there are variations on this group
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fasting/

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "salmarcin" <smarcin@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a new twist on every other day fasting:
>
>
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/headline_health/on_off_fasting_lose_weigh/2009/11/1\
2/285699.html?s=al&promo_code=910A-1
>
> Basically, participants did a fast 2 every other day, eating only 25% of their
normal calorie needs. They ate normally the other days of the week. The study
was designed for those needing to lose weight. Weight loss over 8 weeks was 7 to
30 pounds. It was a very small study with only 12 "obese" women and 4 "obese"
men. Has anyone here tried this or any other variation of Fast 5 to lose more
than 50 pounds successfully?
>
> Sally
>

Here's a new twist on every other day fasting:

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/headline_health/on_off_fasting_lose_weigh/2009/11/1\
2/285699.html?s=al&promo_code=910A-1

Basically, participants did a fast 2 every other day, eating only 25% of their
normal calorie needs. They ate normally the other days of the week. The study
was designed for those needing to lose weight. Weight loss over 8 weeks was 7 to
30 pounds. It was a very small study with only 12 "obese" women and 4 "obese"
men. Has anyone here tried this or any other variation of Fast 5 to lose more
than 50 pounds successfully?

Sally

Gee, Don...  Actually I'd look at all those 19-hr fasts you're putting in as
launching you toward your goal!

Keep up the great work!

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
emaildonv
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:48 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Re: Fast Fiving again!

... tiny steps, one day at a time. and 5 hours at a time. :o)

Don

Welcome!

I wish I could quickly pull up the posts here that have been most helpful to
me!

Heather's come to mind right off!

Some suggest to start in to F5 slowly; others (like me) just jumped right in
with a full 19-hr fast.

Heather suggested using a Warrior Diet style of breaking your fast.

I'll probably mess it up (as I don't use it but think it's a great idea!)
but:

Proteins
Veggies first
Treats last...

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rita
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:09 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] New Kid On The Block

After much prayer and self-debating, I decided to take the Fast-5 plunge. I
just started reading the ebook this morning, and I was wondering if anyone
has any advice for the newbie here.

Thanks and God bless! :)



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Congrats Jess!

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
issej86
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:56 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Update #4 :)!!!!!!!!

Today I weighed in at 344 pounds which means I lost another 3 pounds! Yay!
for a total of 11 pounds lost since October 1st. I'm so excited that I have
a double digit weight loss number now! I'll be dancing and screaming with
joy when I get that triple digit weight loss number. I'm really happy with
the 11 pounds gone :)!!! Best of luck to all of you! ~Jess



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Golly.  I'm still new to the high fat, low carb eating lifestyle, but I have
to say eating this way has helped me break my addiction (or better recognize
it) to sugar (carbs).

I've heard say that some people can eat some sugar and be fine: but this is
not me.  Once I start, get out of my way. If I were to open my eating window
with a poor choice (sugar/carbs), I'd consume nothing but that...

Now that I'm loading up on good fats, I'm not hungry and very rarely tempted
to eat outside the boundaries (sugar, carbs).

I am not losing weight, altho I am very close to 'ideal' weight.

My focus, at this time, is to control my high blood sugar.

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
esther.park@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:27 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] Fast Fiving again!

1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of me
2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
3)  If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
contact =]  I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
support ^^

I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound this
way.  I love Fast Five!~ I just don't like how I keep giving up!  Tasting
failure again and again is so bitter.  And even as I am on the fringe of
success I lose sight of it.  It's awfully frustrating! =(

Thanks very much for listening!



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Ah, the ol' 80/20 rule is a good one to memorize! I didn't quote
it correctly: it is something like: "You get 80% if the results,
for 20% of the effort". This is extremely useful. So, if you are,
say, cleaning a room, the first 20% of cleaning does MOST
of the work. That would be: grabbing all the dirty clothes
off the floor and dropping them into a hamper. You get the idea.

