hi donna, hi everyone,

following your answer to dianne
i would like to tell you that i am currently managing my dadīs case.
he is 75 years old and has recently (august 2005) been detected metastases
at liver and lungs of an original colon cancer (resected in 1993)
since then we are doing oxaliplatin+ FU + leucovorin chemotherapy.
after 10sessions every 15 days and tumor has partailly shrunk (40%).. but
oxaliplatinum has reached its maximum toxicity in his body and it will be
deleted in future chemo sessions.

i am always thinking of adding other things.... that is why i joined some
forums.

but.. i would like to propose therapies that have some scientific
background.

i read about your experience with oncolyn and papimi therapy and i would
like to ask you if you can send me links to scientific data on these or
other therapies.

i would like to ask everyone if you can guide me with aditional therapies
that have scientific background and donot collide with traditional
chemotherapy.

with best regards

marcelo
Uruguay



----- Original Message -----
From: <experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com>
To: <experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: [Experimental and Unconventional] Digest Number 475


> There are 5 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. My Brothers Wife
> From: "dianevespa" <dianevespa@...>
> 2. Re: My Brothers Wife
> From: Mel <>
> 3. Re: My Brothers Wife
> From: Mel <meldonna@...>
> 4. Re: My Brothers Wife
> From: "James Glass" <jglass@...>
> 5. Re: My Brothers Wife
> From: "Diane Vespa" <dianevespa@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:07:27 -0000
> From: "dianevespa" <dianevespa@...>
> Subject: My Brothers Wife
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am joining this group on behalf of my Dear Sister-in-Law, wife of
> my baby brother, and Mom to two adorable kids. Her name is Debbie.
> Two weeks ago she went in to see her Doctor because of a "flu" that
> didn't seem to go away, and swellings in her abdomen. A mere three
> days later, she was post surgery, with half of her colon removed,
> and a diagnosis of Stage 4 colon cancer mestasized to the liver.
> Needless to say, we are all in shock and a state of disbelief. She
> is 48 years old. I am coming to this board looking for
> advice/suggestions/support/hope really anything that we can turn in
> to hope for Debbie. She lives close to and is being treated in
> Elgin, IL. I am trying to encourage my Brother to take her to a
> larger clinic but he seems satisfied with the protocol prescribed by
> the smaller hospital. (Sherman) Apparently they confer with the
> larger hospitals. She will be getting chemotherapy the traditional
> way. They cannot inject it directly in to her liver because the
> cancer is too advanced. If we are overlooking anything or if I am
> missing "a big picture" please enlighten me. Thank you for reading
> and caring and on behalf of Debbie and Steve we look forward to any
> help.
>
> Diane Vespa
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:41:56 -0600
> From: Mel <meldonna@...>
> Subject: Re: My Brothers Wife
>
> Hello Diane .. first off please know Debbie will be in my prayers .. I
> understand she has had surgery and now the big concern is the cancer that
> has taken up residence in her liver ... I'm sure the chemo is the route to
> take now .... The chemo though can be enhanced as well as side effects
> reduced with certain alternative cancer treatments ..
> the cancer can be chased away and killed with cancer herbs and Papimi
> therapy .. I have was diagnosed with stage 3 colin cancer in July .. My
> Surgeon and My Endoscopic Dr were having a disagrement as what route to
> take as to best get this under control and cure ... surgery vs chemo and
> radiation prior to sugery .. I live in Canada .. and since there was an
> argument going on as to my treatment .. My hubby took me to Rocester Mn to
> the Mayo Clinic ... I spent $18,000.. but found out that Mayo would treat
> the tumor prior to surgery ...( this I know is not an option now for
> Debbie since she has had surgery ... what needs to happen now is to shrink
> .. steralize and destroy the liver tumor.
>
> I was introduced to Papimi therapy in July and had 30 treatments ... I
> know It shrunk the tumor .. no doubt in my mind .. I was also introduced
> to a cancer herb called Oncolyn ..and started taking it in Aug . I take 6
> caplets daily .. 2 -3X daily .. and know with out a doubt the Oncolyn has
> helped me stay strong and healthy by enhancing the chemo and reducing the
> side effects .. I did have surgery Dec 8 /05 .. the tumor was gone
> completely .. I saw with my own eyes during colonoscopy the day prior to
> .. the biopsy of the tumor site also revealed cancer free ... My sugeon
> removed all of the lympth nodes in the groin area at the same time .. 11
> in all .. one of which showed signs of cancer .. so now I'm having chemo
> again .. 5 days on ... 3 weeks off .. I will admit to a loss of appetite
> somewhat .. mainly because the taster isn't working .. and that I'm more
> tired than usual .. I also must say .. these side effects do not last long
