The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference within

the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby invalidating

hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and every one of

these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather doubt that

this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that related to

the quinolone class were moved recently.



Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating

all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.



I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?



capt' dave

It's absolutely mind boggling that the very institution that was put in place to

protect us from bad drugs (FDA) has turned against us and is now one of our

worst enemies. In the mean time, they go to great lengths to protect the

financial interests of all the drug companies.



Has anyone yet found out what happened to the old Fluoroquinolone forum on Yahoo

that had over 2,000 members and just vanished into thin air one day?  That seems

very bizarre and damaging to our cause.

Anyone have a clue as to where it went?



garytby







--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating

all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

FDA is every bit a shame as the SEC.



Hal



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating

all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

Makes me long for the days when I didn't know what was going on, so that I could

believe that degree of greed and corruption in the US is something they only put

in the movies. It's amazing how far it goes and how many are involved. I keep

praying that God doesn't forsake us as a country.

Leslea









________________________________

From: davidtfull <Fqresearch@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:30:29 PM

Subject: [fqtoxicity] the FDA is at it again.











The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference within

the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby invalidating

hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change each and every one of

these references to reflect these new locations manually. I rather doubt that

this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that related to

the quinolone class were moved recently.



Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating all

of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.



I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on recently for all

of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?



capt' dave















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Leslea those are my thoughts and prayers exactly!









________________________________

From: Leslea Bates <lableslea@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:43:03 AM

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] the FDA is at it again.











Makes me long for the days when I didn't know what was going on, so that I could

believe that degree of greed and corruption in the US is something they only put

in the movies. It's amazing how far it goes and how many are involved. I keep

praying that God doesn't forsake us as a country.

Leslea



____________ _________ _________ __

From: davidtfull <Fqresearch@aol. com>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:30:29 PM

Subject: [fqtoxicity] the FDA is at it again.



The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference within

the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby invalidating

hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change each and every one of

these references to reflect these new locations manually. I rather doubt that

this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that related to

the quinolone class were moved recently.



Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating all

of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.



I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on recently for all

of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?



capt' dave



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Me toooo!!  Ignorance is BLISS.... and I want to be blissful again.....



unfortunately, we "know too much".



~Shells~





--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Leslea Bates <lableslea@...> wrote:

>

> Makes me long for the days when I didn't know what was going on, so

that I could believe that degree of greed and corruption in the US is

something they only put in the movies. It's amazing how far it goes and

how many are involved. I keep praying that God doesn't forsake us as a

country.

> Leslea

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: davidtfull Fqresearch@...

> To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:30:29 PM

> Subject: [fqtoxicity] the FDA is at it again.

>

>

>

>

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a

reference within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA

site. Thereby invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back

and change each and every one of these references to reflect these new

locations manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on

their part as only the articles that related to the quinolone class were

moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to

the ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them

and invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes

reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but

I am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has

disappeared from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now

this recent action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update

thier site with anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they

are archiving anything that has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes we do, that sounds ominous "we know too much", like we should be looking

over our shoulders, like in a mission impossible or james bond flick. Sally

saying to the FDA. "Be afraid, be very afraid" cracked me up.

Leslea









________________________________

From: ~ Shells ~ <toxic_pinx@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:43:56 PM

Subject: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.













Me toooo!! Ignorance is BLISS.... and I want to be blissful again.....



unfortunately, we "know too much".



~Shells~



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, Leslea Bates <lableslea@. ..> wrote:

>

> Makes me long for the days when I didn't know what was going on, so

that I could believe that degree of greed and corruption in the US is

something they only put in the movies. It's amazing how far it goes and

how many are involved. I keep praying that God doesn't forsake us as a

country.

> Leslea

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: davidtfull Fqresearch@. ..

> To: fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:30:29 PM

> Subject: [fqtoxicity] the FDA is at it again.

>

>

>

>

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a

reference within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA

site. Thereby invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back

and change each and every one of these references to reflect these new

locations manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on

their part as only the articles that related to the quinolone class were

moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to

the ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them

and invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes

reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but

I am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has

disappeared from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now

this recent action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update

thier site with anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they

are archiving anything that has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Makes you wonder what's really at stake, doesn't it?



Heidi





--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating

all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

MONEY !!!





--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "Heidi" <alces54@...> wrote:

>

> Makes you wonder what's really at stake, doesn't it?

>

> Heidi

>

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@> wrote:

> >

> > The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

> >

> > Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

> >

> > I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

> >

> > capt' dave

> >

>

Yeah, for sure - but I'm thinking there's more than the usual

self-aggrandizement involved in covering up the evidence of fq adverse

reactions.  I'm thinking the FDA would really prefer no one is able to connect

the dots because the true story on these damn drugs is known, has been known for

a long time, and there's real criminal culpability involved in keeping them in

circulation.  Or, less tinfoily, that there's been FAR MORE DAMAGE done among

the likes of our soldiers in Desert Storm (yes, I'm suggesting that Gulf War

Syndrome may be the result of prophylactic doses of cipro) and with the postal

workers who took cipro after 9/11, and that if THAT gets bruited about, the cat

will escape the bag and lead to another colossal lawsuit, with the federal

government as one of the unindicted co-conspirators (because no one can sue the

bastids).  People will start adding up their inexplicable ailments and voila! 

Bigger trouble than asbestos.



Or I'm just spouting a bunch of hoo-ha.  It wouldn't be the first time.



Heidi



  --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "garytby" <thebigyeast@...> wrote:

>

> MONEY !!!

>

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "Heidi" <alces54@> wrote:

> >

> > Makes you wonder what's really at stake, doesn't it?

> >

> > Heidi

> >

> >

> > --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

> > >

> > > Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

> > >

> > > I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

> > >

> > > capt' dave

> > >

> >

>

I ate some of my kids chick fil a waffle fries (dextrose (corn) , and fried in

Soybean oil) and am feeling awful. We have a hectic out of town weekend coming

up and my anxiety is through the roof. I thought I was going to die in my sleep

last night.

