So, I developed IBS 3 months after I had my fillings out. I was not chelating at

that time. I didn't realize it at the time, but now I know that it was because

of the "dumping phase".



Does mercury cause IBS because it causes gut dysbiosis? Or for some other

reason?



I was thinking that I would just have to deal with having IBS until I finish

chelation, but now I'm wondering if I should be going on a diet like SCD or GAPS

to try to "cure" my IBS. I actually have my symptoms completely under control

right now... I mainly just have to avoid too much insoluble fiber... but this

means avoiding a lot of healthy foods like veggies and fruits.



I know the answer seems simple -- just try the diet. But because I have already

have to avoid SO many foods (due to IBS, food allergies and sulfur food

intolerance), going on SCD or GAPS would mean having an extremely limited diet.

I'd only be able to eat meat, squash, carrots, and olive oil. (Although

hopefully being on the diet would eventually allow me to tolerate more

foods/more insoluble fiber.) I wouldn't have any problem adhering to the diet,

but it would be difficult for me to get enough calories, and I'm already really

underweight. It also would be more expensive than the current diet I'm on, and

require more effort, and I don't have a whole lot of money or time.



So I need to know that doing this diet is worth it... Is it my best chance at

curing my IBS? Or would my IBS not likely be cured until I finish chelation

anyway?



Thanks for any advice.

Hi I'm also interested in any inputs about this topic.



I've noticed a lot of improvements in my IBS since starting chelation but

reading others experiences will be nice.



Thanks.



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "leahbeth85" <leelah_beth@...>

wrote:

>

> So, I developed IBS 3 months after I had my fillings out. I was not chelating

at that time. I didn't realize it at the time, but now I know that it was

because of the "dumping phase".

>

> Does mercury cause IBS because it causes gut dysbiosis? Or for some other

reason?

>

> I was thinking that I would just have to deal with having IBS until I finish

chelation, but now I'm wondering if I should be going on a diet like SCD or GAPS

to try to "cure" my IBS. I actually have my symptoms completely under control

right now... I mainly just have to avoid too much insoluble fiber... but this

means avoiding a lot of healthy foods like veggies and fruits.

>

> I know the answer seems simple -- just try the diet. But because I have

already have to avoid SO many foods (due to IBS, food allergies and sulfur food

intolerance), going on SCD or GAPS would mean having an extremely limited diet.

I'd only be able to eat meat, squash, carrots, and olive oil. (Although

hopefully being on the diet would eventually allow me to tolerate more

foods/more insoluble fiber.) I wouldn't have any problem adhering to the diet,

but it would be difficult for me to get enough calories, and I'm already really

underweight. It also would be more expensive than the current diet I'm on, and

require more effort, and I don't have a whole lot of money or time.

>

> So I need to know that doing this diet is worth it... Is it my best chance at

curing my IBS? Or would my IBS not likely be cured until I finish chelation

anyway?

>

> Thanks for any advice.

>

Hi,



It's good to hear that your IBS has improved with chelation. How many rounds

have you done?



I'm not currently chelating, and I only ever did 2 rounds, but when I did those

rounds, I had some improvements too. And at the end of my first round, I

actually some Candida overgrowth symptoms (which I don't normally have). So I

really wonder if mercury causes IBS for some reason other than gut dysbiosis.



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "r_chav" <r_chav@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi I'm also interested in any inputs about this topic.

>

> I've noticed a lot of improvements in my IBS since starting chelation but

reading others experiences will be nice.

>

> Thanks.

>

I've been discouraged as I've seen what people have said about their sulfur

intolerance (not breaking it down right?) not getting better after chelating. 

Is that normal for it not to get better or is that just for a few people?  I

don't have too much trouble with my tummy regarding sulfur, my symptoms are odd

- I get numbness in parts of my face, have eye problems (mostly right eye) and

swelling in my jaw (these symptoms go away when I eat a low sulfur/thiol diet).



Why do mercury toxic people have trouble with sulfur?  I'm not sure I get it.



Thanks ahead of time for helping me to understand.

Lynnette

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Here is a great collection of posts that deal with plasma cystiene which is part

of the sulfur issue.



http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status



Basically sulfur foods have one thiol bond (not sure if bond is the correct word

but it is a thiol thing :))  The chelating agents we take have a two thiol bond.



