Hello everyone I am new to this list,

My interest in Goju Ryu comes from my involvment with Shukokai and
Shito Ryu, although these days I practice and teach my own version of
Ryukyu Kempo (used a generic term describing what we do rather than
an actual style).

I visited Fernando's website to see the revision of his excellent
articles on Goju Ryu and it's relationship to Tomari Te and Hakutsuru.

Tomari Te is something that I have been looking into for a while now
along with the origins of the many different Okinawan Kata and I tend
to compare the many variations that are practiced in the many varied
styles of Karate that exist today. I was interested in the article
that claims Chojun Miyagi got the kata Seipai, Saifa, Seiunchin,
Shisochin and Kururunfa from a different source than Kanryo Higaonna.

I posted an idea on a discussion forum a while back now, after a
period of disecting and studying the similarities and differences in
the same Kata from Shito-Ryu and Goju-Ryu and then comparing them to
Shorin Ryu kata, the idea involved suggesting that the kata Seipai,
Shisochin, Kururunfa and Seiunchin were actually Shuri-Te kata
modified by Miyagi for use in his own system.

I was virtually burnt at the stake for suggesting this and most
people who I tried to discuss this with were not even prepared to
listen to the possibilities.

I personally think, looking at the postures, kata movements and
stepping patterns in general and the way the kata work in their
application that these kata relate to (by this I do not mean that
they are exactly the same as) the following Shuri-Te Kata:

Shisochin = Gojushiho (Ueseishi)
Kururunfa = Kusanku Sho
Seipai = Bassai Sho
Seiunchin = Wanshu

I do not include Saifa Kata because I understand it to be a Miyagi
creation based on the Pinan Sandan Kata, but I will have to make more
comparisons there is always the possibility that it is the Tomari
Seisan Kata.

Any comments?

Regards

Alan Wolfenden


--- In gojuryu@y..., "Fernando P. Camara" <fpcamara@c...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Shoreijikan site's articles were totally revised. They are in
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/6758/hakutsuru_menu.htm
>
> Goju and its White Crane relationships (to whom are interested in
the
> authentic Goju style) are explained. Tomarite (Tomari was in the
> boundaries of Naha and many of the Naha masters were from Tomari,
> indeed), that have theory and methods that completes and develops
> Goju-ryu, and from where probably Miyagi got Seiunchin, Seipai,
> Shisochin and Kururunfa, was also revised.
>
> Regards,
> Fernando