Anxiety and food sensitivity issues are the only remaining reminder of this

horrible floxing (23 months out).



Pray I can sleep tonight and this goes away tomorrow :(



Michelle





















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The soy caused pain should be gone by tomorrow.



Hal



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Matt & Michelle Jenkins & kids

<mjenkinsfamily@...> wrote:

>

> I ate some of my kids chick fil a waffle fries (dextrose (corn) , and fried in

Soybean oil) and am feeling awful. We have a hectic out of town weekend coming

up and my anxiety is through the roof. I thought I was going to die in my sleep

last night.

> Anxiety and food sensitivity issues are the only remaining reminder of this

horrible floxing (23 months out).

>

> Pray I can sleep tonight and this goes away tomorrow :(

>

> Michelle

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Sounds feasible to me. Leslea









________________________________

From: Heidi <alces54@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 9:12:33 PM

Subject: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.











Yeah, for sure - but I'm thinking there's more than the usual

self-aggrandizement involved in covering up the evidence of fq adverse

reactions. I'm thinking the FDA would really prefer no one is able to connect

the dots because the true story on these damn drugs is known, has been known for

a long time, and there's real criminal culpability involved in keeping them in

circulation. Or, less tinfoily, that there's been FAR MORE DAMAGE done among the

likes of our soldiers in Desert Storm (yes, I'm suggesting that Gulf War

Syndrome may be the result of prophylactic doses of cipro) and with the postal

workers who took cipro after 9/11, and that if THAT gets bruited about, the cat

will escape the bag and lead to another colossal lawsuit, with the federal

government as one of the unindicted co-conspirators (because no one can sue the

bastids). People will start adding up their inexplicable ailments and voila!

Bigger trouble than asbestos.



Or I'm just spouting a bunch of hoo-ha. It wouldn't be the first time.



Heidi



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "garytby" <thebigyeast@ ...> wrote:

>

> MONEY !!!

>

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "Heidi" <alces54@> wrote:

> >

> > Makes you wonder what's really at stake, doesn't it?

> >

> > Heidi

> >

> >

> > --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually. I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

> > >

> > > Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

> > >

> > > I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on recently for all

of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

> > >

> > > capt' dave

> > >

> >

>















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Dave - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important links

"alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of

references - all I can say is thank you.  (and I'd love to add some swear words

about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering them to

myself as I type.)



Sue



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have to go back and change each and

every one of these references to reflect these new locations manually.  I rather

doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as only the articles that

related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again.  They cannot delete

these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the ongoing

litigation.  But nothing would prevent them from moving them and invalidating

all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I am

seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on recently for

all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has disappeared from the

Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent action by the FDA

who for the most part has failed to update thier site with anything relevant for

years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything that has to do with the

quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>

Beginning to seem quite obvious now, isn't it??



~Shells~



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:



I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

am

seriously reconsidering that view now.





>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a

reference within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA

site. Thereby invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back

and change each and every one of these references to reflect these new

locations manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on

their part as only the articles that related to the quinolone class were

moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to

the ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them

and invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes

reference to them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but

I am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has

disappeared from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now

this recent action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update

thier site with anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they

are archiving anything that has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  Yup. I'm very leery of conspiracy theories as well but the evidence seems to be

mounting up.

All I can say to the FDA is: Be afraid, be very afraid.

Sally















-----Original Message-----

From: ~ Shells ~ <toxic_pinx@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 10:38 pm

Subject: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.



































































Beginning to seem quite obvious now, isn't it??







~Shells~







--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...> wrote:







I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I



am



seriously reconsidering that view now.







>



> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a



reference within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA



site. Thereby invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back



and change each and every one of these references to reflect these new



locations manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on



their part as only the articles that related to the quinolone class were



moved recently.



>



> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot



delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to



the ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them



and invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes



reference to them.



>



> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but



I am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on



recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has



disappeared from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now



this recent action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update



thier site with anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they



are archiving anything that has to do with the quinolones?



>



> capt' dave



>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





















































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server.  I have  copies of

the originals.   So they are not lost to us even if the FDA  were to delete

them completely.  The problem is that the head honchos over  at wikipedia

frown upon me linking back to my site.  They seem to think  that it is a form

of self promotion.  So what I have to do now is check  each and every

reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then  update them to

these new addresses.  Which is going to be a royal pain in  .... but it can be

done.  It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many  things at once.  So I

have to fit that in when I can.



It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc.   Those

edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from my

point of view.  As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I

have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.  But if

  I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments.  When

  the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan.  So

I  end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.



Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually

when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.  But it is

worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are

linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites.  So the word is getting

out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this

are  fighting back tooth and nail.  But there is nobody that I am not

willing to  go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have written

them.   But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to

endure to  make this happen.  If that is what it takes then that is exactly

what I  will do.



Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the

moment it is I in the batter's box.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

newslists@... writes:



Hi Dave  - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of

references - all I can say is thank you.  (and I'd love to add some swear

words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering

  them to myself as I type.)



Sue



--- In  fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@...>  wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document  used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the  FDA site.  Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change

each and every one of these references to reflect these  new locations

manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine  housekeeping on their part as

only

the articles that related to the quinolone  class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in  damage control once again.  They cannot

delete these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links  found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

>

> I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on

recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has

disappeared

from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent

action  by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with

anything  relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything

that  has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt'  dave

>









------------------------------------



Yahoo!  Groups Links











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Thanks from the bottom of my heart - this site has been a godsend of hope and

support and info









________________________________

From: "Fqresearch@..." <Fqresearch@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:23:20 PM

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.











Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server. I have copies of

the originals. So they are not lost to us even if the FDA were to delete

them completely. The problem is that the head honchos over at wikipedia

frown upon me linking back to my site. They seem to think that it is a form

of self promotion. So what I have to do now is check each and every

reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then update them to

these new addresses. Which is going to be a royal pain in .... but it can be

done. It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many things at once. So I

have to fit that in when I can.



