--- leahbeth85 wrote:
> Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

What about goat's milk?

Sally
Costa Rica

> Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still has 5
crowns and we do not know what's under them.

I replaced a gold crown that everyone was fairly certain had no amalgam under
it... Sure enough, it did, a nice big chunk. I would not chelate until I knew
for sure.

>>>Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

Yeah. But it is just a small amount ;) (80ml)

I believe Andy said that Acidophilus is a high sulfur food, that's why i
wondered if probiotic drinks could be harmful to hg toxic people.

What did you do to get rid of those hallucinations? My brother also
had similar events.
Thks



On Nov 10, 2009, at 4:50 AM, "jennifer" <freemangoldcoast@...>
wrote:

> I used to think that cars were 'cutting me off' all the time. It
> started all of a sudden, then I noticed this seeming to happen every
> time I drove. Then trees seemed to be coming off the side of the
> roads at me............ I stopped driving then as I was getting
> nervous.
>
> This experience even happened as a passenger and so I would wear
> sunglasses and keep my eyes shut all the way to the destination. No
> one noticed that I 'wasnt looking'.
>
> jenny
> >
> >
> > I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems
> with the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.
> Also walls would look wavy.
> >
> > I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
> >
> > Colette
> >

Anything with milk or made from milk is high in sulfur.

If you react to sulfur foods, avoid it.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Do you know if the yakult probiotic drink is problematic because of sulfur
content?
>
> Do you think it is safe to supplement 1-2 80ml per day?
>
> http://www.yakultusa.com/Yakult/YakultNutrition.php
>

Here is the list in the file section from Andy on basics.  Everyone is different
and needs need to be be met individually.

Buffered vitamin C 1/2 to 2 grams 4 times a day

B complex equivalent to "b25" or "b50" 4 times a day

Zinc 50-100 mg

Magnesium 500-1000 mg in divided doses

Milk thistle extract 4 times a day preferably w/meals
(equivalent to 250-750 mg silymarin)

Vitamin E 1000-3000 IU daily

Mixed carotenes, lycopene, etc.

flax 1-2 2/3 tbsp = 15-50g

borage oil 1-4grams

Selenium 200 mcg as selenomethionine.

Chromium picolinate 200 mcg with every meal.

Molybdenum about 1000 mcg a day.

CoQ10 100-400mg

Hydergine 10-20mg/day


As for my amalgams I had mine all removed (12)and that process took a year.  I
had an all low mineral pattern.  I take the following:

acidophilus - had no good bacteria based on stool sample testing
5HTP
8000 mg Vit C -divided into 4
400 mg magnesium
700 mg of calcium
100 mg b complex
multi vitamin 4x a day
niacidamide 500 mg 4x a day(I have a fast phase one liver)
milk thistle 150 mg 3x a day
chromium 200 mg 3 x a day
zinc 25 mg 2x a day
Adrenal extract 165 mg tabs - 1 1/2 am, 2 tabs at lunch, 1/2 at night

That is it for me.  I have tried Molybdenum and couldn't not handle it.  I tried
EFA, can't do those either.  Can't handle vit E.

I have a salicylate sensitivity so I have to be careful what supplements I can
take.

Hope this is helpful.
Colette








--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> What vitamins do you take and what have you done with amalgams?
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:53 PM, "colette" <cann7899@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems with
> > the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other. Also
> > walls would look wavy.
> >
> > I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
> >
> > Colette
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997
> > <adz1997@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> > > doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there
> > though
> > > but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> > > last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> > > called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> > > that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind
> > and he
> > > can't stop it.
> > > Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> > > has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

I used to think that cars were 'cutting me off' all the time.  It started all of
a sudden, then I noticed this seeming to happen every time I drove.  Then trees
seemed to be coming off the side of the roads at me............ I stopped
driving then as I was getting nervous.

This experience even happened as a passenger and so I would wear sunglasses and
keep my eyes shut all the way to the destination. No one noticed that I 'wasnt
looking'.

jenny
>
>
> I haven't had hallucinations but  I did have perception problems with the
floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.  Also walls would look
wavy.
>
> I have had racing thoughts.  Like a flood openning up.
>
> Colette
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@> wrote:
> >
>

Hello

2009/11/9 Leslie <lsbraunstein@...>:
> Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before chelation?  It's so
expensive and will take awhile to do.

Yes you do or you could cause severe damage to yourself. i didnt
realise i had 1 filling in my mouth, chelated
then it went into my brain.
>
> What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period we don't take
the chelator?

i will leave the more experienced members to answer this question.
>
> Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?

The side effects are easier to cope with, ALA crosses the blood brain
barrier and so it's better to get the body burden of metal down 1st
before getting it out of the brain.


