Many things can be out of whack when you are poisoned.  I would suggest reading
some of David Sherratt Johnson's posts, I think some are saved in the links
section, under member posts, and consider other things, like doing food allergy
testing, etc.  Other thoughts are how is your blood sugar control, and what are
your ferritin levels?  Many of us are anemic/have low ferritin, *because* we are
toxic.  If you have HTI, read about iron in there, as Andy explains this very
well.  So you may actually need alot more antioxidants, especially Vit C, to
help correct this, plus chelation.  Another thought, have you tested your
testosterone levels?

How long have you been on adrenal and thyroid support?  I recall Linda and
Stephanie both saying they slept *alot* when they first got on adrenal support,
kinda like their bodies needed it, and could finally do it.  So this may pass in
time too, if that is the case.

So there are probably still lots of possibilities, and you'll have to keep
trying things, to see if something helps.  Did your hair test show
malabsorption, and are you taking any digestive aids?------Jackie



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "corvulusthemighty"
<corvulusthemighty@...> wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
>
> amalgam victim here.  Even with thyroid and adrenal support, I'm horribly
tired.
>
> Could this be due to malabsorption?
>
> Steven
>

------I'm snipping out some more.-----Jackie


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Alexis Miller
<alexis.atrekkie22@...> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> 2009/11/7 jackietutts <jtrunt@>:
> (snip) ----------------------------
> >>
> >> * im pleased to hear the adrenal support is going well for you. Im trying
to find psychological ways to deal with stress by
> >> working though my anxiety and depression. i also take gaba 3 times a day
and taurine 1g at night.
> >
> > -------I believe hormone imbalances can play a big role in how you feel,
including anxiety and depression, so if you haven't already, a saliva hormone
panel would be a good thing to do, including sex hormones, besides cortisol.
 Through saliva testing, I found out that I was extremely deficient in
progesterone, which is known as the "feel good" hormone.  And low thyroid can
cause depression too.-----Jackie

-------I should qualify this, as it makes it sound like hormones are the only
things that affect this, but other imbalances affect how you feel too, and are
certainly worth trying.  I think some of the different amino acids are worth
trying, and other supps that Andy recommends in AI or in his post on depression,
which also covers anxiety, etc.  Andy mentions lots of supps for different
conditions, knowing that different things might work for different people.  So
he doesn't intend that everyone needs to take all of those supps, but gives you
a number of options to try, to hopefully find something that works for you. 
Some of it is just trial and error, and some may not really improve until you
chelate enough.-------Jackie


>
> * Im on the contraceptive injection so im on a high dose of
> progesterone using that. Its the only way to keep my PMT at bay since
> the emotional rollercoaster of the issue is too much for me to bear.
> If you can recommend a UK site that does those tests then i will be
> able to use it. Im on long term welfare and jobs are scarce in my area
> of the UK.

--------I recall a couple people from the UK getting testing done thru Dr.
Peatfield.  Otherwise, I believe you can still order the test yourself from the
US thru the Canary Club or directly from ZRT labs.  Info should be in the links
section, under Adrenals and Thyroid.------Jackie



>
> i thought thyroid problems included sudden weight gain? i dont think i
> have that and my skin and hair are fine (hair a bit greasy skin ok).

-------I'm not saying you have a thyroid problem for sure, just mentioning that
it can be a cause of depression.  And I think with a mixture of adrenal and
thyroid problems, which many of us have, you can get a variety of symptoms. 
Also, have you done a hair test?  If so, was your lithium levels low?  That can
also affect your mood.----Jackie


>
> > <snip> >
> >> > Good health and happy chelating to all!
> >>
> >> Thanks for the update Jackie.
> >
> > ------You're welcome.  I feel rather wiped out today, as I have had a very
emotional/stressful week, so we'll see how I do in upcoming days.  But I am
hopeful by the amount of things I've been able to do and the added stress I have
handled in the past few months as good signs of progress, although like I said,
it takes lots of hormone support to do this.  But I have been able to be very
passionate about things lately, which I can say in the past, I think mercury has
robbed from me.  So I have great hope that if I can get back to chelation, I
will continue to improve, as I  would sure like to get my old self back!!!
 She's in there somewhere!  And I do get to see glimmers of her now and then, so
she's there, I know it.  She's just waiting to be released from the grips of
heavy metals.  So just keep chelating everyone.  Each round is one step closer
to recovery.  And I'll repeat what Andy has said many times before, chelate,
chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more.-------Jackie
>
> * Ive read to chelate for at least 6 months post cessation of symptoms.

