Hi, Nanci.

I'll have to read the whole "stealth virus" thread now. How do you know
which viruses affected you? Was it some kind of a test?

Thanks!
Katie

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:24 PM, nanciwell <nanciwell@...> wrote:

> I had an interesting  crisis.  I have  been on  the herbals  for my
> adrenals  after  having  found  taking  adrenal  extract  seemed to bother
> me.   I went  on  the adrenal  extract  this  week  as I  like  to give
> things  a  second and  third  try ..  I have  been noticing  I was  having
>  a harder  time  with  certain  foods{ gluten etc}  and that my energy was
>  more down.. I  cannot  say it  was from chelating  which  I have been doing
> on a regular  basis ,
>
> So  I  started  the  adrenal  pills  three days  ago. The  first  36 hours
>  I  felt  great improvement.  I  felt  less dragged out/ exhausted  and
>  realised  how poorly I have been.  But  by   last night  I  noticed  I was
> feeling more  fatigued  ,, this time  it  directly   parralleled  eating ..
>  An hour  after eating  I  felt  wiped  out---  rather  emotion  and  in the
>  way that has been my pattern  in my health  problems.  I  feel like my
> right  side,,   gets  quite  weak  and I  will have  troubles  walking
>  without  fear and  I will have difficulty  holding onto  things and
>  writing with my right  hand.
>
>  I had  been  on  the  mercury  autism  group   and had  come  across  the
>  information  on treating  viral problems.  I had just  restarted  taking
>  the homeopathics  for   several of the viruses  tha  I knew  affect me..
>  polio,  tetanus , simian   that  are present in  the vaccines  I received
> as a  child.   I  found  last night  when I was  very  tired  after eating
>  when I  had  these homeopathics  my energy improved  immediately.
>
> This morning  I   did  further  investigations and  experiments ,,   I
>  added  in   homeopathic  epstein barr  which I  know  I have,  and
>  noticed  again  an improvement.   I  read the  download of the info  about
>  how  viruses  are linked  into  immunity and digestive problems  . Taking
>  antivirals  is suggested .  SO  I  took  some  olive  leaf  extract and
> again  had some improvements.
>
> Now   what is interesting  is that    I am sure  those viral  symptoms  got
>  worse  after  adding  in the   adrenal  extract.. And this is why  on  my
>  first  attempt  at  adrenal  extract  I  thought  I was  sensitive to it...
>   I know  understand  that  alot  of my sensitivity  comes  from  how these
> stealth  viruses  affect my gut..
>
>  I  have continued  all day taking the adrenal  supplement  as well as
>  taking the homeopathics and the  olive leaf  extract  and  one hour eating
> my  most  recent  meal   my gut is  totally fine.. and I just  realised
>  even with the  fruit{  without  any  protein as  I forgot }    I feel
> abnormally fine.  Usually  I would have  to had  some protein with  carbs
>  in order  not  to have  some negative   affect..
>
> nanci
>
>


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I have written before -  Our son , Travis has Down Syndrome and we aare giving
him 12.5 mg of DMSA.  We were giving him a combination of DMSA and ALA but we
moved back to DMSA.

Travis has developed a number of behavior issues.  Shouting out repeating the
name of a family member over and over.  His condition is like OCD.  We are going
to the clinic on Monday and we are going to ask for a script of SSRI.  With
using DMSA is their a family of SSRI that works best?

Thanks

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Jan" <mercurybabies2@...>
wrote:
>
> how many rounds have you done? How many months into chelation are you?

* i had my one year anniversary this month. i have done around 30 rounds
minimum. i took 3 weeks off for xmas and another 3 when i was on holiday but no
off rounds since xmas.

Alexis

How long after you started the armour before you noticed a difference?  Did you
pains in various places like the shoulder and hip?  I have not had the correct
thyroid tests done and only some of my thyroid results were on the low end.
Thank You, Christie

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "amagi10" <amagi10@...> wrote:
>
> I had similar pains before on the left side just not due to chelation. I tried
massage & all kinds of things which only provided temporary relief. Then I
started taking armour thyroid & the majority of the pain went away permantely. I
have read that thyroid problems can cause some shoulder & hip pain.