Mercury loves the thiol bond, but sadly the single thiol bond is not strong

enough to keep the mercury to get it out of the body.  (I think of chelating

agents having two hands to grab the mercury and sulfur foods having just one

hand)



The sulfur does grab the mercury but it drops it and moves it around and does

not get it out of the body.  So you get this great feeling for a while- mercury

being grab and then a crash when the mercury is let go.  It makes you feel

worse.



My biggest symptom from sulfur foods is numbness of leg and arm, also face and

sinus area.  Stopped when I removed sulfur.



Do some more reading from the link I gave you.  I am sure it will be explained

much better.



My tolerance for sulfur foods is getting better but it really is baby steps for

me.  Linda on the other hand was on the sulfur free diet for a year and it is my

understanding she now tolerates it.



Good luck

Colette



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Lynnette Kraft" <lynnette@...>

wrote:

>

> I've been discouraged as I've seen what people have said about their sulfur

intolerance (not breaking it down right?) not getting better after chelating. 

Is that normal for it not to get better or is that just for a few people?  I

don't have too much trouble with my tummy regarding sulfur, my symptoms are odd

- I get numbness in parts of my face, have eye problems (mostly right eye) and

swelling in my jaw (these symptoms go away when I eat a low sulfur/thiol diet).

>

> Why do mercury toxic people have trouble with sulfur?  I'm not sure I get it.

>

> Thanks ahead of time for helping me to understand.

> Lynnette

> www.lynnettekraft.com

>

>

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Very good analogy Colette re sulfur and mercury.



This statement from Andy (from the link you provided) is confusing to me

however:



"It is important to exclude sulfur for a week AFTER the introducing sulfur

foods. The reasonf or this is, paradoxically, if you have high cysteine, you may

feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by feeling worse

after sulfur is removed. "



So...if one feels better with sulfur foods, but worse after sulfur is removed,

why not stick with the sulfur foods (and also chelate)?



???



Dan





--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@...> wrote:



> Mercury loves the thiol bond, but sadly the single thiol bond is not strong

enough to keep the mercury to get it out of the body.  (I think of chelating

agents having two hands to grab the mercury and sulfur foods having just one

hand)

>

> The sulfur does grab the mercury but it drops it and moves it around and does

not get it out of the body.  So you get this great feeling for a while- mercury

being grab and then a crash when the mercury is let go.  It makes you feel

worse.

>

> My biggest symptom from sulfur foods is numbness of leg and arm, also face and

sinus area.  Stopped when I removed sulfur.

>



> Good luck

> Colette

>

I am not sure i have an answer for you other than to say that maybe there is

damage being done but you aren't aware?  Perhaps Linda has a better answer for

you.



Colette-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "kdrbrill" <danbecks@...>

wrote:

>

> Very good analogy Colette re sulfur and mercury.

>

> This statement from Andy (from the link you provided) is confusing to me

however:

>

> "It is important to exclude sulfur for a week AFTER the introducing sulfur

foods. The reasonf or this is, paradoxically, if you have high cysteine, you may

feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by feeling worse

after sulfur is removed. "

>

> So...if one feels better with sulfur foods, but worse after sulfur is removed,

why not stick with the sulfur foods (and also chelate)?

>

> ???

>

> Dan

>

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@> wrote:

>

> > Mercury loves the thiol bond, but sadly the single thiol bond is not strong

enough to keep the mercury to get it out of the body.  (I think of chelating

agents having two hands to grab the mercury and sulfur foods having just one

hand)

> >

> > The sulfur does grab the mercury but it drops it and moves it around and

does not get it out of the body.  So you get this great feeling for a while-

mercury being grab and then a crash when the mercury is let go.  It makes you

feel worse.

> >

> > My biggest symptom from sulfur foods is numbness of leg and arm, also face

and sinus area.  Stopped when I removed sulfur.

> >

>

> > Good luck

> > Colette

> >

>

This is all very interesting to me.  Thanks for helping me to understand.  It

really does make sense.  It's so interesting Colette that you get the numbness

too.  It's a strange symptom but I definitely get it - face, sometimes arms and

even in my rib sometimes.



I'm learning so much on here.