------Yes, that is what Andy says.  He says your hair test will normalize, and
you'll feel fine/good long before you're done, so to keep going for awhile.  And
he also says that after you quit, if symptoms start returning then you are not
done.  Or take a 6 month break, and then try a few rounds of chelation again,
and see if you get any symptoms from a round.  The more metals you remove, the
better.------Jackie


>
> --
> Alexis
>

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...>
wrote:
>
> >>>Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.
>
> Yeah. But it is just a small amount ;) (80ml)


Some people need to eat lots of sulfur foods to increase their level of thiols.
Some people need to avoid them because their thiol level is too high. Others
need a moderate amount of sulfur foods to stay in a good range of thiols.

A dairy-based acidophilus might be okay for the people who need lots of thiols.
Others would be better off with a non-dairy acidophilus.



> I believe Andy said that Acidophilus is a high sulfur food, that's why i
wondered if probiotic drinks could be harmful to hg toxic people.


Can you link a post where he said that?

My recollection is there are dairy and non-dairy versions of acidophilus. It has
to do with the culture base used to grow the probiotics.


--Stephanie

Hi Linda,

Yes, I have other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I currently waiting for some blood
test results from my doctor... But in the past, I've had TSH and free t4 tested,
and it looks like I have hypothyroidism. I'm not on treatment for it.

I'm aware that hypoT can cause hair loss. But if it's due to hypoT, why would
molybdenum trigger it? (Does molybdenum affect the thyroid somehow?) My hair
loss is definitely due to, or triggered by, the molybdenum.

Thanks.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@...>
wrote:
>
> do you have other symptoms of hypothyroidism?  Have you had tests for free T3
and free T4?
>
> Linda

Hi Mason,

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mmullennax" <mmullennax@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Alright, I am desperate for help on this and I will try and make this
> brief.
>
> I have been ill for over 3 years with my biggest complaint being
> crippling fatigue


Fatigue often indicates adrenal insufficiency.


> and symptoms of hypothyroidism.


The adrenal insufficiency (when severe enough) must be treated before the
hypothyroidism.



> Tested high for mercury and removed almost all of the body burden and
> then went about removing it from within cells and brain with ALA. I had
> all of the typical symptoms that come along with removing mercury from
> the brain, and subsequently I improved a bit. Since, I have been tested
> and blood levels of mercury are almost non-existent,


Testing blood levels isn't an accurate method of estimating body burden.



> but I am still
> struggling with fatigue and hypothyroid symptoms. After having numerous
> thyroid tests, everything came back normal,


When the hypothyroidism is secondary (ie originates from improper signaling from
the brain rather than from the thyroid), TSH is an useless test.  Free T3 and
free T4 are helpful, but they need to be in the top 1/4 or 1/3 of the normal
range in order to be optimal.  Doctors will say that these tests are fine
because they are in the normal range, but the person still has hypothyroid
symptoms because they are not optimal.  Other tests to consider are anti thyroid
antibodies.



> I tried natural T4/T3
> combinations, Synthroid, and Cytomel or synthetic T3 only. They seem to
> make no difference, I have the symptoms of T3 resistance syndrome, but
> while on thyroid medication, it seems to worsen the symptoms,


Worsening of symptoms is typical if the person has adrenal insufficiency and the
thyroid is treated before the adrenals are treated adequately.



> including
> an odd sense of anxiety, different from normal anxiety.



The anxiety is one symptom that is consistent with adrenal insufficiency
(believe me, I have both adrenal insufficiency and hypothyroidism)



> I NEED HELP!! I
> was poisoned because of my amalgams, which I had removed over a year
> ago, also in college I used to eat "chunk white tuna fish" every single
> day and was also taking a multi-vitamin which contained 75mg of ALA at
> the same time, which I assume might have made it worse. So if
> theoretically the mercury from the amalgam's and the methylmercury from
> the fish had ready access to my brain via the ALA in my multi. Here is
> the problem, I have had the amalgams removed, uses Dr. Cutler's protocol
> with DMSA and ALA to remove mercury, but I still have alot of problems.
> I can take a ton of DMSA or ALA and get no removal symptoms. What do I
> do now?