The last 20% is what they call "detailing" ... cleaning the corners
with a toothbrush sort of thing. If you get into the last 2% ...
you probably have OCD.

I tend to be a perfectionist, from a family of perfectionists,
so I expect my kids to commit this to memory. Details are
great, when you are sending up the space shuttle. Not so much
when it comes to say, how much you eat every day or how much
you weigh. 80% is plenty good enough for that.



On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:23 PM, esther.park@...
<esther.park@...> wrote:
> Thank you for these tips! I should be grateful, I realize.  And that 80/20
rule is something I havent heard before! Your words are insightful and I will
use them wisely =D
> I have heard that muscle weighs more than fat too and because of all these and
other reasons, I should probably go hide my scale.
> Thanks again!:]
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>>
>> There are a couple of things here:
>>
>> 1. Like others say: be happy! You are close.
>>
>> 2. There is the 80/20 rule. 80% of a project is easier. It gets harder and
>> harder the closer you get to "perfection".
>>
>> 3. What is your height? Your body fat percentage? What is your goal, really,
>> and why did you pick it?
>>
>> People who are REALLY into low body fat, like body builders, have to do
>> massive work to get that low body fat while maintaining muscle, and even
>> they don't maintain it year round. Nor is it very healthy for a woman (women
>> need more body fat than males).
>>
>> But people who are into "being strong" don't usually talk about weight much.
>> They talk about "how many pushups they can do" or "how many laps". They tend
>> to weigh more than one would expect, even though they look really good.
>> Muscle and bone weigh a LOT more than fat. My daughter the athlete is the
>> same height as I was at her age, and looks great. She also weighs 40 lbs or
>> so more that what I considered "my goal weight" when I was her age. I think
>> at this point that my "goal weight" was super-unrealistic!
>>
>> So you might consider: if you are on a good diet, and feeling good, and your
>> body just wants to be the weight it is: concentrate on something else for
>> awhile. Like doing some body building, swimming, cycling ... something you
>> like that builds muscle and makes you trim. The extra 10 lbs might drop off,
>> they might not, but you'll feel good!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Linda Eichblatt
>> <linda.eichblatt@...>wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Esther:  Here's my comment, which I very much hope will encourage you:
>> >
>> > I wish I were in your place!!!  You are on your final 10-15 pounds to your
>> > goal weight, while I still have 120 pounds to go.  How I envy you.  I'm
sure
>> > you are pretty in your clothes and healthy in your outlook on life.  Please
>> > be an example for all the rest of us morbidly obese who are fasting every
>> > day.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Linda in Amarillo
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, esther.park@... <
>> > esther.park@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello all!
>> >> I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous
>> >> as well for your success!
>> >> I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation! I hope it's
>> >> not too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some
>> >> questions~
>> >> I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]
>> >>
>> >> So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or
>> >> morning, it doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and
such...for
>> >> that I am a bit happy :']
>> >> 1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
>> >> makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
>> >> succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of
me
>> >> 2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
>> >> 3) If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
>> >> matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
>> >> contact =] I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
>> >> support ^^
>> >>
>> >> I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound
>> >> this way. I love Fast Five!~
>> >> I just don't like how I keep giving up! Tasting failure again and again is
>> >> so bitter. And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.
>> >> It's awfully frustrating! =(
>> >>
>> >> Thanks very much for listening!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Linda Eichblatt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Heather Twist
>> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Heather Twist
http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/

Thank you for these tips! I should be grateful, I realize.  And that 80/20 rule
is something I havent heard before! Your words are insightful and I will use
them wisely =D
I have heard that muscle weighs more than fat too and because of all these and
other reasons, I should probably go hide my scale.
Thanks again!:]

