does any body know where i can download the videos of the kata
annan,chatanyara kusanko,nipaipo
or just send me a manual

Jim,

What type of fraud do you investigate? Fraud investigation is the bulk
of my work.

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 11:10 AM, jim_wibudoctr wrote:

> Dear Fellow members:
>
> Besides being a karate practicioner, I am also a fraud investigator
> and it looks like I may have been a target of a scam

Nov 8, 2003
2:30-4:30 PM

Clarion Hotel & Conference Center
3835 McCoy Road
Orlando, FL 32812

Cost $45
After Oct 3, add $15

Contact:
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407-816-4330

ooops, Rainbow should actually be Rising Sun Productions

Jim Prouty

Dear Fellow members:

Besides being a karate practicioner, I am also a fraud investigator
and it looks like I may have been a target of a scam by this
company. I ordered 2 books and a video in mid-July. I did receive the
video, however, never received the books. I emailed them as I noted a
typo in my mailing address, this email went unheeded for some time,
several subsequent emails later, I received a note from their
President, Don Warrener stating that their books were mailed from
their Canadian wearhouse and may take a week or longer to be
delivered across the border.

After a phone call and some more emails, I asked the CD if anyone
ever had any dealings with this company and received several private
mailings of warnings. The same evening, that I posted on the CD my
query, I received a call from this company stating that "they had not
received my book order from their Los Angeles location, but they
mailed the order yesterday and extended an apology."

To date, I have yet to receive my order. SO I would caution anyone
attempting to do business with this company. They appear to be less
than legit.

Jim Prouty

Date: Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:55 pm
Subject: Rainbow Productions




Hello all,

Has anyone had any experiences with this company? I ordered 2 books
and a
video in mid-July. I received the video promptly, but did not receive
the
books.
I noted a typo on my address and sent an e mail, and received a reply
from Don
Warrener, their President citing that they shipped the books from
their
Canadian wearhouse and the order would be arriving in another 10 or
14 days.

It is now mid-September and all my e mails and phone calls to this
company
have gone unheeded. Has anyone else had any similar problems??

Thanks,

Jim Prouty

I have emailed Mr. Warrener several times and decided not to do
business with them because he doesn't recommend his own books and
videos (from his own company).  I figured someone that doesn't
recommend their own books and videos from their own company isn't
worth doing business with.  If you know you didn't make a good video
or write a good book DON'T PUBLISH IT!...  I personally did not feel
at ease with what he said and the fact that I had to send several
emails to get a reply.  I hope this helps.

Zack

--- In gojuryu@yahoogroups.com, "jim_wibudoctr" <JundokanNE@a...>
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone had any experiences with this company? I ordered 2 books
> and a video in mid-July. I received the video promptly, but did not
> receive the books. I noted a typo on my address and sent an e mail,
> and received a reply from Don Warrener, their President citing that
> they shipped the books from their Canadian wearhouse and the order
> would be arriving in another 10 or 14 days.
>
> It is now mid-September and all my e mails and phone calls to this
> company have gone unheeded. Has anyone else had any similar
problems??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Prouty
> Jundokan Int'l of New England

Hello all,

Has anyone had any experiences with this company? I ordered 2 books
and a video in mid-July. I received the video promptly, but did not
receive the books. I noted a typo on my address and sent an e mail,
and received a reply from Don Warrener, their President citing that
they shipped the books from their Canadian wearhouse and the order
would be arriving in another 10 or 14 days.

It is now mid-September and all my e mails and phone calls to this
company have gone unheeded. Has anyone else had any similar problems??

Thanks,

Jim Prouty
Jundokan Int'l of New England

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----- Original Message -----
From: "boardragon2k" <boardragon2k@...>
To: <gojuryu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:21 AM
Subject: [gojuryu] More on Goju Classes...


> Basically I don't know which type of goju I'm interested in. I'm
> still trying to find out if it's something I want to do. I definately
> have a lot to learn. The part of souther CA I'm talking about is
> Orange County for the most part. I'm located in huntington beach,
> I'll be giving Les in Hermosa Beach a call. That seems like a good
> place to start. Thanks for everyone's help.
>

O.K. That gives everyone a chance to sorta guage what you are after. One is
not necessarily better than the other but if you don't have a preference, or
possibly even if you do, go for the class with the best teacher. I don't
know if these people have a Dojo in your area or not but you might check out
www.imgka.com Theirs is Okinawan Goju under Yagi Metatsu Sensei Judan.

