--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee"
<lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > So are you sayin it could be the two week breaks that is the problem?
> >  And I should only take 4 day breaks.
> >
> > I was actually considering chelating every other weekend.
> >
>
>
> I am saying that what worked for me was to chelate continuously with
> DMPS.  I still consider what I am doing to be a variation on Andy's
> protocol - I got the idea from him.  I think I might be the only
> person on this forum chelating continuously, so I probably am
> confusing people when I talk about it.
>
> In your case it might help to take 4 day breaks or it might help to
> lower the chelator dose.  If the dose is lower there won't be as much
> metals stirred up during chelation and the end of round symptoms won't
> be as severe.
>
> There also may be supplements/medications that may help.  To determine
> which ones might help a person really needs to review pages 133-167 of
> Amalgam Illness - not an easy job, I know.
>
> Linda J
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "scwflanders955"
> <scwflanders955@> wrote:
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > My symptoms were severe mental health problems.  I'm currently
> taking
> > > > a two week break from chelation that's why I don't understand
why I
> > > > had such a huge surge in symptoms.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems that while chelating with Andy's protocol (taking small
doses
> > > of chelators at the half life) the metals keep moving
constantly.  It
> > > is when chelation stops that the moving metals latch on to sites in
> > > the body where they weren't before (redistribution) starting up
> > > symptoms.  This has been my experience exactly.  I feel fine as long
> > > as I keep chelating.  Every single time I stop chelating I get huge
> > > symptoms, always the same ones so it is completely reprodicible.  I
> > > have found that some of the symptoms hit the day after I stop
and some
> > > (like pain) hit a week or so after I stop.  That's why I decided to
> > > chelate continuously for now.
> > >
> > > Linda J
> > >
> >
> > So are you sayin it could be the two week breaks that is the problem?
> >  And I should only take 4 day breaks.
> >
> > I was actually considering chelating every other weekend.
> >
>


I understand now.  I've gone all the way down to 12.5 mg of DMSA.  I
could possibly messure the dose much smaller than that.  I'm going to
try ala this weekend and see if I have a better reaction to it.

Skip the fluoride. Fluoride is a hazardous thing.
Always ask for the MCDS data sheet on any dental product they want to
use. It will give you the ingredients and risks of exposure. I do not
know of any cements that are "safe" per say. At least not if you want
the cap to actually stay on.
Are you caping a root canal?  Please read up on why root canals are
dangerous to your health. They emit seriously dangerous bacteria into
your body. This causes immune dysfunction and other diseases.

Anyone else?? Safer cements?

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "cncyana"
<cncyana@...> wrote:
>
> I am replacing a dental cap and need advise on what type of cement
to
> use.  My dentist is thinkiing of using 3m's Rely-X Plus with slow
> flouride release.  Is this any good?  Trying to remove all mercury
and
> not replace with other harmful substances.
>

It would be vapor in that bulb. But the glass will have residue of
Hg. Most of it was released into that room when it broke. A good
cleaning of the room is in order. The rugs have to go and either be
cleaned or replaced as TK said. Bag them before taking them out of
the room.
Your exposure would be minimal but watch for side effects. Your dh
had exposure as well. This counts as recent exposure so do not use
ala for three months. DMSA is fine.

