I've read in several places that every 4 hours is an appropriate schedule, but
as I read TK's chelating suggestions it says(every 3 hours during the day):

"Start ROUND 4 with 12.5mg DMSA and start ALA 12.5mg or less with each dose.
Take both doses every 3 hours on the hour or more frequently, including waking
up at night. You can stretch it to every 4 hours ONLY at night if it helps you
get a little more sleep, but go back to every 3 hours during the day."

Help?

Can I take a whole food vitamin four times a day along with the other
recommended nutritionals not found in the vitamin to simplify the pill popping
procedure?  Will the body not eliminate any excess in vitamins when taking four
of them?  I've posted an example of what's in an organic whole food vitamin that
Whole Foods sells:


Made with Organic Ingredients
One tablet daily. Can be taken anytime, even on an empty stomach.
One tablet contains Probiotic Nutrients

Vitamin A (100% as beta-carotene)†6000 IU
Vitamin C†66 mg
Vitamin D†400 IU
Vitamin E†33 IU
Vitamin K†80 mcg
Thiamin-Vitamin B1†1.5 mg
Riboflavin-Vitamin B2†1.7 mg
Niacin†20 mg
Vitamin B6†2 mg
Folate†400 mcg
Vitamin B12†12 mcg
Biotin†150 mcg
Pantothenic Acid†10 mg
Iodine†75 mcg
Magnesium†5 mg
Zinc†15 mg
Selenium†75 mcg
Copper†1.5 mg
Manganese†1 mg
Chromium†60 mcg
Molybdenum†20 mcg
Potassium†1 mg
Mixed Carotenoids†4 mg

Organic Cultured Herbal Extracts (Proprietary Blend) %DVMen's LifeShield®
Response † [Schizandra (berry)‡, Maca (root)‡, Artichoke (leaf)‡, Fenugreek
(seed)‡]6 mg •Immune Support Response † [Astragalus (root)‡, Elderberry
(berry)‡, Shiitake (mushroom)‡, Cordyceps (mushroom)‡, Reishi (mushroom)‡,
Maitake (mushroom)‡] 6 mg •  Superfoods and Spices (Proprietary Blend) %DVSoy
Lecithin (non-GMO)† ***24 mg •Organic Blueberry (fruit)6.2 mg •Ginger (rhizome)
3.2 mg hydroethanolic extract and 0.8 mg organic supercritical extract 4 mg
•Turmeric (rhizome) 3.2 mg hydroethanolic extract and 0.8 mg organic
supercritical extract 4 mg

† Nutrients are cultured in organic media that may contain: organic milled soy,
organic yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), organic maltodextrin, organic gum
acacia, organic orange and lemon peel - natural sources of bioflavonoids,
organic carrot powder, organic alfalfa powder, enzymes and Lactobacilli (L.
acidophilus, L. bifidus, L. rhamnosus)

*** A natural source of choline, inositol, linoleic and linolenic acids
Other ingredients: Organic gum acacia, silica, organic pre-gelatinized maize
starch, lac resin, and carnauba wax.
Contains: Fermented soy

Curious about any heavy metals in the cookware, I e-mailed them and this was
their response:

"We are delighted to assist you today! Our new line of all ceramic cookware not
only does not contain lead, it contains no metals at all!  This includes metals
like aluminum and copper, or even metals like cadmium, nickel, iron, cobalt, or
chromium.  The ceramics in the cookware are made from 100% natural, in-organic
minerals and even the kiln used to fire the ceramics, burns clean natural gas
which means that at no point in the life of this cookware is it exposed to
hazardous metals or chemicals."