Adequate levels of cortisol are needed for healing.  It is possible that your
levels are not adequate and your body is having trouble healing from the removal
of metals.

If you can, get a 4x per day saliva cortisol test, with DHEA.  Be sure to take
the saliva on a day when you are having symptoms, ie on a day when fatigued
(usually after a couple of busy days).  Consider testing and optimizing other
hormones, like testosterone, as well.

After the test, see if you can find a doctor who would give you a therapeutic
trial of physiological doses of cortisol.  You might be able to find a doctor
through the few we have listed in the files section, or through the search
engine at www.endfatigue.com

The books "From Fatigued to Fantastic" by Teitelbaum and "Safe Uses of Cortisol"
by Jefferies and Andy's "Amalgam Illness" all describe how to treat both the
adrenals and the thyroid.

If you can't get prescription cortisol, consider using HC cream, available over
the counter, rotating the sites of application.  See a post from Andy in the
links section about dosing it.

Also consider DHEA and pregnenolone, dosed as suggested in "Amalgam Illness".




> I know that methylmercury gets converted to inorganic mercury
> and then is allowed to be removed via ALA, does this conversion still
> happen while it is located in the brain?


The organic form gets into the brain easily, where it is converted to the
inorganic form, which doesn't leave the brain much without chelation.




> The only thing that I seem to
> notice is I have supplemented NAC all throughout my chelation process
> and if I take it now, it still has an effect and can make me feel better
> initially, then worse, then a little better again.


Try restricting sulfur foods for a week or so, then challenging with lots of
sulfur foods and see your reaction.  If not clear, try again.  If you are sulfur
food intolerant, don't supplement NAC.  You can still supplement glycine and
glutamine.




> Its odd, and I can't
> figure out if there is methylmercury stuck in my brain


The methyl mercury will change to the inorganic form.




> that the ALA
> can't remove and that the NAC concerted to glutathione is partially
> removing making the change for what.


Glutathione doesn't chelate metals out of the body.  it only has one thiol
group, so acts like a sulfur food.  Glutathione does have many roles in the
body.  One way to boost levels is to supplement more antioxidants.



>  I can furnish much more
> information, but this is long enough. I have followed everything, no
> doctors are worth anything in regards to help, but I am desperate. I
> haven't worked in over a year and a half, and I don't know what to do.
> Any help would be great. ANY HELP AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
>


Seeing as you have only been sick for 3 years, and you are able to chelate at
decent doses, I really think that you have a good chance of getting better soon.

There may be other factors besides adrenal insufficiency.  "From Fatigued to
Fantastic" is a good resource.  If you don't think adrenal insufficiency fits,
ask Andy, the ultimate resource.

Linda




> Sincerely,
> Mason
>

do you have other symptoms of hypothyroidism?  Have you had tests for free T3
and free T4?

Linda

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "leahbeth85" <leelah_beth@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I started taking molybdenum, 1000 mcg/day, a couple weeks ago. A couple days
after I started it, I began losing hair. Everytime I run my hands through my
hair, a couple strands of hair come out.
>
> I have had very mild hair loss in the past -- mostly at my temples -- no doubt
caused by high androgen levels (I have other symptoms of hyperandrogenism). But
the molybdenum-induced hair loss is at the back of my head.
>
> It's unfortunate because molybdenum has helped me significantly. I used to
have chronic allergy symptoms -- mainly hives and sneezing. These have
disappeared on molybdenum. I have reason to believe these symptoms were due to
Candida overgrowth/Candida allergy... and molybdenum apparently detoxifies the
toxic stuff that Candida produces.
>
> If I reduce the dosage to 500 mcg/day, my hives and sneezing return.
>
> I know that molybdenum reduces copper absorption, and I have read that a
copper deficiency can cause hair loss. But I am hesitant to take copper since
Andy recommends against it, and I know that I used to have copper toxicity. I
had one symptom: low bile flow/gallbladder pain and constipation after eating
fat. This resolved very quickly after increasing my zinc from 15 mg to 50 mg. I
no longer have this problem at all, even if I skip taking zinc.
>
> My diet is actually quite low in copper (I happen to be allergic to most
high-copper foods). I think I get maybe 1 mg/day at the most (RDI is 2 mg). I
wonder if taking 1000 mcg of molybdenum, and 50 mg of zinc, along with a
low-copper diet, has pushed my copper too low? Should I try taking a low dose
(maybe 1 mg/day or every other day) and see if it helps the hair loss?
>
> I can't find any other reason that molybdenum would cause hair loss. I haven't
heard of it interfering with absorption of any other minerals. Does anyone else
have any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Leah.
>

