Phillip's OT was just here and recommended fruit leather for him to
use for chewing practice.  She recommended getting it at Trader Joe's
or Whole Foods.

-Mary


--- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Chris & Corrie Shanahan"
<cshanny@l...> wrote:
> Laura-
>
> My daughter Hope, 3 y/o also has issues with not knowing how to
chew, up and down but not rotary. There are only a few things the OT
has had us do to help her chew. Have you tried "chewy tubes"? They are
a t-shaped therapy rubber thing that they are supposed to use to
"practice." We haven't had much luck with it. I don't think she gets
it because it isn't "food." Which I don't blame her for.....that
wouldn't make sense to me either. We also are trying slim jims. Of
course it is a choking hazzard, so you have to watch them very
carefully with it. It is frusterating to not know how to help your
child. If nothing else I can tell you I can relate to the struggles
you are going through with Jacob. Hope also doesn't have a diagnosis.
I continue to research in my "spare-time." If I find anything I think
would help, I will certainly share. Good luck.
>
> Corrie
>
>
> Message: 11
>    Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 01:43:26 -0000
>    From: "jaymz3372" <jaymz3372@y...>
> Subject: chewing
>
>
> My DS is 19 months old and his primary source of calories is formula
> and benecalorie.  He likes to eat solid foods but he doesn't chew it
> correctly.  He does receive OT, PT & ST services and the OT does
> work on feeding.  However, we don't know what to do to help him chew
> better.  He seems to mash stuff with his tongue and has an up & down
> chew but not a rotary chew.  I dont' know what to do to help him
> learn how to chew his food.  Is there anything I can do to help him?
> Thank you!
> Laura
> Proud Mom to Jacob
> 19 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD
> (and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet  (tenatomy
> 11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, pulmonary & aortic stenosis, PFO, left
> kidney:  hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney:  low
> functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected
> 9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays,
> undiagnosed syndrome...

-----Original Message-----
From: Dana Vadino [mailto:dvadino@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:51 PM
To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [feeding] chewing

Check with your OT or ST about using this mesh (very fine porous material
with a specific name somewhat like cheese paper, whatever that is...so I am
told).  You put the food in there warm or cold and basically only the taste
comes out and they can feel the texture and food in their mouth while you
put it between their molars or wherever they are supposed to be chewing.
You hold it while they bite down and supposedly they make progress as they
are getting the practice while the fear factor of choking, aspirating, etc
is removed.  Safe chewing.  I couldn't find the stuff but supposedly it can
be found at Walmart or any fabric store.  The name to be sounded like
Oragami or somethign like that, but I could be way off as I never needed to
do it after the therapist showed me once.  I was also suggested by a
different therapist to dump food in the sides of the mouth (like dumping
purees off a spoon into the left or right pocket of the mouth ) so that the
child increases or learns to lateralize the food.  My daughter just kept her
food in the middle and eventually spit it out forward or gagged on it if it
went backwards.  This seemed to help.  I was also suggested to use beef
jerky or somethign that wouldn't break off for the kids to gnaw on for
practice and get their salivation going or something.  She also suggested
big pretzel rods wtih fruit rollups wrapped around them to gnaw on...but our
always broke or she played with them and hit them and they broke.  We found
that some fruit roll ups contain a lot of dyes as my other kids ate them
when she didn't like them and that therapy idea didn't work for us...their
poop ended up bright green or blue or whatever after that! Made diaper
changing exciting for a day or so.  Hope that helps.  I would check with a
therapist and if they seem clueless, maybe check with a new one.  I have
found some to just observe and learn from our kids to get their experience
and others to be way experienced in this stuff.  I just keeping switching
therapists in my early intervention program to get one that knows more.

Dana
----- Original Message -----
From: "jaymz3372" <jaymz3372@...>
To: <feeding@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [feeding] chewing


>
>
> My DS is 19 months old and his primary source of calories is formula
> and benecalorie.  He likes to eat solid foods but he doesn't chew it
> correctly.  He does receive OT, PT & ST services and the OT does
> work on feeding.  However, we don't know what to do to help him chew
> better.  He seems to mash stuff with his tongue and has an up & down
> chew but not a rotary chew.  I dont' know what to do to help him
> learn how to chew his food.  Is there anything I can do to help him?
> Thank you!
> Laura
> Proud Mom to Jacob
> 19 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD
> (and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet  (tenatomy
> 11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, pulmonary & aortic stenosis, PFO, left
> kidney:  hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney:  low
> functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected
> 9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays,
> undiagnosed syndrome...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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My DS is 19 months old and his primary source of calories is formula
and benecalorie.  He likes to eat solid foods but he doesn't chew it
correctly.  He does receive OT, PT & ST services and the OT does
work on feeding.  However, we don't know what to do to help him chew
better.  He seems to mash stuff with his tongue and has an up & down
chew but not a rotary chew.  I dont' know what to do to help him
learn how to chew his food.  Is there anything I can do to help him?
Thank you!
Laura
Proud Mom to Jacob
19 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD
(and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet  (tenatomy
11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, pulmonary & aortic stenosis, PFO, left
kidney:  hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney:  low
functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected
9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays,
undiagnosed syndrome...





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--- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, Lana <preemies_make_an_impact@y...> wrote:
> Wow Nicole -- you just post some generic information . and you get
your throat ripped out! I knew that my child was different.. but it
was cool to see how many calories kody might need :o)

Wow...I apologize if I came across negatively!  I surely didn't mean
it that way!!!! : )  It is helpful to have a chart like this one.  I
guess after 5 months of seeing my baby at the under 3rd percentile for
weight, struggling with BPD, cerebral palsy, and aspiration
issues...trying to "force" food whenever possible just to get him to
take "enough" calories, and trying to figure out what the heck
"enough" is...I guess I just thought there may be a couple of parents
who could be discouraged by the figures.  Sorry for the upset!