> .. just a couple of days .. then daily I become stronger and healthier ...
> I will have my second week of chemo starting Feb 6 and would not ever
> think of not taking my Oncolyn .. check this cancer product out it has
> several patents in the US was discovered by Dr D'jang of New York .. it
> should be at your finger tips .. My supplier lives in Edmonton Alberta
> Canada .. Daryl Robinson..web site address www.inukshuk.com
> inukshuk means not to worry others have been there before ...
> Daryl is my rock .. he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer that began
> in his testicles ... His story and the stories of others that he has
> helped will give Debbie hope and knowledge ... Daryl is a man of God and
> I'm sure God works through him to heal all the people he can ..
> Again please let Debbie know there is hope .. Believe in God ..
> investigate the therapies and herb treatments that have worked for me and
> many others .. stay positive .. refuse to think negative thoughts ..
> surround herself with positive people ... and have faith .. I will most
> certainly be praying for her to give her the strength she requires to get
> through this health bump ... this adventure in life .. she will one day be
> helping others do the same ..
> May God Bless you and yours as well ... You are a wonderful sister in law
> Diane .. God is proud of you for taking on the role of lets get active and
> research what is out there ... God expects us to use our noodles to help
> in our own recovery .. he will guide the people to us that we need .. then
> it is up to us to get in charge of our recovery ... there is no doubt in
> my mind that God led me to Daryl Robinson and Oncolyn as well as to the
> Papimi therapy clinic in my town ... If I can help in any way please know
> I'm here ... at the other end of the keyboard. or phone if requied ..
> Sent with love .. Donna T, Saskatchewan, Canada
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: dianevespa
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:07 PM
> Subject: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am joining this group on behalf of my Dear Sister-in-Law, wife of
> my baby brother, and Mom to two adorable kids. Her name is Debbie.
> Two weeks ago she went in to see her Doctor because of a "flu" that
> didn't seem to go away, and swellings in her abdomen. A mere three
> days later, she was post surgery, with half of her colon removed,
> and a diagnosis of Stage 4 colon cancer mestasized to the liver.
> Needless to say, we are all in shock and a state of disbelief. She
> is 48 years old. I am coming to this board looking for
> advice/suggestions/support/hope really anything that we can turn in
> to hope for Debbie. She lives close to and is being treated in
> Elgin, IL. I am trying to encourage my Brother to take her to a
> larger clinic but he seems satisfied with the protocol prescribed by
> the smaller hospital. (Sherman) Apparently they confer with the
> larger hospitals. She will be getting chemotherapy the traditional
> way. They cannot inject it directly in to her liver because the
> cancer is too advanced. If we are overlooking anything or if I am
> missing "a big picture" please enlighten me. Thank you for reading
> and caring and on behalf of Debbie and Steve we look forward to any
> help.
>
> Diane Vespa
>
>
>
>
>
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> treatment Colon cancer
> Colon cancer prevention Colon cancer surgery Colon cancer
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>
>
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>
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>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:03:42 -0600
> From: Mel <meldonna@...>
> Subject: Re: My Brothers Wife
>
> I wonder why this comes back to me and not to Diane ... tell me what I
> have done wrong .. d
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mel
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> Hello Diane .. first off please know Debbie will be in my prayers .. I
> understand she has had surgery and now the big concern is the cancer that
> has taken up residence in her liver ... I'm sure the chemo is the route to
> take now .... The chemo though can be enhanced as well as side effects
> reduced with certain alternative cancer treatments ..
> the cancer can be chased away and killed with cancer herbs and Papimi
> therapy .. I have was diagnosed with stage 3 colin cancer in July .. My
> Surgeon and My Endoscopic Dr were having a disagrement as what route to
> take as to best get this under control and cure ... surgery vs chemo and
> radiation prior to sugery .. I live in Canada .. and since there was an
> argument going on as to my treatment .. My hubby took me to Rocester Mn to
> the Mayo Clinic ... I spent $18,000.. but found out that Mayo would treat
> the tumor prior to surgery ...( this I know is not an option now for
> Debbie since she has had surgery ... what needs to happen now is to shrink
> .. steralize and destroy the liver tumor.
>
> I was introduced to Papimi therapy in July and had 30 treatments ... I