It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc. Those

edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from my

point of view. As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I

have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work. But if

I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments. When

the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan. So

I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.



Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually

when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia. But it is

worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are

linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites. So the word is getting

out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this

are fighting back tooth and nail. But there is nobody that I am not

willing to go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have written

them. But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to

endure to make this happen. If that is what it takes then that is exactly

what I will do.



Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the

moment it is I in the batter's box.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:



Hi Dave - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

links "alive". I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of

references - all I can say is thank you. (and I'd love to add some swear

words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering

them to myself as I type.)



Sue



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change

each and every one of these references to reflect these new locations

manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as

only

the articles that related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared

from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent

action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with

anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything

that has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>



------------ --------- --------- ------



Yahoo! Groups Links



************ **It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If I can help send me some work.  Not sure what it takes other than going

through the FDA site and matching the original doc to the same doc on a new link

and sending you the new url.



Hal



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Fqresearch@... wrote:

>

> Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server.  I have  copies of

> the originals.   So they are not lost to us even if the FDA  were to delete

> them completely.  The problem is that the head honchos over  at wikipedia

> frown upon me linking back to my site.  They seem to think  that it is a form

> of self promotion.  So what I have to do now is check  each and every

> reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then  update them to

> these new addresses.  Which is going to be a royal pain in  .... but it can be

> done.  It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many  things at once.  So I

> have to fit that in when I can.

>

> It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

> articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc.  

Those

> edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

> editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from

my

> point of view.  As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I

> have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.  But if

>  I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments.  When

>  the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan.  So

> I  end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

>

> Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually

> when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.  But it is

> worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are

> linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites.  So the word is getting

> out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this

> are  fighting back tooth and nail.  But there is nobody that I am not

> willing to  go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have

written

> them.   But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to

> endure to  make this happen.  If that is what it takes then that is exactly

> what I  will do.

>

> Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the

> moment it is I in the batter's box.

>

> capt' dave

>

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> newslists@... writes:

>

> Hi Dave  - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

> links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds

of

> references - all I can say is thank you.  (and I'd love to add some swear

> words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering

>  them to myself as I type.)

>

> Sue

>

> --- In  fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@>  wrote:

> >

> > The FDA has changed the locations for every document  used as a reference

> within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the  FDA site.  Thereby

> invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change

> each and every one of these references to reflect these  new locations

> manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine  housekeeping on their part as

only

> the articles that related to the quinolone  class were moved recently.

> >

> > Looks like they are engaging in  damage control once again.  They cannot

> delete these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence due to the

> ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent them from moving them and

> invalidating all of the links  found on the Internet that makes reference to

> them.

> >

> > I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

> am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on

> recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has

disappeared

> from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent

> action  by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with

> anything  relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything

> that  has to do with the quinolones?

> >

> > capt'  dave

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo!  Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

> **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Thank you Dave!!!









________________________________

From: "Fqresearch@..." <Fqresearch@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:23:20 PM

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.











Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server. I have copies of

the originals. So they are not lost to us even if the FDA were to delete

them completely. The problem is that the head honchos over at wikipedia

frown upon me linking back to my site. They seem to think that it is a form

of self promotion. So what I have to do now is check each and every

reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then update them to

these new addresses. Which is going to be a royal pain in .... but it can be

done. It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many things at once. So I

have to fit that in when I can.



It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc. Those

edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from my

point of view. As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I

have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work. But if

I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments. When

the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan. So

I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.



Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually

when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia. But it is

worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are

linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites. So the word is getting

out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this

are fighting back tooth and nail. But there is nobody that I am not

willing to go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have written

them. But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to

endure to make this happen. If that is what it takes then that is exactly

what I will do.



Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the

moment it is I in the batter's box.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:



Hi Dave - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

links "alive". I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of

references - all I can say is thank you. (and I'd love to add some swear

words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering

them to myself as I type.)



Sue



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change

each and every one of these references to reflect these new locations

manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as

only

the articles that related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the

ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

>

> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared

from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent

action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with

anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything

that has to do with the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

>



------------ --------- --------- ------



Yahoo! Groups Links



************ **It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh that's a good one <<smile>>



And.... YOU??  Short-tempered??  Naaaaaaaah!!  Considering what you're

doing, you're a pussycat here on the Forum.....



Keep fighting the good fight Capt!!  GGRrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!



~Shells~





--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Fqresearch@... wrote:



   So I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.



Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is

usually

when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.





>

> Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server. I have copies

of

> the originals. So they are not lost to us even if the FDA were to

delete

> them completely. The problem is that the head honchos over at

wikipedia

> frown upon me linking back to my site. They seem to think that it is a

form

> of self promotion. So what I have to do now is check each and every

> reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then update

them to

> these new addresses. Which is going to be a royal pain in .... but it

can be

> done. It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many things at once.

So I

> have to fit that in when I can.

>

> It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

> articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism,

etc. Those

> edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

> editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see

things from my

> point of view. As such the articles are in a constant state of flux

and I

> have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.

But if

> I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments.

When

> the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan.

So

> I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

>

> Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is

usually

> when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia. But it is

> worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as

they are

> linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites. So the word is

getting

> out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened

by this

> are fighting back tooth and nail. But there is nobody that I am not

> willing to go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have

written

> them. But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have

to

> endure to make this happen. If that is what it takes then that is

exactly

> what I will do.

>

> Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for

the

> moment it is I in the batter's box.

>

> capt' dave

>

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> newslists@... writes:

>

> Hi Dave - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

> links "alive". I have no idea how long it will take you to update

hundreds of

> references - all I can say is thank you. (and I'd love to add some

swear

> words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue

muttering

> them to myself as I type.)

>

> Sue

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" Fqresearch@ wrote:

> >

> > The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a

reference

> within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site.

Thereby

> invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change

> each and every one of these references to reflect these new locations

> manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their

part as only

> the articles that related to the quinolone class were moved recently.