--
Alexis

2009/11/10 Chris Scarano <chris@...>:
> Yea! Perfect timing for me to start with a sale. I hope everyone finds this
helpful :)  Here's an e-mail I received from VRP:
>
> Thank you for your email. DMSA does not require a prescription. Vitamin
Research Products sells DMSA in a 100mg and a 25mg capsule. Both bottles of DMSA
are currently on sale during November for 30% off. We have provided two links
below which will bring you to each product's webpage.

* Im taking this brand of DMSA and it works well for me.
>
> DMSA 100mg:
> http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8111
>
> DMSA 25mg:
> http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112
>



--
Alexis

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Leslie" <lsbraunstein@...>
wrote:
>
> Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before
> chelation?  It's so expensive and will take awhile to do.

Yes you have to, or else new mercury will keep entering your body while you try
to get rid of the old mercury.

>
> What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period
> we don't take the chelator?

The body slowly (as in years) gets rid of the mercury, and some of it basically
stays there (such as the brain mercury) for the rest of your life.  Chelation
can speed it up so it only takes a few years to get rid of the body mercury and
brain mercury.

>
> Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?
>

You want to start chelating your body first, before using ALA to chelate your
brain.  The reason is that when you take ALA, the mercury flows from high
concentration to low concentration... kind of like the wind flows from high
pressure to low pressure.  If you have a lot of mercury in your body but only a
little in your brain, the ALA can cause MORE mercury to enter the brain, which
makes you worse.  If you have more in your brain and less in your body, the ALA
will reduce the brain burden while the other stuff (DMSA/DMPS) is helping to
carry the mercury out of your body.

justin

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Baurebu" <baurebu@...> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to have a low temperature (avrg 97.2deg) with hyperthyroid
symptoms? My last test showed t3 and t4 in the middle of >the ref. range.


With those tests in mid range, you aren't hyperthyroid



> But my TSH was at the low end of the ref. range. (0.687)


TSH can be low when the hypothyroidism is secondary (problem in the messages
from the brain, not the thyroid)



> Of course the doc said everything was normal. I am experiencing a lot of hyper
symptoms. Palpitations, tachycardia, shortness of >breath, fatigue, night
sweats, trouble concentrating, irritability.


These can be symptoms of other things.

Do you have other adrenal insufficiency symptoms?  A 4x/day cortisol saliva test
might be helpful.  Have you been tested or have symptoms of hypoglycemia?



> Currently on my second round of dmsa only.
>
> Should this improve with chelation? Does dmsa pull mercury out of the thyroid
and pituitary gland,


No



> or do I need to wait till ala chelation?
>



Yes.

Linda



> Thanks,
> Mike
>

How old are you if ya don't mind me asking? I hadda cyst discovered on my right
kidney that's 13 mm a couple of weeks ago... I'll be 39 soon... Better go easy
on yourself...

I'm just wondering if anyone has used tryptophan as a supplement to help you
sleep. I've really gone through the list but I haven't tried tryptophan since I
eat plenty of turkey...but I was just reading that the protein would stop any
sleep effects from the tryptophan.
 
As usual, I'm desperate for sleep so it's truly one of the last I haven't tried.
 
So if anyone has experience with it, for us mercury toxic people in desperate
need for sleep, please tell me if you found it helpful or not. For myself, it's
the hardest symptom I deal with. I'm just so tired of being - tired.
 
Thanks everyone.
-Elizabeth.




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Jim!

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, IDC2000@... wrote:
>
> I bought Mercola's set, and it works okay.  Wished the set was bigger  with
> more variety of pieces, and a bit pricey.   Do need to be careful  on the
> glass top range though for scratching.
>
> But if you're used to stainless, this should work good for you.   I've had
> them about 6 months now, they've held up great.
>
> Jim
>

What vitamins do you take and what have you done with amalgams?



On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:53 PM, "colette" <cann7899@...> wrote:

>
> I haven't had hallucinations but I did have perception problems with
> the floor and walls not looking perpendicular to each other. Also
> walls would look wavy.
>
> I have had racing thoughts. Like a flood openning up.
>
> Colette
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997
> <adz1997@...> wrote:
> >
> > Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> > doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there
> though
> > but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> > last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> > called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> > that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind
> and he
> > can't stop it.
> > Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> > has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >

I thought I posted the info about Vermox.  Maybe I forgot to send or maybe it is
lost in transit.

Vermox (mebendazole) is pretty darned safe.  I would use it over the hit/miss
tinctures out there like those advocated by Hulda Clark, but that is me.  The
number of symptoms linked to parasitic infestations are staggering.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR600879

You do not need to do any candida or colon cleanse before tackling parasites. 
Actually, ridding a body of parasites might help with candida.  Testing stools
for parasites tends to be unreliable.  What I found with my son is that his
eosinophils (bloodwork) were greatly elevated when he was infested.  Any chance
you have a recent blood panel?  Elevated eos can indicate parasites or allergy.