Hi all,

I started taking molybdenum, 1000 mcg/day, a couple weeks ago. A couple days
after I started it, I began losing hair. Everytime I run my hands through my
hair, a couple strands of hair come out.

I have had very mild hair loss in the past -- mostly at my temples -- no doubt
caused by high androgen levels (I have other symptoms of hyperandrogenism). But
the molybdenum-induced hair loss is at the back of my head.

It's unfortunate because molybdenum has helped me significantly. I used to have
chronic allergy symptoms -- mainly hives and sneezing. These have disappeared on
molybdenum. I have reason to believe these symptoms were due to Candida
overgrowth/Candida allergy... and molybdenum apparently detoxifies the toxic
stuff that Candida produces.

If I reduce the dosage to 500 mcg/day, my hives and sneezing return.

I know that molybdenum reduces copper absorption, and I have read that a copper
deficiency can cause hair loss. But I am hesitant to take copper since Andy
recommends against it, and I know that I used to have copper toxicity. I had one
symptom: low bile flow/gallbladder pain and constipation after eating fat. This
resolved very quickly after increasing my zinc from 15 mg to 50 mg. I no longer
have this problem at all, even if I skip taking zinc.

My diet is actually quite low in copper (I happen to be allergic to most
high-copper foods). I think I get maybe 1 mg/day at the most (RDI is 2 mg). I
wonder if taking 1000 mcg of molybdenum, and 50 mg of zinc, along with a
low-copper diet, has pushed my copper too low? Should I try taking a low dose
(maybe 1 mg/day or every other day) and see if it helps the hair loss?

I can't find any other reason that molybdenum would cause hair loss. I haven't
heard of it interfering with absorption of any other minerals. Does anyone else
have any ideas?

Thanks.

Leah.

I have just completed my 3rd round of chelation with DMSA every 4 hours and
things are going really well. No negative effects. I have a quick question for
the group. I've been a regular blood donor for a couple of years and wondered if
I can still donate in between rounds?  I'm chelating every week, 3 days on, 4
off.

/ Jennifer

Hi Steven,
I just  started  taking  high  doses of  some of the  B vitamins.  I  went  from
being crushingly  fatigued and fearing  I would  pass out  to  doing  a  two
hour hike yesterday   within  a period of  only a week  of  being on them.!!!! 
WOW   how lucky.. and what  a  good poster person I  would be  for the vitamin
companies. If  you get the right  supplement  it  can  make all the difference
in the world.

   I was  undoubtedly  deficient  as my digestion  has  been  sooo  compromised 
from all of the  food  allergies, poor  organ  function  which I did not  notice
until  my 20s  . That crushing fatigue  did  hit me  all of  a sudden{ one 
minute  I felt  energy , then  next  I felt  like  a blob of  lead]  when I had
my  health take a  nose dive in 1975. So it  does not take alot  at times  to 
change the balance needed  in our bodies  for proper  energy supply..

Everyone is  different  , unfortunately.  so  you have  to experiment  with the 
different supplements and diets.  Other things  that I found helpful for my 
energy is  more salt,  coq10 and  carnitine  for my heart health.  .

nanci



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "corvulusthemighty"
<corvulusthemighty@...> wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
>
> amalgam victim here.  Even with thyroid and adrenal support, I'm horribly
tired.
>
> Could this be due to malabsorption?
>
> Steven
>

--- leahbeth85 wrote:
> Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

What about goat's milk?