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> There are a couple of things here:
>
> 1. Like others say: be happy! You are close.
>
> 2. There is the 80/20 rule. 80% of a project is easier. It gets harder and
> harder the closer you get to "perfection".
>
> 3. What is your height? Your body fat percentage? What is your goal, really,
> and why did you pick it?
>
> People who are REALLY into low body fat, like body builders, have to do
> massive work to get that low body fat while maintaining muscle, and even
> they don't maintain it year round. Nor is it very healthy for a woman (women
> need more body fat than males).
>
> But people who are into "being strong" don't usually talk about weight much.
> They talk about "how many pushups they can do" or "how many laps". They tend
> to weigh more than one would expect, even though they look really good.
> Muscle and bone weigh a LOT more than fat. My daughter the athlete is the
> same height as I was at her age, and looks great. She also weighs 40 lbs or
> so more that what I considered "my goal weight" when I was her age. I think
> at this point that my "goal weight" was super-unrealistic!
>
> So you might consider: if you are on a good diet, and feeling good, and your
> body just wants to be the weight it is: concentrate on something else for
> awhile. Like doing some body building, swimming, cycling ... something you
> like that builds muscle and makes you trim. The extra 10 lbs might drop off,
> they might not, but you'll feel good!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Linda Eichblatt
> <linda.eichblatt@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Esther:  Here's my comment, which I very much hope will encourage you:
> >
> > I wish I were in your place!!!  You are on your final 10-15 pounds to your
> > goal weight, while I still have 120 pounds to go.  How I envy you.  I'm sure
> > you are pretty in your clothes and healthy in your outlook on life.  Please
> > be an example for all the rest of us morbidly obese who are fasting every
> > day.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Linda in Amarillo
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, esther.park@... <
> > esther.park@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all!
> >> I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous
> >> as well for your success!
> >> I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation! I hope it's
> >> not too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some
> >> questions~
> >> I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]
> >>
> >> So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or
> >> morning, it doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and
such...for
> >> that I am a bit happy :']
> >> 1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
> >> makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
> >> succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of me
> >> 2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
> >> 3) If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
> >> matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
> >> contact =] I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
> >> support ^^
> >>
> >> I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound
> >> this way. I love Fast Five!~
> >> I just don't like how I keep giving up! Tasting failure again and again is
> >> so bitter. And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.
> >> It's awfully frustrating! =(
> >>
> >> Thanks very much for listening!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Linda Eichblatt
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Heather Twist
> http://eatingoffthefoodgrid.blogspot.com/
>

Thank you very much Linda. =]
Your words are very encouraging and I wish you the best success to lose those
numbers! If I can be of any support I will cheer you on and watch you become an
inspiration for others! Imagine the mighty success story you'll be able to tell
others just beginning!
Thanks~

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Linda Eichblatt <linda.eichblatt@...> wrote:
>
> Esther:  Here's my comment, which I very much hope will encourage you:
>
> I wish I were in your place!!!  You are on your final 10-15 pounds to your
> goal weight, while I still have 120 pounds to go.  How I envy you.  I'm sure
> you are pretty in your clothes and healthy in your outlook on life.  Please
> be an example for all the rest of us morbidly obese who are fasting every
> day.
>
> Cheers,
> Linda in Amarillo
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, esther.park@... <
> esther.park@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all!
> > I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous
> > as well for your success!
> > I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation! I hope it's
> > not too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some
> > questions~
> > I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]
> >
> > So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or
> > morning, it doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and such...for
> > that I am a bit happy :']
> > 1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
> > makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
> > succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of me
> > 2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
> > 3) If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
> > matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
> > contact =] I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
> > support ^^
> >
> > I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound this
> > way. I love Fast Five!~
> > I just don't like how I keep giving up! Tasting failure again and again is
> > so bitter. And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.
> > It's awfully frustrating! =(
> >
> > Thanks very much for listening!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Linda Eichblatt
>

I am sorry about you and Linda's situation =( but I am inspired all the more
that you guys are trying so hard to win back your health!
Thank you for your kind words, I won't forget it =]