And, biggest thing of all, you might not get a great deal of relief/recovery
until you remove those amalgams and start chelating.  That I cannot predict or
guarantee, but mercury toxicity can really do a number on adrenals, digestion,
etc.

Good luck to you!

Pam



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> yes ive seen a chiropracter and he tok an x-ray of spinal chord and showed
that my neck was moving the other way and he and his staff gave me the whole
thing,oh we fix you up rite away and never agreed about the hormones thing he
says it all nerves from the spinal chord,so i dont know about them,its a lot of
money as well.
>
> well thats the thing,i dont get all panicky or have that anxiety feel,just
that stupid trembling and drunk or high feeling in the eyes is what is bugging
me the most and then the look of my eyes as well,dark,puffy...redicules.
>
> i am on testosterone now and my levels are back up on the higher range
level,but no changes.And have had the the thyroid checked out,tsh,t4,t3,free,t3
and 4  but not rt3,they dont do it in canada(rt3)also ferrin checked many times
over all this and they all seem to be in pretty good range but not perfect(by AC
STANDARDS)i do have a prescription here for natural thyroid but my endocine
docter says it wouldnt do anything for ya in my situation(strange)
>
> i used to train probably way to much ,yes for over 20 years and very heavy,and
well i train differently now,i used to be in the 280-290 range for years but now
im at 230 pounds but still have strength and size so nothing has really changed
in that area,and if it was ,it would because i choosed it to be,because i train
differently,i could easily go back to the way i was if i wanted  to but im more
about health and getting smaller and lean,lol..the only thing is that im not as
energized as much,more tired and i dont do cardio,do you think if i did more
cardio it would help me more or less?
>
> ok my diet in my opinion is very good,i eat mostly a lot of greens,(nothing
organic though)too much,hamburger,salmon,eggs,little bit of whole grain bread,i
just started back with the eggs.I stay away from soy and white sugar,i dont eat
fruit,maybe a avacado once a while,basically thats it,mostly greens and RAW,i
never eat veggies cooked.When i get that burping,its when my eyes are at its
worst and trembling and it doesnt seem to be after eating,ive bin trying to
watch for this.and yes had my eyes even checked out,everything ok..My diet for
years before all this 3 1/2 years ago was not as good,lot of simple carbs,white
pasta flour..errrgh..so im kinda strict with the blood sugar rise and
falls,maybe thats it to,lol,when i search and read about hypoglycemia,it sure
sounds like me,but once again,docs are saying no.
>
> yes have had my pitituary checked out as well,all good and chelation,no still
have amalgams in,6 left.
>
> i was reading about the parasite but again everything just seems the
same,,should you a parasite cleanse before a candida or a colon cleanse first
before any of those.What is VERMOX,i would like to know more about all this ,the
parasite cleaning,thanx a godzillion

Yea! Perfect timing for me to start with a sale. I hope everyone finds this
helpful :)  Here's an e-mail I received from VRP:

Thank you for your email. DMSA does not require a prescription. Vitamin Research
Products sells DMSA in a 100mg and a 25mg capsule. Both bottles of DMSA are
currently on sale during November for 30% off. We have provided two links below
which will bring you to each product's webpage.

DMSA 100mg:
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8111

DMSA 25mg:
http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112

> hi everyone,
>
> amalgam victim here.  Even with thyroid and adrenal support, I'm horribly
tired.
>
> Could this be due to malabsorption?
-------------------------

   Absolutely -- you're not getting the nutrients your body needs when you're
suffering from malabsorbtion.  Lots of us here can't eat gluten - sugar isn't a
great idea either.  If you clean up your diet - no gluten,sugar and anything
else you may be allergic too (eggs?) - you will notice a marked improvement in
your health.  But it may take a couple of months so you've got be patient and
stick with the diet.