-Mary

Check with your OT or ST about using this mesh (very fine porous material
with a specific name somewhat like cheese paper, whatever that is...so I am
told).  You put the food in there warm or cold and basically only the taste
comes out and they can feel the texture and food in their mouth while you
put it between their molars or wherever they are supposed to be chewing.
You hold it while they bite down and supposedly they make progress as they
are getting the practice while the fear factor of choking, aspirating, etc
is removed.  Safe chewing.  I couldn't find the stuff but supposedly it can
be found at Walmart or any fabric store.  The name to be sounded like
Oragami or somethign like that, but I could be way off as I never needed to
do it after the therapist showed me once.  I was also suggested by a
different therapist to dump food in the sides of the mouth (like dumping
purees off a spoon into the left or right pocket of the mouth ) so that the
child increases or learns to lateralize the food.  My daughter just kept her
food in the middle and eventually spit it out forward or gagged on it if it
went backwards.  This seemed to help.  I was also suggested to use beef
jerky or somethign that wouldn't break off for the kids to gnaw on for
practice and get their salivation going or something.  She also suggested
big pretzel rods wtih fruit rollups wrapped around them to gnaw on...but our
always broke or she played with them and hit them and they broke.  We found
that some fruit roll ups contain a lot of dyes as my other kids ate them
when she didn't like them and that therapy idea didn't work for us...their
poop ended up bright green or blue or whatever after that! Made diaper
changing exciting for a day or so.  Hope that helps.  I would check with a
therapist and if they seem clueless, maybe check with a new one.  I have
found some to just observe and learn from our kids to get their experience
and others to be way experienced in this stuff.  I just keeping switching
therapists in my early intervention program to get one that knows more.

Dana
----- Original Message -----
From: "jaymz3372" <jaymz3372@...>
To: <feeding@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [feeding] chewing


>
>
> My DS is 19 months old and his primary source of calories is formula
> and benecalorie.  He likes to eat solid foods but he doesn't chew it
> correctly.  He does receive OT, PT & ST services and the OT does
> work on feeding.  However, we don't know what to do to help him chew
> better.  He seems to mash stuff with his tongue and has an up & down
> chew but not a rotary chew.  I dont' know what to do to help him
> learn how to chew his food.  Is there anything I can do to help him?
> Thank you!
> Laura
> Proud Mom to Jacob
> 19 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD
> (and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet  (tenatomy
> 11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, pulmonary & aortic stenosis, PFO, left
> kidney:  hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney:  low
> functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected
> 9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays,
> undiagnosed syndrome...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Wendy, I am not aware of anything like that, but I am sure you could write
it off at the end of the year as a medical expense...medical training,
especially if your ped or GI wrote it down on their letterhead or Rx pad.
You would also probably be able to write off the mileage and parking to the
conference.  I know my GI's nutritionist wrote down everything on a little
notepad with their letterhead/business logo on it (like a big Rx pad)
including hte date, her signature, and all the recommendations such has
whole milke with formula, vege oil/ olive oil, purees, carnation instant
breakfast or  pediasure. It is medically necessary and considered
over-the-counter drugs and the date on the "order" could be compared to the
child's birthdate in an audit and show that the child is way past the time
to continue taking this stuff age wise and therefore back up the MD's
suggestion to continue offering these OTC's for necessary weight gain, etc.
.  I was at my accountants office today and forgot to ask this stuff.  Now
that it is tax season, maybe someone could ask their accountant about this.
Dana


----- Original Message -----
From: "bearlex21" <wnwellborn@...>
To: <feeding@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:16 PM
Subject: [feeding] reimbursement for feeding conference


>
>
> Is anyone aware of any kind of reimbursment to parents for tube-
> feeding conferences? Do you have any ideas, or suggestions as to how
> I can get help w/the payment so I can attend a tube-feeding
> conference? The cost is $200.
>
> Thank You!
> Wendy (mama to 2 yr old Lexi, TA w/IAA, VCFS, 100% g-tube dependent)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Nicole Trout

To: feeding@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: [feeding] Lynn