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Scarano" <chris@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Jim!
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, IDC2000@ wrote:
> >
> > I bought Mercola's set, and it works okay.  Wished the set was bigger  with
> > more variety of pieces, and a bit pricey.   Do need to be careful  on the
> > glass top range though for scratching.
> >
> > But if you're used to stainless, this should work good for you.   I've had
> > them about 6 months now, they've held up great.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>

2009/11/12 David Sherratt Johnson <reconstructions@...>:
> Hi pattipili,
> I have largely recovered from most of my amalgam-related problems, but a round
of 3 mg ALA can make me sick for 4-6 weeks, and .125 - .25 mg ALA is the most I
can tolerate without having problems.
> Good luck,
> Dave

What pattipili was asking about was to do with PRE Amalgam removal ALA
taken by mistake (ie hidden in supplements). i chelated with ALA
without knowing i had an amalgam filling in my mouth. As soon as i
discovered the filling i stopped the ALA and got some DMSA instead. By
then (about 1 round i think) mercury had already moved to my brain
where i think its affecting my left sided hearing.

i think it's possible that mercury moved into your brain but for me it
was 2 years ago and im gradually recovering with chelation.

--
Alexis

Thanks everyone for the info regarding chelation and waiting
until you get amalgams out.

What time frame does everyone suggestion inbetween doing
quadrants?  I just had one quadrant done at the end of October
and have been feeling really bad ever since.  My dr. wants me
to wait three months, which will mean another 9 months before
beginning chelation.

Also, I'm new to this sight and haven't figured everything out.
Where do we go for an answer from Andy.

Thanks,
Leslie

i actually went to a heart hospital, chest, neck pressure, nausea and
nothing. they gave me a GI cocktail which helped but i later figured out it
was too much hydrocortisone.

had anxiety type of symptoms before i got my hormones/adrenals under control
and started ALA. getting the right adrenal support while  on Armour is
really important.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Boogie Check <boogie_check@...> wrote:

>
>
> > I can feel light headed, almost floating. Dizzy but not fainting. My
> blood pressure is LOW (90/60 my entire adulthood and as low as 80/50) and
> yours could be, too. Any chance you can just find a free BP monitor at a
> Walgreens or mall to get an idea? I also experience a fullness/tightness in
> my throat and sometimes my chest and down my arm. Heart palps, too. All
> under unstressful circumstances.
>
> My BP is 130/90
>
> I am in adrenal fatigue stage 4..and trying out cortef now..
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Livene, if I can jump in here, the fact that you get what sounds like panic
> attacks going out in public shouts "anxiety" to me.  Your adrenals can
> certainly make you feel panicky in a physical way even though you're not
> "mentally" panicky.  I hope that makes sense.
>
> Let me ask you, regarding feeling the pressure in the chest, and possibly
> being air hungry--do you experience this while walking?  Do you yawn during
> exercise like walking?  This was happening to me when I used to be able to
> do aerobics and jogging.  I kept yawning during the exercise and didn't
> realize what that was about until I discovered the mercury poisoning
> diagnosis.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Be well,
> Robyn
>
>

Hello all-
I am an actor and teacher of acting. I currently teach at UCSB.
(http://www.theaterdance.ucsb.edu/people_facultyprofile.php?ResearcherID=200   
) I am, more importantly, the mom to 2 amazing boys, one of whom is autistic. I
am beginning work on a theatre project about autism.  My hope is that in sharing
the stories of many different people in the world of autism, especially those on
the "spectrum" themselves, audiences can come to a deeper understanding of the
joys, struggles and wonderful uniqueness that accompany autism.  I hope that
this theatre piece will engender a greater respect and understanding for all,
and help the world to celebrate rather than criticize or fear  "differentness" .

I'm very interested in interviewing some folks who want their voices heard.
Please get in touch with me if you'd be interested in spending some time talking
with me. I'd  also really appreciate it if you'd pass this on to others who you
think might be willing to  meet with me. I'm located in Santa Barbara, but plan
on traveling when it's required.
I wish you all the best and thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
Annie Torsiglieri
atorsiglieri@...
anniet1@...
917-834-7508

Hi pattipili,
I have largely recovered from most of my amalgam-related problems, but a round
of 3 mg ALA can make me sick for 4-6 weeks, and .125 - .25 mg ALA is the most I
can tolerate without having problems.
Good luck,
Dave

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I just had all my amalgams removed a month ago (about 8 of them) with a
biological dentist.  I have been on all the supplements Andy says to take to
make yourself feel better.  I am waiting another month for my immune system to
heal somewhat before starting the Cutler Chelation.