Val

You do not have to deal with yeast overgrowth before dealing with parasites or
vice versa.  Vermox is a prescription anti-parasitic here in the USA.  Drug name
is Mebendazole.  Very safe.  For that reason, I am not a fan of the hit-miss
tinctures like those marketed by Hulda Clark.

http://www.wormtreatment.com/product/5/Vermox_Tablets.html



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> yes ive seen a chiropracter and he tok an x-ray of spinal chord and showed
that my neck was moving the other way and he and his staff gave me the whole
thing,oh we fix you up rite away and never agreed about the hormones thing he
says it all nerves from the spinal chord,so i dont know about them,its a lot of
money as well.
>
> well thats the thing,i dont get all panicky or have that anxiety feel,just
that stupid trembling and drunk or high feeling in the eyes is what is bugging
me the most and then the look of my eyes as well,dark,puffy...redicules.
>
> i am on testosterone now and my levels are back up on the higher range
level,but no changes.And have had the the thyroid checked out,tsh,t4,t3,free,t3
and 4  but not rt3,they dont do it in canada(rt3)also ferrin checked many times
over all this and they all seem to be in pretty good range but not perfect(by AC
STANDARDS)i do have a prescription here for natural thyroid but my endocine
docter says it wouldnt do anything for ya in my situation(strange)
>
> i used to train probably way to much ,yes for over 20 years and very heavy,and
well i train differently now,i used to be in the 280-290 range for years but now
im at 230 pounds but still have strength and size so nothing has really changed
in that area,and if it was ,it would because i choosed it to be,because i train
differently,i could easily go back to the way i was if i wanted  to but im more
about health and getting smaller and lean,lol..the only thing is that im not as
energized as much,more tired and i dont do cardio,do you think if i did more
cardio it would help me more or less?
>
> ok my diet in my opinion is very good,i eat mostly a lot of greens,(nothing
organic though)too much,hamburger,salmon,eggs,little bit of whole grain bread,i
just started back with the eggs.I stay away from soy and white sugar,i dont eat
fruit,maybe a avacado once a while,basically thats it,mostly greens and RAW,i
never eat veggies cooked.When i get that burping,its when my eyes are at its
worst and trembling and it doesnt seem to be after eating,ive bin trying to
watch for this.and yes had my eyes even checked out,everything ok..My diet for
years before all this 3 1/2 years ago was not as good,lot of simple carbs,white
pasta flour..errrgh..so im kinda strict with the blood sugar rise and
falls,maybe thats it to,lol,when i search and read about hypoglycemia,it sure
sounds like me,but once again,docs are saying no.
>
> yes have had my pitituary checked out as well,all good and chelation,no still
have amalgams in,6 left.
>
> i was reading about the parasite but again everything just seems the
same,,should you a parasite cleanse before a candida or a colon cleanse first
before any of those.What is VERMOX,i would like to know more about all this ,the
parasite cleaning,thanx a godzillion
>
>
>

Do you have to remove all amalgam fillings before
chelation?  It's so expensive and will take awhile to do.

What happens as far as mercury redistribution during the period
we don't take the chelator?

Why do we have to wait to take the alph lipoic acid?

I haven't had hallucinations but  I did have perception problems with the floor
and walls not looking perpendicular to each other.  Also walls would look wavy.

I have had racing thoughts.  Like a flood openning up.

Colette
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Adz1997 <adz1997@...> wrote:
>
> Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
> doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there though
> but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
> last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
> called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
> that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind and he
> can't stop it.
> Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
> has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...> wrote:
>
> > <<<> Did anyone ever expirience hallucinations? Can that be related
> > to adrenals being too low? My bro is expiriencing that right now and
> > he removed all his amalgams 3 months ago. <<<<
> >
> > What kind of hallucinations?
> >
> > Did he have them removed with all necessary safety precautions?
> >
> > Rubber Dam + indepedent nasal air source etc..
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

yes ive seen a chiropracter and he tok an x-ray of spinal chord and showed that
my neck was moving the other way and he and his staff gave me the whole thing,oh
we fix you up rite away and never agreed about the hormones thing he says it all
nerves from the spinal chord,so i dont know about them,its a lot of money as
well.

well thats the thing,i dont get all panicky or have that anxiety feel,just that
stupid trembling and drunk or high feeling in the eyes is what is bugging me the
most and then the look of my eyes as well,dark,puffy...redicules.

i am on testosterone now and my levels are back up on the higher range level,but
no changes.And have had the the thyroid checked out,tsh,t4,t3,free,t3 and 4  but
not rt3,they dont do it in canada(rt3)also ferrin checked many times over all
this and they all seem to be in pretty good range but not perfect(by AC
STANDARDS)i do have a prescription here for natural thyroid but my endocine
docter says it wouldnt do anything for ya in my situation(strange)

i used to train probably way to much ,yes for over 20 years and very heavy,and
well i train differently now,i used to be in the 280-290 range for years but now
im at 230 pounds but still have strength and size so nothing has really changed
in that area,and if it was ,it would because i choosed it to be,because i train
differently,i could easily go back to the way i was if i wanted  to but im more
about health and getting smaller and lean,lol..the only thing is that im not as
energized as much,more tired and i dont do cardio,do you think if i did more
cardio it would help me more or less?