Lynn,   Thanks for the offer... any questions that you feel that would be appropriate for asking of this drug being used on a 2 yr old (27mth's) for behavioral issues would be greatly appreciated and then you could just let me know any interesting or fact's about it. I would greatly appreciate it! I did do a lil research on it this morning and as I had thought it's used for psychiatric/behavioral issues and according to the info has been commonly used in children for more than 10 yr's.... however there wasn't an age range though so that wasn't very helpful. I guess I could give you the dosage amount and you could mention that along with age just to see what opinion they have to offer. It's a very small dosage... The pill is .25 mg once daily before bedtime... but only a 1/2 of pill... (not a whole one) and she's 27 mth's. Any info would be great..... I hate using any kind's of medicine's, I just don't want to keep my dd drugged if not necessary. Thanks, Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 12:54:21 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] Lynn   Hi Nicole, Just so you know, none of the psychiatric "behavioral" medications have been approved for children as no-one is doing the studies on children (there was just an article on this in a local magazine in brooklyn, NY). What this means is that no-one knows the dosages,  long or short term outcomes or possible side effects for children (apparently children metabolize drugs faster than adults). The company that makes risperidol is actually doing a clinical trial right now with children. Their rep is coming to do a talk with my staff tomorrow so I will ask her the status of this study and what ages they are studying. This is not to say that you should not consider it for Casey if she really needs it. The FDA allows MD's to prescribe any drug to anyone as long as they believe that it is necesary and will be effective. I would just make sure that you start with a very small dose and that Casey is closely monitored by the MD with frequent visits. Some MD's as we all know are b etter than others. In my work I have encountered both responsible and irresponsible ones. I'm sure that you will be on top of the sitiuation. Please let me know if you have any specific questions I could try to ask the risperidol rep for you. Lynn Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote: Risperdal... have you had experience with it before? I have somewhat with my nephew who I helped raise but I never really did much research on it. When I worked in nursing (nearly 4 yr's ago now) I only worked with the elderly so didn't see it much there either but I think it's more of a drug you see used with behavioral or ADHD kid's. I plan on researching it some today now that I have had a lil rest. Nicole    -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 07:45:29 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] i could scream!!!   Hi Nicole, What is the name of the "behavioral " medicine the neurologist will give Casey? Lynn Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote:  About a week ago I posted an update on my dd's compulsive violent ear pulling and that the pediatrician said he believed it was b/c her tonsils were swollen irritating her adenoids which was giving a pressure feeling in the ear and she would more than likely need a tonsilectomy. Well after nearly a month of no sleep, pulling ears, and screaming I cancelled her therapies today to take her to the ENT specialists b/c the med's the ped put her on have been useless to say the least. After a forever wait the doctor looked at her and decided to do some test. Here's the kicker (grr!!!) She said something totally opposite, she said that there is very minimal swelling which is common in children and that her ears looked great and the tests were all fine showing no signs of anything related to the ears, throat, tonsils, adenoids, etc.......  How frustrating!!! So as a last resort the only thing I could think of was maybe something going on brain wise that we don't see an d called her neurologists who wasn't far away from the ENT doc. I had to carry on and on to get in b/c it's almost impossible to see him at times but she finally called me back on my cell before leaving town (which is 2 hrs one way from our house) saying that she had a 3:45 cancellation so we ran around a bit then went over there. The doc checked her out, measured her head, asked lot's of question's, and I explained the degree of it and how long it's been going on as well as her sleeping as lil as 3-4 hrs in a 24 hour period at times b/c of it. After checking her out he said he believe's she is experiencing a compulsive obsessive behavioral issue b/c of her brain delay's and using it as a way to express herself and get out her frustration's since she is delayed. So... he want's to try her on a behavioral medicine before bedtime each night to see if it help's... I guess it can't hurt.  I pray this is the solution and it help's and I get my happy lil girl back. I asked him how sur e of this he was and he said he's almost certain but to be on the safe side he would order a MRI but since she's uncooperative she has to be fully sedated and we can't get in until the 15th. Then we see him on the 21rst for a follow up. Anyway's, that was our long and very frustrating day... oh yes, and that was all after not being to bed since 1:30 this morning when my dd decided to wake up screaming with a tantrum after only 2 hours of sleep. 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----- Original Message -----

From: Todd Dittman

To: feeding@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:18 PM

Subject: [feeding] Fw: CHOP information

Does anyone have information about a day treatment program and/or a contact person?  Please see below.  Thank you!

----- Original Message -----

From: Eriksen, Camille

To: Todd Dittman

Cc: Cianca, Kathleen

Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:31 PM

Subject: CHOP information

Wendy-

 

We are beginning to look at day treatment program models for Feeding Patients.  Kathleen Cianca mentioned that she thought you went to CHOP for a feeding evaluation with your daughter.  My understanding is that they have a day treatment program.  If you did go there, who did you work with?  I would like to contact their department to find out information from them.

 

Thanks-

 

Camie Eriksen, RN

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760-1600 (ext. 268)

 

 

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Is anyone aware of any kind of reimbursment to parents for tube-
feeding conferences? Do you have any ideas, or suggestions as to how
I can get help w/the payment so I can attend a tube-feeding
conference? The cost is $200.

Thank You!
Wendy (mama to 2 yr old Lexi, TA w/IAA, VCFS, 100% g-tube dependent)

Hi Nicole,

I think it's always helpful to have a baseline that is true for *most*
kids.  Like everything, you have to play around with it to make it
work best for your own child.  I'm printing off a copy of the chart
you sent just to have...

Thanks,
Mary

-- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> Mary,
>   This is probably true depending on the child. I used the chart b/c
it came
> from a friend of mine who has been a child nutritionist for around
10 yr's
> now and has a 3 yr old 24 wk'r of her own... so I figured who
better. I also
> have got a weight based figure from the ped which is very similar as
well,
> but you are right... every child is different so each parent just
has to use
> their better judgement when it comes to their child. I was just
giving her
> what she asked for........ *smile*
> Nicole
> (Casey 24wk'r, now2)
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 01/31/05 21:56:19
> To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart
>
>
> This is not meant to be critical, and I'm sure this chart is accurate
> for most "regular" kids!!!  Phillip's dietician said you also need to
> take into account the activity level of the child.  If, for some
> reason, your child is more or less active than other babies, his/her
> caloric needs will be different.  My son is an extreme case...very
> hypotonic, but his dietician found he gained the "right" amount of
> weight with about 650 calories (at 18.5 pounds).
>
> -Mary
>
>
>
> --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> > Ayni,
> >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere...
(lol)
> > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure
> it....
> >
> > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100
> > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have
> to get
> > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart
> that shows
> > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper
> nutrient
> > s based on their size.
> > 15 lbs= 681 cal
> > 16 lbs= 727 cal
> > 17 lbs= 772 cal
> > 18 lbs= 818 cal
> > 19 lbs= 863 cal
> > 20 lbs= 909 cal
> > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10
> lbs and
> > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does
> seem small
> >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free
> and I'll
> > try to help?!?!
> > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57
> > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight
> > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only
> > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her
> > length is 25 and 1/2.
> >
> > Ayni
> >
> >
> > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> > > Aya,
> > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight
> > issue or
> > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food,
> > protein,
> > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very
> > high in
> > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based
> > on her
> > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use
> > to figure
> > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me
> > who is a
> > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if
> > I can
> > > find it if your interested.
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53
> > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk

> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to
> > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and
> > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking
> > it.
> > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My
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My DS is 19 months old and his primary source of calories is formula
and benecalorie.  He likes to eat solid foods but he doesn't chew it
correctly.  He does receive OT, PT & ST services and the OT does
work on feeding.  However, we don't know what to do to help him chew
better.  He seems to mash stuff with his tongue and has an up & down
chew but not a rotary chew.  I dont' know what to do to help him
learn how to chew his food.  Is there anything I can do to help him?
Thank you!
Laura
Proud Mom to Jacob
19 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD
(and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet  (tenatomy
11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, pulmonary & aortic stenosis, PFO, left
kidney:  hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney:  low
functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected
9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays,
undiagnosed syndrome...

