Interesting...what you described almost sounds like a drug addiction.

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "Ivan Fraser"
<ivanfraser@b...> wrote:
> "We have seen dramatic results and shifts in our friends who have
> used them as well as subtle and not so subtle shifts in our own
> psyches."
>
>
> Yes, I have seen the results of these instruments on avid users on
> GWP's forum. Arrogance, aggression, hatred, ego and addiction to
> these devices contrary to the stated outcomes. All of which whilst
> those Iks claim to be spiritual and whilst the GWP maintain their
> healing technology is 'effective' - nearly 20 years ago they were
> describing complete healings, yet even today there are still
> redesigns and upgrades (more money) to fix failings in previous
> instruments. Yet, people are still needing to use them, often on a
> very regular basis. None of this makes any sense. It does however
> follow all the patterns of a scam, and people do display the
classic
> symptoms of addiction.

Hi Peter

"I got an invitation to join this "Victims" group from my membership
on the GWP discussion site. I notice as I am writing this message
that all messages must be approved by the owner before being posted.
So already, it seems there is censorship. I'm writing because I would
like to discover the intentions of this group. Is this group meant as
a discussion of the pro's and con's of the Gentle Wind Project, or
another message board for people to list their greivances against the
GWP?"


It would appear to be the ONLY message board for people to list their
grievances with the GWP.



"So far, it seems limited to people who have a greivance or see some
failing of the Project."


It is, so far.



"I have been an instrument keeper since last Fall and have never
charged anyone to use the many instruments that my wife and I own."


That's kind of you. But it isn't true in 100% of the cases. GWP use
Iks as recruitment operatives. It means they don't need to have the
hassle of doing any actual donkey work, whilst generating maximum
sales and profits. The inconvenience factor of people having to use
the instruments at others' homes, whilst feeling a need to use them
on an increasingly regular basis, makes them MORE inclined to
purchase them directly from GWP.


"We have seen dramatic results and shifts in our friends who have
used them as well as subtle and not so subtle shifts in our own
psyches."


Yes, I have seen the results of these instruments on avid users on
GWP's forum. Arrogance, aggression, hatred, ego and addiction to
these devices contrary to the stated outcomes. All of which whilst
those Iks claim to be spiritual and whilst the GWP maintain their
healing technology is 'effective' - nearly 20 years ago they were
describing complete healings, yet even today there are still
redesigns and upgrades (more money) to fix failings in previous
instruments. Yet, people are still needing to use them, often on a
very regular basis. None of this makes any sense. It does however
follow all the patterns of a scam, and people do display the classic
symptoms of addiction.



"I believe that there are tools which can help us further our own
spiritual/physical/emotional evolution."


So do I. All experience in life provides valuable lessons.



"I believe even more that we are each RESPONSIBLE for our own
evolution."


Me too. Which is why I am vehemently against anyone who will take
advantage of people's lack of understanding, vulnerabilities and
illnesses to control them and make money. If you believe that
everyone is in a position to make an informed choice and are not at
all vulnerable to clever scams, I suggest you are wrong - way wrong.
This is why we have laws in place to prevent or prosecute those who
would try and scam people, intimidate them, manipulate their minds
and emotions etc.



"I was put off by the word VICTIM in the title of this group because
all "victimhood" connnotes powerlessness and a failure to take
responsibility."


So you are blaming people for being scammed by GWP? How
compassionate! You sound like a really reasonable fellow. So there
are no victims either, except those who make themselves such? So
victims of crime, do they ask for it?

People ARE now taking responsibility by coming to this forum or
speaking out against GWP's manipulation.



"No one is forced to use the instruments or to make donations."


No, but you know as well as I that when you or your relatives have
illnesses and someone comes to you saying 'hey these instruments
heal, and they're endorsed by RNs, Doctors etc.', that they are going
to want to buy them. Surely, you can understand normal and natural
human emotions, hopes, desires, and how they are instrumental in
forming our decisions to perform actions?