My advice: rid your house of all fluorescent and energy saver bulbs.
Stick with the traditional bulb. It contains argon instead. And I
think that the few cents more per kilowatt is worth the safety.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "ladybugsandbees"
<ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:
>
> I have a double ring fluorescent bulb light fixture in my laundry
room.  One of the bulbs burned out.  So my DH went to the store and
bought a new one this morning.  However, he broke it trying to get
it into the fixture.  He pitched it into the trash under the sink
and I just found it.  As you may remember I have a HIGH sensitivity
to Hg and have reacted each time I am at the dentist.  I am
wondering is the Hg in a fluorescent bulb powder on the side or is
there vapor?  I can't seem to find info on the net other than they
are toxic.  *sigh*  It even says on the back of the box that the
product contains Hg.  Why the heck do they use this junk?  What
should I do in my laundry room.  There is no window in that room.  I
don't want to wash the rug either.  I don't know where all the
pieces went and I am sure my DH picked it up with his hands.  I put
the bulb and pieces in my garage so that it is no longer in the
house.  I just wonder what my exposure risk is.
>
> I have throw rugs in the bathroom with laminate floors.
>
> Stephanie B.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Alessa,
Check out the Mercury Autism message group. This will answer your
questions. Multiple ear infections can be related to vaccination as
a child. Children with Asberger's often show high metals on hair
testing, and mercury exposure is a cause for autism and
Asbergers..so in essence....very related.
Children who were vaccinated recieved a lot of mercury exposure as
well as viruses. Both of which contribute to developing chronic
infections and Aspbergers.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Alessa
<foralessa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Along the lines of mercury and antibiotics, I saw a program on PBS
> yesterday (see link below) and the doctor was saying they found
that
> taking antibiotics makes the body retain mercury.
> I had multiple ear infections as a child and have had
behavior "issues"
> in line with Asberger's Syndrome. I wonder if the two are related.
> Interesting stuff anyway...
>
> Here's the link.
>
> http://kvcr.org/kvcrdemoautism1.htm
>
> :^)
> Alessa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Are you referring to cleaning up mercury vapor or actual liquid
mercury drops?
I did post some on this on MA a long while ago when someone broke
one of those energy bulbs.
Vapor you have to close off the room and open all windows for 24-48
hours. No humans enter in that time.
Liquid mercury is somewhat different. You can sweep it up but you
must put the sweepings in a glass jar with a lid. Disposing of the
dustpan, broom, any rags, the gloves you are wearing etc. All goes
into an enclosed plastic bag...what doesn't fit in the jar anyway.
Then it must be taken to the hazdump in your area. Usually you have
to call them to make a disposal appointment. Then strip off all the
clothing and shoes you are wearing, wash them separate from anyone
else's stuff. Shower immediately. Do not vacuum liquid mercury or
any glass from a mercury vapor containing bulb. If you did you will
need to dispose of the vacuum cleaner. Sorry, this is what our own
government says about the clean up from these bulbs. Not sure if
this will help you at all.
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie"
<sage@...> wrote:
>
> Where can I buy sulfur to clean up mercury?  A fluorescent bulb
> shattered in my attic and I need to clean it up.
>
> I'm sure I can find this online, but it would be nice to find
> a local retailer that carries it, so I could get it quickly.
> Anyone know what type of store would carry this?
>
> Also, how much would I need?  If I buy a pound of pure sulfur,
> is that the right amount for cleanup of one long fluorescent light
> bulb?
>
> Any advice/suggestions appreciated.
>
> --Stephanie
>

I have talked to others on another chelation board who have high
levels of titanium in their hair and are sick from titanium due to
titanium implants. Either jaw bone or otherwise.
You can always leave the tooth empty as I have done for now. There
are metal free tooth partials, that kind of fit into the space and
are removable. They do not attache to or compromise the "virgin
teeth".
I would contact a biological dentist and find a safer option for
chewing. Many people have problems with the titanium screw not
adhering to the jaw bone. Also known as a cavitation.
I plan to get a fake tooth for mine. My bio dentists makes then and
they have plastic that looks like gum to hold them in. They are
removable.
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Yarek Sz."
<yareksz@...> wrote:
>
> HI
>
> I have a question for post chelation.  I had to have an
extractions because the tooth had a huge metal crown, cavitation and
fracture.  The dentist recommends Titanium and claims for it to be
inert.  I wonder if anyone here had similar problem.  Once you
removed the amalgams and chelated the mercury out, what do you do if
you hade an extraction?  One option is a bridge but I have
two 'virgin' teeth on both sides of the extraction so would like to
keep them as they are.  So the other option is a titanium implant.
What I worry about though is that once the titanium grows into the
bone it's basically unremovable and I would hate to get some of that
metal into my system.  Is it safe though?
>
> Your thoughs are apprecited or a suggestion to a yaho forum that
deals with this subject.
>
> Thanks!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thank you Linda for your thoughts.  I am seeing my new naturopathic
doctor tomorrow for the second time.  She uses the Cutler protocols
and has consulted with him in the past.  I feel fortunate to find her.
  I definitely intend to talk with her about adrenal and thyroid
testing and support among other things.  I know already that I have
low blood pressure.  I hadn't connected that to my vertigo.  It is
worth considering.

As for the dentist, he is extremely careful.  He has been practicing
mercury free dentistry for 25 years and originally studied with
Huggins, but later with others.  I have oxygen, rubber dam with
caulking around each tooth, immediate air filtration, etc.  Amalgam is
removed in as big chunks as possible and as quickly as possible.  His
hands are as steady as any dentist I have every been to.  He suits up
like the guys on Andromeda Strain.  The other thing that impressed me
about this dentist was how clear his eyes are.  Also the office feels
extremely clean upon entering.  I never experienced that in a dental
office before.

I am feeling a little bit better as of yesterday afternoon.  It has
been one week since my last amalgam removal.  The dizziness has
subsided so I am at least functional.  I am feeling rather weak and
very low energy.  My last amalgam removal is on Nov. 16.  I will be
glad to get on the other side of that!