ok my diet in my opinion is very good,i eat mostly a lot of greens,(nothing
organic though)too much,hamburger,salmon,eggs,little bit of whole grain bread,i
just started back with the eggs.I stay away from soy and white sugar,i dont eat
fruit,maybe a avacado once a while,basically thats it,mostly greens and RAW,i
never eat veggies cooked.When i get that burping,its when my eyes are at its
worst and trembling and it doesnt seem to be after eating,ive bin trying to
watch for this.and yes had my eyes even checked out,everything ok..My diet for
years before all this 3 1/2 years ago was not as good,lot of simple carbs,white
pasta flour..errrgh..so im kinda strict with the blood sugar rise and
falls,maybe thats it to,lol,when i search and read about hypoglycemia,it sure
sounds like me,but once again,docs are saying no.

yes have had my pitituary checked out as well,all good and chelation,no still
have amalgams in,6 left.

i was reading about the parasite but again everything just seems the
same,,should you a parasite cleanse before a candida or a colon cleanse first
before any of those.What is VERMOX,i would like to know more about all this ,the
parasite cleaning,thanx a godzillion



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela H" <phaselow@...> wrote:
>
> Try that cervical pillow for your neck.
> I KNOW anxiety.  I had panic attacks in college.  What I experience now is not
anxiety in the mental health sense.   I do understand what you are saying.  But,
that still doesn't mean that the adrenal glands or hormones aren't behind this.
>
> Trembling can be due to low testosterone.  I guess since you are supplementing
that might not be the case.  Or maybe it is?  Thyroid?
>
> You are a bodybuilder.  Are you exercising too much?
>
> Bad burping.  Get that, too.  I am certain this is diet related for me. 
Sugars.  Are you a healthy eater?  I have some candida issues that rise/fall
with my diet changes.
>
> Some might roll their eyes, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to either
test yourself for parasites or do a trial run of a broad reaching
anti-parasitic.  I have used Vermox (mebendazole) with my son twice with
excellent results (he didn't tremble, but he did have these brief, rapid shaking
episodes).  Vermox would mean taking 1, 100 mg chewable twice a day for 3 days
and then repeat again in 3 weeks.   Generally very well tolerated.  I think you
can get it without prescription in some non-US countries.
>
> Ever had bloodwork to check pituitary function?
>
> So many possibilities, it stinks to have to weed through them.
>
> I'm sorry if you have said this before, but where do you stand with chelation?
>
> Pam
>
>

9 in total removed. Been in his mouth for over 10 yrs.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, IDC2000@... wrote:
>
> Would also be curious as to how many, and how old his amalgams were?
>
> Jim
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> __________
>
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2009 12:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mkarty2007@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> <<<> Did anyone ever expirience hallucinations? Can that be  related to
> adrenals being too low? My bro is expiriencing that right now and  he removed
> all his amalgams 3 months ago. <<<<
>
> What kind of  hallucinations?
>
> Did he have them removed with all necessary safety  precautions?
>
> Rubber Dam + indepedent nasal air source  etc..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

He;;p

2009/11/8 jackietutts <jtrunt@...>:
> This is getting long, so I'm going to delete most of it, and only leave the
parts I'm responding to.------Jackie

Thanks and sorry i didnt clip some of it earlier, had a bad round (ie
couldnt start it properly) and im going dizzy.

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Alexis Miller
<alexis.atrekkie22@...> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/11/7 jackietutts <jtrunt@...>:
(snip) ----------------------------
>> > Hi Val,
> <snip>
>> > I've been working on/treating my adrenals for 2-1/2 years now, working with
Julie Anderson.  I have sea salt in water every morning, I take lots of Vit C
and B vitamins, separate B5, lots of magnesium, and of course have done lots of
others supps, but those are more specific to adrenals.
>>
>> * im taking licorice root extract 1 week a month for mine. i will increase my
Vit C dosage since my constipation is bothering me >> again (IBS-C) and possibly
my magnesium since that's now taken separately to the others. Im on 433mg x 2
mag and 2.5g of >> malic acid per day. i hope that isnt too high a dose?
>
> -----Not sure about the malic acid, but the mag sounds fine.  In AI Andy
recommends 750mg of magnesium in his general recommendations, and we always need
to adjust things to personal needs.  I know I and others have taken more at
times.  If it's not giving you loose bowels, then I think your dose is fine or
could be increased.----Jackie