"Everyone is free to vote with their feet or pocketbooks if they do
not like the outcomes."


Oh, after they have paid hundreds if not thousands of dollars, you
mean?

Are you a salesman by any chance?


"My suspicion is that Robert will not publish this posting because it
does not jive with the party line."


Oh, that's setting up a negative mindset isn't it Peter?



"That is fine, you will probably delete my membership also, thereby
doing to me, what was done to you on the GWP Discussion site; making
me a victim. LOL."


Please don't project your own values onto others Peter. This isn't
about petty retribution, or points-scoring. That may be funny to you,
but there ARE victims in this charade. It says a lot to see such
arrogance and callousness displayed on a message board for people who
have been hurt by experience.



"I hope you all direct your focus on the positive and not turn this
into a "victimfest"."



Expressing one's grievances and sharing it with others IS positive.
Then going ahead and getting things done about it is also positive.

Peter


Thank you for your contribution.

Ivan

If GWP receives $1.2 million (USD) in donations and receives the
designs for "healing instruments" with telepathic impressons, why
does GWP spending $860K (USD) "developing" the instruments?

A Rainbow Puck V will cost you a "donation" $5850.  Does GWP really
expect us to believe this takes more than $20 to make?

You can't tell me this thing costs more than $20 to "manufacture",
so why does it cost nearly $6000?

The High Density Healing Card and Pain Card looks like somebody took
some card stock for about $1, printed some weird designes and than
laminated it.  How could this cost more than $5 to make?  And GWP
sells it for $450.  That's outrageous!

Peter,

As you can see, I approved your message for posting. SURPRISE!  You
will notice the the GWP discussion group has gone to complete
moderation AND approval of all memberships.  However, I will allow
GWP followers to join and read messages.  We have no secrets hear
and our agenda is clear:  to expose GWP for the fraud that it is.
We've already managed to get one GWP event cancelled and also have
catch the attention of the office of the attorney general for the
state of Maine.  It's only a matter a time now before GWP is brought
to justice.

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, peterwu99@y... wrote:
> I got an invitation to join this "Victims" group from my
membership on
> the GWP discussion site. I notice as I am writing this message that
> all messages must be approved by the owner before being posted. So
> already, it seems there is censorship. I'm writing because I would
> like to discover the intentions of this group. Is this group meant
as
> a discussion of the pro's and con's of the Gentle Wind Project, or
> another message board for people to list their greivances against
the GWP?
>
> So far, it seems limited to people who have a greivance or see some
> failing of the Project. I have been an instrument keeper since last
> Fall and have never charged anyone to use the many instruments
that my
> wife and I own. We have seen dramatic results and shifts in our
> friends who have used them as well as subtle and not so subtle
shifts
> in our own psyches. I believe that there are tools which can help
us
> further our own spiritual/physical/emotional evolution. I believe
even
> more that we are each RESPONSIBLE for our own evolution. I was put
off
> by the word VICTIM in the title of this group because
all "victimhood"
> connnotes powerlessness and a failure to take responsibility. No
one
> is forced to use the instruments or to make donations. Everyone is
> free to vote with their feet or pocketbooks if they do not like the
> outcomes.
>
> My suspicion is that Robert will not publish this posting because
it
> does not jive with the party line. That is fine, you will probably
> delete my membership also, thereby doing to me, what was done to
you
> on the GWP Discussion site; making me a victim. LOL.
>
> I hope you all direct your focus on the positive and not turn this
> into a "victimfest".
>
> Peter

I got an invitation to join this "Victims" group from my membership on
the GWP discussion site. I notice as I am writing this message that
all messages must be approved by the owner before being posted. So
already, it seems there is censorship. I'm writing because I would
like to discover the intentions of this group. Is this group meant as
a discussion of the pro's and con's of the Gentle Wind Project, or
another message board for people to list their greivances against the GWP?