> >
> > Yes the pains are in both arms but the left arm is worse, they don't hurt
all the time thank god. They hurt real bad when i raise them above my shoulders
or reach behind the back, to the point of the arm becoming immobile for a few
minutes until the pain goes once the arm is in a safe position again, The pain
is a sharp ripped muscle type pain and in my left arm it goes up to the top of
my head now.
> >
> > Dudley

Nanci,

Would you tell me what homeopathic you take for Epstein Barr?

nanciwell wrote:
>
>
>
> This morning I did further investigations and experiments ,, I added
> in homeopathic epstein barr which I know I have, and
> noticed again an improvement. I read the download of the info about
> how viruses are linked into immunity and digestive problems . Taking
> antivirals is suggested . SO I took some olive leaf extract and again
> had some improvements.
>
>
>
> nanci
>
>

where does one get these canary lab tests? does julie do them?

thanks
monique

Yes, this is what should be done.
You need to verify you are not high cortisol before going on HC.
The saliva test you speak of will give four cortisol readings, dhea
levels. It's very informative and will let you know how bad your
adrenals are so you can decide the best option to treat it.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:frequent-dose-chelation%40yahoogroups.com>, "mercurybeater"
<mercurybeater@
...> wrote:
  >
  > Monique
  > i think you want to get test results to see when adrenals/cortisol
are low and then tailor the HC to low periods..isn't this what shoud be
done Linda/jackie??
  >
  > I think the canary lab tests that are suggested here take saliva 4
times during the day to get a cross section of time measurement



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I had an interesting  crisis.  I have  been on  the herbals  for my adrenals 
after  having  found  taking  adrenal  extract  seemed to bother me.   I went 
on  the adrenal  extract  this  week  as I  like  to give things  a  second and 
third  try ..  I have  been noticing  I was  having  a harder  time  with 
certain  foods{ gluten etc}  and that my energy was  more down.. I  cannot  say
it  was from chelating  which  I have been doing on a regular  basis ,

So  I  started  the  adrenal  pills  three days  ago. The  first  36 hours  I 
felt  great improvement.  I  felt  less dragged out/ exhausted  and  realised 
how poorly I have been.  But  by   last night  I  noticed  I was feeling more 
fatigued  ,, this time  it  directly   parralleled  eating ..  An hour  after
eating  I  felt  wiped  out---  rather  emotion  and  in the  way that has been
my pattern  in my health  problems.  I  feel like my right  side,,   gets  quite
weak  and I  will have  troubles  walking    without  fear and  I will have
difficulty  holding onto  things and  writing with my right  hand.

   I had  been  on  the  mercury  autism  group   and had  come  across  the 
information  on treating  viral problems.  I had just  restarted  taking  the
homeopathics  for   several of the viruses  tha  I knew  affect me..  polio, 
tetanus , simian   that  are present in  the vaccines  I received as a  child.  
I  found  last night  when I was  very  tired  after eating  when I  had  these
homeopathics  my energy improved  immediately.

This morning  I   did  further  investigations and  experiments ,,   I  added 
in   homeopathic  epstein barr  which I  know  I have,  and
  noticed  again  an improvement.   I  read the  download of the info  about  how
viruses  are linked  into  immunity and digestive problems  . Taking  antivirals
is suggested .  SO  I  took  some  olive  leaf  extract and again  had some
improvements.

Now   what is interesting  is that    I am sure  those viral  symptoms  got 
worse  after  adding  in the   adrenal  extract.. And this is why  on  my  first
attempt  at  adrenal  extract  I  thought  I was  sensitive to it...   I know 
understand  that  alot  of my sensitivity  comes  from  how these stealth 
viruses  affect my gut..

  I  have continued  all day taking the adrenal  supplement  as well as  taking
the homeopathics and the  olive leaf  extract  and  one hour eating my  most 
recent  meal   my gut is  totally fine.. and I just  realised  even with the 
fruit{  without  any  protein as  I forgot }    I feel abnormally fine.  Usually
I would have  to had  some protein with  carbs  in order  not  to have  some
negative   affect..

nanci

I don't seem to have any side effects this time now that I cut the 6.25 mg ALA
dose in half.

How are rounds supposed to go? Is it best to not have any side effects at all,
and then increase ALA after a period of time, like 2 months or so?

I didn't do too bad on 6.25 mg, I just felt spacey the 3rd day and more tired
the day after the round, but then I recovered fast.

I think the HC is definitely helping me through rounds now. Thanks to all here
for sending me to canaryclub.org to get saliva test to hormones.