> >

> > Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They

cannot

> delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to

the

> ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them

and

> invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes

reference to

> them.

> >

> > I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs

but I

> am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on

> recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has

disappeared

> from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent

> action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier

site with

> anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving

anything

> that has to do with the quinolones?

> >

> > capt' dave

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

> **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place

> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hope this stays there for a while, I copied that text from your site in the

contraindications section a few weeks ago......



"The fluoroquinolone drugs are the most toxic and dangerous antibiotics in

clinical practice today."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinolone#Contraindications





--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Fqresearch@... <Fqresearch@...> wrote:



From: Fqresearch@... <Fqresearch@...>

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:23 AM



































       Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server.  I have  copies of



the originals.   So they are not lost to us even if the FDA  were to delete



them completely.  The problem is that the head honchos over  at wikipedia



frown upon me linking back to my site.  They seem to think  that it is a form



of self promotion.  So what I have to do now is check  each and every



reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then  update them to



these new addresses.  Which is going to be a royal pain in  .... but it can be



done.  It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many  things at once.  So I



have to fit that in when I can.







It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those



articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc.   Those



edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the



editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from my



point of view.  As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I



have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.  But if



  I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments.  When



  the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan.  So



I  end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.







Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually



when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.  But it is



worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are



linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites.  So the word is getting



out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this



are  fighting back tooth and nail.  But there is nobody that I am not



willing to  go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have written



them.   But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to



endure to  make this happen.  If that is what it takes then that is exactly



what I  will do.







Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the



moment it is I in the batter's box.







capt' dave











In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,



newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:







Hi Dave  - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important



links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of



references - all I can say is thank you.  (and I'd love to add some swear



words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering



  them to myself as I type.)







Sue







--- In  fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...>  wrote:



>



> The FDA has changed the locations for every document  used as a reference



within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the  FDA site.  Thereby



invalidating hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change



each and every one of these references to reflect these  new locations



manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine  housekeeping on their part as

only



the articles that related to the quinolone  class were moved recently.



>



> Looks like they are engaging in  damage control once again.  They cannot



delete these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence due to the



ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent them from moving them and



invalidating all of the links  found on the Internet that makes reference to



them.



>



> I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I



am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is going on



recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too much information has

disappeared



from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent



action  by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with



anything  relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything



that  has to do with the quinolones?



>



> capt'  dave



>







------------ --------- --------- ------







Yahoo!  Groups Links







************ **It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place



where pets rule! (http://www.pawnatio n.com/?ncid= emlcntnew0000000 8)







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]































































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I noticed you had done that.  Just waiting for some editor to  challenge

it.  And when they do I have the references to support it so I  rather doubt

it will be deleted without one helluva a fight from my end.   That is the

beauty of wikipedia.  Highest reference always wins such  challenges.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/2/2009 8:46:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

alxflxmx@... writes:



Hope  this stays there for a while, I copied that text from your site in

the  contraindications section a few weeks ago......



"The fluoroquinolone  drugs are the most toxic and dangerous antibiotics in

clinical practice  today."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinolone#Contraindications





---  On Fri, 7/3/09, Fqresearch@... <Fqresearch@...>  wrote:



From: Fqresearch@... <Fqresearch@...>

Subject:  Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.

To:  fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 3:23  AM



































Most, if not  all, of those documents are on my server.  I have  copies of



the originals.   So they are not lost to us even if the  FDA  were to

delete



them completely.  The problem is that  the head honchos over  at wikipedia



frown upon me linking back to  my site.  They seem to think  that it is a

form



of self  promotion.  So what I have to do now is check  each and every



reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then   update

them to



these new addresses.  Which is going to be a royal  pain in  .... but it

can be



done.  It will take weeks to do  as I am doing so many  things at once.  So

I



have to fit  that in when I can.







It is a constant hassle at wikipedia  as I have to monitor all of those



articles on a daily basis and  undo any changes that are vandalism, etc.

Those



edits that  are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the



editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see  things

from my



point of view.  As such the articles are in  a constant state of flux and I





have to work my butt off to stop  people from undoing all that work.  But

if



I can support my  position with citations then I win these arguments.  When



the  links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan.  So



I  end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking  chairs.







Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the  forum it is usually



when I am battling the medical community  over at wikipedia.  But it is



worth the effort as the  articles have the greatest impact possible as they

are



linked to  hundreds of thousands of medical sites.  So the word is getting





out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened  by

this



are  fighting back tooth and nail.  But there is  nobody that I am not



willing to  go toe to toe with to keep these  articles exactly as I have

written



them.   But at times I do  get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have

to



endure to  make  this happen.  If that is what it takes then that is

exactly



what  I  will do.







Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat  for you guys and gals, and for the



moment it is I in the  batter's box.







capt' dave











In a message  dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,



newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:







Hi Dave  -  Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important



links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to  update

hundreds of



references - all I can say is thank  you.  (and I'd love to add some swear



words about the FDA,  but won't write them here, I'll just continue

muttering



them to myself  as I type.)







Sue







--- In  fqtoxicity@yahoogro  ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...>

wrote:



>



> The FDA has changed the locations for every  document  used as a

reference



within the wikipedia articles that  was linked by to the  FDA site.

Thereby



invalidating  hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change



each and every one of these references to reflect these  new  locations



manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine   housekeeping on their

part as only



the articles that related to the  quinolone  class were moved recently.



>



> Looks like  they are engaging in  damage control once again.  They cannot





delete these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence  due to the



ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent  them from moving them and



invalidating all of the links  found on  the Internet that makes reference

to



them.



>



>  I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I





am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is  going on



recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too  much information has

disappeared



from the Internet, too many  sites have shut down, and now this recent



action  by the FDA who  for the most part has failed to update thier site

with



anything   relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving

anything



that  has to do with the quinolones?



>



>  capt'  dave



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Here is a progress report:



The September 1998 letter where a study was added that showed 22% of the

pediatric cystic fibrosis patients treated with ciprofloxacin experienced

musculoskeletal adverse reactions to ciprofloxacin, some of which persisted

for  a length greater than eight months, can no longer be found on the FDA

site.  Even though it existed three months ago.