My question is this: for several months now I have been taking a supplement
which unbeknownst to me contains 1mg of ALA and I would take it 1-3x day.  Could
this small amount have been chelating my brain if even on a small level??  (I
ask because I have had strong debilitating occurances happening on the left side
of my head, I feel like I'm cleansing and staying positive but I sets me down
for the count when it happens. I have found that magnesium hugely calms these
brain spells)

So, recapping could such a small dose of ALA have been mildly chelating me?

If you are low and actually tolerate iron and it helps, then its fine to take
some, but many toxic people do poorly with iron.  Andy explains this in HTI, and
it has been discussed here before.  Basically what happens is that iron causes
oxidative stress, which heavy metals do too, so in an effort to protect itself,
you body may dump your iron stores, to try to lower this.  This has happened to
a few of us here, including myself, as my ferritin level was only 4 like 4 years
ago.  And when I tried supplementing iron, it made me feel sick.  In this event,
Andy says what you need to do is lower oxidative stress by increasing your
antioxidant intake, especially Vit C, and this should help increase your
ferritin levels.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that iron isn't good for everyone, and it is
one of the supps that Andy warns against taking, unless you really need it and
it actually makes you feel better.  And that is always the bottom line, what
works for *you*.  And that may be different for different people.--------Jackie




--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, isaiah harrison <e34liphe@...>
wrote:
>
> I think iron gets a bad rap, but if you're not digesting well it will be hard
to absorb it, the one downside is it can make a cold worse so it you have a cold
or you feel like one is coming on, i would pause.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:
>
> Now that you say this about iron/insomnia, I think it helped me, too.  I
switched my multi to one that contains iron and I have been sleeping better. 
Interesting!
>
> pam
>
>
> --- In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com, isaiah harrison <e34liphe@
.> wrote:
>
> > supplemental iron really helped my insomnia.
>
>
>
> >       2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@ yahoo.com>:
>
> > > Hi Alexis:
>
> > > I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and
three days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia
starts, my gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals
building up all over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and
arms.
>
> >
>

Do you have Andy's Hair Test Interpretation book?  If not, I would suggest you
get it, since you seem to have a great interest in hair tests and what mercury
does to them.  He explains alot in there about deranged mineral transport, and
which minerals are more likely to be affected.  And lithium falls into that
group, as one of the minerals more likely than others to go in the red when
mercury is a problem.

Everyone is different, so mercury can affect us differently, so that's why the
counting rules are set up as they are, counting the number of items out of
place, not specifically which ones.  Although, again, Andy does mention in there
which ones are *more* likely to go out of range than the others.

Also, in HTI, Andy does say that the amount of lithium found in the soil, so
hence getting into food, varies alot by location, and can be part of the reason
for many people being low red.

Jay has some posts collected about lithium at the wiki, although I'm sure there
are many more if you search archives, as this talks mostly about dosing I think,
although I didn't go and read them all.  Hope this helps, and again, I suggest
you get the book.------Jackie

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Lithium


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. But there hair tests with normal lithium levels but people are
> still mercury poisoned. How would you explain that?
>
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 9:42 AM, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "alexnyc1997"
> > <adz1997@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I've been looking through the DDI hair tests on livingnetwork site
> > and I noticed that most of them have one thing in common a low level
> > of lithium. What does that mean? Anyone know? I heard that lithium
> > levels relate to the brain somehow.
> > >
> >
> > Low lithium is one of the factors that can indicate mercury
> > toxicity. Maybe it has to do with the way that mercury interferes
> > with mineral transport. When lithium is low on a hair test, we
> > recommend supplementing it (low doses like we get from a health food
> > store, not pharmacological doses).
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Alex
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think iron gets a bad rap, but if you're not digesting well it will be hard to
absorb it, the one downside is it can make a cold worse so it you have a cold or
you feel like one is coming on, i would pause.


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Pamela H <phaselow@...> wrote:

Now that you say this about iron/insomnia, I think it helped me, too.  I
switched my multi to one that contains iron and I have been sleeping better. 
Interesting!

pam


--- In frequent-dose- chelation@ yahoogroups. com, isaiah harrison <e34liphe@..
.> wrote:

> supplemental iron really helped my insomnia.