Lynnette



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www.lynnettekraft.com

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: cann7899

   To: frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:27 PM

   Subject: [frequent-dose-chelation] Re: Does poor sulfur oxidation get better

after chelating?- Linda?











   I am not sure i have an answer for you other than to say that maybe there is

damage being done but you aren't aware? Perhaps Linda has a better answer for

you.



   Colette-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "kdrbrill"

<danbecks@...> wrote:

   >

   > Very good analogy Colette re sulfur and mercury.

   >

   > This statement from Andy (from the link you provided) is confusing to me

however:

   >

   > "It is important to exclude sulfur for a week AFTER the introducing sulfur

foods. The reasonf or this is, paradoxically, if you have high cysteine, you may

feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by feeling worse

after sulfur is removed. "

   >

   > So...if one feels better with sulfur foods, but worse after sulfur is

removed, why not stick with the sulfur foods (and also chelate)?

   >

   > ???

   >

   > Dan

   >

   >

   > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@>

wrote:

   >

   > > Mercury loves the thiol bond, but sadly the single thiol bond is not

strong enough to keep the mercury to get it out of the body. (I think of

chelating agents having two hands to grab the mercury and sulfur foods having

just one hand)

   > >

   > > The sulfur does grab the mercury but it drops it and moves it around and

does not get it out of the body. So you get this great feeling for a while-

mercury being grab and then a crash when the mercury is let go. It makes you

feel worse.

   > >

   > > My biggest symptom from sulfur foods is numbness of leg and arm, also face

and sinus area. Stopped when I removed sulfur.

   > >

   >

   > > Good luck

   > > Colette

   > >

   >

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@...> wrote:

>

> I am not sure i have an answer for you other than to say that maybe there is

damage being done but you aren't aware?  Perhaps Linda has a better answer for

you.

>

> Colette-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "kdrbrill" <danbecks@>

wrote:

> >

> > Very good analogy Colette re sulfur and mercury.

> >

> > This statement from Andy (from the link you provided)



(http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status)





That above passage was written by the person who wrote the onibasu page.  We

could ask Jay to check it over.









> is confusing to me however:

> >

> > "It is important to exclude sulfur for a week AFTER the introducing sulfur

foods. The reasonf or this is, paradoxically, if you have high cysteine, you may

feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by feeling worse

after sulfur is removed. "

> >





I think this is a typo.  I think it should be something like "if you have high

cysteine, you may feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by

a period of feeling worse.  The sulfur food exclusion diet may need to be

repeated several times before a clear pattern emerges."







Linda







> > So...if one feels better with sulfur foods, but worse after sulfur is

removed, why not stick with the sulfur foods (and also chelate)?

> >

> > ???

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@>

wrote:

> >

> > > Mercury loves the thiol bond, but sadly the single thiol bond is not

strong enough to keep the mercury to get it out of the body.  (I think of

chelating agents having two hands to grab the mercury and sulfur foods having

just one hand)

> > >

> > > The sulfur does grab the mercury but it drops it and moves it around and

does not get it out of the body.  So you get this great feeling for a while-

mercury being grab and then a crash when the mercury is let go.  It makes you

feel worse.

> > >

> > > My biggest symptom from sulfur foods is numbness of leg and arm, also face

and sinus area.  Stopped when I removed sulfur.

> > >

> >

> > > Good luck

> > > Colette

> > >

> >

>

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" <lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cann7899" <cann7899@> wrote:

> >

> > I am not sure i have an answer for you other than to say that maybe there is

damage being done but you aren't aware?  Perhaps Linda has a better answer for

you.

> >

> > Colette-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "kdrbrill" <danbecks@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Very good analogy Colette re sulfur and mercury.

> > >

> > > This statement from Andy (from the link you provided)

>

> (http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cysteine_status)

>

>

> That above passage was written by the person who wrote the onibasu page.  We

could ask Jay to check it over.

>

>

>

>

> > is confusing to me however:

> > >

> > > "It is important to exclude sulfur for a week AFTER the introducing sulfur

foods. The reasonf or this is, paradoxically, if you have high cysteine, you may

feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by feeling worse

after sulfur is removed. "

> > >

>

>

> I think this is a typo.  I think it should be something like "if you have high

cysteine, you may feel better with sulfur at first, but this will be followed by

a period of feeling worse.  The sulfur food exclusion diet may need to be

repeated several times before a clear pattern emerges."