* Im autistic as well so what i normally do is look at both the AI and
the "children with starving brains" books and then take the higher of
the 2 doses.
>
>
>>
>> Besides those, I also take alot of hormones.  I have been on HC, adrenal
cortex, DHEA, pregnenolone, and progesterone
>> cream that whole time, and have added in Cytomel (T3 only thyroid hormone)
just this year.  I baby-ed my adrenals for a long >> time, and really tried to
avoid stress at all cost for a long time, so I feel I did alot to help
strengthen them, although I still need >> to take the hormones.  I do need to
retest to see where my levels are.  So, I do alot to support them, but it does
seem to be
>> working.  Like I said, I have had some mini crashes lately, but I recover
much quicker than I would have in the past without all of >> this support.
>>
>> * im pleased to hear the adrenal support is going well for you. Im trying to
find psychological ways to deal with stress by
>> working though my anxiety and depression. i also take gaba 3 times a day and
taurine 1g at night.
>
> -------I believe hormone imbalances can play a big role in how you feel,
including anxiety and depression, so if you haven't already, a saliva hormone
panel would be a good thing to do, including sex hormones, besides cortisol.
 Through saliva testing, I found out that I was extremely deficient in
progesterone, which is known as the "feel good" hormone.  And low thyroid can
cause depression too.-----Jackie

* Im on the contraceptive injection so im on a high dose of
progesterone using that. Its the only way to keep my PMT at bay since
the emotional rollercoaster of the issue is too much for me to bear.
If you can recommend a UK site that does those tests then i will be
able to use it. Im on long term welfare and jobs are scarce in my area
of the UK.

i thought thyroid problems included sudden weight gain? i dont think i
have that and my skin and hair are fine (hair a bit greasy skin ok).

>> > The addition of the Cytomel this year has certainly seemed to have helped
too, so treating both adrenals and thyroid as needed is very important.  I have
done very little ALA chelation so far, so I assume I'll need the hormones for a
long time yet, as I'm sure my pituitary and hypothalamus are still quite
poisoned, and at the root of my endocrine problems.  So I do need to get back to
chelation.
>>
>> * i couldnt say about how ALA affects hormones and adrenals but then again my
dyslexia is really bad at the moment with
>> word comprehension.
>
> --------Do some reading in Andy's books or search posts, but he talks about
mercury having a high affinity for the pituitary and hypothalamus, two glands
located in the brain that basically control most of our endocrine system,
sending messages to the other hormone producing glands in our body, like the
thyroid and adrenals.  So when the pit/hyp are poisoned, they don't work right,
sending garbled messages to your hormone producing glands, and everything can
get out of whack.  So the glands themselves can be poisoned, and/or they might
work ok, but get the wrong messages from the brain (pit/hyp).  So there can be
dysfunction at two different levels.  Anyway, since ALA is the only chelator to
cross the BBB and get metals out of the brain, it is the only one that can
possibly fix this hormone problem if it is based in the pituitary/hypothalamus.
 So, since I have done very little chelation with ALA yet and still need lots of
hormone support, I can deduce that my pit/hyp are still quite poisoned, and my
hormone problems will never get better until I chelate more.-----Jackie

* Makes total sense to me, thanks for the explanation.

> <snip> >
>> > Good health and happy chelating to all!
>>
>> Thanks for the update Jackie.
>
> ------You're welcome.  I feel rather wiped out today, as I have had a very
emotional/stressful week, so we'll see how I do in upcoming days.  But I am
hopeful by the amount of things I've been able to do and the added stress I have
handled in the past few months as good signs of progress, although like I said,
it takes lots of hormone support to do this.  But I have been able to be very
passionate about things lately, which I can say in the past, I think mercury has
robbed from me.  So I have great hope that if I can get back to chelation, I
will continue to improve, as I  would sure like to get my old self back!!!
 She's in there somewhere!  And I do get to see glimmers of her now and then, so
she's there, I know it.  She's just waiting to be released from the grips of
heavy metals.  So just keep chelating everyone.  Each round is one step closer
to recovery.  And I'll repeat what Andy has said many times before, chelate,
chelate, chelate, and then chelate some more.-------Jackie

* Ive read to chelate for at least 6 months post cessation of symptoms.

--
Alexis

Try that cervical pillow for your neck.  It took awhile to get used to but I
can't sleep well without it anymore.  A chiropractor should have some options;
that is where I bought mine.  The one I have has 1 side bigger than the other to
account for differing needs.

I KNOW anxiety.  I had panic attacks in college.  What I experience now is not
anxiety in the mental health sense.   I do understand what you are saying.  But,
that still doesn't mean that the adrenal glands or hormones aren't behind this.

Trembling can be due to low testosterone.  I guess since you are supplementing
that might not be the case.  Or maybe it is?  Thyroid?

You are a bodybuilder.  Are you exercising too much?  I have been told to cut
back on cardio work-outs (I do about 1 hr/day heavy cardio and weights) but this
hasn't been related to trembling; just overall stress/fatigue/well being.  So
far I haven't listened.  :)  You have maintained muscle mass or are you noticing
a decline unrelated to lifting?