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "emaildonv" <pt@...> wrote:
>
> Look on the bright side. Like Linda I wish I was in your place. I need to lose
12 more pounds and then I will not be MORBIDLY obese.  Yes I am looking forward
to the day that I will only be obese!   A 34 pound loss from today and I will be
'overweight'!  tiny steps, one day at a time. and 5 hours at a time. :o)
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Linda Eichblatt <linda.eichblatt@> wrote:
> >
> > Esther:  Here's my comment, which I very much hope will encourage you:
> >
> > I wish I were in your place!!!  You are on your final 10-15 pounds to your
> > goal weight, while I still have 120 pounds to go.  How I envy you.  I'm sure
> > you are pretty in your clothes and healthy in your outlook on life.  Please
> > be an example for all the rest of us morbidly obese who are fasting every
> > day.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Linda in Amarillo
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, esther.park@ <
> > esther.park@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all!
> > > I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous
> > > as well for your success!
> > > I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation! I hope it's
> > > not too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some
> > > questions~
> > > I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]
> > >
> > > So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or
> > > morning, it doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and
such...for
> > > that I am a bit happy :']
> > > 1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
> > > makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
> > > succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of
me
> > > 2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
> > > 3) If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
> > > matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
> > > contact =] I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
> > > support ^^
> > >
> > > I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound
this
> > > way. I love Fast Five!~
> > > I just don't like how I keep giving up! Tasting failure again and again is
> > > so bitter. And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.
> > > It's awfully frustrating! =(
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for listening!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Linda Eichblatt
> >
>

Hi All-

My doctor sent out a newsletter today that I thought really shed some light on
why Fast-5 works.  The article is not about Fast-5, rather about calorie
restriction and exercise, which is actually about Fast-5 in a round about way. 
Enjoy!



Will Avoiding Dietary Sugar Prolong Life?

Nobody has yet shown any way to extend the life span of
humans. However, both exercise and calorie restriction (with
adequate nutrients) have been shown to extend the life span of
animals.  Both of these measures apparently extend life by
increasing the number and size of mitochondria in cells and
making them turn food into energy more efficiently.  Each cell in
your body contains up to several hundred mitochondria which
provide the most efficient chemical reactions in your body for
converting food into energy.

An exciting new study on worms offers a potential method
for you to prolong life and good health.  When blood sugar levels
rise too high, sugar enters cells in large amounts.  An earlier
study showed that adding sugar to the diet of the worm, C. Elegans,
shortens its life (Cell Metabolism, October, 2007).  Now the
researchers have found that preventing sugar from entering cells
by altering the genes for DAF-2, DAF-16 and Heat Shock Factor-1
causes the same changes as avoiding sugar and extends the worms'
life span up to 20 percent (Cell Metabolism, November 2009).
These benefits could also occur in humans because we have the
same three genes that control sugar entry into cells as those
of the worms.

Calorie restriction and exercise probably prolong life
by the same mechanism: they enlarge and activate mitochondria in
cells that turn food to energy. This helps mitochondria to clear
free radicals much more rapidly from the body.  Free radicals can
damage cells and therefore shorten life. The worms' cells
responded to the absence of sugar inside cells by increasing their
ability to clear free radicals from their bodies which prolonged
their lives.  Indeed, when sugar was allowed to again enter their
cells, they still could clear free radicals faster and live longer
because their enlarged mitochondria were more efficient in removing
free radicals.

This research on worms questions the way doctors treat
type II diabetes when they prescribe drugs to lower blood sugar
levels by driving sugar into cells.  The best treatment may be to
develop diets and drugs that prevent blood sugar from entering
cells in the first place.