Joe

Would sodium thiosulfate have the same effects as sulfur foods? It's an
ingredient in some salt that I have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_thiosulfate

I had similar pains before on the left side just not due to chelation. I tried
massage & all kinds of things which only provided temporary relief. Then I
started taking armour thyroid & the majority of the pain went away permantely. I
have read that thyroid problems can cause some shoulder & hip pain.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "dudley.smith89"
<dudley.smith89@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes the pains are in both arms but the left arm is worse, they don't hurt all
the time thank god. They hurt real bad when i raise them above my shoulders or
reach behind the back, to the point of the arm becoming immobile for a few
minutes until the pain goes once the arm is in a safe position again, The pain
is a sharp ripped muscle type pain and in my left arm it goes up to the top of
my head now.
>
> Dudley
>
>
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "weighttrainer" <cbumgarner@>
wrote:
> >
> > Dudley, are the pains in both arms?  Is it a burning pain and does it
> >  hurt when you are not using your arms for anything?
> > Thanks, Christie
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "dudley.smith89"
<dudley.smith89@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I still have the pains in my arms since chelating i have stopped chelating
for about 5weeks now and have had the pain for about 12weeks total its real
strange whats happened there. i was going to try a round of Dmsa but at the
moment am not confident to try.
> > > I am waiting for a physio appt but the nhs take for ever.
> > > I still think it was the chelators causing this as i never had any probs
before and i had been sick for 16mnths or so before i chelated
> > > the chelators may had had a reaction to the cipro legacy. All i know is
its very demoralising not feeling confident to start again.
> > > Dudley.
> >
>

Mia
no dmsa/dmps or ala before removal; in fact AI says no ala until at least 3
months post removal

no chlorella. it is not a chelator

dmsa is i believe suggested every 3 hours and 4 at night
dmps up to every 8 hours
ala every 3 hours during day up to 4 at night

unfortunately these docs are OTL(out to lunch) on chelation

Also the book is outdated as to dosage, Mr Cutler is doing a new one

suggest vitamin C orally and even vitamin C IV if they are available, but no
other crap in it

also bentonite clay and activated charcoal before removal

I believe you do not want to do vitamin C the day before and of removal as it
could effect anesthetic

Michael

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Mia Harrod" <miaharrod@...>
wrote:
>
> I called my doctor today, he is a functional medicine doctor, a holistic
> doctor, and an osteopath, he prefers using natural medicines and I really
> like him a lot. I told him of my plans to get my amalgams removed and I
> asked him what I need to do to prepare my body for the removal. He told me
> that he wants to put me on DMSA, only 9 pills. He said to take the DMSA
> every 6 hours the day before removal, the day of removal and the day after
> removal. Only 9 pills total. And to also take a powder form of Vitamin C
> until my bowels get loose and to take the other stuff that you all say
> isn't recommended I think it was called Chloraphill or Chlorella or
> something like that ( a popular chelator).
>
>
>
> I recently ordered Andy's book and it should be in the mail this week, so I
> plan to read it before I get the removal done. Is the proper protocol in
> his book, because the one my doctor talks about doesn't seem to be what I
> have read on these messages here.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mia
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

my ferratin is 18 which i understand is on the low side.  did a little research
on symptoms and adhd popped up.  which i have in abundance.  so, i'm going to
start supplementing with iron and see if it makes a difference.

anybody else ever heard of this connection?

   val

Jan wrote:


> You can put some iodine on your skin in a patch the size of a quarter and see
how long it takes to absorb. It if is gone fairly quickly, you need it. If it's
there all day...you probably don't need it.



I don't believe the skin patch test is accurate, although it is
talked up quite a bit on various health groups.

Dr. David Derry, author of "Breast Cancer and Iodine" says
the following about the iodine skin patch test:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

Michelle

Here are the tests:
http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_261.pdf - Me

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_224.pdf - Son

Thank you in advance, Chana





--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "ds8440" <abemom2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi! My results show me not to be toxic: Test 261, while my oldest son, age 4
is toxic, test 224.
>
> I am low on some minerals though. Can anyone explain the results to me?
>
> Low adrenals maybe - how do I check that?
>
> Thank you, Chana
>

Has anyone else had this before? It happened last round for me, lingered a bit
on the right foot after the round, but then cleared off round by day 2.