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee"
<lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "llamabb"
> <llamabb@> wrote:
> >
> > I have had 75% of my amalgams removed to this point.  I will get to
> > 100% in about 2.5 weeks if I can stay sane and well enough.
> >
> > I have had increasing noise in my head with the second and third
> > amalgam removal sessions with the dentist.
>
>
>
> Because this problem is getting worse with each amalgam removal I am
> wondering if your dentist is using proper precautions or if maybe he
> is sort of using sloppy technique.  I would check this out as best you
> can.  Some mercury free dentists were poisoned themselves and can have
> difficulties with tremors, concentration and focus and so on.  It's
> best to stay away from the dentists who don't really believe mercury
> is all that toxic.
>
>
>
>
>   The dizziness I am
> > experiencing is getting to the point of intolerable.  I also am having
> > trouble expressing myself, typing, thinking, seeing clearly, etc.
>
>
>
> I have not had difficulty with buzzing in the head but I have had all
> the other symptoms.
>
> For dizziness, have you checked to see how low your blood pressure.
> If you could borrow a home BP monitor you could check the value at
> various times and see if it corresponds with dizziness.  One thing to
> check is bp laying down and then on standing.  If it drops it is
> something to talk to your doctor about.
>
> The other things that I think would be worth considering are adrenals
> - with the 4x per day saliva test, thyroid - with at least free T3 and
> free T4, TSH, and thyroid antibodies, and an EEG.
>
> There have been many times when I have had to stop driving for a
> period of time.  My adrenal and thyroid problems seem to be a factor,
> and also some sort of problem with brain electrical activity.
>
> Linda J

> -I began adrenal cortex extract three months ago, along with a
> glandular thyroid support product and have to say I am feeling
better
> than I ever have. I notice a difference within a day or two on the
> adrenal cortex. The thyroid support product took a few weeks. But
it
> is working. I am losing weight, have energy, sleep less,
depression is
> gone, many other things are improving. I am feeling less disabled
> these days!  I am looking into going back to work after being
disabled
> for 10 years. So yes, I can say it has made a huge difference. It
> really has helped me tolerate chelation better too. In the past
two
> months I have begun to work again at my home sales business and am
> looking into going back to work outside the house.
> I think treating these two things has made the biggest difference
for
> me. And it did not take long to see results.
>
-----------------------------------

   Thanks, Jan,  Yeah, I'm on day 4 of Cortef and this stuff does
work fast.  I'm better -  not great - but definitely better.  I'm
anxious to see what the thyroid stuff will do.  Can't believe I
suffered so long in the dark about all this hormone related stuff. I
read about it hear and there but had NO IDEA the suffering and
misery that adrenal/thyroid problems cause.  Yes, Andy mentions it
in one sentence but it should be emphasized OVER AND OVER.

   Val

That is a tough one. The only truly certain way is to remove the
crown and look.  X-rays can show if amalgam is present. The dentist
should know for sure though. Probably and maybe's are not going to
help her. Does the x-rays look clean...amalgam light up really
nicely on x-ray.
Crowns can also contain nickel posts, which not only cause cancer
but are not good for chelation either. It might be worth looking
into replacing it with a newer safer crown, and then she would know
for sure if amalgam were present, and that the crown was safer for
chelation. Bear in mind many people do chelate with metal crowns in,
and seem ok. From a chemically veiw, no metal in the mouth is best
for chelation. But not always possible.
Is this a root canaled tooth we are talking about??
These teeth are actually dead, and cause many problems for the
immune system and the health of the person owning the root canaled
tooth. They emit terrible bacteria. If this were the case she may
wish to consider pulling the tooth. And later getting a nice metal
free replacement. This solves the amalgam, crown and immune assault
all in one. Tell her to check out a book called "It's all in your
head" by Hal Huggins. Not for the chelation information in it, but
just for the safe dentistry information. Or www.iaomt.org

She can begin dmsa as early as three days post amalgam removal. ALA
needs to be three months. But if her kids are on Cutler, then she
likley knows this. Make sure she is on proper supplements prior to
chelation.
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "mmc2315"
<m.chelap@...> wrote:
>
> A dear friend of mine just had the last of her amalgams removed
today.  She wants to
> begin chelation soon.  She has been chelating her two children
with Andy's protocol.
>
> The DDS who removed her remaining amalgams was also the DDS who
put in her crowns
>

-I began adrenal cortex extract three months ago, along with a
glandular thyroid support product and have to say I am feeling better
than I ever have. I notice a difference within a day or two on the
adrenal cortex. The thyroid support product took a few weeks. But it
is working. I am losing weight, have energy, sleep less, depression is
gone, many other things are improving. I am feeling less disabled
these days!  I am looking into going back to work after being disabled
for 10 years. So yes, I can say it has made a huge difference. It
really has helped me tolerate chelation better too. In the past two
months I have begun to work again at my home sales business and am
looking into going back to work outside the house.
I think treating these two things has made the biggest difference for
me. And it did not take long to see results.