Sally
Costa Rica

> Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still has 5
crowns and we do not know what's under them.

I replaced a gold crown that everyone was fairly certain had no amalgam under
it... Sure enough, it did, a nice big chunk. I would not chelate until I knew
for sure.

>>>Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

Yeah. But it is just a small amount ;) (80ml)

I believe Andy said that Acidophilus is a high sulfur food, that's why i
wondered if probiotic drinks could be harmful to hg toxic people.

What did you do to get rid of those hallucinations? My brother also
had similar events.
Thks



On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:50 AM, "jennifer" <freemangoldcoast@...>
wrote:

> I used to think that cars were 'cutting me off' all the time. It
> started all of a sudden, then I noticed this seeming to happen every
> time I drove. Then trees seemed to be coming off the side of the
> roads at me............ I stopped driving then as I was getting
> nervous.
>
> This experience even happened as a passenger and so I would wear
> sunglasses and keep my eyes shut all the way to the destination. No
> one noticed that I 'wasnt looking'.
>
> jenny
> >
> >
> > I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems
> with the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.
> Also walls would look wavy.
> >
> > I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
> >
> > Colette
> >

Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

If you react to sulfur foods, avoid it.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Do you know if the yakult probiotic drink is problematic because of sulfur
content?
>
> Do you think it is safe to supplement 1-2 80ml per day?
>
> http://www.yakultusa.com/Yakult/YakultNutrition.php
>

Here is the list in the file section from Andy on basics.  Everyone is different
and needs need to be be met individually.

Buffered vitamin C 1/2 to 2 grams 4 times a day

B complex equivalent to "b25" or "b50" 4 times a day

Zinc 50-100 mg

Magnesium 500-1000 mg in divided doses

Milk thistle extract 4 times a day preferably w/meals
(equivalent to 250-750 mg silymarin)

Vitamin E 1000-3000 IU daily

Mixed carotenes, lycopene, etc.

flax 1-2 2/3 tbsp = 15-50g

borage oil 1-4grams

Selenium 200 mcg as selenomethionine.

Chromium picolinate 200 mcg with every meal.

Molybdenum about 1000 mcg a day.

CoQ10 100-400mg

Hydergine 10-20mg/day


As for my amalgams I had mine all removed (12)and that process took a year.  I
had an all low mineral pattern.  I take the following:

acidophilus - had no good bacteria based on stool sample testing
5HTP
8000 mg Vit C -divided into 4
400 mg magnesium
700 mg of calcium
100 mg b complex
multi vitamin 4x a day
niacidamide 500 mg 4x a day(I have a fast phase one liver)
milk thistle 150 mg 3x a day
chromium 200 mg 3 x a day
zinc 25 mg 2x a day
Adrenal extract 165 mg tabs - 1 1/2 am, 2 tabs at lunch, 1/2 at night

That is it for me.  I have tried Molybdenum and couldn't not handle it.  I tried
EFA, can't do those either.  Can't handle vit E.

I have a salicylate sensitivity so I have to be careful what supplements I can
take.

Hope this is helpful.
Colette








--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> What vitamins do you take and what have you done with amalgams?
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:53 PM, "colette" <cann7899@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems with
> > the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other. Also
> > walls would look wavy.
> >
> > I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
> >
> > Colette
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997
> > <adz1997@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> > > doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there
> > though
> > > but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> > > last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> > > called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> > > that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind
> > and he
> > > can't stop it.
> > > Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> > > has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

I used to think that cars were 'cutting me off' all the time.  It started all of
a sudden, then I noticed this seeming to happen every time I drove.  Then trees
seemed to be coming off the side of the roads at me............ I stopped
driving then as I was getting nervous.

This experience even happened as a passenger and so I would wear sunglasses and
keep my eyes shut all the way to the destination. No one noticed that I 'wasnt
looking'.

jenny
>
>
> I haven't had hallucinations but  I did have perception problems with the
floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.  Also walls would look
wavy.
>
> I have had racing thoughts.  Like a flood openning up.
>
> Colette
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@> wrote:
> >
>

Hello

2009/11/9 Leslie <lsbraunstein@...>:
> Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before chelation?  It's so
expensive and will take awhile to do.