My current specs: am doing ALA alone 6.25mg every 2 hours (round 7 with ALA,
before that did 11 with DMSA only).  Have lead so am continuing one round of
DMSA per month.  DMSA has been effective but slow going. Last year would do two
rounds DMSA in a row taking an 11-14 day break.  Trouble with infection when I
tried four in a row last july/august.

Was hoping to go up in dose to 8mg or 12mg in an ALA alone round this weekend.

Any thoughts?

Kind regards and thanks,

Laura

No, but he should form one....I am sure many would be interested. Try searching
around in Yahoo Groups to see if anyone has formed something like this.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mireilledelman" <mfavdel@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a support group for spouses of people who live with
chronic ailments such as those developed with mercury toxicity? My husband is
asking this question....
>

True, while it can be good for some, be sure your dose is not too high.
Did you do an iodine test to be sure you needed it?

You can put some iodine on your skin in a patch the size of a quarter and see
how long it takes to absorb. It if is gone fairly quickly, you need it. If it's
there all day...you probably don't need it.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <joe525us@...> wrote:
>
> I can only take the RDA of Iodine and any more than that I get bad insomnia.
>
> Some people I know claim there is no widespread Iodine deficiency. I've heard
of people that were affected badly from high dose Iodine, that became so tired
they could hardly get out of bed.
>
> One option is to stop it altogether. You may not need it at all.
>

Linda said she may be away a few days, so I popped in to help her out.
Hopefully, she'll be back online soon. She and I used to "work together" on
Autism-Mercury with this stuff.