-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "seashell_555"
<seashell_555@...> wrote:
>
>
>   I am currently looking into disability sad to say.  I am hoping to
> start cortef soon and possibly thyroid treatment as well.
>
>   I have read some accounts of people seeing dramatic improvement
once
> these are treated.
>
>   Can anybody give me a timeframe on how long it took to feel better
> and would you classify better as strong enough to hold a job, live
> a "normal" life while chelating?
>
>   Thanks,
>    Val
>

-Some very toxic people like myself cannot tolerate ala right away.
DMSA cleans up all the other toxic metals to improve health and
eventually tolerate ala. I can tell you from hair testing my family,
if you have mercury, you are high in other metals. Things like lead,
aluminum, cadmium, arsenic etc are not effectively or quickly
removed by ala alone. And yes, dmsa eases the side effects and
redistribution. It can be use safely and carefully. Paying attention
to body side effects, proper supplementation etc. It can lower white
cells but this can be reversed. There are supplements such as
Neutrophil Plus you can take as well as other immune support
products. You can use ala alone if you are not toxic in tons of
other metals and it does not make you sick. It made me VERY sick on
it's own and even with dmsa. This is not the case for everyone. You
can try ala, if you feel sick or get headaches, fogginess and feel
ill, then you may need many round of dmsa first.
dmsa is still safer than dmps for chelation. And that blood
condition is rare and does not affect everyone. Your white cells can
be monitored by doing a CBC every three months while chelating. If
they get low, you stop chelating until they return to normal.
I have used dmsa on myself and my 3 year old, and 11 year old.
Without negative event. Good luck.

-- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "corvulusthemighty"
<corvulusthemighty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> While reading Andrew Cutler's Yellow Book, I noted that he
mentions
> that you can just chelate with ALA alone.
>
>> I

yeast treatment is important when using dmsa.
You can get candida overgrowth when pulling metals, this includes on
your skin. You can try an over the counter lotrimin cream for your
feet, and then look into yeast treatment. There are scripts or natural
yeast fighters.
And I must say that EDTA is not recomended for mercury poisoning.
It might work great for other metals but not mercury.
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "corvulusthemighty"
<corvulusthemighty@...> wrote:
>
> hi everyone,
>
> I'm beginning to find that when I do the DMSA rounds, the skin on my
> scalp and the bottom of my feet begins to peel.
>
> Is there anything I can do about this?
>
> Steve
>

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lalucido" <LLucido@...>
wrote:
>

>    Titanium is not bio-compatable for me.  Testing showed I should not
> have it in my mouth although I have also heard that most people do not
> have a problem with it. I would urge you to consider testing, if you
> have not already done so, to see what dental materials are compatable
> for you.

__________________

Even if you test as bio-compatible for titanium, your body can sensitize
to it once you have a continuous exposure such as an implant. Titanium
is one of the least reactive metals, which is why they use it in all
types of implants.  Still, that isn't saying much, especially if your
bodies detoxification ability is compromised.  Many people don't
associate their health problems with their metal implants in the same
way they don't make the connection between mercury and health issues.
Because of this, I think a reaction to titanium is much more common than
reported.

Linda H.

Yes, this is actually good. Your immune system is beginning to work.
But be sure to support it with proper nutrition and supplements
during chelation. Chelation can tax the immune system as well, and
this allows for you to get sick more often.

Many mercury people don't ever get sick until they start to get
better from mercury.
--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Gikas"
<skg59@...> wrote:
>
> Is it possible to see immune reactivity changes after only 7
rounds of chelation.  I haven't had a cold or viral infection for 10
years due to derangement in immune system.  I just finally got sick
yesterday with a bad cold/virus after 10 years.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

From reading your post I would suggest probiotics. You are taking an
antibiotic which you need but it will kill the good biotics your gut
needs. Also, you need a lot of vitamin C post removal. It helps with
the side effects of your body dumping mercury. So you may need up to
6,000mg a day. 2000mg a day is not very much, so more is worth a try.

I can say I think most of us got sicker afterwards and had to begin
chelation and supplements to feel better. I am not sure what's in
your temporary crown, but it needs to be amalgam free before you can
begin dmsa.