Yes you do or you could cause severe damage to yourself. i didnt
realise i had 1 filling in my mouth, chelated
then it went into my brain.
>
> What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period we don't take
the chelator?

i will leave the more experienced members to answer this question.
>
> Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?

The side effects are easier to cope with, ALA crosses the blood brain
barrier and so it's better to get the body burden of metal down 1st
before getting it out of the brain.


--
Alexis

2009/11/10 Chris Scarano <chris@...>:
> Yea! Perfect timing for me to start with a sale. I hope everyone finds this
helpful :)  Here's an e-mail I received from VRP:
>
> Thank you for your email. DMSA does not require a prescription. Vitamin
Research Products sells DMSA in a 100mg and a 25mg capsule. Both bottles of DMSA
are currently on sale during November for 30% off. We have provided two links
below which will bring you to each product's webpage.

* Im taking this brand of DMSA and it works well for me.
>
> DMSA 100mg:
> http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8111
>
> DMSA 25mg:
> http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112
>



--
Alexis

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <lsbraunstein@...>
wrote:
>
> Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before
> chelation?  It's so expensive and will take awhile to do.

Yes you have to, or else new mercury will keep entering your body while you try
to get rid of the old mercury.

>
> What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period
> we don't take the chelator?

The body slowly (as in years) gets rid of the mercury, and some of it basically
stays there (such as the brain mercury) for the rest of your life.  Chelation
can speed it up so it only takes a few years to get rid of the body mercury and
brain mercury.

>
> Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?
>

You want to start chelating your body first, before using ALA to chelate your
brain.  The reason is that when you take ALA, the mercury flows from high
concentration to low concentration... kind of like the wind flows from high
pressure to low pressure.  If you have a lot of mercury in your body but only a
little in your brain, the ALA can cause MORE mercury to enter the brain, which
makes you worse.  If you have more in your brain and less in your body, the ALA
will reduce the brain burden while the other stuff (DMSA/DMPS) is helping to
carry the mercury out of your body.

justin

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Baurebu" <baurebu@...> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to have a low temperature (avrg 97.2deg) with hyperthyroid
symptoms? My last test showed t3 and t4 in the middle of >the ref. range.


With those tests in mid range, you aren't hyperthyroid



> But my TSH was at the low end of the ref. range. (0.687)


TSH can be low when the hypothyroidism is secondary (problem in the messages
from the brain, not the thyroid)



> Of course the doc said everything was normal. I am experiencing a lot of hyper
symptoms. Palpitations, tachycardia, shortness of >breath, fatigue, night
sweats, trouble concentrating, irritability.


These can be symptoms of other things.

Do you have other adrenal insufficiency symptoms?  A 4x/day cortisol saliva test
might be helpful.  Have you been tested or have symptoms of hypoglycemia?



> Currently on my second round of dmsa only.
>
> Should this improve with chelation? Does dmsa pull mercury out of the thyroid
and pituitary gland,


No



> or do I need to wait till ala chelation?
>



Yes.

Linda



> Thanks,
> Mike
>

How old are you if ya don't mind me asking? I hadda cyst discovered on my right
kidney that's 13 mm a couple of weeks ago... I'll be 39 soon... Better go easy
on yourself...

I'm just wondering if anyone has used tryptophan as a supplement to help you
sleep. I've really gone through the list but I haven't tried tryptophan since I
eat plenty of turkey...but I was just reading that the protein would stop any
sleep effects from the tryptophan.
 
As usual, I'm desperate for sleep so it's truly one of the last I haven't tried.
 
So if anyone has experience with it, for us mercury toxic people in desperate
need for sleep, please tell me if you found it helpful or not. For myself, it's
the hardest symptom I deal with. I'm just so tired of being - tired.
 
Thanks everyone.
-Elizabeth.




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Thanks Jim!

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, IDC2000@... wrote:
>
> I bought Mercola's set, and it works okay.  Wished the set was bigger  with
> more variety of pieces, and a bit pricey.   Do need to be careful  on the
> glass top range though for scratching.
>
> But if you're used to stainless, this should work good for you.   I've had
> them about 6 months now, they've held up great.
>
> Jim
>

What vitamins do you take and what have you done with amalgams?