..........................Tom...............................

Basically I don't know which type of goju I'm interested in. I'm
still trying to find out if it's something I want to do. I definately
have a lot to learn. The part of souther CA I'm talking about is
Orange County for the most part. I'm located in huntington beach,
I'll be giving Les in Hermosa Beach a call. That seems like a good
place to start. Thanks for everyone's help.

There is Martial Arts America in Coronado California
(Outside San Diego) They are part of the IOGKF headed
by Sensei Morio Higaonna. Up higher in San Francisco
is teh San Francisco Goju Ryu Karate school also under
IOGKF....Hope this helps

Keith Pasquinzo
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "boardragon2k" <boardragon2k@...>
> To: <gojuryu@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:55 PM
> Subject: [gojuryu] Goju Classes
>
>
> > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a
> dojo or school
> > that provides Goju Ryu instruction in Southern
> California? Thanks.
> >
> >
>
> Another thing that might help is which particular
> style of Goju would you be
> after. There are several. You might at least mention
> whether you would
> prefer Japanese Goju or Okinawan Goju. If you don't
> care or don't know the
> difference then that would be good information to
> know so we can give you
> good information.
>
>
..........................Tom............................
>
>
>


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Hi,
My name is Les Heri. I am a 3rd dan and I teach a goju
karate class in Hermosa Beach on Thursday evenings at
7pm. For further info call me at 310-316-7350




--- boardragon2k <boardragon2k@...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a
> dojo or school
> that provides Goju Ryu instruction in Southern
> California? Thanks.
>
>


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----- Original Message -----
From: "boardragon2k" <boardragon2k@...>
To: <gojuryu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:55 PM
Subject: [gojuryu] Goju Classes


> Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a dojo or school
> that provides Goju Ryu instruction in Southern California? Thanks.
>
>

Another thing that might help is which particular style of Goju would you be
after. There are several. You might at least mention whether you would
prefer Japanese Goju or Okinawan Goju. If you don't care or don't know the
difference then that would be good information to know so we can give you
good information.

..........................Tom............................

--- In gojuryu@yahoogroups.com, "boardragon2k" <boardragon2k@y...>
wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a dojo or school
> that provides Goju Ryu instruction in Southern California? Thanks.

  Could you be a bit more specific as to location? Santa Monica,
Hollywood, Bakersfield, San Marcos, Carlsbad, West Covina.
George Yanase

Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a dojo or school
that provides Goju Ryu instruction in Southern California? Thanks.

I have just uploaded Tonfa Kata to my website.
http://uk.geocities.com/sanzinsoo/
On my website, you can also see Kata of Geikisai Ichi
and Ni performed by myself. I wish my sequence pictures
could be some help to your karate studies.

Sanzinsoo
Osaka, Japan
sanzinsoo@...

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Dear friends,

I am glad to inform you that Part 2 of my sequence pictures "Gekisai Ni"
was just uploaded. I wish you would visit my website and enjoy it.

http://uk.geocities.com/sanzinsoo/

Sanzinsoo
Osaka, Japan
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I performed this Kata yesterday.

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Dear friends,

I have just finished adding Part 2 of Tonfa Kata to my website,
http://uk.geocities.com/sanzinsoo/

I learned various Kata of Kobudo from Sensei Eikichi Fukumoto. He had
studied Kobudo from Master Shimpo Matayoshi when Master Matayoshi was
still teaching Kobudo at Shodokan, Master Seiko Higa's Dojo in Okinawa.

Sanzinsoo
Osaka, Japan
sanzinsoo@...

Dear friends,

I am glad to inform you that Kata of Tonfa, Kobudo, has just been uploaded
on my website.

http://uk.geocities.com/sanzinsoo/

I was annoyed with humid climate and mosquitoes during performance, so my
performance was not satisfactory. Photographs of Part 2 will appear soon. I
wish you could enjoy it.

Sanzinsoo
sanzinsoo@...