I also began adrenal cortex extract. When the body starts dumping
mercury it really hits your adrenal function. This helped me
trememdously.
You can purchase dmsa in 25mg capsules from Vitamin Research
Products. DMSA will help. Just make sure to follow the supplements
needed during chelation. And probiotics and yeast control.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "martincholette"
<mcholette@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> For the past few years I've been suffering from depression,
anxiety,
> fatigue and decreasing memory.  I also had 23 mercury amalgam
fillings.
>
> I had my fillings completely removed by a Huggins trained dentist 3
> weeks ago.
>
>

Ok, here is a mystery to me. Since amalgam removal in May I have had
problems with occassional patches of peeling skin, sometimes under my
arms. It comes and goes. I use all natural deodorant. Here's where I
get the problem...this is new.
The past three days or so, I have had burning under the arms, redness,
some peeling. I am on yeast treatment, adrenal support, thyroid
support and my last round was over two weeks ago. The deodorant I have
been using for months now, suddenly I can't use. And shaving really
aggravates it. I am wondering if the one or two times I used a regular
deodorant last week could have set this off?

Before removal I had not problems with any deodorants, no underarm
skin issues.

Anyone have anything odd like that before?

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "llamabb"
<llamabb@...> wrote:
>
> I have had 75% of my amalgams removed to this point.  I will get to
> 100% in about 2.5 weeks if I can stay sane and well enough.
>
> I have had increasing noise in my head with the second and third
> amalgam removal sessions with the dentist.



Because this problem is getting worse with each amalgam removal I am
wondering if your dentist is using proper precautions or if maybe he
is sort of using sloppy technique.  I would check this out as best you
can.  Some mercury free dentists were poisoned themselves and can have
difficulties with tremors, concentration and focus and so on.  It's
best to stay away from the dentists who don't really believe mercury
is all that toxic.




   The dizziness I am
> experiencing is getting to the point of intolerable.  I also am having
> trouble expressing myself, typing, thinking, seeing clearly, etc.



I have not had difficulty with buzzing in the head but I have had all
the other symptoms.

For dizziness, have you checked to see how low your blood pressure.
If you could borrow a home BP monitor you could check the value at
various times and see if it corresponds with dizziness.  One thing to
check is bp laying down and then on standing.  If it drops it is
something to talk to your doctor about.

The other things that I think would be worth considering are adrenals
- with the 4x per day saliva test, thyroid - with at least free T3 and
free T4, TSH, and thyroid antibodies, and an EEG.

There have been many times when I have had to stop driving for a
period of time.  My adrenal and thyroid problems seem to be a factor,
and also some sort of problem with brain electrical activity.

Linda J





   I
> am down to eating just meat, fat, and non-sulphur veges.  I tried
> quinoa yesterday with no apparent problem.  Having candida (seems
> under control now), I am afraid to eat anything.  But now I really
> believe that the food (other than the suplhur foods and of course
> sugars) is really not to blame for any of these symptoms. I drink only
> water. I am taking a lot of supplements.  I tried Alkaseltzer gold.
> It did not help these problems.  I am now to the point I do not feel I
> should be driving.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions for some relief from the buzzing
> and dizziness in particular.
>

We buy our elemental sulphur at the farm/feed store by 25 pound sack.
  We have a farm and use it to "smoke" gophers out of the fields.  I
have thought since learning about the use of sulphur for clean up of
mercury that I am already prepared in case one of these fluorescent
tubes breaks around here.


--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie" <sage@...>
wrote:
>
> Where can I buy sulfur to clean up mercury?  A fluorescent bulb
> shattered in my attic and I need to clean it up.
>
> I'm sure I can find this online, but it would be nice to find
> a local retailer that carries it, so I could get it quickly.
> Anyone know what type of store would carry this?
>
> Also, how much would I need?  If I buy a pound of pure sulfur,
> is that the right amount for cleanup of one long fluorescent light
> bulb?
>
> Any advice/suggestions appreciated.
>
> --Stephanie
>

> >
> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie"
> > <sage@> wrote:
>
> Meat is not a problem - I've forgotten why - I think the sulfur
> it contains is not in the form of thiols.  Hopefully someone will
> correct me if I am wrong.
>

-------
Is there a listing of sulfur foods that is more complete than the
list in the AI book? How about seeds (sesame, sunflower)?  Are they
high sulfur like nuts are?  Sorry if this is a question a little
research could find the answer to.

>
> The problem with urine tests for metals is that excretion is
> so variable.  I'm not sure how useful this is.  If any lead
> showed up, that would indicate you had some of it in you, but
> if no lead showed up, that doesn't mean you don't have it.

-----------
One precautionary measure I am takeing for the medium-high lead
reading is to cut down on Cod Liver Oil from 3 Tablespoons a day to
1 teaspoon.  Somewhere the AI book says that Vit D makes lead more
absorbable.

>
> The cheapeast and easiest way to get a saliva test that I know of
> is through www.canaryclub.org.   You don't need a doctor to get it
> and it tests other hormones as well.

