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Re: [Growing Long Beards ] A Pagan Perspective   Message List  
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Just a comment on "tolerant" Islam: this is a myth
spread by the Islamist propaganda machine and its
toadies in the liberal media. Islam is in its core a
violent religion; violent suppression of dissent is a
key element of its sacred texts, the Qur'an and
Sunnah. Islam, historically, spread by violence and
ruled its subjugted peoples by violence. There is a
reason the Serbs are a bunch of crazy vendettists:
imagine being ruled by the Taliban for 500 years, and
ask yourself how YOU would act. Remember also that the
motto of Hamas is "First the Saturday people, then the
Sunday people." Islam is a barbarous and violent
ideology, and it is the greatest threat to religious
liberty in the world today. And BTW, Christians are
the most persecuted religious community in the world,
though you would hardly gather that from our
Christ-hating liberal dominated secular media.

-- Fr Seraphim von Abele
Eastern Orthodox Christian priest

--- Hal Doby <ThunderChild@...> wrote:
> Greetings once again
> The concept of a singular Diety did make a brief
> appearance in Egypt
> when the mutliple Diety workship was replaced with
> venerating a
> singular entitiy, The Aten. When the Pharaoh that
> instigated that
> practice died, the religious order was quickly
> replaced with the old
> belief system.
>
> Judiasm is the root of both Christianity and Islam.
> At times,
> Judiasm did venerate multiple minor Gods (fertility
> spirits), but
> they could not be venerated in the Temple in front
> of The God in the
> main temple area. Judiasm does not have roots in the
> worship of The
> Aten. The single Diety workship of both religions is
> coincidental.
> The discovery of The Aten "cult" was a recent event
> during the 20th
> Century and it is believed the Egyptians made a
> concerted effort to
> wipe it from history.
>
> Islam, Christianity, and Judiasm are all
> Monothiestic religions in
> that not that they workship a single diety, but
> rather they believe
> their religion is the only "true" path to divinity.
> Whether or not
> the belief system venerates a single or multiple
> Dieties is
> irrelevent. A Monothiestic religion can "tolerate"
> the existance of
> other religions, but it is more like "I'll be nice
> to you, but you
> know you are going to Hell in the long run".
>
> A Polythiestic religion believes there are multiple
> paths to The
> Divine and places equal credence on each one. A
> Polythiestic relgion
> places equal importance to the other religious
> traditions as its own
> and not only "plays nice" but speaks well of the
> others too.
>
> While being monothiestic, I feel that both Judiasm
> and Islam are
> both tolerant to other religions while Christianity
> has shown more
> intolerance and a need to assimilate through
> conversion.
>
> Paganism is a practice of religion that harkens back
> to a belief of
> Earth-based spirituality that our ancestors
> practiced. All living
> things are part of The Divine spirit. Among the
> current
> practicioners of Pagan religions are the tribes of
> Africa, Central
> and Southern America, and the Indigenous Americans.
> There are many
> other religions, such as Hinduism, that are
> non-Christian and not
> Pagan. Buddism is not a religion, but rather a
> disipline to come
> closer in contact to The Divine.
>
> People who are Satan worshippers are not Pagans, but
> rather
> something else. Most people I have spoken with see
> Satanists as a
> adverse reaction to a bed Christian dogma
> experience. Most Pagans do
> not beleive in an all-powerful, tempting, and
> controlling evil
> entity.
>
> Blessings
> Hal
> aka ThunderChildga
>
> --- In growinglongbeards@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy L.
> Castle" <castle-
> hivcns@t...> wrote:
> >
> > I know this is terribly off topic, but...
> >
> > I was under the impression that Islam,
> Christianity and Judaism
> all share
> > the same root religion.
> > The 'One God' of ancient Egypt - personified
> "Ahten Ahken" (Sorry
> for my
> > poor spelling)
> > They also share many fundamental concepts, for
> example : their
> respect of
> > human life.
> > Although I believe - overall - the Muslim religion
> has
> historically been
> > more tolerant of other cultures and religions that
> Christianity,
> > assimilating rather than converting.
> >
> > Personally, I follow a much older and more down to
> earth religion.
> >
> > BTW - Pagan ( in the western world ) is
> technically anything which
> is not
> > Christian.
>
>




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I just wanted to add my $.02. I am also a Christian. I denounce what was said on this board to the Islamic man. Hal is correct. All too often, misguided...
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I know this is terribly off topic, but... I was under the impression that Islam, Christianity and Judaism all share the same root religion. The 'One God' of...
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Greetings once again The concept of a singular Diety did make a brief appearance in Egypt when the mutliple Diety workship was replaced with venerating a ...
Hal Doby
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Jul 3, 2004
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Yes, the Aten. I love the way that the bible has nicked sections of the ancient Egyptian texts without bothering to reference the original authors :-)...
Jeremy L. Castle
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Jul 3, 2004
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Father, As a Christian man, I am surprised at the degree of hostility you hold toward others. If we all treat others the way we ourselves would want to be...
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Jul 7, 2004
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I posted once to correct some particularly egregious misinformation, and didn't reply to any other posts; this will be my last comment. Love for others does...
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Jul 7, 2004
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Just a comment on "tolerant" Islam: this is a myth spread by the Islamist propaganda machine and its toadies in the liberal media. Islam is in its core a ...
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Jul 3, 2004
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Thank you Steve P. We all can learn alot from our Brothers and Sisters if we can only agree to be civil and try to be tolerant towards each other. The Gods...
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