So far, it seems limited to people who have a greivance or see some
failing of the Project. I have been an instrument keeper since last
Fall and have never charged anyone to use the many instruments that my
wife and I own. We have seen dramatic results and shifts in our
friends who have used them as well as subtle and not so subtle shifts
in our own psyches. I believe that there are tools which can help us
further our own spiritual/physical/emotional evolution. I believe even
more that we are each RESPONSIBLE for our own evolution. I was put off
by the word VICTIM in the title of this group because all "victimhood"
connnotes powerlessness and a failure to take responsibility. No one
is forced to use the instruments or to make donations. Everyone is
free to vote with their feet or pocketbooks if they do not like the
outcomes.

My suspicion is that Robert will not publish this posting because it
does not jive with the party line. That is fine, you will probably
delete my membership also, thereby doing to me, what was done to you
on the GWP Discussion site; making me a victim. LOL.

I hope you all direct your focus on the positive and not turn this
into a "victimfest".

Peter

We hope that the Channel 10 piece generates enough interest for a
national story.  Hopefully SIA will know in a few days if this may
become a reality.

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "saltair57"
<saltair57@y...> wrote:
> Dear Robert and others,
>
> The Channel 10 TV show was great; thanks for the link. I'll try to
> help with a similar investigative TV piece here in NY.

Hi Alanna,

Many thanks for sharing that with us. It is much appreciated. I
understand fully what you are saying re the RN's. You say you bought
two instruments. How much were you asked to donate if you do not mind
me asking?

May I wish you every success in your attempts to bring a similar
investigative TV piece to NY. Regarding your refund, maybe the
investigation into gwp will rule that dissatified people should be
refunded in full. Who knows.

But anyway, thanks once again for having the courage to speak out and
share your story with us.

Sharon



--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "saltair57"
<saltair57@y...> wrote:
> Dear Robert and others,
>
> The Channel 10 TV show was great; thanks for the link. I'll try to
> help with a similar investigative TV piece here in NY. Several
other
> people I know are feeling burned by Gentle Wind's sales techniques
> and products. The healing instruments all sound so great at the
> seminars and when reading the materials, and then the money is
spent
> and then. . . .  Gentle Wind has been in New York for seminars and
> sold many instruments, including two to me. I am also writing to
the
> Attorney General in Maine now that I know my name won't be seen by
> Gentle Wind. Perhaps there will be a way of getting some money
> back.  I actually had to sign a statement prepared by Gentle Wind
> saying that I knew that there would be no refunds given before they
> would sell me an instrument.
>
> Seeing articles written by RNs is particularly painful to me, as I
> am in that profession.  I don't think that people licensed as RNs
> should be endorsing products for medical use that aren't approved
by
> their profession, the institutions where they work, or the FDA. Can
> anything be done about this?  Even if people believe in something
> wholeheartedly they shouldn't be using these products on their
> patients and clients, or attempting to recruit them, potentially
> setting up a client or patient to buy these products or believe in
> them. I am particularly saddened by all of this because I have
> actually passed around these instruments in a hospital setting
> myself.  This was based on my own desire to please Moe and the
other
> GWP staff, and because I believed that these things will help the
> people I give them to. Over the longer term, this has not proved to
> be true. The short term has occasionally shown some effect, but
this
> could be based on my presence with a patient, showing care and
> concern, and the placebo effect.
>
> Alanna

"Approximately two years ago I read an article about the Gentle Wind
Product in an issue of  Positive Health  Magazine. The article was
written by Mary Miller and I was very  impressed with the contents of
the article which portrayed the GWP as a non profitable organisation
which offered free healing to anyone who wished to avail of it. It
sounded too good to be true that availing of this free healing once
was all that was needed to restore my energy and physical bodies to
an optimum state of health.