>       2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@ yahoo.com>:

> > Hi Alexis:

> > I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts,
my gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up
all over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.

>

Thanks. But there hair tests with normal lithium levels but people are
still mercury poisoned. How would you explain that?



On Nov 12, 2009, at 9:42 AM, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "alexnyc1997"
> <adz1997@...> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I've been looking through the DDI hair tests on livingnetwork site
> and I noticed that most of them have one thing in common a low level
> of lithium. What does that mean? Anyone know? I heard that lithium
> levels relate to the brain somehow.
> >
>
> Low lithium is one of the factors that can indicate mercury
> toxicity. Maybe it has to do with the way that mercury interferes
> with mineral transport. When lithium is low on a hair test, we
> recommend supplementing it (low doses like we get from a health food
> store, not pharmacological doses).
>
> Linda
>
> > Thanks
> > Alex
> >
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I went through Andy's supplement lists in AI and tried to simplify it for new
people.  Below is my interpretation.  What do you think?  Is this way of listing
them easier to follow?

----------------------------------------------
Linda's version of Andy's supplement list, for adults.

All supplements are to be taken at the same doses on or off rounds.  These
supplements are also helpful to take before and during amalgam removal, when
preparing for chelation, and when taking breaks from chelation.

Water soluble (W) supplements are to be taken in 3-4 divided doses (with meals
and at bedtime).

Oil soluble (O) supplements can be taken once/day

The Four essential supplements:

- Vitamin C (W), 4-12 g/day

- Magnesium (W),750 mg/day

- Zinc (W), 50-100 mg/day (100 mg to start, 50 mg when you begin using ALA)

- Vitamin E (O), 400-1000 IU/day

The next most important group of essential supplements:

- Milk Thistle Extract (W), equivalent to 250-750 mg silymarin

- Fish Oil or Flax Oil (O), 15-50 g (1 - 3 1/3 T). *

- B 100 or B 50 complex (W), 2-4/day

- molybdenum (W), 1,000 mcg/day

- chromium picolinate (W), 600-1000 mcg/day (200 mcg with each meal)

- coenzyme Q10 (W), 100-400 mg/day

- Vitamin A, 10,000-20,000 IU/day (women with potential to become pregnant
should supplement below 10,000 IU)**

- Vitamin D, 1,000-2000 IU/day (use 25(OH)vitamin D blood tests to bring levels
up to an optimal range of 100-150 nmol/L) **

Other important supplements to consider (see "Amalgam Illness" for indications
and dosage)

- lecithin or phosphatidylcholine

- vitamin B6 and B12

- Folic acid

- Inositol

- taurine

- Lysine

- Arginine

- acetyl-L-carnitine

- trimethylglycine

- histidine

- Accolate (Rx)

- Forskolin

- DHEA

- pregnenolone

- cortisol (Rx)

- dessicated thyroid (Rx)

- Borage oil (or evening primrose oil) as a source of GLA

- Hydergine (Ergoloid mesylate)  Rx

- vinpocetine

More supplements and medications are described on pages 133-167 of "Amalgam
Illness".  Use that section to match your symptoms to supplements that might
help to alleviate those symptoms during chelation.

-----------------------------------------------------------------




* Start with fish or cod liver oil and replace some of the total amount needed
with flax oil as tolerated and depending on what you can afford.  Good quality
fish oil is a more expensive source of omega 3 oil than flax oil.  Some people
do not have the enzymes needed to convert flax oil.

** If you are using cod liver oil as a source of omega 3, check to see how much
of the daily vitamin A and D requirement is supplied.


