I was the Equine Supervisor at a large Eating Disorders Clinic in
Arizona and had a herd of 18 or so horses. All of our horses were
used for riding lessons, EAP activities and trail riding. What we
found was that certain horses were talented in some EAP activities
but not others, so we tried to match up the horses with the
activity.

For instance, some horses were really good at Temptation Alley...
(with a rider :-)... while others were really fun to use in Lifes
Little Obstacles. All were ridable no matter what else we used them
for however.

At the time I worked at this facility, all of our horses had to be
used in a mix of activities, as we could not keep a horse that was
not a good fit. What we found is that the bigger variety the better.
What we also found out was that our horses were much more relaxed
and happy to do whatever task was at hand.

I am now getting ready to open my own business and I will also use
all of my horses for lessons, EAP activities and trail riding. Just
like we try to get our clients to "think outside the box," horse
owners and EAL practitioners need to do the same. We are only
limited by our own prejudices and fears.

So.... be on the lookout for Stable Innovations... we are up and
coming in Arizona.

Faith Knutson
ponyhugger1@...

--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "jj_ranch2002"
<jj_ranch2002@...> wrote:
>
> I would appreciate anyone's opinions but please be specific to
answer
> if you impliment both a riding program and EAP or EAl or if you
use the
> horses for any other programs. I have a reason for asking these
> questions and I have my own opinion but would truly appreciate
your
> experiences and how you utilize horses in what you do.
>
> I have a question that I would like to ask all those who are doing
a
> riding program and utilizing EAP or EAL. Please feel free to
answer or
> offer your opinion but be specific of the types of programs you
offer.
> My question is do you use seperate horses for your EAP and
seperate (or
> different ones) for your riding lessons? Then if you could please
> answer why and why not.
>
> Thanks for your time. Hope all is well with everyone.
>
> Char Riale
>

I would appreciate anyone's opinions but please be specific to answer
if you impliment both a riding program and EAP or EAl or if you use the
horses for any other programs. I have a reason for asking these
questions and I have my own opinion but would truly appreciate your
experiences and how you utilize horses in what you do.

I have a question that I would like to ask all those who are doing a
riding program and utilizing EAP or EAL. Please feel free to answer or
offer your opinion but be specific of the types of programs you offer.
My question is do you use seperate horses for your EAP and seperate (or
different ones) for your riding lessons? Then if you could please
answer why and why not.

Thanks for your time. Hope all is well with everyone.

Char Riale

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Friday, November 9th, 2007
6:30-9:00 pm

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I had the same problem with their old one as well. I have a big
monitor too but still can't get it all on there without scrolling
around. Maybe it's just how it is designed.
Lydia





<hoofprintsintime@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I have a techie question for the computer gurus in the
bunch.
> Do you have a way to get the whole OK Corral webpage on your
computer
> screen?  I have to use the horizontal scroll bar to read across the
screen.
> I don't usually have the problem with other web pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hoofprints in Time...Equine Assisted Life Coach
> Sharon Westmoreland
> www.hoofprintsintime.net
> Cell: 512-809-8566
>

Perhaps 'Kermit'-the frog>> knows the meaning...and our horses
certainly know that:'THE GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE'!!!
"When will we truly learn??..that'the-green-eyed' monster is present in
each of us!!![LET US NOT FORGET]...'THAT THE HORSE', NOT ONLY PROVIDES
YOUR INCOME...BUT PROVIDES SOMETHING MUCH LARGER THAN YOURSELVES!!!

Just wanted to introduce myself,
Cyber Dave

Jennifer and Greg,
Fantic job on the new website. Members you should check it out if you
already haven't. Also, Great job on the newsletter. Keep up the good
work being the leaders in the feild.

----- Original Message -----

From: jeanne

To: equineassisted@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 9/28/2007 6:13:49 PM

Subject: [equineassisted] seminar in OCT

We have room in our EAP Team building Seminar October 5-7^th.  It will be in Arapaho OK. Arapaho is 85 miles from the Will Rodgers World Air Port in OKC, an easy drive.  About 2 ˝ hours from Amarillo TX.  We need to know with some advanced notice for meal planning, but would love to have you even if it is at the last minute.  We will make the food work J 

Oklahoma has 10 perfect day sin a year and they are all in October, so ya’ll come and join us!

You can email me or OKCorral for details and to save a spot.

Jeanne Stucker

www.hobbyacres.homestead.com

www.srci.homestead.com

--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "jj_ranch2002"
<jj_ranch2002@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to get some of you horse people out there who run
riding
> lesson programs along with EAP programs. My question is do you use
> your horses that you use for riding lessons and also use them for
> EAP? Or do you have horses you use for riding lessons and seperate
> horses you use for EAP? And why??
>
> I have only been at my new job for 3 months. It is a residential
> program for kids and they have been doing EAP for 4 years. They
have
> a new horse person who is doing the riding lessons, she may have
been
> there for a year or less. This person went to one of the trainings
> for OK Corral but did not like it and felt it was too hard on the
> horses. She observed an activity during one of the EAP sessions
> (using only the older mares who are no longer used for riding
> lessons) and observed a group of male adolescents using a piece of
> PVC pipe and a plastic milk crate to make noise to make the horses
> move (Lesson was Equine Billiards) She felt that the noise the boys
> made was too disturbing to use the lesson horses and that it would
> ruin them as they are younger horses and would react more to the
> noise.
>
> I am just wondering how other people see EAP used and if any of you
> feel there is any "damage" that might be done to lesson horses for
> riding and should not be used for EAP.
>
> Courious.........Char