I contacted the GWP headquarters in the USA and informed them  that I
was interested in obtaining a "free healing" and enquired about
contacting an instrument keeper in Ireland. I was advised that the
nearest instrument keeper to Dublin was a lady in Co.Kerry which is
some 300 kilometres from my home in Dublin. As travelling this long
distance was not an option  I was encouraged to purchase a healing
instrument for myself and was told that the Universal Healing and
Alignment Symbol was the most suitable one to start with. Following
some hard selling by the Gentle Wind official I was also encouraged
to buy a second Universal Healing and Alignment Symbol and a
Universal Healing Wall Chart . To the best of my memory the total
cost of the products was around US$400.00.. I was told that as the
GWP was a non profit making organisation I would have to sign a
donations form before the purchase could be completed. A donation
form was sent to me by fax which I duly completed and returned to the
GWP.

The healing instruments arrived at my home some  ten days later and I
followed  the instructions and carried out the initial healing . I
also hung the wall chart in one of the bedrooms. Shortly after the
initial healing  I felt a surge of energy throughout my body and I
thought to myself  "Hey this device really does work". However after
the initial euphoria wore off  I did not feel any benefits from the
use of the healing symbol and became very anxious and short tempered.
I did some meditation work and decided that the healing devices were
doing me more harm than good. I then decided to cut up one of the
Universal Healing and Alignment Symbols to determine whether or not
it contained the herbs, minerals, cell salts and precious stones that
the GWP literature suggested it did contain. I was not at all
surprised to find that there was nothing other than coloured paper
inside the laminate. I subsequently decided  to destroy the other
healing symbols and write off the money which I had invested in the
products.

In the following weeks I received a number of e.mails from the GWP
updating me with information on new and improved products , some of
which were being offered at a cost of thousands of dollars.
I have not received any communication from the GWP for some time now
and have no intention of ever getting  involved with their products
which  in my experience did not bring about any improvement in my
health or well being  but had the opposite effect."

Joe Deegan
Ireland

Full address, telephone number and e-mail address provided.

Dear Robert and others,

The Channel 10 TV show was great; thanks for the link. I'll try to
help with a similar investigative TV piece here in NY. Several other
people I know are feeling burned by Gentle Wind's sales techniques
and products. The healing instruments all sound so great at the
seminars and when reading the materials, and then the money is spent
and then. . . .  Gentle Wind has been in New York for seminars and
sold many instruments, including two to me. I am also writing to the
Attorney General in Maine now that I know my name won't be seen by
Gentle Wind. Perhaps there will be a way of getting some money
back.  I actually had to sign a statement prepared by Gentle Wind
saying that I knew that there would be no refunds given before they
would sell me an instrument.

Seeing articles written by RNs is particularly painful to me, as I
am in that profession.  I don't think that people licensed as RNs
should be endorsing products for medical use that aren't approved by
their profession, the institutions where they work, or the FDA. Can
anything be done about this?  Even if people believe in something
wholeheartedly they shouldn't be using these products on their
patients and clients, or attempting to recruit them, potentially
setting up a client or patient to buy these products or believe in
them. I am particularly saddened by all of this because I have
actually passed around these instruments in a hospital setting
myself.  This was based on my own desire to please Moe and the other
GWP staff, and because I believed that these things will help the
people I give them to. Over the longer term, this has not proved to
be true. The short term has occasionally shown some effect, but this
could be based on my presence with a patient, showing care and
concern, and the placebo effect.

Alanna

smessenger301083 <smessenger301083@...> wrote: This is good
news.

Today I was speaking with somebody who used to be involved with the
GWP in the UK. He told me that 'when people arrived at the venu the
first thing people were confronted with was a donation, or
contribution tin.' He further told me that 'people who donated money
were given a kind of ticket and only people who held a "ticket" were
allowed to use an instrument for healing.'

He said 'the average expected donation was around £20.00', which
is
approx. $35.00, 'though some paid more and some less.' On one
occasion he said he 'took a friend along who had been out of work for
4 years and was pretty sick and he felt a healing might do her some
good.' However, he '[I] was not allowed to give her an instrument to
use because she did not have a ticket.' This is when he began to
question the ethics of this group. When he was told he could not talk
about any other healing methods or products at the meetings, he left.