----------------------------------------------------------------


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Scarano" <chris@...>
wrote:
>
> Please do bore me... I want to do this proper!
> I've posted here the lists that I compiled from reading Andy's book.  Since I
do have memory problems I will have to read it again to verify it is correct.
> Any comments would help.  It just seems like there is way too much stuff to
take.  Is there not a healthy multi that can elimate some of these?
>
> Nutritionals:
> B100 - TIME RELEASE
> VITAMIN C(BUFFERED) - 8 GRAMS
> VITAMIN E - 1000 IU
> B6 - 500 MG
> B12(SUBLINGUAL) - 10,000+ MCG
> MILK THISTLE EXTRACT - 300+ MG
> FLAX OIL(OMEGA 3) - 10+ GRAMS
> BORAGE OIL(OMEGA 6) 1 TO 4 GRAMS
> LECITIN - 10+ GRAMS
> CO-Q-10 - 100+ MG
> DHEA - 50 MG
> ECHINACEA(5 DAYS PER MONTH) dosage???
>
> Additional Supplementation:
> CAROTENE - 7.5+ MG
> INOSITOL - 2-12 GRAMS
> LYSINE - 2 GRAMS
> ARGININE - 6 GRAMS
> MAGNESIUM - 750 MG
> CHROMIUM - 1,000 MCG
> ACETYL-L-CARNITINE - 1 TO 2 GRAMS
> ZINC - 50-100 MG
> MOLYBDENUM - 1,000 MCG
>
> Also:
> FORSKOLIN - 80 MG
> PREGNENOLONE - 300 MG
> CORTISOL OR HYDROCORTISONE dosage???
> DESICCATED THYROID ???
> FOLIC ACID - 1.6 TO 10 MG
> TRIMETHYLGLYCINE - 1.5 TO 3 GRAMS
> HISTIDINE - .5 TO 2 GRAMS
> ACCOLATE ???
> TAURINE - 500 TO 3,000 MG
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "colette" <cann7899@> wrote:
> >
> > ==Take the total amount for the day and divide into 4. I have a few
exceptions
> >
> > Zinc - 25 mg (2x a day, 25 at am and 25 at dinner)
> > B complesx - 100mg total divided into 4 - 25 mg doses
> > 8000mg vit c - divided into 4, 2000 mg doses
> > Magnesium - 400 total, divided into 4 100mg doses
> >
> > You get the picture.  I take more stuff but won't bore ya with the details.
> >
> > I take the doses at breakfast, lunch, dinner and bedtime.
> >
> > Colette
> > ======
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Scarano" <chris@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I wrote down a list of all of the nutritionals and supplementation Andy
recommends but I am confused about how many times a day I should take them.  Do
I shove them all down first thing in the morning or do a take some of them
throughout the day?
> > >
> >
>

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "alexnyc1997" <adz1997@...>
wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I've been looking through the DDI hair tests on livingnetwork site and I
noticed that most of them have one thing in common a low level of lithium. What
does that mean? Anyone know? I heard that lithium levels relate to the brain
somehow.
>


Low lithium is one of the factors that can indicate mercury toxicity.  Maybe it
has to do with the way that mercury interferes with mineral transport.  When
lithium is low on a hair test, we recommend supplementing it (low doses like we
get from a health food store, not pharmacological doses).

Linda


> Thanks
> Alex
>

Hello

2009/11/12 lindajaytee <lindajaytee@...>:
>
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "jackietutts" <jtrunt@...>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ------Hey Linda....That's great to hear!  Although I have to say that the
recent emotional stress has taken its toll, I do feel rather wiped out and
emotionally spent right now.  So my adrenals have taken a hit, but it is not an
adrenal crash by any means.  They're just telling me to take it easy for awhile
and give them a break.  I did some stress dosing yesterday, and that seemed to
help.  But again, the fact that I was willing to get so passionately involved in
things lately, I think is a sign of improvement in a big way.  So what have your
"glimmers" been?------Jackie
>>
>
> ==>Well, swimming 30-40 lengths at a time is one glimmer.... and I can do it
more than once a week... and with normal amounts of cortisol.  I haven't been
sick for a long time... I suppose that would have been my old self way back in
early childhood because the frequent illnesses started in University.  When I'm
reading I don't get side tracked like I used to.... so can read whole books,
remember parts and get interested in the topic.  I like that.  With the better
memory, I can remember what I was doing long enough to finish it... sometimes.
 Lots of little things like that.  Like you, I feel some passion coming back.

* Wow well done i havent been able to do that since about 2 years post
amalgam insertion (ME was taking hold at the time).
>
> ==>My biggest problem now is pain, and I think that is from injuries.  Oh
yeah, my other problem is sleeping too much.  The sleep problem seems almost
under control now since I discovered I have sleep apnea and got a CPAP machine.