Bad burping.  Get that, too.  I am certain this is diet related for me.  Sugars.
Are you a healthy eater?  I have some candida issues that rise/fall with my diet
changes.

Some might roll their eyes, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to either
test yourself for parasites or do a trial run of a broad reaching
anti-parasitic.  I have used Vermox (mebendazole) with my son twice with
excellent results (he didn't tremble, but he did have these brief, rapid shaking
episodes).  Vermox would mean taking 1, 100 mg chewable twice a day for 3 days
and then repeat again in 3 weeks.   Generally very well tolerated.  I think you
can get it without prescription in some non-US countries.

Ever had bloodwork to check pituitary function?

So many possibilities, it stinks to have to weed through them.

I'm sorry if you have said this before, but where do you stand with chelation?

Pam



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> oh my BP IS 115/68 on a regular basis,im 43 ,male ,also on hrt
therapy(testosterone)and was really low but now its in good range,1 200mg every
2 weeks,also i do know the numbers of what Andy C says and mine are good ,not
perfect,but not bad,my dhea is also good.ALSO this is the biggy,i dont even feel
like i have anxiety at all,i did at first but cause i never felt like this
before and was wandering what was happening to me,but no problems with that at
all and also i did a candida cleanse about 3 years ago and that actually made me
feel a lot better except it made my trembling a little worse but i have all the
symptons again,tired,bags dark circles under my eyes and weird feel like drunk
eyes.Also the trembling still and that is what i originally felt,the first thing
when all this started was this weird trembling.......i am a bodybuilder and
lifted very heavy for years.Oh i also should mention,when im really bad(the
symptons)i have the bad burping to like before i did a candida cleanse..could
this be parasites or some kind of weird virus???????also i dont have that pillow
you mentioned.
>
>

Oh, yes.  My diet has a great effect on my ability to think, sleep and function.
I am not sensitive to the degree you describe but I definitely notice a
difference when I eat sugars, simple carbs and basic junk.

I have to be very careful of what I eat in the afternoon or evening or I will
not sleep.  My cortisol is elevated in the PM/AM.  I've been told to reduce
stress (good luck!).

I have been labeled in adrenal stress, not fatigue.  I'm hoping that means it
will be easier to remedy???  B complex, C, E and other anti-oxidants are
helpful.  I've also noticed some improvement by replacing my multi w/o iron with
a multi w/iron.

Pam

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Gena Perkins <gena23224@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello, I've never posted here but have been following this thread on adrenals
with great interest. Some of what some of you share describes me to a "T". 
I've learned to be my own doctor and have been reading/researching like crazy.
My digestion is terrible, and so have been eating organic/raw for about 10+
years now. It's nice to be reading here and getting some answers as to some
possible reasons why. It the only thing this body will take. My blood pressure
is very low (90/60); doctors tell me how healthy I am but I know that is not
true.  I cannot eat too much and when/if I do eat anything that is not
raw/organic I have horrendous stomach aches for about 24 hours, and am
absolutely exhausted. I think there's something up with my adrenals after
reading some of your posts. After eating some lavash bread (yea, very senstive,
just like Andy says in his book, so sensitive people won't believe you)
something inside me was on high alert (my
>  adrenals/cortisol?) and would not let me sleep last night, even though I was
so incedibly tired. It's a horrible feeling.
>  
> I got the last of my amalgams removed a month ago. And was hoping my digestion
and liver (have weak liver also) would improve. But maybe I just need to give it
more time.  I've been reading lots about the protocol (DMPS/ALA) but since
everything gives my stomach so much agony I thought I'd wait a few months before
trying anything there.
>  
> Does/has anyone else had this experience with diet and their adrenals? I know
cortisol affects energy levels, but what about sleep, in relation to diet? 
Does anyone else react like this?
>  
> Thank you in advance.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Here are some examples, he sees a person or a car let's say but
doesn't really think it's physically there. He knows it's there though
but his brain is telling him otherwise. He was writing out a check
last week for the balance of 150 dollars. He wrote it out but still
called me to verify that it is for 150 dollars eventhough he wrote
that. Some days he has racing thoughts running through his mind and he
can't stop it.
Yes the procedures were done safely for amalgam removal but he still
has 5 crowns and we do not know what's under them.