I just wanted to add that the lithium or lack of lithium can be from mercury. We
see this on a lot of tests that are not clear for hg problems. So if you know
he's had the exposure, it makes sense to try treatment. We do see tests that
don't meet rules until chelation has begun.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Jackie" <jtrunt@...> wrote:
>
>
>   In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com Wanda Long wrote:
>
>   Could someone interpret my husband's Hair Test 266 for me? 
www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_266.pdf
>
>   ---------His hair test does not meet any of the counting rules, so shows
normal mineral transport, in which case, Andy says the toxic elements are
probably pretty accurate.  So it is unclear whether mercury is a problem for him
or not.  He certainly has had exposure, and I find it odd that mercury and the
other toxics are all quite low, like he has trouble excreting.  But we usually
see the all low pattern in the essential elements too, in these cases.  So
again, to me it is unclear whether mercury is a problem or not.
>
>   He does show somewhat of the adrenal pattern, with cal and mag going down,
and sodium and potassium going up, so that may be worth investigating.
>
>   His Ca/Mg ratio is out of range, indicating blood sugar regulation problems,
and you do mention hypoglycemia, but with his weight problem, I guess I was
expecting diabetes.  But there are a number of things to do to help regulate
blood sugar, like frequent high protein meals, limiting carbs, and taking
chromium picolinate with every meal.
>
>   His Ca/P ratio is low, meaning he is a fast metabolizer, so medications,
etc., will probably wear off faster on him, or he'll need more frequent dosing
(that happens when people chelate).
>
>   When lithium is red low, Andy says it's ok to supplement with lithium
orotate, to see if it helps with mood, etc.
>
>   I'll comment more below.  I copied his health history from the hair test
page.-------Jackie
>
>
>
>   My husband is not well; a recent additional symptom is weak legs - they
don't want to do what his brain tells them to do.
>
>   --------I hope Linda responds to this, for some reason I'm thinking
potassium when you say this.  Anyway, electrolytes in general can be muscle
related, so maybe experiment with potassium, magnesium, calcium, sodium,
etc.--------Jackie
>
>
>   Thanks so much!
>   Wanda
>
>   Health history for hair test 266
>
>   Relationship to other hair tests - Wife (mine) is #203
>
>   2 grandsons - #232, 233
>
>   Here is the information requested:
>
>   Age 67
>
>   Current symptoms and health history- obesity, fibromyalgia, constant/chronic
fatigue, fatigue after light exertion, crumbling top front teeth, bruxism, front
bottom teeth cupped, TMJ, wears bite splint, gum disease, gums bleed easily,
metallic taste in mouth, sinus infections, post nasal drip, dry skin on arms and
feet, thick toenails, poor short term memory, poor balance, sleep apnea, low
body temperature, food sensitivities, candida, hypoglycemia, insomnia, tinnitus,
severe muscle spasms, diverticulosis, dizziness, low back pain, hip replacements
(titanium) in August, 2002 and February 2009, moodiness, irritability, anxiety.
>
>   ---------The last three might be related to the low lithium, and anxiety can
go along with adrenal problems.  Many of these symptoms are also consistent with
mercury poisoning, so it is reasonable to suspect it, but it also sounds like
he's had exposure to other chemicals/medications (below), which could be
contributing also.  I would think that the right supplements should help with at
least some of these symptoms, so starting with Andy's basics and then working on
specific issues, should help.
>
>   So he still has low body temps while on Armour?  Do you have any recent
labs, including free T3 and free T4?  Has he ever had thyroid antibodies
checked, or reverse T3?
>
>   For the fibro, he should avoid all partially hydrogenated oils, and try lots
of magnesium.  There are other suggestions in AI, and maybe you want to read
Teitlebaum's "From Fatigued to Fantastic".
>
>   Has he ever done food allergy testing (US Biotek) and other GI testing, like
a stool analysis from Genova?  Addressing these issues and supplementing to aide
digestion might help alot.--------Jackie
>
>
>
>   Dental history - Because Mom didn't have access to dental work as a child,
she made sure all her kids did see the dentist, so amalgams were placed probably
at a young age. Terry had 4 teeth (not wisdom) pulled while in his 20s, no
bridges placed, so teeth have shifted sideways. TMJ 15-20 years ago, still wears
a bite splint of acrylic and stainless steel. No root canals or braces.
>
>   ----------I think the bruxism is sometimes low minerals, and zinc would be
one to try, besides the electrolytes mentioned above.------Jackie
>
>
>
>   Present dental work - has several amalgam fillings.
>
>   -------You mention bleeding gums and gum disease above, and since his hair
test didn't show deranged mineral transport, I'm wondering if he maybe has more
of a mercury allergy, which will still cause alot of symptoms.  Dave Sherratt
Johnson did the Melisa test which confirmed this for him.--------Jackie
>
>
>
>   Mother - no dental work during pregnancy, all her teeth were pulled when
Terry was 5.
>
>   Vaccinations - usual shots, no travel, flu or pneumonia shots.
>
>   Supplements and medicines at time of hair test and 3-6 months prior - Flomax
for urine flow, Moduretic and Vasotec for high blood pressure, Armour thyroid
(240 mg), Ultram for pain, Elavil for sleep, Valium as needed for muscle spasms,
Restful Night Essentials (Dr. Julian Whitaker) for sleep, Saw Palmetto for
prostate health, Psyllium husks for regularity.
>
>   ---------I'm not familiar with all of these meds, but I would read about the
possible side effects, and see if they are contributing to his problems.  I
would try lots of minerals, to see if they help with the muscle issues, and
there are many things that others would suggest to try for sleep/insomnia, so
ask in a separate post, or search archives, etc.  ----------Jackie
>
>
>
>   Other relevant information - From 1985-2000, Terry received monthly shots of
celestone, depomedrol and novocaine for help with fibromyalgia. The doctor says
these were not preserved with thimerosol. In his working career, Terry caponized
chickens injecting them with distebestrol. Was this preserved with mercury? I
don't know. He often stuck himself with the needle. He worked in the feed and
grain industry and at one time lived on a fruit farm.
>
>   --------Since his hair test was unclear, I would certainly investigate all
these other meds and chemicals he was exposed to.  Even if they weren't
preserved with thimerosol, maybe the chemical themselves were harmful to him. 
Regular saunas may help him detox, and taking liver supporting supplements as
recommended by Andy should be helpful too.---------Jackie
>
>   Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
>
>
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

This sounds like adrenaline surges. They cause palpitations or fluttering in the
chest, but not your heart per say...
You feel shaky, hyper, weird...

yep too much adrenaline, not enough cortisol. Are you on adrenal support as
adrenal cortex or HC? You may need to look into this to help stop what is going
on.
I also find that I need to eat protein before bed or I wake up with this too.
Out of a dead sleep I wake up with my chest thumping and sweating. Things that
help it for me are controlling my blood sugar with chromium, not going to long
without eating, avoiding caffeine and sugar, taking adrenal cortex (I'm not on
HC but should be) so something for adrenals to help regulate the cortisol rhythm
so this stops happening.
Also have you had your thyroid checked? My dd got the trembling when she was
hyperthyroid.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "drew" <drew_crav@...> wrote:
>
>> also,this internal trembling can get real bad and shaky,almost like heart
pumping real fast but its not the heart,,,is this what you call to much
adrenalin and not enuff cortisol,,this can actually wake me up all the time,or
could this also be low testosterone,because i have that to...im number 219,,but
way worse since then with the eyes and neck and balancing caused by that
internal trembling
>