For now, we know that you will shorten your life and
increase risk for many diseases by allowing blood sugar levels to
rise too high after meals.  A diet that keeps sugar from rising too
high after meals (and reduces the entry of sugar into cells) can
prevent diabetes,  help control all the side effects of diabetes
(JAMA, December 16, 2008), cause the most weight loss, and
allow many type II diabetics to safely stop their medications
(Nutrition and Metabolism, January 2009).  Avoid foods that cause
the highest rise in blood sugar levels: sugar in liquid form
(sugared drinks, fruit juices, and adding sugar to any drink);
foods made from flour (bread, spaghetti, macaroni, pretzels,
bagels and so forth); and foods with added sugar.

You should also exercise every day.  Exercise causes
muscles to remove sugar from the bloodstream at a very rapid rate
and this effect lasts maximally for about half hour after you stop
exercising, then tapers off until it stops completely after about
17 hours.  Furthermore, since lack of vitamin D causes high blood
sugar levels, you should make sure that your blood level of
vitamin D3 is above 75 nmol/L (see the note on new vitamin D
recommendations below).

Welcome! It's a nice group, I think you'll like it here.

Everyone has different takes on this, but my take is:
be easy on yourself. Unless you have done fasting before,
take Bert's advice: move back your breakfast by half an hour
a day.

Also, be sure to get plenty of protein. Don't combine this diet
with others, esp. not at first. Just eat according to what you want,
but go for the "good foods" (protein, vegies) before the high glycemic
stuff. Don't beat yourself up if you feel like you are "eating too much",
esp. in the first month. Things settle out after a bit.

If you need to take medications etc. with food outside your window,
taking them with some fiber (konjac, celery, a raw carrot) can
allow your stomach to be happy without messing up your insulin
levels.

Hot water with a little lemon juice is useful for the occasional
hunger pang.

Otherwise, there really isn't much to it. It's kind of a no-brainer,
which makes people think "I must be missing something".



On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Rita <theroseawakens@...> wrote:
> After much prayer and self-debating, I decided to take the Fast-5 plunge. I
just started reading the ebook this morning, and I was wondering if anyone has
any advice for the newbie here.
>
> Thanks and God bless! :)
>
>

Look on the bright side. Like Linda I wish I was in your place. I need to lose
12 more pounds and then I will not be MORBIDLY obese.  Yes I am looking forward
to the day that I will only be obese!   A 34 pound loss from today and I will be
'overweight'!  tiny steps, one day at a time. and 5 hours at a time. :o)

Don




--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Linda Eichblatt <linda.eichblatt@...> wrote:
>
> Esther:  Here's my comment, which I very much hope will encourage you:
>
> I wish I were in your place!!!  You are on your final 10-15 pounds to your
> goal weight, while I still have 120 pounds to go.  How I envy you.  I'm sure
> you are pretty in your clothes and healthy in your outlook on life.  Please
> be an example for all the rest of us morbidly obese who are fasting every
> day.
>
> Cheers,
> Linda in Amarillo
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM, esther.park@... <
> esther.park@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all!
> > I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous
> > as well for your success!
> > I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation! I hope it's
> > not too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some
> > questions~
> > I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]
> >
> > So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or
> > morning, it doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and such...for
> > that I am a bit happy :']
> > 1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body
> > makes me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I
> > succeed but I fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of me
> > 2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
> > 3) If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no
> > matter where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in
> > contact =] I will do my best to give support in return for much needed
> > support ^^
> >
> > I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound this
> > way. I love Fast Five!~
> > I just don't like how I keep giving up! Tasting failure again and again is
> > so bitter. And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.
> > It's awfully frustrating! =(
> >
> > Thanks very much for listening!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Linda Eichblatt
>

After much prayer and self-debating, I decided to take the Fast-5 plunge. I just
started reading the ebook this morning, and I was wondering if anyone has any
advice for the newbie here.