* i also have more problems with pain than i realised. For some reason
the pain goes when im in the canary islands but with it the initiative
i have comes back. i take occasional paracetamol and swimming also
helps the pain. If this cold goes then i can attend swimming pool
tomorrow. i think i sleep too much due to my fibro since i dont drop
off during the day unless im really stressed out.
i had a milk thistle/licorice Dr Seuss tea last night and it helped me
settle down.

--
Alexis

Now that you say this about iron/insomnia, I think it helped me, too.  I
switched my multi to one that contains iron and I have been sleeping better. 
Interesting!

pam


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, isaiah harrison <e34liphe@...>
wrote:
>
> supplemental iron really helped my insomnia.
>
>
>
>       2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@ yahoo.com>:
>
> > Hi Alexis:
>
> >
>
> > I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts, my
gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up all
over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.
>

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "jackietutts" <jtrunt@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> ------Hey Linda....That's great to hear!  Although I have to say that the
recent emotional stress has taken its toll, I do feel rather wiped out and
emotionally spent right now.  So my adrenals have taken a hit, but it is not an
adrenal crash by any means.  They're just telling me to take it easy for awhile
and give them a break.  I did some stress dosing yesterday, and that seemed to
help.  But again, the fact that I was willing to get so passionately involved in
things lately, I think is a sign of improvement in a big way.  So what have your
"glimmers" been?------Jackie
>

==>Well, swimming 30-40 lengths at a time is one glimmer.... and I can do it
more than once a week... and with normal amounts of cortisol.  I haven't been
sick for a long time... I suppose that would have been my old self way back in
early childhood because the frequent illnesses started in University.  When I'm
reading I don't get side tracked like I used to.... so can read whole books,
remember parts and get interested in the topic.  I like that.  With the better
memory, I can remember what I was doing long enough to finish it... sometimes. 
Lots of little things like that.  Like you, I feel some passion coming back.

==>My biggest problem now is pain, and I think that is from injuries.  Oh yeah,
my other problem is sleeping too much.  The sleep problem seems almost under
control now since I discovered I have sleep apnea and got a CPAP machine.

Linda



>
>

Isaiah,
Did you know you were low on iron? Did you do a simple blood test?
 
I don't show up low on iron, but I do on ferritin - which is the storing of iron
(as much as I know about it).
-E.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, isaiah harrison <e34liphe@...> wrote:


From: isaiah harrison <e34liphe@...>
Subject: Re: [frequent-dose-chelation] Chelation Pause _ Why is it important?
To: frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:56 PM


 



supplemental iron really helped my insomnia.

2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@ yahoo.com>:

> Hi Alexis:

>

> I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts, my
gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up all
over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.











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--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "dlee427" <dlee427@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> So i have a supplement called Overdrive by Nuskin and it has chromium and some
other stuf or recovery but it also have about 50mg of NAC in it. I have heard
this is good or bad but I'm not sure how it relates to someone that hasn't
currently gotten their fillings out. Should I avoid this product?
>

--------I am not familiar with this product at all, and we usually suggest
taking your supplements separately, so you know how you react to each
ingredient.  I have given some links about NAC, that I hope will explain this
well, but it has to do with your plasma cysteine levels, whether you should take
NAC or not.  It doesn't matter whether you still have fillings in or not.  If
your plasma cysteine levels are low, then NAC may help you feel better.  If they
are already high, then it will make you feel worse, and should be avoided.  This
is all related to the sulfur foods we talk about.  I hope this
helps.------Jackie


http://onibasu.com/wiki/N-Acetyl_Cysteine_(NAC)
http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status

Hello

2009/11/10 Elizabeth <sendtoelizabeth@...>:
> I'm just wondering if anyone has used tryptophan as a supplement to help you
sleep. I've really gone through the list but I haven't tried tryptophan since I
eat plenty of turkey...but I was just reading that the protein would stop any
sleep effects from the tryptophan.
>
> As usual, I'm desperate for sleep so it's truly one of the last I haven't
tried.