------------------
I just checked out the www.canaryclub.org site.  They have hormone
profile tests I,II, & III from ZRT lab, which deal with adrenal
function.  Is the hormone profile III the best one to get for
adrenals?  There was also Daignos-Tech. Inc. lab.  Is either the ZRT
lab or Diagnos-Tech Inc. preferable?

Thanks
Linda H.

I am replacing a dental cap and need advise on what type of cement to
use.  My dentist is thinkiing of using 3m's Rely-X Plus with slow
flouride release.  Is this any good?  Trying to remove all mercury and
not replace with other harmful substances.

--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lindajaytee"
<lindajaytee@...> wrote:
>
> I decided it wasn't worth the hassle and just stopped eating gluten
> (it was difficult at first because I was addicted, became easier
after
> a couple of weeks).  For me, gluten removal resolved my balance and
> irritable bowel problems.

------------------
I haven't had time to respond to topic threads as they are posted,
but have been mulling them around and finally have a chance to write.

I'm now on a gluten free, casein free, sulfur free, sugar free diet
and am considering going all the way to a food free diet.  It would
make the decision making process easier (Let's see, should I eat
rice or rice or rice for breakfast?)  I am only joking, but you
understand that this does get challenging.

On a serious note, gluten is very likely a problem for me and I was
thankful to be reminded that one must ultimately listen to ones body
and take test results (even those considered most reliable) as only
one piece of possibly fallible information.  The mal-absorption
caused by gluten damaged intestinal walls could partially account
for the geneally low measures on my hair analysis.

I think I will go the same route of dietary experimentaion as you
did, LindaJ. I am generally leery of invasive tests.  (Yes, we have
a diagnosis.  Unfortunately, the patient is dead.)  Let me describe
my reaction to blood drawing, since people on this board have
recommended some very appropriate tests, which would require it. I
am curious if anyone else has had similar reactions since it is
metal toxicity related.

Soon after falling ill 15 years ago, I had a normal blood panel
drawn.  About 5 minutes afterwards I was too weak to stand.  I got
severe heart pain and the needles and pins sensation throughout my
arms and legs.  It felt like I had to keep moving them or the
circulation would stop.  Over the next month, the symptoms gradually
subsided and I regained enough strength to get out of bed.  It took
a full 3 months before I was back to my usual level of minimal
health.

Years later at an MCS conference, I asked a panel of doctors if they
knew why this would happen.  Dr. Ray (sp?) who runs the
Environmental Health Clinic in Dallas said about 1% of his patients
react to the titanium in needles.  When drawing blood from them, he
uses a common venous catheter, which is made of Teflon rather than
metal.

My doctor said that stainless steel needles do not have titanium so
perhaps I was reacting to a different metal.  We used the venous
catheter to run a few blood tests (including the test for celiac)
and the reactions were a much reduced version of the original.  They
were tolerable but not pleasant.  There is still metal exposure,
even using a catheter.  One has to insert a metal needle quickly
before inserting the catheter over it and withdrawing the original
needle.


Dietary experimentation, saliva tests, and other noninvasive
diagnostic tools are best suited for me.  In my simplistic thinking,
I hope chelation will resolve many of the issues and save me the
trouble of having to figure out the exact biochemical mess toxic
metal/pesticide exposures have made.  I assure you, it is a mess.

Linda H

I would not personally consider an implant either.  You may find
opinions on the topic in Hal Huggins books or in chelation group archives.

Linda J



--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "lalucido"
<LLucido@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a question for post chelation.  I had to have an extractions
> because the tooth had a huge metal crown, cavitation and fracture.  The
> dentist recommends Titanium and claims for it to be inert.  I wonder if
> anyone here had similar problem.
>
>    Titanium is not bio-compatable for me.  Testing showed I should not
> have it in my mouth although I have also heard that most people do not
> have a problem with it. I would urge you to consider testing, if you
> have not already done so, to see what dental materials are compatable
> for you.
>
>    I also would not personally consider an implant but am not an expert
> that issue and defer to others in the group on that one.
> >
> >
>

IMPORTANT NOTE - it is NEVER appropriate to use DMSA or any other
chelation agent until ALL amalgam has been safely removed.