Thanks and God bless! :)

Today I weighed in at 344 pounds which means I lost another 3 pounds! Yay! for a
total of 11 pounds lost since October 1st. I'm so excited that I have a double
digit weight loss number now! I'll be dancing and screaming with joy when I get
that triple digit weight loss number. I'm really happy with the 11 pounds gone
:)!!! Best of luck to all of you! ~Jess

Hello all!
I am glad for those who succeeded in fast-fiving and am extremely jealous as
well for your success!
I have about 10-15 lbs to lose yet I lose so much motivation!  I hope it's not
too much trouble that I empty my mind out here as well as ask some questions~
I find this place to be very warm with kind words and support =]

So far what I am proud of is that I don't eat during the daytime or morning, it
doesn't affect me as it used to with hunger pains and such...for that I am a bit
happy :']
1) the problem lies in overindulging during my eating window...and my body makes
me pay for it with bloating the day later...there are days when I succeed but I
fear for the days to come when my hunger takes the best of me
2) Motivation! I definately need doses of motivation each day! =(
3)  If anyone is interested, I would love to have a Fast Five buddy, no matter
where you may live I'm pretty sure the internet will keep us in contact =]  I
will do my best to give support in return for much needed support ^^

I apologize that I sound like I am complaining, I do not mean to sound this way.
I love Fast Five!~
I just don't like how I keep giving up!  Tasting failure again and again is so
bitter.  And even as I am on the fringe of success I lose sight of it.  It's
awfully frustrating! =(

Thanks very much for listening!

thanks for all of the support! i'm just so stuck in this "scale" mentality, that
i immediately attribute an increase in weight to an increase in fat! i will
definitely keep all of your great feedback in mind the next time i step onto the
scale.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Just a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1. How do your clothes fit? Do you FEEL better? Fat calipers
> are a better measurement than "weight" by a long shot.
>
> 2. Re-weigh yourself in a week. 3 lbs is what, 3pints of water?
>   I can vary by 5 lbs in one day, no prob.
>
> 3. Just log it. One data point doesn't mean much.
>
> I say this partly because my very well-proportioned daughter
> weighs a good 30 lbs more than *I* did at her age and height.
> She has muscle, I had fat. Her bones are thick and strong: mine
> were not. None of us can tell, from an email, how you are REALLY
> doing, but if you are eating well and not too much, it's likely you
> will eventually become more condensed, and you will grow muscle,
> which weighs a lot.
>
> If you need numbers, I'd suggest a scale that gives you a fat percentage.
> Though, what I mainly learned from those is how much my water
> percentage varies throughout the day. Fat doesn't really go up and
> down rapidly, but water does.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM, im4p5yc0 <sharkbait88@...> wrote:
> > i just checked the scale recently and found that i've gained about 3 pounds!
I've been strictly keeping in line with the fasting hours and most days eaten
below my usual daily caloric consumption. i have changed my diet a bit in the
past few days to experiment with the high fat low carb diets that most people
are saying is helping them lose weight.  i've been eating more eggs, meats and
cheeses than carbs, which usually makes up most of my diet usually.  on this
diet, i feel more satisfied, quicker and easier, and feel less pushed to keep
eating (as with the high carb diet i've been on).  but i've gained! its odd,
since i usually eat this way, before i started on fast five, so i expected to
contribute to weight loss rather than gain! does anyone have any advice on this?
> >
> >
>

Hi there,

I thought I would just chip in with my own experience on Fast-5 so far. I've
been quite careful counting calories - not eating over 1,500 - usually around
1,300 - lot's of meat, fish, veg, soup, hummous, cheese (which I refuse to give
up!)and a bit of choc or fruit for dessert. I always eat until I am full
(perhaps a bit too full).

I too have been doing this for three months or so and have not lost much
pound-wise which when weighed myself, found quite discouraging. But I must say
people have commented on my 'weight loss' and my clothes are considerably looser
on me. Gone down from a UK size 14 to a 12. My body shape is slowly changing. As
Heather describes - I am indeed feeling more 'condensed' and less flabby by the
day. I do go to the gym twice a week and feel full of energy. I have decided I
am not going to weigh myself and generally try to break free from the deeply
ingrained psychological bond I have with the numbers the scale gives me. Ideally
I hope to give up calorie counting too, and just listen to my body. But one step
at a time.