Yes, this is what should be done.
You need to verify you are not high cortisol before going on HC.
The saliva test you speak of will give four cortisol readings, dhea levels. It's
very informative and will let you know how bad your adrenals are so you can
decide the best option to treat it.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mercurybeater"
<mercurybeater@...> wrote:
>
> Monique
> i think you want to get test results to see when adrenals/cortisol are low and
then tailor the HC to low periods..isn't this what shoud be done Linda/jackie??
>
> I think the canary lab tests that are suggested here take saliva 4 times
during the day to get a cross section of time measurement
>
> Michael
>
> -- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Monique Sauve <moniquesauve@>
wrote:
> >
> > what test is that? i ad an adrenal test done where i spit onto paper
> > thruout day and sent it to lab in US. all ND told me was that adrenals
> > were very low.
> >
> > m
> >
> > HI Monique
> > my understanding of dosing times is that you should take
> > when your cortisol is low..i had low levels in early am and in
> > early afternoon
> >
> > Yes i do take with light protein meal which I believe was recommended
> >
> > have you had your cortisol tested with thye saliva test where
> > they do every 4-5 hours to get an idea of how your levels are through
> > the day?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>

Those medications will not mess up the cortisol test. Only adrenal supplements
or cortisone would.
Your good to go.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Wanda Long <w_long3@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> We have a saliva test kit for my husband for cortisol and hormones from Canary
Club.  Will taking the antidepressant Elavil and/or Armour Thyroid mess up the
results of the test?  The instructions say to consult our physician, but we
basically ordered it ourselves.
>  
> Thanks for any insight you may have.
>  
> Wanda
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

No, we have not seen puffy eyes from adrenals, but from thyroid. Dark circles
are yeast or food allergies or a virus.
I do not have internal shaking...but shaking would be too much adrenaline.
Adrenal hormones can affect digestion, maybe that's where the burping comes in.

Have you done a saliva test for your adrenals?

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "drew" <drew_crav@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone here tell me if adrenals causes puffy eyes and dark cicles and also
when you have internal shaking-does that cause burping type feeling,like gas
burping,,it seems i have bad burping when the internal trembling and real puffy
eyes like im stoned are at its worst
>
> also is this when your producing to much adrenalin and low cortisol or to much
cortisol
>

I just divide up the 50mg into the dose I need and put that into empty caps.
Then I fill the rest of the caps with other supps I am taking like vitamin c.

The ala will last for 24 hours the way your doing it...and this is fine to do.

I have not heard that about the Na ascorbic...

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <joe525us@...> wrote:
>
> I have 50 mg capsules of ALA and the way I can divide it into small doses, I
mix 1/2 a capsule into 8 oz of water and take 1 oz every 3 hours to equal 3.5
mg. with a tad of lime juice added for acidity.
>
> I've seen low dose ALA for sale online but it's expensive. I can buy 50 mg
capsules for less and save money this way. They seem to charge a lot of small
dose ALA for some reason. My last round I did this too and it seemed to work, so
it looks to me that the ALA is retaining it's potency quite well in the acid
water.
>
> I was reading where Andy also said a little vinegar would be OK. I keep it in
the cupboard all the time.
>
> I also added 300 mg of NAC to it and 500 mg of Na Asc. I take 300 mg NAC every
other day. I take 3-4 grams of Na Asc daily. I've heard the Na Asc helps with
chelating quite a bit, esp if ALA is taken.
>
> Joe
>

i meant to add that it (iodine, kelp) seems to negatively affect my adrenals at
least thats how it seemed to feel, aches in body and weakness in legs

michael
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <joe525us@...> wrote:
>
> I can only take the RDA of Iodine and any more than that I get bad insomnia.
>
> Some people I know claim there is no widespread Iodine deficiency. I've heard
of people that were affected badly from high dose Iodine, that became so tired
they could hardly get out of bed.
>
> One option is to stop it altogether. You may not need it at all.
>

Chelation makes you have brain symptoms but what your having tells me you need
to lower your dose and increase your vitamin C. Are you using both dmsa and ala?
and how much?