Yes im on 5htp which is a form of tryptophan and it makes me sleep,
less depressed and hungry.
>
> So if anyone has experience with it, for us mercury toxic people in desperate
need for sleep, please tell me if you found it helpful or > not. For myself,
it's the hardest symptom I deal with. I'm just so tired of being - tired.

Im the same and im treating fibromyalgia.

--
Alexis

supplemental iron really helped my insomnia.



       2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@ yahoo.com>:

> Hi Alexis:

>

> I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts, my
gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up all
over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.

I tried sending a message earlier not
sure if I sent it or not.

Was intrigued by the information you
provided of your Raynauds improving.
I have it as well and was wondering
what brand/product Milk Thistle you
are taking. Also is it an extract,
tincture, or whole powder? How much
throughout the day? Has any other
supplement helped your sensitivity
to cold?

I've been chelating with ALA 25mg +
DMPS 15mg 5 day rounds, nearly 25
rounds.

-David

2009/11/11 Regina Ferraro <ferraro5050@...>:
> Hi Alexis:
>
> I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts, my
gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up all over
my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.

* Sorry to hear it isnt going too well. Actually someone else was the
original poster. Can you tolerate 5htp? I use 150mg and its the only
anti depressant that works for me. i also take taurine 1g per night
both are available from a HFS but 5htp is fairly expensive at least in
the uk.
(snip)
--
Alexis

Hi,

So i have a supplement called Overdrive by Nuskin and it has chromium and some
other stuf or recovery but it also have about 50mg of NAC in it. I have heard
this is good or bad but I'm not sure how it relates to someone that hasn't
currently gotten their fillings out. Should I avoid this product?

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "alexnyc1997" <adz1997@...>
wrote:
>
> Colette,
>
> Thank you for your response. Can you tell me how long did it take for your
symptoms to disappear? I read on Dr.Huggins site that B12 is not a good vitamin
to take because it can move mercury around. Is that true?

-----No.  Andy and Boyd Haley disagree with Huggins on this.  I would trust the
chemists when it comes to stuff like this ;)   In general, Huggins is a dentist
and good at the dental stuff, but when it comes to chelation, I would only trust
Cutler.  Here are a couple of posts by Andy that Linda has saved in our Links
section, and many more can be found by searching onibasu.------Jackie


http://onibasu.com/archives/am/92940.html
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/73181.html


>
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--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...>
wrote:
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>
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "jackietutts" <jtrunt@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > ------  But I am hopeful by the amount of things I've been able to do
and the added stress I have handled in the past few months as good signs of
progress, although like I said, it takes lots of hormone support to do this.
 But I have been able to be very passionate about things lately, which I can say
in the past, I think mercury has robbed from me.  So I have great hope that if I
can get back to chelation, I will continue to improve, as I  would sure like to
get my old self back!!!  She's in there somewhere!
>
> ===>Hey Jackie... I've been seeing some glimmers of the old self too....
>
> Linda  ;0)

------Hey Linda....That's great to hear!  Although I have to say that the recent
emotional stress has taken its toll, I do feel rather wiped out and emotionally
spent right now.  So my adrenals have taken a hit, but it is not an adrenal
crash by any means.  They're just telling me to take it easy for awhile and give
them a break.  I did some stress dosing yesterday, and that seemed to help.  But
again, the fact that I was willing to get so passionately involved in things
lately, I think is a sign of improvement in a big way.  So what have your
"glimmers" been?------Jackie



>
>
>   And I do get to see glimmers of her now and then, so she's there, I know it.
 She's just waiting to be released from the grips of heavy metals.  So just keep
chelating everyone.  Each round is one step closer to recovery.  And I'll repeat
what Andy has said many times before, chelate, chelate, chelate, and then
chelate some more.-------Jackie
> > >
> > > * Ive read to chelate for at least 6 months post cessation of symptoms.
> >
> > ------Yes, that is what Andy says.  He says your hair test will normalize,
and you'll feel fine/good long before you're done, so to keep going for awhile. 
And he also says that after you quit, if symptoms start returning then you are
not done.  Or take a 6 month break, and then try a few rounds of chelation
again, and see if you get any symptoms from a round.  The more metals you
remove, the better.------Jackie
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alexis
> > >
> >
>