The September 1997 letter which dealt with the addition of the CNS adverse

reaction warnings can no longer be found on the FDA site. Even though it

existed  three months ago.



The FDA Medical Bulletin issued October 1996 where the FDA gave notice to

practicing physicians within the United States regarding spontaneous tendon

ruptures and chronic tendonitis being associated with the fluoroquinolones

can  no longer be found on the FDA site. Even though it existed three months

  ago.



The NDA (New Drug Application) documents are no longer available on the FDA

  site. There is a regulatory gap between 1987 and 1994 as well as between

1994  and 1997, resulting in ten years worth of regulatory documentation

missing on  the FDA site concerning the regulatory history of ciprofloxacin

alone.



As such just about anything that took place prior to 1998 appears to have

been deleted.  There are only two documents to be found between 1987 and

1997.  Funny that the FDA had stated in any number of letters to me that

Cipro was first approved in 1996, even though this is not true.  Cipro was

first approved on October 22, 1987.  But this is what the FDA stated to me  back

in 2004:



... Since approving the first Class of Fluoroquinolones in 1996 for

treatment of acute maxillary sinusitis, acute bacterial exacerbations, of 

chronic

bronchitis, community-acquired pneumonia, uncomplicated skin and skin

structure infections, complicated urinary tract infections and acute

pyelonephritis, there have been several labeling supplements added as well as 

adding

new indications since the original approval in 1996...



So what happened to all of these labeling supplements that the FDA is

referring to in 2004?  Poofff.  Gone.  So basically the FDA has  deleted the

majority of the regulatory history between 1987 to 1998.  There  is one entry

dated 7-21-1994, and the next entry is not found until 9-26-1997  even though

seven changes had taken place during this time period including a  label

revision and the original NDA documents are no where to be found.



It is not until 1998 that we see consistent listings of the changes that

had occurred.  And this is for Cipro only.  I have yet to research the  rest

of the quinolone drugs.  But no doubt this had taken place with them  as

well since all of those links are now broken too.



Maybe this is just routine housekeeping on the FDAs part, but I am deeply

concerned that so many documents that portray these drugs in a bad light

have  suddenly gone missing from the FDA site.  Especially when you consider

they  are all the ones linked to on wikipedia articles.  Now I have to wonder

how  many broken links I have on the research site as a result of this.

What a  frigging nightmare this is turning out to be.

Years of work down the tubes in seconds.



capt' dave







In a message dated 7/2/2009 9:23:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

cj.jacks@... writes:



Thanks  from the bottom of my heart - this site has been a godsend of hope

and support  and info









________________________________

From:  "Fqresearch@..." <Fqresearch@...>

To:  fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:23:20  PM

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it  again.











Most, if not all, of those documents are on my  server. I have copies of

the originals. So they are not lost to us even if  the FDA were to delete

them completely. The problem is that the head  honchos over at wikipedia

frown upon me linking back to my site. They seem  to think that it is a

form

of self promotion. So what I have to do now is  check each and every

reference in those articles that link to the FDA site  and then update them

to

these new addresses. Which is going to be a royal  pain in .... but it can

be

done. It will take weeks to do as I am doing so  many things at once. So I

have to fit that in when I can.



It is a  constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

articles on  a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc.

Those

edits  that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the

editor  making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things

from my

point of view. As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I

have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work. But if

I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments. When

the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan. So

I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking  chairs.



Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it  is usually

when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia. But  it is

worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible  as they

are

linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites. So the word  is getting

out to those that matter, and of course those who are now  threatened by

this

are fighting back tooth and nail. But there is nobody  that I am not

willing to go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly  as I have

written

them. But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all  the hits I have to

endure to make this happen. If that is what it takes  then that is exactly

what I will do.



Somebody, somewhere has to go  to bat for you guys and gals, and for the

moment it is I in the batter's  box.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,

newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:



Hi Dave -  Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important

links "alive".  I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds

of

references  - all I can say is thank you. (and I'd love to add some swear

words about  the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue

muttering

them to  myself as I type.)



Sue



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com,  "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...> wrote:

>

> The FDA has  changed the locations for every document used as a reference

within the  wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby

invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change

each and every one of these references to reflect these new locations

manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part

as only

the articles that related to the quinolone class were moved  recently.

>

> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once  again. They cannot

delete these articles as that would be destruction of  evidence due to the

ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them  from moving them and

invalidating all of the links found on the Internet  that makes reference

to

them.

>

> I've never been one for  conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I

am seriously reconsidering  that view now. Far too much is going on

recently for all of this to be  coincidence. Too much information has

disappeared

from the Internet, too  many sites have shut down, and now this recent

action by the FDA who for  the most part has failed to update thier site

with

anything relevant for  years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving

anything

that has to do with  the quinolones?

>

> capt' dave

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I wish it was that easy Hal.  What you have to is go through the  reference

list for the article (200+ references) and click on each one that has  a

link.  If the link is broken you have to track it down and find the new  URL.

That is the easy part.  But replacing it is not a cut and paste  job, it is

a BITCH to do.  Wikipedia uses inline references, so it would  look

something like this when you go to make that kind of  change:





Ciprofloxacin is a [[broad-spectrum antibiotic]] that is  active against

both

[[Gram-positive]] and [[Gram-negative]] bacteria.   It functions by

inhibiting [[DNA gyrase]], a type II [[topoisomerase]], and  topoisomerase

iv<ref>{{cite journal |author=Drlica K, Zhao X |title=DNA  gyrase, topoisomerase

IV,

and the 4-quinolones |journal=Microbiol Mol Biol Rev.  |volume=61 |issue=3

|pages=377–92 |year=1997 |month=Sep |pmid=9293187  |pmc=232616

|url=http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=9293187  |day=01}}</ref>,

which is

an enzyme necessary to separate replicated DNA,  thereby inhibiting cell

division.