> know It shrunk the tumor .. no doubt in my mind .. I was also introduced
> to a cancer herb called Oncolyn ..and started taking it in Aug . I take 6
> caplets daily .. 2 -3X daily .. and know with out a doubt the Oncolyn has
> helped me stay strong and healthy by enhancing the chemo and reducing the
> side effects .. I did have surgery Dec 8 /05 .. the tumor was gone
> completely .. I saw with my own eyes during colonoscopy the day prior to
> .. the biopsy of the tumor site also revealed cancer free ... My sugeon
> removed all of the lympth nodes in the groin area at the same time .. 11
> in all .. one of which showed signs of cancer .. so now I'm having chemo
> again .. 5 days on ... 3 weeks off .. I will admit to a loss of appetite
> somewhat .. mainly because the taster isn't working .. and that I'm more
> tired than usual .. I also must say .. these side effects do not last long
> .. just a couple of days .. then daily I inukshuk means not to worry
> others have been there before ...
> Daryl is my rock .. he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer that began
> in his testicles ... His story and the stories of others that he has
> helped will give Debbie hope and knowledge ... Daryl is a man of God and
> I'm sure God works through him to heal all the people he can ..
> Again please let Debbie know there is hope .. Believe in God ..
> investigate the therapies and herb treatments that have worked for me and
> many others .. stay positive .. refuse to think negative thoughts ..
> surround herself with positive people ... and have faith .. I will most
> certainly be praying for her to give her the strength she requires to get
> through this health bump ... this adventure in life .. she will one day be
> helping others do the same ..
> May God Bless you and yours as well ... You are a wonderful sister in law
> Diane .. God is proud of you for taking on the role of lets get active and
> research what is out there ... God expects us to use our noodles to help
> in our own recovery .. he will guide the people to us that we need .. then
> it is up to us to get in charge of our recovery ... there is no doubt in
> my mind that God led me to Daryl Robinson and Oncolyn as well as to the
> Papimi therapy clinic in my town ... If I can help in any way please know
> I'm here ... at the other end of the keyboard. or phone if requied ..
> Sent with love .. Donna T, Saskatchewan, Canada
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: dianevespa
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:07 PM
> Subject: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am joining this group on behalf of my Dear Sister-in-Law, wife of
> my baby brother, and Mom to two adorable kids. Her name is Debbie.
> Two weeks ago she went in to see her Doctor because of a "flu" that
> didn't seem to go away, and swellings in her abdomen. A mere three
> days later, she was post surgery, with half of her colon removed,
> and a diagnosis of Stage 4 colon cancer mestasized to the liver.
> Needless to say, we are all in shock and a state of disbelief. She
> is 48 years old. I am coming to this board looking for
> advice/suggestions/support/hope really anything that we can turn in
> to hope for Debbie. She lives close to and is being treated in
> Elgin, IL. I am trying to encourage my Brother to take her to a
> larger clinic but he seems satisfied with the protocol prescribed by
> the smaller hospital. (Sherman) Apparently they confer with the
> larger hospitals. She will be getting chemotherapy the traditional
> way. They cannot inject it directly in to her liver because the
> cancer is too advanced. If we are overlooking anything or if I am
> missing "a big picture" please enlighten me. Thank you for reading
> and caring and on behalf of Debbie and Steve we look forward to any
> help.
>
> Diane Vespa
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Colon cancer treatments Colon cancer alternative
> treatment Colon cancer
> Colon cancer prevention Colon cancer surgery Colon cancer
> diagnosis
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:04:52 -0500
> From: "James Glass" <jglass@...>
> Subject: Re: My Brothers Wife
>
> Johns Hopkins is the place to consult for liver cancer
>
>>>> meldonna@... 01/27/06 8:41 AM >>>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 08:24:59 -0600
> From: "Diane Vespa" <dianevespa@...>
> Subject: Re: My Brothers Wife
>
> Thank you Donna, for your suggestions and support. I am passing all the
> imparted pearls of wisdom on to my Brother and Sister in Law. Appreciate
> your help!
> Diane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mel
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> I wonder why this comes back to me and not to Diane ... tell me what I
> have done wrong .. d
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mel
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> Hello Diane .. first off please know Debbie will be in my prayers .. I
> understand she has had surgery and now the big concern is the cancer that
> has taken up residence in her liver ... I'm sure the chemo is the route to