He said he took a number of people to these meetings and
collectively, over a period of time he said 'they spent around £300-
£350'
for
free healings, approx. $530-$620.

That says it all.

Sharon

This is good news.

Today I was speaking with somebody who used to be involved with the
GWP in the UK. He told me that 'when people arrived at the venu the
first thing people were confronted with was a donation, or
contribution tin.' He further told me that 'people who donated money
were given a kind of ticket and only people who held a "ticket" were
allowed to use an instrument for healing.'

He said 'the average expected donation was around £20.00', which
is
approx. $35.00, 'though some paid more and some less.' On one
occasion he said he 'took a friend along who had been out of work for
4 years and was pretty sick and he felt a healing might do her some
good.' However, he '[I] was not allowed to give her an instrument to
use because she did not have a ticket.' This is when he began to
question the ethics of this group. When he was told he could not talk
about any other healing methods or products at the meetings, he left.

He said he took a number of people to these meetings and
collectively, over a period of time he said 'they spent around £300-
£350'
for
free healings, approx. $530-$620.

That says it all.

S

Hi Alanna

I would also like to thank you for coming to the board.

Having investigated GWP for a couple of years now and communicated
with various people who have been involved, it is clear that the GWP
are extremely good at persuasion. They know what makes many people
tick and how to play on people's expectations and needs. They are
good enough to convince people in the medical professions!

Like most groups of this type, they know that when people begin to
see through the propaganda that they will naturally feel embarrassed
and/or guilty, and so they feel rather smug that they can continue to
get away with the scam without too much coming back on them.

Your reaction is entirely understandable! It is far from uncommon.

I have communicated with others also who have experienced a process
by which they had isolated themselves from others and situations. But
having distanced themselves from GWP and their instruments for a
while have also experienced very positive changes within themselves
and in relation to those others. In time, bridges can be rebuilt.

The 'abberant behaviour' as you describe it is an effect of the
various factors surrounding the game that the GWP play with you. Once
you break the mental association with the instruments as 'healing
devices' - and I would advise that destroying or getting rid of them
is a good way of doing this - then things will organically change for
the better.

I haven't spoken to anyone who did not find that after a couple of
weeks' abstention, that things become 'clearer' within. But there is
a transition period where people naturally are concerned whether
these devices have left any 'damage' or permanent problems. I have
been delighted to see how, in a short period thereafter, their
natural worries have been dispelled. Often embarassment and worry has
translated into a healthy and reasonable anger with the GWP and a
desire to take back the control that the GWP manipulated out of them.

Whatever you take away from your experience, no doubt you - like all
of us involved in this - have learned interesting and valuable
lessons in life. No experience is wasted, and ultimately make you
stronger and wiser for it.

So thanks again for having the courage to come forward - although
this forum is new and not exactly well-populated yet, you are not
alone, and your experiences are shared by many others, some of whom
have as yet chosen not to come forward. But the more people who do,
and who will contact the authorities the better for everyone
concerned.

I wish you well in your journey.

Love

Ivan


--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "saltair57"
<saltair57@y...> wrote:
> Dear Robert,
>
> Thanks for this discussion group. Maybe I'll be able to share some
> thoughts that I've been fearful to talk about. It's hard to admit
> that I've lost money and done things that I'm embarrassed about. At
> the time it seemed OK. I wonder if these instruments can cause
> aberrant behavior to  happen? All I know is that I've isolated
> myself from so many things. I feel like I'm slowly waking up.
>
> Alanna

To see video of the news story, please use the following link:

http://www.us-sia.org/gwp%2010%20news.wmv

What do you think?

Tonight, Channel 10 News ran a very nice story exposing the Gentle
Wind Project and it's outragous claims.  As I write this, they have
not updated their website, but I will attempt to locate a link
and/or post a coph of the story to this group.  Stay tuned.