The fluoroquinolones interfere with DNA  replication by inhibiting an

enzyme complex called DNA gyrase. This can also  affect mammalian cell

replication. In particular, some congeners of this drug  family display high

activity

not only against bacterial topoisomerases, but also  against eukaryotic

topoisomerases and are toxic to cultured mammalian cells and  in vivo tumor

models. Although the quinolone is highly toxic to mammalian cells  in culture,

its mechanism of cytotoxic action is not known. Quinolone induced  DNA damage

was first reported in 1986 (Hussy et al.)<ref>Hussy P, Maass G,  Tümmler B,

Grosse F, Schomburg U (June 1986). "Effect of 4-quinolones and  novobiocin

on calf thymus DNA polymerase alpha primase complex, topoisomerases I  and

II, and growth of mammalian lymphoblasts". Antimicrob. Agents Chemother. 29

(6): 1073–8. PMID 3015015. PMC: 180502.

_http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/1073.pdf.</ref_

(http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/1073.pdf.</ref) >.



And you then have to find the bad reference within this text and then

replace it.  One space or letter out of order and you are screwed.   The

references are keyed in using <ref> the reference </ref>  commands.  Nowhere

near

as easy as it looks.  But the offer is  certainly appreciated.  Here is an

example of what I am talking about, in  the code I write to create the article

a link looks like  this:



<ref>{{cite journal |author=Drlica K, Zhao X |title=DNA  gyrase,

topoisomerase IV, and the 4-quinolones |journal=Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 

|volume=61

|issue=3 |pages=377–92 |year=1997 |month=Sep |pmid=9293187  |pmc=232616

|url=http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=9293187  |day=01}}</ref>



Where as in the reference list this is what YOU  see:



Drlica K, Zhao X (01 Sep 1997). "DNA gyrase, topoisomerase IV, and  the

4-quinolones". Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 61 (3): 377–92. PMID 9293187. PMC:

232616.



So just finding the URL doesn't get it.  You still have to format it  and

place it within the document where it belongs.



capt' dave



In a message dated 7/2/2009 11:45:53 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,

reallynolie@... writes:

If I can help send me some  work.  Not sure what it takes other than going

through the FDA site and  matching the original doc to the same doc on a new

link and sending you the new  url.



Hal



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Fqresearch@...  wrote:

>

> Most, if not all, of those documents are on my  server.  I have  copies

of

> the originals.   So they  are not lost to us even if the FDA  were to

delete

> them  completely.  The problem is that the head honchos over  at

wikipedia

> frown upon me linking back to my site.  They seem to think   that it is a

form

> of self promotion.  So what I have to do now is  check  each and every

> reference in those articles that link to the  FDA site and then  update

them to

> these new addresses.  Which  is going to be a royal pain in  .... but it

can be

> done.  It  will take weeks to do as I am doing so many  things at once.

So I

> have to fit that in when I can.

>

> It is a  constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

>  articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism,  etc.

   Those

> edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I  have to discuss with the

> editor making such changes and see if I  can convince them to see things

from my

> point of view.  As  such the articles are in a constant state of flux and

I

> have to  work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.  But

if

>  I can support my position with citations then I win these  arguments.

When

>  the links to my references disappear then  you know what hits the fan.

So

> I  end up like a one legged  cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

>

> Most of the time  when I am short tempered here on the forum it is

usually

> when I  am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.  But it is

> worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as

they are

> linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites.   So the word is

getting

> out to those that matter, and of course  those who are now threatened by

this

> are  fighting back tooth and  nail.  But there is nobody that I am not

> willing to  go toe  to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have

written

>  them.   But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I

have to

> endure to  make this happen.  If that is what it  takes then that is

exactly

> what I  will do.

>

> Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for  the

> moment it is I in the batter's box.

>

>  capt' dave

>

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2009  4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> newslists@... writes:

>

> Hi Dave  - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these  important

> links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will  take you to update

hundreds of

> references - all I can say is  thank you.  (and I'd love to add some

swear

> words about the  FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue

muttering

>  them  to myself as I type.)

>

> Sue

>

> --- In   fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@>   wrote:

> >

> > The FDA has changed the locations for every  document  used as a

reference

> within the wikipedia articles that  was linked by to the  FDA site.

Thereby

> invalidating  hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change

>  each and every one of these references to reflect these  new locations

> manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine  housekeeping  on their

part as only

> the articles that related to the quinolone   class were moved recently.

> >

> > Looks like they are  engaging in  damage control once again.  They

cannot

> delete  these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence due to

the

> ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent them from  moving them

and

> invalidating all of the links  found on the  Internet that makes

reference to

> them.

> >

> >  I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but

I

> am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is  going on

> recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too  much information has

disappeared

> from the Internet, too many  sites have shut down, and now this recent

> action  by the FDA who  for the most part has failed to update thier site

with

> anything   relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving

anything

> that  has to do with the quinolones?

> >

> >  capt'  dave

> >

>

>

>

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Wow.



Hal



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Fqresearch@... wrote:

>

> I wish it was that easy Hal.  What you have to is go through the  reference

> list for the article (200+ references) and click on each one that has  a

> link.  If the link is broken you have to track it down and find the new  URL.

> That is the easy part.  But replacing it is not a cut and paste  job, it is

> a BITCH to do.  Wikipedia uses inline references, so it would  look

> something like this when you go to make that kind of  change:

>

>

> Ciprofloxacin is a [[broad-spectrum antibiotic]] that is  active against

> both

> [[Gram-positive]] and [[Gram-negative]] bacteria.   It functions by

> inhibiting [[DNA gyrase]], a type II [[topoisomerase]], and  topoisomerase

> iv<ref>{{cite journal |author=Drlica K, Zhao X |title=DNA  gyrase,

topoisomerase IV,

> and the 4-quinolones |journal=Microbiol Mol Biol Rev.  |volume=61 |issue=3

> |pages=377â€"92 |year=1997 |month=Sep |pmid=9293187  |pmc=232616

> |url=http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=9293187 

|day=01}}</ref>, which is

> an enzyme necessary to separate replicated DNA,  thereby inhibiting cell

> division.