Just to say - though I don't have spectacular weight loss numbers, I am
gradually looking better and certainly feeling better than I have in years.
Perhaps in a couple of months I will climb on the scale and post stats!

Best of luck...








--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, Heather Twist <HeatherTwist@...> wrote:
>
> Just a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1. How do your clothes fit? Do you FEEL better? Fat calipers
> are a better measurement than "weight" by a long shot.
>
> 2. Re-weigh yourself in a week. 3 lbs is what, 3pints of water?
>   I can vary by 5 lbs in one day, no prob.
>
> 3. Just log it. One data point doesn't mean much.
>
> I say this partly because my very well-proportioned daughter
> weighs a good 30 lbs more than *I* did at her age and height.
> She has muscle, I had fat. Her bones are thick and strong: mine
> were not. None of us can tell, from an email, how you are REALLY
> doing, but if you are eating well and not too much, it's likely you
> will eventually become more condensed, and you will grow muscle,
> which weighs a lot.
>
> If you need numbers, I'd suggest a scale that gives you a fat percentage.
> Though, what I mainly learned from those is how much my water
> percentage varies throughout the day. Fat doesn't really go up and
> down rapidly, but water does.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM, im4p5yc0 <sharkbait88@...> wrote:
> > i just checked the scale recently and found that i've gained about 3 pounds!
I've been strictly keeping in line with the fasting hours and most days eaten
below my usual daily caloric consumption. i have changed my diet a bit in the
past few days to experiment with the high fat low carb diets that most people
are saying is helping them lose weight.  i've been eating more eggs, meats and
cheeses than carbs, which usually makes up most of my diet usually.  on this
diet, i feel more satisfied, quicker and easier, and feel less pushed to keep
eating (as with the high carb diet i've been on).  but i've gained! its odd,
since i usually eat this way, before i started on fast five, so i expected to
contribute to weight loss rather than gain! does anyone have any advice on this?
> >
> >
>

Just a couple of thoughts:

1. How do your clothes fit? Do you FEEL better? Fat calipers
are a better measurement than "weight" by a long shot.

2. Re-weigh yourself in a week. 3 lbs is what, 3pints of water?
   I can vary by 5 lbs in one day, no prob.

3. Just log it. One data point doesn't mean much.

I say this partly because my very well-proportioned daughter
weighs a good 30 lbs more than *I* did at her age and height.
She has muscle, I had fat. Her bones are thick and strong: mine
were not. None of us can tell, from an email, how you are REALLY
doing, but if you are eating well and not too much, it's likely you
will eventually become more condensed, and you will grow muscle,
which weighs a lot.

If you need numbers, I'd suggest a scale that gives you a fat percentage.
Though, what I mainly learned from those is how much my water
percentage varies throughout the day. Fat doesn't really go up and
down rapidly, but water does.





On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:50 PM, im4p5yc0 <sharkbait88@...> wrote:
> i just checked the scale recently and found that i've gained about 3 pounds!
I've been strictly keeping in line with the fasting hours and most days eaten
below my usual daily caloric consumption. i have changed my diet a bit in the
past few days to experiment with the high fat low carb diets that most people
are saying is helping them lose weight.  i've been eating more eggs, meats and
cheeses than carbs, which usually makes up most of my diet usually.  on this
diet, i feel more satisfied, quicker and easier, and feel less pushed to keep
eating (as with the high carb diet i've been on).  but i've gained! its odd,
since i usually eat this way, before i started on fast five, so i expected to
contribute to weight loss rather than gain! does anyone have any advice on this?
>
>

I'm really not very smart as to this way of eating (having only just changed
2 months ago), but I'd say to log your eats in to Fitday (or something
similar) and check your ratios.

Your fat needs to be high; like 70%.

Could be you're getting too much protein.