>

>

>



I was scratching my head too.. I've fixed up that paragraph to make it more

clear, and added a link to the post by Andy that is the source of that

information. Let me know if it's still confusing.



Jay

Lynette, I believe some mercury toxic people have trouble with sulfur because it

loosely binds mercury and drags it around your body, but doesn't eliminate it.

So the mercury just gets redistributed and causes symptoms. (Someone correct me

if I'm wrong.) This problem should certainly go away once you are finished

chelation, and possibly sooner. (Some people have been able to add back some

sulfur foods even before finishing chelation.)



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Lynnette Kraft" <lynnette@...>

wrote:

>

> I've been discouraged as I've seen what people have said about their sulfur

intolerance (not breaking it down right?) not getting better after chelating. 

Is that normal for it not to get better or is that just for a few people?  I

don't have too much trouble with my tummy regarding sulfur, my symptoms are odd

- I get numbness in parts of my face, have eye problems (mostly right eye) and

swelling in my jaw (these symptoms go away when I eat a low sulfur/thiol diet).

>

> Why do mercury toxic people have trouble with sulfur?  I'm not sure I get it.

>

> Thanks ahead of time for helping me to understand.

> Lynnette

> www.lynnettekraft.com

>

>

>

>

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I've done 19 rounds as of today.



I also had a lot of yeast overgrowth symptoms, it was hard the first 10 rounds

or so. I eliminated sugars from my diet and from time to time I took some mild

antifungals to control the yeast. It worked to some extent but I fear that you

have to suffer for a while with it. Yeast and Mercury are kind of the chicken

and the egg story.



At this point I definitely know my depression symptoms were mercury related and

I'm 60% sure my IBS is too. I hope that when I reach the 40 rounds my ND is

aiming at my assertion will grow near 100% certainty.



We'll see,



Good luck.



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "leahbeth85" <leelah_beth@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> It's good to hear that your IBS has improved with chelation. How many rounds

have you done?

>

> I'm not currently chelating, and I only ever did 2 rounds, but when I did

those rounds, I had some improvements too. And at the end of my first round, I

actually some Candida overgrowth symptoms (which I don't normally have). So I

really wonder if mercury causes IBS for some reason other than gut dysbiosis.

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "r_chav" <r_chav@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Hi I'm also interested in any inputs about this topic.

> >

> > I've noticed a lot of improvements in my IBS since starting chelation but

reading others experiences will be nice.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

> I was thinking that I would just have to deal with having IBS until I finish

chelation, but now I'm wondering if I should be going on a diet like SCD or GAPS

to try to "cure" my IBS.





These do not cure it.  They simply put it in remission as long as you follow

them.  Since you've already figured out how to do that there is no point doing

this.



>I actually have my symptoms completely under control right now... I mainly just

have to avoid too much insoluble fiber... but this means avoiding a lot of

healthy foods like veggies and fruits.

>

> I know the answer seems simple -- just try the diet.



Simple like "just make a million dollars," or "just go to the gym and bulk up

like Schwartzenegger.



Diets are hard. Don't bother if you don't nneed them.  All these 2 diets wuold

do for you is get you back to where you already are, so unless they seem easier

and more fun than what you are doing now, don't bother.



> So I need to know that doing this diet is worth it... Is it my best chance at

curing my IBS? Or would my IBS not likely be cured until I finish chelation

anyway?



These diets do NOT NOT NOT cure anything.  They only put it in remission.



Chelation might or might not do it, but has a lot more hope.



> Thanks for any advice.

>

Andy





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Thank you for your input, Andy.



Some people with IBS do find that these diets enable them to tolerate more foods

over time, ie. more insoluble fiber, more raw vegetables, etc. They also

sometimes get rid of some food allergies (supposedly by healing leaky gut), of

which I have a huge number. I'm just not sure if this would be the case for ME,

considering my problems are caused by mercury toxicity.



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler"

<AndyCutler@...> wrote:

>

> > I was thinking that I would just have to deal with having IBS until I finish

chelation, but now I'm wondering if I should be going on a diet like SCD or GAPS

to try to "cure" my IBS.