Linda J




--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "bionic_chef"
<shay2384@...> wrote:
>
> --- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "llamabb"
> <llamabb@> wrote:
> >
> > I have had 75% of my amalgams removed to this point.  I will get to
> > 100% in about 2.5 weeks if I can stay sane and well enough.
> >
> > I have had increasing noise in my head with the second and third
> > amalgam removal sessions with the dentist.  The dizziness I am
> > experiencing is getting to the point of intolerable.  I also am
> having
> > trouble expressing myself, typing, thinking, seeing clearly, etc.
> I
> > am down to eating just meat, fat, and non-sulphur veges.  I tried
> > quinoa yesterday with no apparent problem.  Having candida (seems
> > under control now), I am afraid to eat anything.  But now I really
> > believe that the food (other than the suplhur foods and of course
> > sugars) is really not to blame for any of these symptoms. I drink
> only
> > water. I am taking a lot of supplements.  I tried Alkaseltzer
> gold.
> > It did not help these problems.  I am now to the point I do not
> feel I
> > should be driving.
> >
> > I would appreciate any suggestions for some relief from the buzzing
> > and dizziness in particular.
> >
> I have also had vision problems from hg, to the point where it
> effected my driving.
>
> Since you still have amalgams in, and assuming that these symptoms
> are hg related, taking chelation agents might pull out hg from the
> remaining fillings.  I would be very tempted to try it, though, if I
> were in your shoes. Dmsa has stopped redistribution symptoms before
> for me, and might help here.  The negative would be that it may pull
> more hg out of your remaining fillings, and make you have more
> problems.  So this is a risk, but might be worth it.
>
> Sauna would help you sweat out a lot of the hg without side effects,
> other than those inherent with a sauna. This would be a safer bet.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Shay
>

> Could this be mercury coming through my skin?



I think it is more likely that the symptoms that you were experiencing
were from metals redistributing to the brain and organs.




> How would you separate (1) 100 mg DMSA capsule into 12.8mg doses???
>



What I do is use a ruler to draw lines 1 cm apart on a piece of
parchment paper.  9 lines, 8 spaces to divide in 8 equal parts.  I
spread the powder evenly across the lines and use a sharp knife to
place the powder from between two lines into a capsule.  Then I fill
the capsules with ascorbic acid powder.  My kids won't let me do this
when their friends are over.

It may be easier to buy DMSA in 25 mg capsules and then just divide
the powder by eye into two equal parts.  There are sources for small
quantities of DMSA in the links or files sections here.

Andy Cutler has had numerous reports of adverse reactions from IR
saunas.  I don't recall the details.  Bob Morgan is a sauna expert who
sometimes posts in autism mercury and in this group.  If you are
interested you could search autism mercury archives using onibasu.com
with keywords such as - andrewhallcutler sauna Bob Morgan

Linda J




--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, J JENSEN
<JENSEN2665@...> wrote:
>
> The Ion Cleanse is a foot bath that pulls toxins/metals etc.. from
the body. I'm not too sure of the science behind the cleanse, and I'm
not sure of how efficient it is. I've only used it a few times, with a
health practicioner. I found it interesting that the water changed
colour, so something must've changed in the water. I did feel some
symptoms similar to the severe symptoms after the DMPS injections,
just much milder. For archive purposes, after both DMPS and
glutathione injections, I experienced bad reactions such as:
> - high fever
> - swelling and noticable welts on the face
> - pain in my face.. ( the only way to describe it)
> - chills
> - headache
> - fatigue
>
> with each separate injection, it would take about a week for me to
recover. With each detox method, I tend to experience the same
symptoms over and over again.
>
> Could this be mercury coming through my skin?
> How would you separate (1) 100 mg DMSA capsule into 12.8mg doses???
>
> I do have a portable infrared sauna that my husband made using Dr.
Lawrence Wilson's steps on how to build one. At first I found it
difficult to produce a sweat in the sauna, but after a few times, the
sweat came easier. It wasn't until a certain amount of time spent IN
the sauna, (approx. 1/2 hour) before the symptoms start to occur,
though not necessarily instantly. The symptoms usually begin with a
facial tingling/swelling sensation.
>
> Thanks alot for your help!
>
>

>
> So are you sayin it could be the two week breaks that is the problem?
>  And I should only take 4 day breaks.
>
> I was actually considering chelating every other weekend.
>


I am saying that what worked for me was to chelate continuously with
DMPS.  I still consider what I am doing to be a variation on Andy's
protocol - I got the idea from him.  I think I might be the only
person on this forum chelating continuously, so I probably am
confusing people when I talk about it.

In your case it might help to take 4 day breaks or it might help to
lower the chelator dose.  If the dose is lower there won't be as much
metals stirred up during chelation and the end of round symptoms won't
be as severe.

There also may be supplements/medications that may help.  To determine
which ones might help a person really needs to review pages 133-167 of
Amalgam Illness - not an easy job, I know.