> The fluoroquinolones interfere with DNA  replication by inhibiting an

> enzyme complex called DNA gyrase. This can also  affect mammalian cell

> replication. In particular, some congeners of this drug  family display high

activity

> not only against bacterial topoisomerases, but also  against eukaryotic

> topoisomerases and are toxic to cultured mammalian cells and  in vivo tumor

> models. Although the quinolone is highly toxic to mammalian cells  in culture,

> its mechanism of cytotoxic action is not known. Quinolone induced  DNA damage

> was first reported in 1986 (Hussy et al.)<ref>Hussy P, Maass G,  Tümmler B,

> Grosse F, Schomburg U (June 1986). "Effect of 4-quinolones and  novobiocin

> on calf thymus DNA polymerase alpha primase complex, topoisomerases I  and

> II, and growth of mammalian lymphoblasts". Antimicrob. Agents Chemother. 29

> (6): 1073â€"8. PMID 3015015. PMC: 180502.

> _http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/1073.pdf.</ref_

(http://aac.asm.org/cgi/reprint/29/6/1073.pdf.</ref) >.

>

> And you then have to find the bad reference within this text and then

> replace it.  One space or letter out of order and you are screwed.   The

> references are keyed in using <ref> the reference </ref>  commands.  Nowhere

near

> as easy as it looks.  But the offer is  certainly appreciated.  Here is an

> example of what I am talking about, in  the code I write to create the article

> a link looks like  this:

>

> <ref>{{cite journal |author=Drlica K, Zhao X |title=DNA  gyrase,

> topoisomerase IV, and the 4-quinolones |journal=Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 

|volume=61

> |issue=3 |pages=377â€"92 |year=1997 |month=Sep |pmid=9293187  |pmc=232616

> |url=http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=9293187 

|day=01}}</ref>

>

> Where as in the reference list this is what YOU  see:

>

> Drlica K, Zhao X (01 Sep 1997). "DNA gyrase, topoisomerase IV, and  the

> 4-quinolones". Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 61 (3): 377â€"92. PMID 9293187. PMC:

> 232616.

>

> So just finding the URL doesn't get it.  You still have to format it  and

> place it within the document where it belongs.

>

> capt' dave

>

> In a message dated 7/2/2009 11:45:53 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,

> reallynolie@... writes:

> If I can help send me some  work.  Not sure what it takes other than going

> through the FDA site and  matching the original doc to the same doc on a new

> link and sending you the new  url.

>

> Hal

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, Fqresearch@  wrote:

> >

> > Most, if not all, of those documents are on my  server.  I have  copies

> of

> > the originals.   So they  are not lost to us even if the FDA  were to

> delete

> > them  completely.  The problem is that the head honchos over  at

> wikipedia

> > frown upon me linking back to my site.  They seem to think   that it is a

> form

> > of self promotion.  So what I have to do now is  check  each and every

> > reference in those articles that link to the  FDA site and then  update

> them to

> > these new addresses.  Which  is going to be a royal pain in  .... but it

> can be

> > done.  It  will take weeks to do as I am doing so many  things at once.

> So I

> > have to fit that in when I can.

> >

> > It is a  constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those

> >  articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism,  etc.

>   Those

> > edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I  have to discuss with the

> > editor making such changes and see if I  can convince them to see things

> from my

> > point of view.  As  such the articles are in a constant state of flux and

> I

> > have to  work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work.  But

> if

> >  I can support my position with citations then I win these  arguments.

> When

> >  the links to my references disappear then  you know what hits the fan.

> So

> > I  end up like a one legged  cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

> >

> > Most of the time  when I am short tempered here on the forum it is

> usually

> > when I  am battling the medical community over at wikipedia.  But it is

> > worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as

> they are

> > linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites.   So the word is

> getting

> > out to those that matter, and of course  those who are now threatened by

> this

> > are  fighting back tooth and  nail.  But there is nobody that I am not

> > willing to  go toe  to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have

> written

> >  them.   But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I

> have to

> > endure to  make this happen.  If that is what it  takes then that is

> exactly

> > what I  will do.

> >

> > Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for  the

> > moment it is I in the batter's box.

> >

> >  capt' dave

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 7/2/2009  4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > newslists@ writes:

> >

> > Hi Dave  - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these  important

> > links  "alive".  I have no idea how long it will  take you to update

> hundreds of

> > references - all I can say is  thank you.  (and I'd love to add some

> swear

> > words about the  FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue

> muttering

> >  them  to myself as I type.)

> >

> > Sue

> >

> > --- In   fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@>   wrote:

> > >

> > > The FDA has changed the locations for every  document  used as a

> reference

> > within the wikipedia articles that  was linked by to the  FDA site.

> Thereby

> > invalidating  hundreds of references.  I now have  to go back and change

> >  each and every one of these references to reflect these  new locations

> > manually.  I rather doubt that this was routine  housekeeping  on their

> part as only

> > the articles that related to the quinolone   class were moved recently.

> > >

> > > Looks like they are  engaging in  damage control once again.  They

> cannot

> > delete  these articles as that  would be destruction of evidence due to

> the

> > ongoing litigation.  But  nothing would prevent them from  moving them

> and

> > invalidating all of the links  found on the  Internet that makes

> reference to

> > them.

> > >

> > >  I've  never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but

> I

> > am  seriously reconsidering that view now.  Far too much is  going on

> > recently  for all of this to be coincidence.  Too  much information has

> disappeared

> > from the Internet, too many  sites have shut down, and now this recent

> > action  by the FDA who  for the most part has failed to update thier site

> with

> > anything   relevant for years.  Now all of a sudden they are archiving

> anything

> > that  has to do with the quinolones?

> > >

> > >  capt'  dave

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Cap't Dave: I am so sorry!

And Leslea, God never does, in my opinion, this life is a test and

the short time we are in it provides so many lessons, both good, and

both bad. It makes us stronger people and we are never ever alone, ever.