If using both, consider dropping the ala for now and doing some dmsa only
rounds. I was not able to tolerate ala until I had done 16 rounds....which,
while uncommon...some of us need to lower body levels of hg in order to do ala
without these issues.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, W A <imagineus11@...> wrote:
>
> Hi There,
>
> I have recentley started doing chelation again and when i start up i
experience strange head symptoms. I was diagnosed with mercury, ammonia and
parasites in the head area and wonder if chealtion makes people have brain
symptoms?
> Sometimes it feels like i might have a seizure but never do or I get
lightheaded too or pain in spots. I always stop chelating because I get scared
of these symptoms but know I have to get the mercury out.
> Have you heard of this?
>
> Thank you,
> Wendy
>

I called my doctor today, he is a functional medicine doctor, a holistic
doctor, and an osteopath, he prefers using natural medicines and I really
like him a lot. I told him of my plans to get my amalgams removed and I
asked him what I need to do to prepare my body for the removal. He told me
that he wants to put me on DMSA, only 9 pills. He said to take the DMSA
every 6 hours the day before removal, the day of removal and the day after
removal. Only 9 pills total. And to also take a powder form of Vitamin C
until my bowels get loose and to take the other stuff that you all say
isn't recommended I think it was called Chloraphill or Chlorella or
something like that ( a popular chelator).



I recently ordered Andy's book and it should be in the mail this week, so I
plan to read it before I get the removal done. Is the proper protocol in
his book, because the one my doctor talks about doesn't seem to be what I
have read on these messages here.



Thanks

Mia





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how many rounds have you done? How many months into chelation are you?



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Alexis Miller
<alexis.atrekkie22@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All
>
> i have been doing well with 25mg DMSA x 4 hours up til about this
> weekend. i had a cold last weekend so didnt chelate. Then i had what i
> thought was a waxy ear problem which was treated that same weekend.
>
> This weekend i have managed 2 short rounds (couldnt wake up for the
> alarm due to blocked ears) and now im feeling rough. How do i know
> what is being caused by the very short chelation rounds and whats a
> supplement problem?
>
>

I had bad reaction to kelp 12 months ago (which=iodine does'nt it) and do not
seem to tolerate too well the wilson temp syndrome supps which are heavy doses
of iodine..soo

I am only guessing it is as someone mentioned a herxing effect from iodine or as
Joseph says I am one of those people that does not handle iodine well

Michael



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph" <joe525us@...> wrote:
>
> I can only take the RDA of Iodine and any more than that I get bad insomnia.
>
> Some people I know claim there is no widespread Iodine deficiency. I've heard
of people that were affected badly from high dose Iodine, that became so tired
they could hardly get out of bed.
>
> One option is to stop it altogether. You may not need it at all.
>

Thank you all for your thoughts. I will pursue some of your ideas.

sally




________________________________
From: Joseph <joe525us@...>
To: frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:36:27 PM
Subject: [frequent-dose-chelation] Re: Iodine and depression


I can only take the RDA of Iodine and any more than that I get bad insomnia.

Some people I know claim there is no widespread Iodine deficiency. I've heard of
people that were affected badly from high dose Iodine, that became so tired they
could hardly get out of bed.

One option is to stop it altogether. You may not need it at all.




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Yes the pains are in both arms but the left arm is worse, they don't hurt all
the time thank god. They hurt real bad when i raise them above my shoulders or
reach behind the back, to the point of the arm becoming immobile for a few
minutes until the pain goes once the arm is in a safe position again, The pain
is a sharp ripped muscle type pain and in my left arm it goes up to the top of
my head now.

Dudley



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "weighttrainer" <cbumgarner@...>
wrote:
>
> Dudley, are the pains in both arms?  Is it a burning pain and does it
>  hurt when you are not using your arms for anything?
> Thanks, Christie
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "dudley.smith89"
<dudley.smith89@> wrote:
> >
> > I still have the pains in my arms since chelating i have stopped chelating
for about 5weeks now and have had the pain for about 12weeks total its real
strange whats happened there. i was going to try a round of Dmsa but at the
moment am not confident to try.
> > I am waiting for a physio appt but the nhs take for ever.
> > I still think it was the chelators causing this as i never had any probs
before and i had been sick for 16mnths or so before i chelated
> > the chelators may had had a reaction to the cipro legacy. All i know is its
very demoralising not feeling confident to start again.
> > Dudley.
>