The way I have determined how much protein to eat is to find my 'ideal
weight' (by an online calculator) and divide by 2.2 to get weight in kilos.
That is the amout of grams of protein I'm aiming for each day.

So, my 'ideal BW' is 131, divided by 2.2 equals ~60kg, so 60grams of
protein.

Let us know what you discover!

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From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
im4p5yc0
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:50 PM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] gaining weight on fast five?

... i have changed my diet a bit in the past few days to experiment with the
high fat low carb diets that most people are saying is helping them lose
weight.  ...! its odd, since i usually eat this way, before i started on
fast five, so i expected to contribute to weight loss rather than gain! does
anyone have any advice on this?



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i just checked the scale recently and found that i've gained about 3 pounds!
I've been strictly keeping in line with the fasting hours and most days eaten
below my usual daily caloric consumption. i have changed my diet a bit in the
past few days to experiment with the high fat low carb diets that most people
are saying is helping them lose weight.  i've been eating more eggs, meats and
cheeses than carbs, which usually makes up most of my diet usually.  on this
diet, i feel more satisfied, quicker and easier, and feel less pushed to keep
eating (as with the high carb diet i've been on).  but i've gained! its odd,
since i usually eat this way, before i started on fast five, so i expected to
contribute to weight loss rather than gain! does anyone have any advice on this?

Anyone looking for a FF buddy in NJ?  I've been doing FF for 3 months now and
would really like to find someone in my area who is interesting is FF-ing and
working hard to get in shape before the holidays.  If that sounds like something
you'd be interested in, hit me up!
jason8789@... :)  Keep up the great and inspiring work Everyone!  -j

Cool!

-----Original Message-----
From: fast5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fast5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
thentor
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:10 AM
To: fast5@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [fast5] New Fast-5 website

As part of the transition of Fast-5 from an LLC partnership to a
tax-deductible non-profit organization, I've been working on a renovated
version of the Fast-5 website. If you'd like to give it a look and be a
beta-tester for the forum, please see http://www.fast-five.org

The e-book conversion in French and English is not yet complete.
If everything else seems to be working well, I'll reassign the fast-5.com
domain name to point to the new site, so "www.fast-5.com" will remain the
primary website address of Fast-5.

Your suggestions on what to add / change / remove would be welcome. To keep
from cluttering this group with messages related to the new website please
use the contact form on the site or email me (bherring at fast-5.com) with
your comments/suggestions/critique or any problems you have with the
website.

Thanks,

Bert

Bert Herring
Fast-5 Corporation



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certain animal organs contain Vitamin C, like kidneys and adrenals.

--- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "RickS" <rstewart@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this Carolyn.  That's a fascinating article, especially
when it compares the dog, sheep, and 'man' in the chart at the end.  And the bit
about the Gorilla was interesting too.
>
> More research on my part is definitely in order on this subject.  I understand
that humans are one of only a handful of species that don't make their own
vitamin C.  What possible evolutionary situation would have considered that to
be a "good" trait and where can we get vitamin C without fruits or vegetables?
>
> -Rick
>
>
> --- In fast5@yahoogroups.com, "carolyn_graff" <zgraff@> wrote:
> >
> > here is a comparison of digestive tracts
> > http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/carn_herb_comparison.html
>

As part of the transition of Fast-5 from an LLC partnership to a tax-deductible
non-profit organization, I've been working on a renovated version of the Fast-5
website. If you'd like to give it a look and be a beta-tester for the forum,
please see http://www.fast-five.org

The e-book conversion in French and English is not yet complete.
If everything else seems to be working well, I'll reassign the fast-5.com domain
name to point to the new site, so "www.fast-5.com" will remain the primary
website address of Fast-5.

Your suggestions on what to add / change / remove would be welcome. To keep from
cluttering this group with messages related to the new website please use the
contact form on the site or email me (bherring at fast-5.com) with your
comments/suggestions/critique or any problems you have with the website.

Thanks,

Bert

Bert Herring
Fast-5 Corporation