On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:53 PM, "colette" <cann7899@...> wrote:

>
> I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems with
> the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other. Also
> walls would look wavy.
>
> I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
>
> Colette
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997
> <adz1997@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> > doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there
> though
> > but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> > last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> > called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> > that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind
> and he
> > can't stop it.
> > Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> > has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >

I thought I posted the info about Vermox.  Maybe I forgot to send or maybe it is
lost in transit.

Vermox (mebendazole) is pretty darned safe.  I would use it over the hit/miss
tinctures out there like those advocated by Hulda Clark, but that is me.  The
number of symptoms linked to parasitic infestations are staggering.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR600879

You do not need to do any candida or colon cleanse before tackling parasites. 
Actually, ridding a body of parasites might help with candida.  Testing stools
for parasites tends to be unreliable.  What I found with my son is that his
eosinophils (bloodwork) were greatly elevated when he was infested.  Any chance
you have a recent blood panel?  Elevated eos can indicate parasites or allergy.

And, biggest thing of all, you might not get a great deal of relief/recovery
until you remove those amalgams and start chelating.  That I cannot predict or
guarantee, but mercury toxicity can really do a number on adrenals, digestion,
etc.

Good luck to you!

Pam



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> yes ive seen a chiropracter and he tok an x-ray of spinal chord and showed
that my neck was moving the other way and he and his staff gave me the whole
thing,oh we fix you up rite away and never agreed about the hormones thing he
says it all nerves from the spinal chord,so i dont know about them,its a lot of
money as well.
>
> well thats the thing,i dont get all panicky or have that anxiety feel,just
that stupid trembling and drunk or high feeling in the eyes is what is bugging
me the most and then the look of my eyes as well,dark,puffy...redicules.
>
> i am on testosterone now and my levels are back up on the higher range
level,but no changes.And have had the the thyroid checked out,tsh,t4,t3,free,t3
and 4  but not rt3,they dont do it in canada(rt3)also ferrin checked many times
over all this and they all seem to be in pretty good range but not perfect(by AC
STANDARDS)i do have a prescription here for natural thyroid but my endocine
docter says it wouldnt do anything for ya in my situation(strange)
>
> i used to train probably way to much ,yes for over 20 years and very heavy,and
well i train differently now,i used to be in the 280-290 range for years but now
im at 230 pounds but still have strength and size so nothing has really changed
in that area,and if it was ,it would because i choosed it to be,because i train
differently,i could easily go back to the way i was if i wanted  to but im more
about health and getting smaller and lean,lol..the only thing is that im not as
energized as much,more tired and i dont do cardio,do you think if i did more
cardio it would help me more or less?
>
> ok my diet in my opinion is very good,i eat mostly a lot of greens,(nothing
organic though)too much,hamburger,salmon,eggs,little bit of whole grain bread,i
just started back with the eggs.I stay away from soy and white sugar,i dont eat
fruit,maybe a avacado once a while,basically thats it,mostly greens and RAW,i
never eat veggies cooked.When i get that burping,its when my eyes are at its
worst and trembling and it doesnt seem to be after eating,ive bin trying to
watch for this.and yes had my eyes even checked out,everything ok..My diet for
years before all this 3 1/2 years ago was not as good,lot of simple carbs,white
pasta flour..errrgh..so im kinda strict with the blood sugar rise and
falls,maybe thats it to,lol,when i search and read about hypoglycemia,it sure
sounds like me,but once again,docs are saying no.
>
> yes have had my pitituary checked out as well,all good and chelation,no still
have amalgams in,6 left.
>
> i was reading about the parasite but again everything just seems the
same,,should you a parasite cleanse before a candida or a colon cleanse first
before any of those.What is VERMOX,i would like to know more about all this ,the
parasite cleaning,thanx a godzillion

Yea! Perfect timing for me to start with a sale. I hope everyone finds this
helpful :)  Here's an e-mail I received from VRP:

Thank you for your email. DMSA does not require a prescription. Vitamin Research
Products sells DMSA in a 100mg and a 25mg capsule. Both bottles of DMSA are
currently on sale during November for 30% off. We have provided two links below
which will bring you to each product's webpage.