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole Trout [mailto:casey1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [feeding] Nicole and/or Lana

Niki,   My comment was not to any specific person, there were quite a few reply's and I felt some were somewhat attacking when I was just telling her what she asked for.  But... I have found ppl to be like that toward's others here at times so I guess I should have just been more specific... I just didn't think of it since I wasn't posting it as a chart for everyone's child. *smile* Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 11:20:00 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] Nicole and/or Lana   Nicole and/or Lana I do not feel my comment in any way was attacking and/or biting your head off, I was merely pointing out to lana when she asked that she should go by her child's needs and what not.   emily should get 800 some odd calories by the chart but her nutritionist says 1200 and we only get 750 in a day and she does not gain well but does gain some.   Like if your child is supposed to get 1000 calories per day but only takes in 800 but seems fine you should use that as your guide.  After reading a lot of replies I did not feel as though any were argumenative, just additive to the original post, though I have not read them all Niki   -------------- Original message -------------- Thank you Lana,   That was my point exactly. I guess you just kind of assume that every one know's their child and don't think you have to point it out. This isn't the first time I've seen ppl get their head practically bit off for voicing something and leaving a "what if" or "maybe" out. (lol) I'll start being a good lil girl and trying to remember every lil detail from now on... (lol) Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:53:16 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] (Ayni) cal chart   Wow Nicole -- you just post some generic information . and you get your throat ripped out! I knew that my child was different.. but it was cool to see how many calories kody might need :o)   Thanks   Lana Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote: Aya,   Let me point out that this chart is just based on weight/size and has nothing to do with activity levels and was also given to me for babies/toddlers and not older children. I just don't want anyone to get carried away and think I'm saying that it's the only way to go and no one else is right b/c every child is different (as many have pointed out) and has different need's. I just kind of assumed (my mistake) that everyone knew their child was different and depending on their need's/health issues may require something other. This was just a figure and chart given to me by a child nutritionist and very similar and agreed by our pediatrician. Also... (one more thing) all ped's/nutritionists are different as well depending on your area, their experience with preemies, etc....... Nicole :)   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:29:19 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart       Thank you,  this helps a lot. Aya   --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > Every kid is different... that is true, plus I only gave her the chart > according to cal intake based on weight (and stated that) not activity > levels. Every child has their own need's... > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 22:30:17 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart > > > each child is different emily needs 1200 calories a day to gain 8 ounces per > month, and she never does LOL. It depends on their needs. Emily when we > could get 1200 cals in her never gained anyways and was drowning in retained > fluid, our goal is 750 calories per day and she is doing "ok" on that > Niki > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > So dakota needs roughly 1000 calories a day?? > > Lana > > Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote: > Ayni, >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere... (lol) > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure it.... >   > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100 > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have to get > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart that shows > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper nutrient > s based on their size. > 15 lbs= 681 cal > 16 lbs= 727 cal > 17 lbs= 772 cal > 18 lbs= 818 cal > 19 lbs= 863 cal > 20 lbs= 909 cal > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10 lbs and > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does seem small >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free and I'll > try to help?!?! > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's) > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk > > > > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her > length is 25 and 1/2. > > Ayni > > > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > > Aya, > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight > issue or > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food, > protein, > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very > high in > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based > on her > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use > to figure > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me > who is a > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if > I can > > find it if your interested. > > Nicole > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53 > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking > it. > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My > > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure in > > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as > > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for > > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds > > appointment until the end of Feb. > > Thank you all. > > Aya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------ -- > ~--> > > Help save the life of a child.  Support St. Jude Children's > Research > > Hospital's > > 'Thanks & Giving.' > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0iazvD/5WnJAA/xGEGAA/bkiolB/TM > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -~-> > > > > Community email addresses: > >   Post message: feeding@onelist.com > >   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com > >   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > >   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole Trout [mailto:casey1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [feeding] Nicole and/or Lana