Karin kemen while some were having e-mail clogged up you were having
your mind clogged by Wally Platt AND CMAC so who's better off?

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good riddence


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wrote:
> Then leave you are clogging up our email...
> Good bye then good riddence
> Sometimes we have to sift throught the crap my friend...
> Don't be so stressed out...
> 
> Ooooossss
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>
>




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Karin kemen while some were having e-mail clogged up you were having
your mind clogged by Wally Platt AND CMAC so who's better off?

OOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
good riddence


--- In gojuryu@yahoogroups.com, Karin kemen <armoprincess2000@y...>
wrote:
> Then leave you are clogging up our email...
> Good bye then good riddence
> Sometimes we have to sift throught the crap my friend...
> Don't be so stressed out...
>
> Ooooossss
> respect earned is respect granted....
>
>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Upton" <neerdogood@...>
To: <gojuryu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:19 AM
Subject: [gojuryu] politics and caring


>
>
> Let this demon die......we all grow weary of it.
>

No argument from me on this one.

...............Tom.........................

Very interesting. So this Busaganashi is considered a dream archetype
of Martial Arts? The moving/living energy behind all the
movements/methods? (Shiva-Shakti?)
Perhaps there are things in common here with the Kundalini energy of
Kundalini Yoga - rising to a more complete state of being, or as Dr.
Jung would have called it, Individuation. The giving over f oneself
to the Unconcious.

I've often come to the point of completely losing myself in Kata,
after the completion of the Kata it is like I remember what was going
on, but it felt more like Kata performance was in a dream. (Dunno
really how else to describe it, I've done the same thing with free-
sparring and Bunkai, my Sensei, Mike Dascenzo calls it Mushin).
In Aikido Class we did a warm up using pens. You had to get with a
partner holding a pen up with your index finger then close your eyes
and move around without letting the Pen drop. The thing is, if you
thought about it, then Pen was sure to drop and then you had to start
all over again.

I find that this simple principle runs all throughout Karate, indeed,
many of the Arts that I've had the opportunity of experiencing.
I fid it very intriguing how Martial Arts and Jung's Analytical
Psychology intertwine together, atleast that is how I notice it on my
end of the existential spectrum. :)

I have watched, for years, martial political
misgivings on various discussion groups.  It was no
different when the lists appeared on the old
listservers than it is now on Yahoo! groups.

What has amazed me is the longevity of some rather
nefarious arguments that continue to thrive for no
apparent reason.

In the end, it makes no difference who trains with
whom (not to me, not to you, not to your students, et
al), only that we train.  Who cares what is claimed by
one by, or for, another?  As I have seen posted on
several occassions, rank is artificial--what is NOT
artificial is the ability of the practitioner.

Personally, one person's truth is another's lie, and
neither mean anything to me; only my own self
understanding is relevant, only my personal history is
applicable to what I do, and only my limited knowledge
matters when it's time to step up to the plate.

I think it is heir apparent that neither Matt or Mike
care for one another.  I think that both parties have
aired their views on the various subjects that have
come to bear.  This continual debacle has continued
for years, with neither relenting because each believe
their own side.  What matters to me is this: I know
Matt, have worked out with him, and know him to be
fully capable.  My teacher has worked out with Mike
Jones (and I have the video of the meeting), and he
(my teacher) was very complimentary of Mike's
abilities.  Ultimately, this is ALL that
matters--nothing more, nothing less.

Let this demon die......we all grow weary of it.

-h

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando P. Camara" <fp3camara@...>
To: <gojuryu@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:48 AM
Subject: [gojuryu] Re: To all on the list.


>
> Hi Gary,
> Forgive me this second interference. I will no more write about.
> Great and opportune words of your teacher. Thanks you for share them
> with us. But we cannot overcome the Samsara power that now reigns in
> the martial arts. It is the Master of the Time, the Prince of vanity,
> arrogance, manipulation and lies. All that will against It, will be
> defeated.
> Back to the lurk,
>

Sorry Fernando but this is altogether too pesimistic for me. I have to
disagree. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing! Thus I feel we all have to act/think in positive ways. For this
reason I do not participate in political fights NOR do I start them. Indeed
this is one of the things that can ( and has been a factor ) in driving me
away from a Dojo.

......................Tom.....................