DMSA 100mg:
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8111

DMSA 25mg:
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112

> hi everyone,
>
> amalgam victim here.  Even with thyroid and adrenal support, I'm horribly
tired.
>
> Could this be due to malabsorption?
-------------------------

   Absolutely -- you're not getting the nutrients your body needs when you're
suffering from malabsorbtion.  Lots of us here can't eat gluten - sugar isn't a
great idea either.  If you clean up your diet - no gluten,sugar and anything
else you may be allergic too (eggs?) - you will notice a marked improvement in
your health.  But it may take a couple of months so you've got be patient and
stick with the diet.

Val

You do not have to deal with yeast overgrowth before dealing with parasites or
vice versa.  Vermox is a prescription anti-parasitic here in the USA.  Drug name
is Mebendazole.  Very safe.  For that reason, I am not a fan of the hit-miss
tinctures like those marketed by Hulda Clark.

http://www.wormtreatment.com/product/5/Vermox_Tablets.html



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> yes ive seen a chiropracter and he tok an x-ray of spinal chord and showed
that my neck was moving the other way and he and his staff gave me the whole
thing,oh we fix you up rite away and never agreed about the hormones thing he
says it all nerves from the spinal chord,so i dont know about them,its a lot of
money as well.
>
> well thats the thing,i dont get all panicky or have that anxiety feel,just
that stupid trembling and drunk or high feeling in the eyes is what is bugging
me the most and then the look of my eyes as well,dark,puffy...redicules.
>
> i am on testosterone now and my levels are back up on the higher range
level,but no changes.And have had the the thyroid checked out,tsh,t4,t3,free,t3
and 4  but not rt3,they dont do it in canada(rt3)also ferrin checked many times
over all this and they all seem to be in pretty good range but not perfect(by AC
STANDARDS)i do have a prescription here for natural thyroid but my endocine
docter says it wouldnt do anything for ya in my situation(strange)
>
> i used to train probably way to much ,yes for over 20 years and very heavy,and
well i train differently now,i used to be in the 280-290 range for years but now
im at 230 pounds but still have strength and size so nothing has really changed
in that area,and if it was ,it would because i choosed it to be,because i train
differently,i could easily go back to the way i was if i wanted  to but im more
about health and getting smaller and lean,lol..the only thing is that im not as
energized as much,more tired and i dont do cardio,do you think if i did more
cardio it would help me more or less?
>
> ok my diet in my opinion is very good,i eat mostly a lot of greens,(nothing
organic though)too much,hamburger,salmon,eggs,little bit of whole grain bread,i
just started back with the eggs.I stay away from soy and white sugar,i dont eat
fruit,maybe a avacado once a while,basically thats it,mostly greens and RAW,i
never eat veggies cooked.When i get that burping,its when my eyes are at its
worst and trembling and it doesnt seem to be after eating,ive bin trying to
watch for this.and yes had my eyes even checked out,everything ok..My diet for
years before all this 3 1/2 years ago was not as good,lot of simple carbs,white
pasta flour..errrgh..so im kinda strict with the blood sugar rise and
falls,maybe thats it to,lol,when i search and read about hypoglycemia,it sure
sounds like me,but once again,docs are saying no.
>
> yes have had my pitituary checked out as well,all good and chelation,no still
have amalgams in,6 left.
>
> i was reading about the parasite but again everything just seems the
same,,should you a parasite cleanse before a candida or a colon cleanse first
before any of those.What is VERMOX,i would like to know more about all this ,the
parasite cleaning,thanx a godzillion
>
>
>

Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before
chelation?  It's so expensive and will take awhile to do.

What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period
we don't take the chelator?

Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?

I haven't had hallucinations but  I did have perception problems with the floor
and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.  Also walls would look wavy.

I have had racing thoughts.  Like a flood openning up.

Colette
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there though
> but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind and he
> can't stop it.
> Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...> wrote:
>
> > <<<> Did anyone ever expirience hallucinations? Can that be related
> > to adrenals being too low? My bro is expiriencing that right now and
> > he removed all his amalgams 3 months ago. <<<<
> >
> > What kind of hallucinations?
> >
> > Did he have them removed with all necessary safety precautions?
> >
> > Rubber Dam + indepedent nasal air source etc..
> >
> >
>
>
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>