>

>

> These do not cure it.  They simply put it in remission as long as you follow

them.  Since you've already figured out how to do that there is no point doing

this.

>

> >I actually have my symptoms completely under control right now... I mainly

just have to avoid too much insoluble fiber... but this means avoiding a lot of

healthy foods like veggies and fruits.

> >

> > I know the answer seems simple -- just try the diet.

>

> Simple like "just make a million dollars," or "just go to the gym and bulk up

like Schwartzenegger.

>

> Diets are hard. Don't bother if you don't nneed them.  All these 2 diets wuold

do for you is get you back to where you already are, so unless they seem easier

and more fun than what you are doing now, don't bother.

>

> > So I need to know that doing this diet is worth it... Is it my best chance

at curing my IBS? Or would my IBS not likely be cured until I finish chelation

anyway?

>

> These diets do NOT NOT NOT cure anything.  They only put it in remission.

>

> Chelation might or might not do it, but has a lot more hope.

>

> > Thanks for any advice.

> >

> Andy

>

>

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I too have suffered severe IBS for several years.  Mine came about after an

emergency cholecystectomy which I suspect was mercury-related.  Even though I

was assured that I would not suffer any ill effects after the surgery, I was

plagued with diarrhea, heartburn, nausea, bowel pain and uncontrollable weight

gain. And within a year of the cholecystectomy, I had an emergency appendectomy.

The doctors diagnosed me with IBS (which I think is the label they use when they

don't have a clue) and gave me a lot of drugs that either didn't really help or

had bad side effects.  I finally went to the Internet to try to find some relief

and found the SCD listserv – and got a whole lot better when I religiously

followed the diet.  In the last seven years I have never been able to stray far

from the diet without consequences.



But for me, when I chelate (DMSA 25 mg every four hours) my IBS symptoms

(diarrhea) get worse even when I strictly adhere to the SCD.  It was so bad that

I quit for several months and then started again a year ago.  When I took a

three week break in July the diarrhea went away after a week and was back within

hours of my first dose of DMSA.  I have tried lowering the dose, eliminating

sulphur, rotating foods, dropping and adding supplements (even stopping all and

adding back one at a time).  Activated Charcoal helps somewhat, but I have

trouble taking it at a time that it will not interfere with DMSA or other

supplements.  Also, I have pursued DMPS, but the alternative doctor will only do

IV.  I currently lack the financial resources to seek out other doctors.



In spite of the problems, I want to continue chelating because I think that the

mercury in my system is harming me more that the bowel symptoms.  I am drinking

lots of water to stay hydrated and I take Imodium if I have to travel.   And I

am hoping, hoping, hoping that it will get better.









On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:49 PM, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:---

In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "andrewhallcutler" <AndyCutler@...>

wrote:

>

> > I was thinking that I would just have to deal with having IBS until I finish

chelation, but now I'm wondering if I should be going on a diet like SCD or GAPS

to try to "cure" my IBS.

>

>

> These do not cure it.  They simply put it in remission as long as you follow

them.  Since you've already figured out how to do that there is no point doing

this.

>

> >I actually have my symptoms completely under control right now... I mainly

just have to avoid too much insoluble fiber... but this means avoiding a lot of

healthy foods like veggies and fruits.

> >

> > I know the answer seems simple -- just try the diet.

>

> Simple like "just make a million dollars," or "just go to the gym and bulk up

like Schwartzenegger.

>

> Diets are hard. Don't bother if you don't nneed them.  All these 2 diets wuold

do for you is get you back to where you already are, so unless they seem easier

and more fun than what you are doing now, don't bother.

>

> > So I need to know that doing this diet is worth it... Is it my best chance

at curing my IBS? Or would my IBS not likely be cured until I finish chelation

anyway?

>

> These diets do NOT NOT NOT cure anything.  They only put it in remission.

>

> Chelation might or might not do it, but has a lot more hope.

>

> > Thanks for any advice.

> >

> Andy

>

>

> <a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html">Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

Treatment</a >

>

> <a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html">Hair Test Interpretation:

Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

>

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Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

>

> <a href="http://www.noamalgam.com/biologicaltreatments.html">Biological

Treatments for Autism and PDD</a >

>