> take now .... The chemo though can be enhanced as well as side effects
> reduced with certain alternative cancer treatments ..
> the cancer can be chased away and killed with cancer herbs and Papimi
> therapy .. I have was diagnosed with stage 3 colin cancer in July .. My
> Surgeon and My Endoscopic Dr were having a disagrement as what route to
> take as to best get this under control and cure ... surgery vs chemo and
> radiation prior to sugery .. I live in Canada .. and since there was an
> argument going on as to my treatment .. My hubby took me to Rocester Mn to
> the Mayo Clinic ... I spent $18,000.. but found out that Mayo would treat
> the tumor prior to surgery ...( this I know is not an option now for
> Debbie since she has had surgery ... what needs to happen now is to shrink
> .. steralize and destroy the liver tumor.
>
> I was introduced to Papimi therapy in July and had 30 treatments ... I
> know It shrunk the tumor .. no doubt in my mind .. I was also introduced
> to a cancer herb called Oncolyn ..and started taking it in Aug . I take 6
> caplets daily .. 2 -3X daily .. and know with out a doubt the Oncolyn has
> helped me stay strong and healthy by enhancing the chemo and reducing the
> side effects .. I did have surgery Dec 8 /05 .. the tumor was gone
> completely .. I saw with my own eyes during colonoscopy the day prior to
> .. the biopsy of the tumor site also revealed cancer free ... My sugeon
> removed all of the lympth nodes in the groin area at the same time .. 11
> in all .. one of which showed signs of cancer .. so now I'm having chemo
> again .. 5 days on ... 3 weeks off .. I will admit to a loss of appetite
> somewhat .. mainly because the taster isn't working .. and that I'm more
> tired than usual .. I also must say .. these side effects do not last long
> .. just a couple of days .. then daily I inukshuk means not to worry
> others have been there before ...
> Daryl is my rock .. he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer that
> began in his testicles ... His story and the stories of others that he has
> helped will give Debbie hope and knowledge ... Daryl is a man of God and
> I'm sure God works through him to heal all the people he can ..
> Again please let Debbie know there is hope .. Believe in God ..
> investigate the therapies and herb treatments that have worked for me and
> many others .. stay positive .. refuse to think negative thoughts ..
> surround herself with positive people ... and have faith .. I will most
> certainly be praying for her to give her the strength she requires to get
> through this health bump ... this adventure in life .. she will one day be
> helping others do the same ..
> May God Bless you and yours as well ... You are a wonderful sister in
> law Diane .. God is proud of you for taking on the role of lets get active
> and research what is out there ... God expects us to use our noodles to
> help in our own recovery .. he will guide the people to us that we need ..
> then it is up to us to get in charge of our recovery ... there is no doubt
> in my mind that God led me to Daryl Robinson and Oncolyn as well as to the
> Papimi therapy clinic in my town ... If I can help in any way please know
> I'm here ... at the other end of the keyboard. or phone if requied ..
> Sent with love .. Donna T, Saskatchewan, Canada
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: dianevespa
> To: experimentalandunconventional@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:07 PM
> Subject: [Experimental and Unconventional] My Brothers Wife
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am joining this group on behalf of my Dear Sister-in-Law, wife of
> my baby brother, and Mom to two adorable kids. Her name is Debbie.
> Two weeks ago she went in to see her Doctor because of a "flu" that
> didn't seem to go away, and swellings in her abdomen. A mere three
> days later, she was post surgery, with half of her colon removed,
> and a diagnosis of Stage 4 colon cancer mestasized to the liver.
> Needless to say, we are all in shock and a state of disbelief. She
> is 48 years old. I am coming to this board looking for
> advice/suggestions/support/hope really anything that we can turn in
> to hope for Debbie. She lives close to and is being treated in
> Elgin, IL. I am trying to encourage my Brother to take her to a
> larger clinic but he seems satisfied with the protocol prescribed by
> the smaller hospital. (Sherman) Apparently they confer with the
> larger hospitals. She will be getting chemotherapy the traditional
> way. They cannot inject it directly in to her liver because the
> cancer is too advanced. If we are overlooking anything or if I am
> missing "a big picture" please enlighten me. Thank you for reading
> and caring and on behalf of Debbie and Steve we look forward to any
> help.
>
> Diane Vespa
>
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS Colon cancer treatments Colon cancer alternative
> treatment Colon cancer
> Colon cancer prevention Colon cancer surgery Colon cancer
> diagnosis
>
>
>
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