Niki,   My comment was not to any specific person, there were quite a few reply's and I felt some were somewhat attacking when I was just telling her what she asked for.  But... I have found ppl to be like that toward's others here at times so I guess I should have just been more specific... I just didn't think of it since I wasn't posting it as a chart for everyone's child. *smile* Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 11:20:00 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] Nicole and/or Lana   Nicole and/or Lana I do not feel my comment in any way was attacking and/or biting your head off, I was merely pointing out to lana when she asked that she should go by her child's needs and what not.   emily should get 800 some odd calories by the chart but her nutritionist says 1200 and we only get 750 in a day and she does not gain well but does gain some.   Like if your child is supposed to get 1000 calories per day but only takes in 800 but seems fine you should use that as your guide.  After reading a lot of replies I did not feel as though any were argumenative, just additive to the original post, though I have not read them all Niki   -------------- Original message -------------- Thank you Lana,   That was my point exactly. I guess you just kind of assume that every one know's their child and don't think you have to point it out. This isn't the first time I've seen ppl get their head practically bit off for voicing something and leaving a "what if" or "maybe" out. (lol) I'll start being a good lil girl and trying to remember every lil detail from now on... (lol) Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:53:16 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] (Ayni) cal chart   Wow Nicole -- you just post some generic information . and you get your throat ripped out! I knew that my child was different.. but it was cool to see how many calories kody might need :o)   Thanks   Lana Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote: Aya,   Let me point out that this chart is just based on weight/size and has nothing to do with activity levels and was also given to me for babies/toddlers and not older children. I just don't want anyone to get carried away and think I'm saying that it's the only way to go and no one else is right b/c every child is different (as many have pointed out) and has different need's. I just kind of assumed (my mistake) that everyone knew their child was different and depending on their need's/health issues may require something other. This was just a figure and chart given to me by a child nutritionist and very similar and agreed by our pediatrician. Also... (one more thing) all ped's/nutritionists are different as well depending on your area, their experience with preemies, etc....... Nicole :)   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:29:19 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart       Thank you,  this helps a lot. Aya   --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > Every kid is different... that is true, plus I only gave her the chart > according to cal intake based on weight (and stated that) not activity > levels. Every child has their own need's... > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 22:30:17 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart > > > each child is different emily needs 1200 calories a day to gain 8 ounces per > month, and she never does LOL. It depends on their needs. Emily when we > could get 1200 cals in her never gained anyways and was drowning in retained > fluid, our goal is 750 calories per day and she is doing "ok" on that > Niki > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > So dakota needs roughly 1000 calories a day?? > > Lana > > Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote: > Ayni, >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere... (lol) > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure it.... >   > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100 > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have to get > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart that shows > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper nutrient > s based on their size. > 15 lbs= 681 cal > 16 lbs= 727 cal > 17 lbs= 772 cal > 18 lbs= 818 cal > 19 lbs= 863 cal > 20 lbs= 909 cal > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10 lbs and > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does seem small >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free and I'll > try to help?!?! > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's) > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk > > > > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her > length is 25 and 1/2. > > Ayni > > > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > > Aya, > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight > issue or > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food, > protein, > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very > high in > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based > on her > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use > to figure > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me > who is a > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if > I can > > find it if your interested. > > Nicole > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53 > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking > it. > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My > > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure in > > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as > > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for > > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds > > appointment until the end of Feb. > > Thank you all. > > Aya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------ -- > ~--> > > Help save the life of a child.  Support St. Jude Children's > Research > > Hospital's > > 'Thanks & Giving.' > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0iazvD/5WnJAA/xGEGAA/bkiolB/TM > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -~-> > > > > Community email addresses: > >   Post message: feeding@onelist.com > >   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com > >   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > >   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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you are going to find this with a lot of drugs. 100% of peds
neurology is all off label, it is immoral to do a double blind study
on a small child so most drugs say not for use in children under the
age "_".  None of the drugs used on emily have been efficiently in
babies but they try different amounts until they get the right
result.  I would read all of the side effects and make your choice
from there
niki

--- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> Lynn,
>   Thanks for the offer... any questions that you feel that would be
> appropriate for asking of this drug being used on a 2 yr old
(27mth's) for
> behavioral issues would be greatly appreciated and then you could
just let
> me know any interesting or fact's about it. I would greatly
appreciate it! I
> did do a lil research on it this morning and as I had thought it's
used for
> psychiatric/behavioral issues and according to the info has been
commonly
> used in children for more than 10 yr's.... however there wasn't an
age range
> though so that wasn't very helpful. I guess I could give you the
dosage
> amount and you could mention that along with age just to see what
opinion
> they have to offer. It's a very small dosage... The pill is .25 mg
once
> daily before bedtime... but only a 1/2 of pill... (not a whole
one) and she
> s 27 mth's. Any info would be great..... I hate using any kind's
of medicine
> s, I just don't want to keep my dd drugged if not necessary.
> Thanks,
> Nicole
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 02/01/05 12:54:21
> To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [feeding] Lynn
>
> Hi Nicole,
> Just so you know, none of the psychiatric "behavioral" medications
have been
> approved for children as no-one is doing the studies on children
(there was
> just an article on this in a local magazine in brooklyn, NY). What
this
> means is that no-one knows the dosages,  long or short term
outcomes or
> possible side effects for children (apparently children metabolize
drugs
> faster than adults). The company that makes risperidol is actually
doing a
> clinical trial right now with children. Their rep is coming to do
a talk
> with my staff tomorrow so I will ask her the status of this study
and what
> ages they are studying. This is not to say that you should not
consider it
> for Casey if she really needs it. The FDA allows MD's to prescribe
any drug
> to anyone as long as they believe that it is necesary and will be
effective.
> I would just make sure that you start with a very small dose and
that Casey
> is closely monitored by the MD with frequent visits. Some MD's as
we all
> know are b etter than others. In my work I have encountered both
responsible
> and irresponsible ones. I'm sure that you will be on top of the
sitiuation.
> Please let me know if you have any specific questions I could try
to ask the
> risperidol rep for you.
> Lynn
>
> Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote:
> Risperdal... have you had experience with it before? I have
somewhat with my
> nephew who I helped raise but I never really did much research on
it. When I
> worked in nursing (nearly 4 yr's ago now) I only worked with the
elderly so
> didn't see it much there either but I think it's more of a drug
you see used
> with behavioral or ADHD kid's. I plan on researching it some today
now that
> I have had a lil rest.
> Nicole
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 02/01/05 07:45:29
> To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [feeding] i could scream!!!
>
> Hi Nicole,
> What is the name of the "behavioral " medicine the neurologist
will give
> Casey?
> Lynn
>
> Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote:
>  About a week ago I posted an update on my dd's compulsive violent
ear
> pulling and that the pediatrician said he believed it was b/c her
tonsils
> were swollen irritating her adenoids which was giving a pressure
feeling in
> the ear and she would more than likely need a tonsilectomy. Well
after
> nearly a month of no sleep, pulling ears, and screaming I
cancelled her
> therapies today to take her to the ENT specialists b/c the med's
the ped put
> her on have been useless to say the least. After a forever wait
the doctor
> looked at her and decided to do some test. Here's the kicker
(grr!!!) She
> said something totally opposite, she said that there is very
minimal
> swelling which is common in children and that her ears looked
great and the
> tests were all fine showing no signs of anything related to the
ears, throat
>  tonsils, adenoids, etc.......  How frustrating!!! So as a last
resort the
> only thing I could think of was maybe something going on brain
wise that we
> don't see an d called her neurologists who wasn't far away from
the ENT doc.
> I had to carry on and on to get in b/c it's almost impossible to
see him at
> times but she finally called me back on my cell before leaving
town (which
> is 2 hrs one way from our house) saying that she had a 3:45
cancellation so
> we ran around a bit then went over there. The doc checked her out,
measured
> her head, asked lot's of question's, and I explained the degree of
it and
> how long it's been going on as well as her sleeping as lil as 3-4
hrs in a
> 24 hour period at times b/c of it. After checking her out he said
he believe
> s she is experiencing a compulsive obsessive behavioral issue b/c
of her
> brain delay's and using it as a way to express herself and get out
her
> frustration's since she is delayed. So... he want's to try her on a
> behavioral medicine before bedtime each night to see if it
help's... I guess
> it can't hurt.  I pray this is the solution and it help's and I
get my happy
> lil girl back. I asked him how sur e of this he was and he said
he's almost
> certain but to be on the safe side he would order a MRI but since
she's
> uncooperative she has to be fully sedated and we can't get in
until the 15th
>  Then we see him on the 21rst for a follow up. Anyway's, that was
our long
> and very frustrating day... oh yes, and that was all after not
being to bed
> since 1:30 this morning when my dd decided to wake up screaming
with a
> tantrum after only 2 hours of sleep.
> Nicole
> (Casey 24wk'r, now 2)
>
>
>
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Risperdal... have you had experience with it before? I have somewhat with my nephew who I helped raise but I never really did much research on it. When I worked in nursing (nearly 4 yr's ago now) I only worked with the elderly so didn't see it much there either but I think it's more of a drug you see used with behavioral or ADHD kid's. I plan on researching it some today now that I have had a lil rest. Nicole    -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 07:45:29 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] i could scream!!!   Hi Nicole, What is the name of the "behavioral " medicine the neurologist will give Casey? Lynn Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote:  About a week ago I posted an update on my dd's compulsive violent ear pulling and that the pediatrician said he believed it was b/c her tonsils were swollen irritating her adenoids which was giving a pressure feeling in the ear and she would more than likely need a tonsilectomy. Well after nearly a month of no sleep, pulling ears, and screaming I cancelled her therapies today to take her to the ENT specialists b/c the med's the ped put her on have been useless to say the least. After a forever wait the doctor looked at her and decided to do some test. Here's the kicker (grr!!!) She said something totally opposite, she said that there is very minimal swelling which is common in children and that her ears looked great and the tests were all fine showing no signs of anything related to the ears, throat, tonsils, adenoids, etc.......  How frustrating!!! So as a last resort the only thing I could think of was maybe something going on brain wise that we don't see an d called her neurologists who wasn't far away from the ENT doc. I had to carry on and on to get in b/c it's almost impossible to see him at times but she finally called me back on my cell before leaving town (which is 2 hrs one way from our house) saying that she had a 3:45 cancellation so we ran around a bit then went over there. The doc checked her out, measured her head, asked lot's of question's, and I explained the degree of it and how long it's been going on as well as her sleeping as lil as 3-4 hrs in a 24 hour period at times b/c of it. After checking her out he said he believe's she is experiencing a compulsive obsessive behavioral issue b/c of her brain delay's and using it as a way to express herself and get out her frustration's since she is delayed. So... he want's to try her on a behavioral medicine before bedtime each night to see if it help's... I guess it can't hurt.  I pray this is the solution and it help's and I get my happy lil girl back. I asked him how sur e of this he was and he said he's almost certain but to be on the safe side he would order a MRI but since she's uncooperative she has to be fully sedated and we can't get in until the 15th. Then we see him on the 21rst for a follow up. Anyway's, that was our long and very frustrating day... oh yes, and that was all after not being to bed since 1:30 this morning when my dd decided to wake up screaming with a tantrum after only 2 hours of sleep. Nicole (Casey 24wk'r, now 2) Community email addresses:   Post message: feeding@onelist.com   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page:   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Community email addresses:   Post message: feeding@onelist.com   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page:   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding

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Thank you Lana,   That was my point exactly. I guess you just kind of assume that every one know's their child and don't think you have to point it out. This isn't the first time I've seen ppl get their head practically bit off for voicing something and leaving a "what if" or "maybe" out. (lol) I'll start being a good lil girl and trying to remember every lil detail from now on... (lol) Nicole   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:53:16 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [feeding] (Ayni) cal chart   Wow Nicole -- you just post some generic information . and you get your throat ripped out! I knew that my child was different.. but it was cool to see how many calories kody might need :o)   Thanks   Lana Nicole Trout <casey1@...> wrote: Aya,   Let me point out that this chart is just based on weight/size and has nothing to do with activity levels and was also given to me for babies/toddlers and not older children. I just don't want anyone to get carried away and think I'm saying that it's the only way to go and no one else is right b/c every child is different (as many have pointed out) and has different need's. I just kind of assumed (my mistake) that everyone knew their child was different and depending on their need's/health issues may require something other. This was just a figure and chart given to me by a child nutritionist and very similar and agreed by our pediatrician. Also... (one more thing) all ped's/nutritionists are different as well depending on your area, their experience with preemies, etc....... Nicole :)   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:29:19 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart       Thank you,  this helps a lot. Aya   --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > Every kid is different... that is true, plus I only gave her the chart > according to cal intake based on weight (and stated that) not activity > levels. Every child has their own need's... > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 22:30:17 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart > > > each child is different emily needs 1200 calories a day to gain 8 ounces per > month, and she never does LOL. It depends on their needs. Emily when we > could get 1200 cals in her never gained anyways and was drowning in retained > fluid, our goal is 750 calories per day and she is doing "ok" on that > Niki > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > So dakota needs roughly 1000 calories a day?? > > Lana > > Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote: > Ayni, >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere... (lol) > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure it.... >   > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100 > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have to get > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart that shows > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper nutrient > s based on their size. > 15 lbs= 681 cal > 16 lbs= 727 cal > 17 lbs= 772 cal > 18 lbs= 818 cal > 19 lbs= 863 cal > 20 lbs= 909 cal > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10 lbs and > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does seem small >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free and I'll > try to help?!?! > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's) > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk > > > > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her > length is 25 and 1/2. > > Ayni > > > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > > Aya, > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight > issue or > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food, > protein, > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very > high in > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based > on her > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use > to figure > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me > who is a > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if > I can > > find it if your interested. > > Nicole > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53 > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking > it. > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My > > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure in > > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as > > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for > > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds > > appointment until the end of Feb. > > Thank you all. > > Aya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------ -- > ~--> > > Help save the life of a child.  Support St. Jude Children's > Research > > Hospital's > > 'Thanks & Giving.' > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0iazvD/5WnJAA/xGEGAA/bkiolB/TM > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -~-> > > > > Community email addresses: > >   Post message: feeding@onelist.com > >   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com > >   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > >   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Aya,   Let me point out that this chart is just based on weight/size and has nothing to do with activity levels and was also given to me for babies/toddlers and not older children. I just don't want anyone to get carried away and think I'm saying that it's the only way to go and no one else is right b/c every child is different (as many have pointed out) and has different need's. I just kind of assumed (my mistake) that everyone knew their child was different and depending on their need's/health issues may require something other. This was just a figure and chart given to me by a child nutritionist and very similar and agreed by our pediatrician. Also... (one more thing) all ped's/nutritionists are different as well depending on your area, their experience with preemies, etc....... Nicole :)   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 02/01/05 10:29:19 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart       Thank you,  this helps a lot. Aya   --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > Every kid is different... that is true, plus I only gave her the chart > according to cal intake based on weight (and stated that) not activity > levels. Every child has their own need's... > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 22:30:17 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart > > > each child is different emily needs 1200 calories a day to gain 8 ounces per > month, and she never does LOL. It depends on their needs. Emily when we > could get 1200 cals in her never gained anyways and was drowning in retained > fluid, our goal is 750 calories per day and she is doing "ok" on that > Niki > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > So dakota needs roughly 1000 calories a day?? > > Lana > > Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote: > Ayni, >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere... (lol) > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure it.... >   > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100 > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have to get > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart that shows > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper nutrient > s based on their size. > 15 lbs= 681 cal > 16 lbs= 727 cal > 17 lbs= 772 cal > 18 lbs= 818 cal > 19 lbs= 863 cal > 20 lbs= 909 cal > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10 lbs and > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does seem small >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free and I'll > try to help?!?! > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's) > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk > > > > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her > length is 25 and 1/2. > > Ayni > > > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > > Aya, > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight > issue or > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food, > protein, > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very > high in > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based > on her > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use > to figure > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me > who is a > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if > I can > > find it if your interested. > > Nicole > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53 > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking > it. > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My > > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure in > > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as > > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for > > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds > > appointment until the end of Feb. > > Thank you all. > > Aya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Thank you,  this helps a lot.
Aya

--- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> Every kid is different... that is true, plus I only gave her the
chart
> according to cal intake based on weight (and stated that) not
activity
> levels. Every child has their own need's...
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 01/31/05 22:30:17
> To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart
>
>
> each child is different emily needs 1200 calories a day to gain 8
ounces per
> month, and she never does LOL. It depends on their needs. Emily
when we
> could get 1200 cals in her never gained anyways and was drowning
in retained
> fluid, our goal is 750 calories per day and she is doing "ok" on
that
> Niki
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> So dakota needs roughly 1000 calories a day??
>
> Lana
>
> Nicole Trout <casey1@i...> wrote:
> Ayni,
>   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere...
(lol)
> A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you
figure it....
>

> Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's
100
> Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't
have to get
> it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart
that shows
> you give or take around how many calories a child need's for
proper nutrient
> s based on their size.
> 15 lbs= 681 cal
> 16 lbs= 727 cal
> 17 lbs= 772 cal
> 18 lbs= 818 cal
> 19 lbs= 863 cal
> 20 lbs= 909 cal
> Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @
1'10 lbs and
> a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does
seem small
>  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free
and I'll
> try to help?!?!
> Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's)
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57
> To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk
>
>
>
> Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight
> gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only
> 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her
> length is 25 and 1/2.
>
> Ayni
>
>
> --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote:
> > Aya,
> >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight
> issue or
> > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food,
> protein,
> > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very
> high in
> > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based
> on her
> > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use
> to figure
> > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave
me
> who is a
> > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see
if
> I can
> > find it if your interested.
> > Nicole
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53
> > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to
> > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half
and
> > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking
> it.
> > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My
> > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure
in
> > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as
> > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for
> > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds
> > appointment until the end of Feb.
> > Thank you all.
> > Aya
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Mary,   This is probably true depending on the child. I used the chart b/c it came from a friend of mine who has been a child nutritionist for around 10 yr's now and has a 3 yr old 24 wk'r of her own... so I figured who better. I also have got a weight based figure from the ped which is very similar as well, but you are right... every child is different so each parent just has to use their better judgement when it comes to their child. I was just giving her what she asked for........ *smile* Nicole (Casey 24wk'r, now2)   -------Original Message-------   From: feeding@yahoogroups.com Date: 01/31/05 21:56:19 To: feeding@yahoogroups.com Subject: [feeding] Re: [feeding)(Ayni) cal chart     This is not meant to be critical, and I'm sure this chart is accurate for most "regular" kids!!!  Phillip's dietician said you also need to take into account the activity level of the child.  If, for some reason, your child is more or less active than other babies, his/her caloric needs will be different.  My son is an extreme case...very hypotonic, but his dietician found he gained the "right" amount of weight with about 650 calories (at 18.5 pounds).   -Mary       --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > Ayni, >   Okie dokie, I found it... I knew it was around here somewhere... (lol) > A child need's 100 calories per kilogram...  This is how you figure it.... > > Current weight divided by 2.2=            Then take "answer" x's 100 > Here's a few figure's to get you started... mind you, you don't have to get > it right down to the exact calorie *smile*. This is just a chart that shows > you give or take around how many calories a child need's for proper nutrient > s based on their size. > 15 lbs= 681 cal > 16 lbs= 727 cal > 17 lbs= 772 cal > 18 lbs= 818 cal > 19 lbs= 863 cal > 20 lbs= 909 cal > Also... Casey was only 14 lbs at age one but she started out @ 1'10 lbs and > a ft long. So... for starting out at over 7 lbs your lil one does seem small >  Hope this all helped! If you have any more question's, feel free and I'll > try to help?!?! > Nicole (Casey 24 wk'r, now 2 & curr preg 32.5 wk's) > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Date: 01/31/05 10:26:57 > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [feeding] Re: pediasure vs milk > > > > Thank you Nicole and Linda for the input. Yes, she is having weight > gain issue. At birth she was 7.2 lb, and now she weights only > 15.6lb. Nicole, please let me know if you found that chart, her > length is 25 and 1/2. > > Ayni > > > --- In feeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nicole Trout" <casey1@i...> wrote: > > Aya, > >   Pediasure is actually better if your lil one is having a weight > issue or > > slow weight gain. It has everything in it to supplement food, > protein, > > nutrient's, etc... Either way, it won't hurt her, it's just very > high in > > calories (30cal per oz) Also how many calories she needs is based > on her > > weight and size, not really age. I have a chart that I use to use > to figure > > calories based on weight on calories that a friend of mine gave me > who is a > > child nutritionist but I haven't used it in sometime. I can see if > I can > > find it if your interested. > > Nicole > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Date: 01/30/05 11:58:53 > > To: feeding@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [feeding] pediasure vs milk > > > > > > Hello, > > > > My daughter turned one last week, and I tried to switch her to > > regular milk but she does not like it. I also tried to mix half and > > half baby formula and  regular milk, and still she is not taking > it. > > Yesterday I tried giving her pediasure, and she likes it. My > > question is does anyone know if I can keep giving her pediasure in > > place of the milk? or she must take milk and use pediasure as > > suppliment? How much calories should one year old take? Sorry for > > asking many question at once, because I could not get peds > > appointment until the end of Feb. > > Thank you all. > > Aya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > > Help save the life of a child.  Support St. Jude Children's > Research > > Hospital's > > 'Thanks & Giving.' > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0iazvD/5WnJAA/xGEGAA/bkiolB/TM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -~-> > > > > Community email addresses: > >   Post message: feeding@onelist.com > >   Subscribe:    feeding-subscribe@onelist.com > >   Unsubscribe:  feeding-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >   List owner:   feeding-owner@onelist.com > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > >   http://www.onelist.com/community/feeding > > Yahoo! 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About a week ago I posted an update on my dd's compulsive violent ear pulling and that the pediatrician said he believed it was b/c her tonsils were swollen irritating her adenoids which was giving a pressure feeling in the ear and she would more than likely need a tonsilectomy. Well after nearly a month of no sleep, pulling ears, and screaming I cancelled her therapies today to take her to the ENT specialists b/c the med's the ped put her on have been useless to say the least. After a forever wait the doctor looked at her and decided to do some test. Here's the kicker (grr!!!) She said something totally opposite, she said that there is very minimal swelling which is common in children and that her ears looked great and the tests were all fine showing no signs of anything related to the ears, throat, tonsils, adenoids, etc.......  How frustrating!!! So as a last resort the only thing I could think of was maybe something going on brain wise that we don't see and called her neurologists who wasn't far away from the ENT doc. I had to carry on and on to get in b/c it's almost impossible to see him at times but she finally called me back on my cell before leaving town (which is 2 hrs one way from our house) saying that she had a 3:45 cancellation so we ran around a bit then went over there. The doc checked her out, measured her head, asked lot's of question's, and I explained the degree of it and how long it's been going on as well as her sleeping as lil as 3-4 hrs in a 24 hour period at times b/c of it. After checking her out he said he believe's she is experiencing a compulsive obsessive behavioral issue b/c of her brain delay's and using it as a way to express herself and get out her frustration's since she is delayed. So... he want's to try her on a behavioral medicine before bedtime each night to see if it help's... I guess it can't hurt.  I pray this is the solution and it help's and I get my happy lil girl back. I asked him how sure of this he was and he said he's almost certain but to be on the safe side he would order a MRI but since she's uncooperative she has to be fully sedated and we can't get in until the 15th. Then we see him on the 21rst for a follow up. Anyway's, that was our long and very frustrating day... oh yes, and that was all after not being to bed since 1:30 this morning when my dd decided to wake up screaming with a tantrum after only 2 hours of sleep. Nicole (Casey 24wk'r, now 2)

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