Tansy,
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0486227995. ^ Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West, Gregory L. Tilford,
ISBN 0-87842-359- 1^ "Individual
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146 (1-2): 123â€"34. 2007-05-15. doi:10.1016/ j.vetpar. 2007.01.009.
PMID : 17336459. ^ "The use of chicory for parasite control in organic
ewes and their lambs.". Parasitology. 134 (Pt 2): 299â€"307. February 2007.
doi:10.1017/ S003118200600136 3. PMID : 17032469. ^ "The
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132 (Pt 3): 419â€"26. March 2006. doi:10.1017/ S003118200500919 4. PMID :
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properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long ago, and the
invention of anti-helminthic drugs like Ablendazole, which only came along as
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thought that they would be good for me to eat. Someone today, however, told me
that chicory was toxic to parasitic intestinal worms. Should I be avoiding
chicory? How about the other bitter lettuces, dandelion et c.?
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I have long heard that lettuces were calming to the intestines, so I thought that they would be good for me to eat.  Someone today, however, told me that...
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I very much doubt it. If any common or even uncommon herb or food had true anti-helminthic properties it would have been recognized and promoted as such long...
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Jul 6, 2009
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The only thing I have not eaten here is dandelion, you should have no problems at all. Marc...
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What of this from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicory#Use_and_toxicity Use and toxicity According to traditional folklore, long-term use of chicory...
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It is related to what I mentioned earlier, unless you eat a lot of chicory I doubt it will have an affect. Marc has eaten it, and he still has his worms. For...
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I suppose that is the salient point, that you haven't lost your worms accidentally - ever.  We here out on the worm frontier, don't know where we are in...
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If you get better you will know they are there because you will be well, and if you lose them you will soon know they are gone when you get ill again, which is...
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