Linda J






--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "scwflanders955"
<scwflanders955@...> wrote:
>

> > >
> > > My symptoms were severe mental health problems.  I'm currently
taking
> > > a two week break from chelation that's why I don't understand why I
> > > had such a huge surge in symptoms.
> > >
> >
> >
> > It seems that while chelating with Andy's protocol (taking small doses
> > of chelators at the half life) the metals keep moving constantly.  It
> > is when chelation stops that the moving metals latch on to sites in
> > the body where they weren't before (redistribution) starting up
> > symptoms.  This has been my experience exactly.  I feel fine as long
> > as I keep chelating.  Every single time I stop chelating I get huge
> > symptoms, always the same ones so it is completely reprodicible.  I
> > have found that some of the symptoms hit the day after I stop and some
> > (like pain) hit a week or so after I stop.  That's why I decided to
> > chelate continuously for now.
> >
> > Linda J
> >
>
> So are you sayin it could be the two week breaks that is the problem?
>  And I should only take 4 day breaks.
>
> I was actually considering chelating every other weekend.
>

I haven't used this product.  This is what I can see from the
ingredient list -
Someone with high copper would want to avoid it because of the copper.
Someone with high plasma cysteine might have trouble with it because
of the N-Acetylcysteine, L-Glutathione, L-Cysteine.
The quantity of potassium may be too much for some people especially
with long term use.

Linda




--- In frequent-dose-chelation@yahoogroups.com, "foralessa"
<foralessa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> This (Ultra Clear) was recommended to me. I was wondering if
anyone's had any
> experience with it or opinions on it:
> http://organicpharmacy.org/products/UltraClear/SKU:ULTRAC21-meta
> Thanks!
> -Alessa
>

>
> I have a question for post chelation.  I had to have an extractions
because the tooth had a huge metal crown, cavitation and fracture.  The
dentist recommends Titanium and claims for it to be inert.  I wonder if
anyone here had similar problem.

    Titanium is not bio-compatable for me.  Testing showed I should not
have it in my mouth although I have also heard that most people do not
have a problem with it. I would urge you to consider testing, if you
have not already done so, to see what dental materials are compatable
for you.

    I also would not personally consider an implant but am not an expert
that issue and defer to others in the group on that one.
>
>

I think it is probably very unusual, but I reacted to titanium. the
dentist removed my amalgams and me seizure-lime attacks stopped
almost on the spot. When he put the titanium in, they returned just
like that, but subsided again as soon as he removed them.  As he was
trying out a new lab, his guess was that the crowns were not made of
surgically pure titanium.

~Inga



On Oct 31, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Yarek Sz. wrote:

> HI
>
> I have a question for post chelation. I had to have an extractions
> because the tooth had a huge metal crown, cavitation and fracture.
> The dentist recommends Titanium and claims for it to be inert. I
> wonder if anyone here had similar problem. Once you removed the
> amalgams and chelated the mercury out, what do you do if you hade
> an extraction? One option is a bridge but I have two 'virgin' teeth
> on both sides of the extraction so would like to keep them as they
> are. So the other option is a titanium implant. What I worry about
> though is that once the titanium grows into the bone it's basically
> unremovable and I would hate to get some of that metal into my
> system. Is it safe though?
>
> Your thoughs are apprecited or a suggestion to a yaho forum that
> deals with this subject.
>
> Thanks!
>
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>
>
>



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>Sorry to break the trend, but I have a low Ca/P and I have never
>been able to raise my ALA dose. I've been using 8 mg for a year
>now.

Dean: No problem. Trends usually only become visible after years...I'm a little
impatient and never mind being wrong :-)


> The nice things about ratio's is that they are applicable even in deranged
mineral transport.
Does Andy say this in the book?...I'd  feel better if he stated this explicitly,
so if you see it in the
HTI book, please let me know.

Dean: Yes, it is on page 114: "The major advantage of the relationships
discussed here (ratio's) is that they appear to be valid indicators regardless
of whether mineral transport is deranged or normal. Thus the hair test with
deranged mineral transport may contain much valuable information even if the
detailed levels of the various minerals are of little utility".

Of course, as I've mentioned before, Andy seems to focus on the
extremes, i.e. results that are out of range, and does not really
draw conclusions from variation within the range. So maybe it
is only in the more extreme situations that he considers these
valid (with mineral derangement).

Dean: I see. I hope that in time he is able to guide us towards looking at less
extreme situations also.

Dr. Wilson talks about ratios of the electrolyte minerals all
through the book. I suggest you look up his book on amazon.com
where you can check out the table of contents, the index and the
first few pages. You'll see the book is organized around various
health issues and the ratios come up in the context of each issue.

Dean: As soon as possible I intend to get his book.

Thanks Stephanie.

--Stephanie





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Where can I buy sulfur to clean up mercury?  A fluorescent bulb
shattered in my attic and I need to clean it up.

I'm sure I can find this online, but it would be nice to find
a local retailer that carries it, so I could get it quickly.
Anyone know what type of store would carry this?

Also, how much would I need?  If I buy a pound of pure sulfur,
is that the right amount for cleanup of one long fluorescent light
bulb?

Any advice/suggestions appreciated.

--Stephanie