Thanks



On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, "mkarty2007" <mkarty2007@...> wrote:

> <<<> Did anyone ever expirience hallucinations? Can that be related
> to adrenals being too low? My bro is expiriencing that right now and
> he removed all his amalgams 3 months ago. <<<<
>
> What kind of hallucinations?
>
> Did he have them removed with all necessary safety precautions?
>
> Rubber Dam + indepedent nasal air source etc..
>
>


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I agree! I hope the Mods keep allowing info on this, as it relates to using it
with Andy's method. Many of us on here have autoimmunity, chronic fatigue and
Fibromyalgia. There are a ton of other things in the AI book that Andy
recommends to help one through the chelation process. LDN was not being talked
about much back when AI was written, but I would like to think it might have
been included in AI today. Either way, maybe Andy will chime in on the subject
eventually. In the meantime, if this is something that is helping people treat
their symptoms while they are treating the cause by chelating, I am all for
mentioning it here!

HC

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, IDC2000@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think reporting on your experience with LDN and how it relates to
> the AC protocol would be forbidden.  It is when we start discussing the
> benefits/pitfalls of LDN outside of the AC protocol that might get us into
> trouble.
>
> I'm guessing the moderator will chime in if we stray too far from the  main
> subject.
> -----------------------------------------
> I haven't been following the group much lately, but from my recollection, the
use of LDN has been discussed in the past, maybe moreso or mostly on A-M, and I
don't recall Andy ever being against it.  I think it is one of those things that
he feels is worth some people trying, to see if it helps.  And if I recall
correctly, I think Linda has tried it too, possibly at Andy's suggestion.  So,
what I would suggest is that somebody do a search using onibasu to find posts by
Andy in archives about it, and then post them to the group, and then we can add
them to our files/links.
>
> So I think its ok to discuss LDN to some extent here, especially if it helps
control symptoms and allows chelation to be easier, but the LDN discussion
shouldn't take over our board either, because as I understand it, there are
groups dedicated to LDN only.  Does that sound reasonable?  And as I said above,
since this is FDC, we need to make sure we're following Andy's suggestions, so
again, I suggest searching archives.
>
> Jackie-----one of the moderators
> -----------------------------------------------
>

Would also be curious as to how many, and how old his amalgams were?

Jim
____________________________________________________________________________
__________


In a message dated 11/9/2009 12:31:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mkarty2007@... writes:




<<<> Did anyone ever expirience hallucinations? Can that be  related to
adrenals being too low? My bro is expiriencing that right now and  he removed
all his amalgams 3 months ago. <<<<

What kind of  hallucinations?

Did he have them removed with all necessary safety  precautions?

Rubber Dam + indepedent nasal air source  etc..








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--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "the alchemist" <drew_crav@...>
wrote:
>
> oh sorrry linda,im number 219,hair test and the saliva is on there,but thats
quite awile ago,the doctors did tell me the numbers and they were all very
good,even all the thyroid was as well,


==>for the thyroid we need to look at free T4 and free T3.  It is optimal if
they are in the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the normal range.  It is useless to look at
TSH because many of us have centrally mediated (secondary) hypothyroidism



but they are in canadian numbers so a little more harder to figure out..


===>my tests are in canadian numbers......



the hypoglycemia test was the one where you fast and do the glucose tolerance
test,but it was the only 1 shot one,not the 3-6 hour test.


===>read about hypoglycemia and match your symptoms to those listed.  Try a
hypoglycemia diet and see if that helps.  It helps your adrenals too if you can
keep blood sugar levels fairly constant.  Read the adrenal section of Amalgam
Illness.



yes have had this internal trembling 24/7 for 3 1/2 years along with the weird
drunkin high strange eyes feeling..


===>I recall others talking about this, but cannot recall what the cause was. 
maybe try using onibasu.com to search archives.



can to much adrenalin cause this??


===>I'm not sure.  Too much adrenaline gives me racing thoughts, too much
talking, fear, panic, anxiety, weepy.  It's almost like temporary insanity, but
I haven't had internal trembling.


also i have a neck that is in bad shape,saposed to be like a banana shape,but my
cervical chord is going the other way,


===>Do you have neck pain or headaches?

Linda


thougts???thanx
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee" <lindajaytee@>
wrote:
> >
> > It would help if you posted the results of your tests, including units and
normal range given.  For how to post hair tests, see the files section.
> >
> > Addison's disease is low cortisol.  Cushing's disease is high cortisol.  For
symptoms, do a google search for those 2 diseases and you will get the extremes.
People can be somewhat high or low in cortisol without reaching the extremes.
> >
> > When your doctor does tests, don't let them get away with just telling you
everything is ok.  Get a copy of every test result and check for yourself.  what
test did they do for hypoglycemia?  A glucose tolerance test?
> >
> > Best thing to do is some google searches, read about these things, and
compare your symptoms to those you find with the searches.
> >
> > http://www.ehow.com/how_2048219_test-hypoglycemia.html
> >
> > I have had high or low cortisol at various times without drunken feelings or
internal trembling.  I'm not sure what would cause those.
> >
> > Linda
> >
>