Yes - I am way ahead of myself, too! That's because I haven't done any of this
work yet either; my lab and I are just starting to try to adapt some of Glenn's
work to our lab.

Glenn are you out there? One option, if you think this is a good idea, would be
for Sara to post the latest FIAT and FAPRS in pdf. form on the fap website.

Oliver - I'm very interested in these other behavior analytic coding systems
that you mention. Are any of them published in English?

Jonathan


Quoting Oliver Zancul Prado <ozp@...>:

>
> Hello Jonathan!!
> You are decades ahead of us!
> I work with FAP mostly in my clinical office and I use it also on the
> clinical supervision at the universtity.
> But its just clinical training, no research is done there.
>
> But I have great interest in those issues that you've wrote.
> I've searched google and found references and articles about the FAPRS,
> but I did not even tried to search for FIAT (because only car results
> would come)
> Is there a way to get those instruments?
>
> My research area is psychology and informatics, my master degree was
> about Internet therapy and working alliance (see an article here:
> http://www.psico.net/arquivos/)
>
> Now I'm focused on the development of a management system for clinical
> psychology.
> Hopefully when I get the financial support for it, there will be place
> for lots of coding systems there.
>
> Also, my master advisor (and many others brazilian researchers) are
> working on coding systems based on behavior analysis, but I did not
> heard of any one that is FAP related until now.
>
> Regards!
>
> Oliver
>
>
>
> Jonathan Kanter wrote:
>
> >Welcome Oliver to the list. The FAP listserve is just starting up, and
> >none of us have really started using it consistently yet, so apologies
> >about no one replying to you. Hopefully we will get more active and this
> >listserve will become useful.
> >
> >My students and I have been having lots of discussions about how to
> >conduct FAP research lately, and they encouraged me to post some of
> >these thoughts on this list. Hopefully this will generate discussion. If
> >no one responds Im quitting this listserve. (just kidding)
> >
> >I am becoming more and more strident about the necessity of remaining
> >behavior analytic in this research. To me, the key is idiographic
> >assessment, conceptualization, and measurement of CRBs and how they
> >change over the course of therapy. I am slowly seeing a model for what
> >this research should involve. This of course is what Glenn has been
> >working on for several years now, so what I write below will be quite
> >redundant with Glenns work. Im summarizing it here because Im really
> >interested in a program of research that systematically addresses the
> >various themes important to FAP, and Im just now starting to see how
> >all the pieces that Glenn has been working on fit together.
> >
> >1. Case conceptualization and FAP assessment to determine CRBs. There
> >are several research questions here.
> >
> >a. First, are there classes of CRBs? Glenn has made an attempt to come
> >up with these with the FIAT interview. The FIAT ended up classifying
> >CRBs into five potential categories (assertiveness, bi-directional
> >communication, conflict, disclosure, and emotional expression). More
> >loosely, I know in some FAP writings by Bobs lab CRBs have been
> >classified into three categories (intimacy, avoidance, and cognitive).
> >
> >b. Second, can some sort of interview be developed to reliably identify
> >such classes? Again, Glenn has already worked on this, but unfortunately
> >my labs brief, initial attempts to use his system in a reliable way
> >failed rather badly, so work has to be done in this area. But it seems
> >doable. For example, once an interview is created, two people could
> >independently interview the same person to see if the same CRBs result,
> >or two people could watch the same interview and we would see if these
> >two raters would come up with the same CRBs.
> >
> >2. Once CRBs can be reliably identified, can they be operationalized in
> >a way that allows for weekly measurement? Measurement would have to be
> >of both in-session CRBs and corresponding outside problems.
> >
> >a. Glenns FAPRS system is meant to measure the occurrence of the CRBs
> >in session. Unlike the FIAT, where I see room for some improvement, I
> >think the FAPRS is pretty close to perfect, as long as it can be
> >established that raters can use it reliably. I know Glenn has already
> >studied this and right now we are trying to learn the system and test
> >out reliability between us and Glenn.
> >
> >b. The FIAT is designed to measure corresponding out of session
> >problems. In our lab, weve been trying to use a form of the FIAT to
> >track problems that we identified idiographically with two current
> >clients, and it has been very difficult. Weve been hoping to establish
> >a stable baseline in these problems over several weeks before
> >implementing the interventions, in classic A-B design fashion, but it
> >has been extremely frustrating because the clients arent reporting the
> >problems reliably, so the baselines are unstable.
> >
> >3. Once CRBs can be reliably identified, and both in session CRBs and
> >corresponding out of session problems can be reliably measured, we can
> >put the whole thing together, and try to show a relationship between the
> >occurrences of in session CRBs (identified with a reliable interview and
> >measured with a reliable observer-based system), contingent therapist
> >responding to CRBs (measured with reliable observer-based system) and
> >corresponding out of session problems (reported reliably by the clients
> >using the FIAT or a similar diary card system). Glenn has already worked
> >on half of this equation  using lag analysis to show a relationship
> >between in session CRBs and in session therapist responding, but I dont
> >know if he has also added in the statistical relation to changes in out
> >of session problems.
> >
> >Thats the program. Any comments or thoughts are welcome.
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