I like the enamel coated Le Creuset items. They have enamel coated cast iron. 
Other competitors are doing the same thing and there are several lines at Bed
Bath and beyond.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Scarano" <chris@...>
wrote:
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> I've been thinking of ditching my stainless pans too for fear of their side
effects and buying the ceramic ones that Dr. Mecola sells.  Does anyone have any
opinion on these before I blow the money for them:
http://cookware.mercola.com/Cookware.aspx
>
>
>

Hi Alexis:
 
I have been chelating for about two years now usually four days on and three
days off.  I also have tried to give my body a rest but the insomnia starts, my
gut gets sore and I am depressed.  Actually feel the metals building up all
over my body.  Have red spots on my temporal lobes, chest and arms.
 
I hope the blood you're testing is not whole blood, but RBC (red blood cell
count) and I've found that I have had enormous mercury dumps via the stool.  So
you might want to do a stool analysis.
 
I feel much better on chelation and if you do (that is you're not feeling any
adrenal pain in your back or kidney pain then I say go for it.  It's working
for me.
 
Regards,
 
Regina

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Alexis Miller <alexis.atrekkie22@...> wrote:



Hello

2009/11/10 Lake Baldwin <lakebaldwin@ yahoo.com>:
> In several Places In Cutler's AI and in places in the history of the various
message boards the importance of taking breaks in Chelation is emphasized. The
advice seems generally to be that you should take breaks at least as long as the
chelation period, or up to several times as long.

* ive heard it can be done at weekends 3 days on 4 days off and this
works for many members here.
>
> I am having problems going off the chelation agents. My symptoms, Peripheral
nerve pain and muscle weakness are seriously aggrevated to a point much worse
than before I started the chelation.

* What dosage are you on? What supplements are you taking? How long
since you began chelation? You could be in the stall period where your
symptoms get worse for a few months then level off. It is due to the
mercury pooling in your system and happens approximately 8-10 months
post 1st cycle.

Try as I might, after 48 - 60 hours of not taking the chelation
agents, ( i have moved from ALA alone to DMSA + ALA to DMSA alone to
DMPS alone, at steadily decreasing dosages to try to find a result I
can tolerate ) each time I go off the agent, my symptoms get so much
worse that I have to restart before the recommended pause. I feel like
I have fallen into a loop from which I cannot exit, despite my blood
(25 mcg/l to not detected) and urine levels (14mcg/day to 6) having
fallen a lot over the three month's I have been at this.

* ive read about some parents of autistics doing a several days long
round to get the lead out with DMSA. I dont think its part of the AC
protocol though?
>
> What are the downsides to short pauses? Are there implications for Kidney
issues? Andy I think refers to needing to give the body a break, and pausing
because, it's been done that way and worked, and not to conduct a human drug
trial without evidence that it's likely to work, but is there any documented
concern here? Does anyone have experience with chelating with only short pauses?

--
Alexis

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, 777 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> My brother has the same issues where he couldn't drive but that went away
> after we removed the amalgams. Did you chelate with DMSA and ALA?

===yes.  both and am still chelating.  12.5 mg of both.  3 hours for 4 days then
10 days off.  I am going slowly since I have young children and have to function
as a mom.

Do you
> take B12 vitamins?==no just a b complex===


Colette
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, colette <cann7899@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The perception issues took about a year to go and pop up every once in a
> > while. The feeling of motion still is with me about a couple times a month -
> > this is an improvement from daily.
> >
> > I also feel like I am still moving when I stop at stop signs while driving
> > - I don't drive anymore and haven't for three years. That is mostly gone
> > away too. Couple of times a month.
> >
> > I have chelated about 55 rounds in a two year period and seen vast
> > improvements in all my symptoms. The racing thoughts was one of the first
> > ones to go.
> >
> > The swaying and aggitation has also dimished from a daily hell to every
> > once in a while - this symptom is a result of eating foods with salicylates.
> >
> >
> > It does take time and general feelings of well being can be helped with
> > supplements and perhaps adrenal support and maybe something to help with
> > depression - I take 5HTP.
> >
> > Hope this helps. Colette======
> >
> >
> >
>