It is my pleasure to start this group.  It's okay to be embarassed,
but now you can help fight back.

There was a news story that ran on Channel 10 in San Diego,
California.  The Maine Attorney General's office wants to hear from
people who feel they have been victimized by the Gentle Wind
Project.  The phone number is (207) 626-8591.

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "saltair57"
<saltair57@y...> wrote:
> Dear Robert,
>
> Thanks for this discussion group. Maybe I'll be able to share some
> thoughts that I've been fearful to talk about. It's hard to admit
> that I've lost money and done things that I'm embarrassed about.
At
> the time it seemed OK. I wonder if these instruments can cause
> aberrant behavior to  happen? All I know is that I've isolated
> myself from so many things. I feel like I'm slowly waking up.
>
> Alanna

Dear Robert,

Thanks for this discussion group. Maybe I'll be able to share some
thoughts that I've been fearful to talk about. It's hard to admit
that I've lost money and done things that I'm embarrassed about. At
the time it seemed OK. I wonder if these instruments can cause
aberrant behavior to  happen? All I know is that I've isolated
myself from so many things. I feel like I'm slowly waking up.

Alanna

I understand that a news station in California maybe running a
rather revealing story on the Gentle Wind Project.  I'll post more
information as I receive it.

Well, I was banished from the GWP discussion group.  I must have
ticked them off!  LOL.  Now they have changed their group settings
so the moderator approves all new memberships.  Oh well.

From what I have learned so far, they will put you in touch with an
instrument keeper for a free "healing".  However, it seems that you
need to purchase your own instruments to "sustain" the initial
healing.  What a joke!

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "equilibra1000"
<equilibra1000@y...> wrote:
> I do not consider myself to be a victim as I didn't send them any
> money. However, I did try for three years to obtain a free healing
> and a free product, without any success. I was told on each
occasion
> that if I wanted a product then I had to pay the required donation
> amount.
>
> In other words, the only way I could obtain a product was if I
> purchased one! To me, that is not a FREE healing or a free product.
>
> Steve

Considering the GWP are supposed to be Spiritual people, in touch
with the spirit world, who are here to help heal the emotions of the
world, I find it distasteful and worrisome that they have engaged in
a lawsuit to recover money from people.

As this is a RICO case (racketeering), and they are asking for triple
damages, their actions concern me. If they were to be successful,
then some of the people involved in this case could well lose their
homes and or businesses. How is that going to heal the emotions of
the world when all it would serve is to increase stress and poverty
levels on these people and make them homeless. How can this possibly
help anybody?

This to me is not the action of a loving spiritual group of people
here to help save the world. Neither are these the actions of caring,
compassionate and loving people either. All I see is a greed
mentality present. That worries me about the motives of this group.

I accept the GWP have right to protect their image, but in their
seminars they say people have the right to disagree with them and
that they respect that right. Yet the first thing they do when
criticised is to wave a big stick and launch a lawsuit against their
detractors. That is being two-faced to me.

I personally welcome an investigation into these people as something
just does not ring true with any of what they are saying or doing.

Sharon

I do not consider myself to be a victim as I didn't send them any
money. However, I did try for three years to obtain a free healing
and a free product, without any success. I was told on each occasion
that if I wanted a product then I had to pay the required donation
amount.

In other words, the only way I could obtain a product was if I
purchased one! To me, that is not a FREE healing or a free product.

Steve

According to their own promotional material they had this technology
20 years ago. It healed all your problems virtually.

So why all the upgrades?

Why does everyone go running to their 'trauma cards' at the first
whiff of a problem?

How come they aren't doing the job they are designed for?

Also according to their promotional material, the plan from
the 'spirit world' is so designed that those who would come and try
and 'knock down' the work would actually make the plan stronger, as
this plan cannot fail.

So they should be thanking us for helping them, surely?