Jane, CA



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The greatest truths are told in jest Heidi.



capt' dave





In a message dated 7/3/2009 7:13:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

lableslea@... writes:



Sounds  feasible to me.  Leslea









________________________________

From: Heidi  <alces54@...>

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday,  July 2, 2009 9:12:33 PM

Subject: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it  again.











Yeah, for sure - but I'm thinking there's more  than the usual

self-aggrandizement involved in covering up the evidence of fq  adverse

reactions. I'm

thinking the FDA would really prefer no one is able to  connect the dots

because the true story on these damn drugs is known, has been  known for a long

time, and there's real criminal culpability involved in  keeping them in

circulation. Or, less tinfoily, that there's been FAR MORE  DAMAGE done among

the likes of our soldiers in Desert Storm (yes, I'm  suggesting that Gulf War

Syndrome may be the result of prophylactic doses of  cipro) and with the

postal workers who took cipro after 9/11, and that if THAT  gets bruited

about, the cat will escape the bag and lead to another colossal  lawsuit, with

the federal government as one of the unindicted co-conspirators  (because no

one can sue the bastids). People will start adding up their  inexplicable

ailments and voila! Bigger trouble than asbestos.



Or I'm  just spouting a bunch of hoo-ha. It wouldn't be the first  time.



Heidi



--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "garytby"  <thebigyeast@ ...> wrote:

>

> MONEY !!!

>

>

> --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "Heidi" <alces54@>  wrote:

> >

> > Makes you wonder what's really at stake,  doesn't it?

> >

> > Heidi

> >

> >

> > --- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@  > wrote:

> > >

> > > The FDA has changed the  locations for every document used as a

reference within the wikipedia articles  that was linked by to the FDA site.

Thereby invalidating hundreds of  references. I now have to go back and change

each and every one of these  references to reflect these new locations

manually. I rather doubt that this  was routine housekeeping on their part as

only

the articles that related to  the quinolone class were moved recently.

> > >

> > >  Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They

cannot delete  these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to

the ongoing  litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and

invalidating  all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to

them.

>  > >

> > > I've never been one for conspiracy theories  regarding these drugs

but I am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too  much is going on

recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much  information has

disappeared from the Internet, too many sites have shut down,  and now this

recent

action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to  update thier site with

anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they  are archiving anything

that has to do with the quinolones?

> > >

> > > capt' dave

> > >

>  >

>















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How do you know for sure that the FDA has changed links?

Hackers work for any number of companies.







--- On Fri, 7/3/09, Carol Jacks <cj.jacks@...> wrote:



From: Carol Jacks <cj.jacks@...>

Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.

To: fqtoxicity@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:18 AM



































       Thanks from the bottom of my heart - this site has been a godsend of hope

and support and info







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From: "Fqresearch@aol. com" <Fqresearch@aol. com>



To: fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com



Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 10:23:20 PM



Subject: Re: [fqtoxicity] Re: the FDA is at it again.







Most, if not all, of those documents are on my server. I have copies of



the originals. So they are not lost to us even if the FDA were to delete



them completely. The problem is that the head honchos over at wikipedia



frown upon me linking back to my site. They seem to think that it is a form



of self promotion. So what I have to do now is check each and every



reference in those articles that link to the FDA site and then update them to



these new addresses. Which is going to be a royal pain in .... but it can be



done. It will take weeks to do as I am doing so many things at once. So I



have to fit that in when I can.







It is a constant hassle at wikipedia as I have to monitor all of those



articles on a daily basis and undo any changes that are vandalism, etc. Those



edits that are legit, but I disagree with, I have to discuss with the



editor making such changes and see if I can convince them to see things from my



point of view. As such the articles are in a constant state of flux and I



have to work my butt off to stop people from undoing all that work. But if



I can support my position with citations then I win these arguments. When



the links to my references disappear then you know what hits the fan. So



I end up like a one legged cat in a room full of rocking chairs.







Most of the time when I am short tempered here on the forum it is usually



when I am battling the medical community over at wikipedia. But it is



worth the effort as the articles have the greatest impact possible as they are



linked to hundreds of thousands of medical sites. So the word is getting



out to those that matter, and of course those who are now threatened by this



are fighting back tooth and nail. But there is nobody that I am not



willing to go toe to toe with to keep these articles exactly as I have written



them. But at times I do get a bit punch drunk from all the hits I have to



endure to make this happen. If that is what it takes then that is exactly



what I will do.







Somebody, somewhere has to go to bat for you guys and gals, and for the



moment it is I in the batter's box.







capt' dave







In a message dated 7/2/2009 4:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,



newslists@suddenlin k.net writes:







Hi Dave - Thanks for your time and efforts in keeping these important



links "alive". I have no idea how long it will take you to update hundreds of



references - all I can say is thank you. (and I'd love to add some swear



words about the FDA, but won't write them here, I'll just continue muttering



them to myself as I type.)







Sue







--- In fqtoxicity@yahoogro ups.com, "davidtfull" <Fqresearch@ ...> wrote:



>



> The FDA has changed the locations for every document used as a reference



within the wikipedia articles that was linked by to the FDA site. Thereby



invalidating hundreds of references. I now have to go back and change



each and every one of these references to reflect these new locations



manually. I rather doubt that this was routine housekeeping on their part as

only



the articles that related to the quinolone class were moved recently.



>



> Looks like they are engaging in damage control once again. They cannot



delete these articles as that would be destruction of evidence due to the



ongoing litigation. But nothing would prevent them from moving them and



invalidating all of the links found on the Internet that makes reference to



them.



>



> I've never been one for conspiracy theories regarding these drugs but I



am seriously reconsidering that view now. Far too much is going on



recently for all of this to be coincidence. Too much information has disappeared



from the Internet, too many sites have shut down, and now this recent



action by the FDA who for the most part has failed to update thier site with



anything relevant for years. Now all of a sudden they are archiving anything



that has to do with the quinolones?



>



> capt' dave



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