If they didn't want the flak, they shouldn't have opened fire.

Ivan



--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "Robert St. James"
<robertstjames2003@y...> wrote:
> Below is a message from the GWP discussion group asking readers to
> sending comforting words to the staff becuase of the legal battle.
> Does this mean that their own devices aren't working the relieve
the
> stress from the laswsuit and all the criticism?
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The mood of the staff at Kittery is in need of supportive
> acknowledgment for the difficult times they are under as a result
of
> the verbal assault they have received and legal action they are
> taking.
> >
> > This is not about money. It is about sending an email to them to
> let them know that we appreciate their effort and are 100% behind
> what they are doing to help humanity.
> >
> > Please tell everyone you know to write to them. A few kind words
> can go a long way.
> >
> > If you think of anyway to improve this message do not hesitate to
> reply or call me.

Below is a message from the GWP discussion group asking readers to
sending comforting words to the staff becuase of the legal battle.
Does this mean that their own devices aren't working the relieve the
stress from the laswsuit and all the criticism?

> Hi All,
>
> The mood of the staff at Kittery is in need of supportive
acknowledgment for the difficult times they are under as a result of
the verbal assault they have received and legal action they are
taking.
>
> This is not about money. It is about sending an email to them to
let them know that we appreciate their effort and are 100% behind
what they are doing to help humanity.
>
> Please tell everyone you know to write to them. A few kind words
can go a long way.
>
> If you think of anyway to improve this message do not hesitate to
reply or call me.

I expect to be banned any minute because I invited the entire
membership of the other discussion group to join this one!  I did it
just to see what kind of reaction I would get from them.

--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "ivanfraser2003"
<ivanfraser@b...> wrote:
> Hi Robert, that's what I gathered. Thank you for your efforts,
really
> appreciated!
>
> However, GWP will more than likely find this site, log in and
report
> back to the discussion group, whereupon you will likely get
banned,
> as happened to myself.
>
> Thanks again and best wishes
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
> --- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "Robert St. James"
> <robertstjames2003@y...> wrote:
> > There has been some speculation that I am a "plant" by GWP
because
> I
> > also am a member of the GWP discussion.  Rest assured that I am
> > working with an organization in California called Special
> > Investigations Agency that is actively pursuing an investigation
of
> > GWP.  My goal is simply to assist in the investigation and
relieve
> > some of the pressure on the staff as SIA.  I am a member of the
GWP
> > discussion group only for the purposes of monitoring their
> > activities and gathering evidence.

Hi Robert, that's what I gathered. Thank you for your efforts, really
appreciated!

However, GWP will more than likely find this site, log in and report
back to the discussion group, whereupon you will likely get banned,
as happened to myself.

Thanks again and best wishes

Ivan



--- In gentlewindvictims@yahoogroups.com, "Robert St. James"
<robertstjames2003@y...> wrote:
> There has been some speculation that I am a "plant" by GWP because
I
> also am a member of the GWP discussion.  Rest assured that I am
> working with an organization in California called Special
> Investigations Agency that is actively pursuing an investigation of
> GWP.  My goal is simply to assist in the investigation and relieve
> some of the pressure on the staff as SIA.  I am a member of the GWP
> discussion group only for the purposes of monitoring their
> activities and gathering evidence.

There has been some speculation that I am a "plant" by GWP because I
also am a member of the GWP discussion.  Rest assured that I am
working with an organization in California called Special
Investigations Agency that is actively pursuing an investigation of
GWP.  My goal is simply to assist in the investigation and relieve
some of the pressure on the staff as SIA.  I am a member of the GWP
discussion group only for the purposes of monitoring their
activities and gathering evidence.

Welcome to the only internet discussion group devoted to victims that
have been defrauded by the Gentle Wind Project.  We are hoping to
gather enough evidence so that the proper authorities may be expose
GWP for what it really is.

PLease post your experiences here.  If you have information to share
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