I have been working at Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch for the past
seven years, we use the horses for both horsemanship class and EAP.
I think the horses prefer the EAP over the horsemanship class as they
are able to be themselves.  That is what is fun about EAP.  I have
learned to "back off" the horse owner mode, and allow the sessions to
progress (barring any severe saftey issues).  Our horses are very
comfortable with EAP and become specialist in different activities.
I have one horse, age 18 yrs., that is extremely afraid of paper and
plastic, and we use that for certain EAP activities, and in the
horsemanship class as well.  It is powerful for the youth to see the
reaction and then try to change to accomidate the horse.  It sounds
like your horse specialists needs to switch hats for EAP.  It is a
difficult step to take when you are worried about the welfare of the
horses, but actually, it helps the riding horses not be overly
sensitive, which the lessons horses need to overcome be "safe". The
more EAP activities that you do, hopefully, the more relaxed your
horse person will become and then the "real stuff" will happen.
Hope this helps   Leslie

Betsy,

I do understand the Equine Side of it as I am an
Equine Specialist my self. The woman I am speaking of
is not playing the role of Equine Specialist but as
Riding Instructor only, which are two seperate things
at our facility and probably at most if not all. As
the horse person believe me I am fully aware of the
differences in opinions as I believe we run into all
the time which is the way it should be as we need to
stay focused on our goals and always consider others
opinions. And yes I did ask her what she meant by what
she said as we as an organization and being the the
horse parts of the residential treatment facility we
want to work this out and try to understand each
person's perspective.

I am only recently since last May when I graduated
with my MSW degree, the therapist. My main concern at
this point is one, she came by and watched this
particular session, in secret as no one even knew she
was there, and did not come in to state her concerns
at the time.

>>This gives much more insight into the dynamics involved. It is easy to see why you would be hurt by her comments. It takes a lot of work and effort to bring in a training!!<<

We have since requested that she come by
the arena to watch and discuss any of her concerns
which she has not done as yet, but hopefully she will.
We do want this to be a win/win for both programs.

>>I couldn't agree more. What has worked for me in other horse arenas, is to keep the focus on the kids. If someone complains to me, I turn it around and ask is this what is best for the kids involved?<<

Thank you for your feed back as it made me realize
that I thought I had explained things very well and
again see how communication is so important in what we
do.

Char Riale

Congratulations on your MSW!!!  :-)

As always, take what works and ditch the rest...

Betsy

.

Betsy,

I do understand the Equine Side of it as I am an
Equine Specialist my self. The woman I am speaking of
is not playing the role of Equine Specialist but as
Riding Instructor only, which are two seperate things
at our facility and probably at most if not all. As
the horse person believe me I am fully aware of the
differences in opinions as I believe we run into all
the time which is the way it should be as we need to
stay focused on our goals and always consider others
opinions. And yes I did ask her what she meant by what
she said as we as an organization and being the the
horse parts of the residential treatment facility we
want to work this out and try to understand each
person's perspective.

I am only recently since last May when I graduated
with my MSW degree, the therapist. My main concern at
this point is one, she came by and watched this
particular session, in secret as no one even knew she
was there, and did not come in to state her concerns
at the time. We have since requested that she come by
the arena to watch and discuss any of her concerns
which she has not done as yet, but hopefully she will.
We do want this to be a win/win for both programs.

Thank you for your feed back as it made me realize
that I thought I had explained things very well and
again see how communication is so important in what we
do.

Char Riale
--- Betsy Rice <inhishandsstables@...> wrote:

> Char,
>
>   My take on this is a little different.You have
> been working with her in sessions for three months.
> My understanding is that this did not come up during
> a session but rather a training. Did you ask her
> what she meant by what she said? You will either
> trust her judgment as the Equine Specialist or
> not...I believe that is the issue at hand.
>
>   Everyone's horsemanship journey is different. I'll
> compare it to dog ownership for clarity although it
> in no way is the same. Some dog owners allow their
> dogs on the furniture and some do not. Some people
> keep their horses in stalls all day except when
> taking them out to school them. Others think that is
> close to abuse considering it denies the horse the
> opportunity for social interactions, a more natural
> eating pattern and is better for their hooves. Some
> people pull to stop, others exhale and their horse
> stops. Others kick to go, others lift their energy.
> I'm saying this to show you that there is a wide
> range of horse handling methods used. Do you see the
> differences and how they would bring differences to
> the Equine Specialist role? I'm not as familiar with
> the therapeutic modalities but I know there are many
> and various. As Equine Specialists, we don't have
> the body of research behind our techniques.
>
>   It would perhaps be helpful for the two of you to
> work with a horse together and allow her to show you
> the horse behavior aspects while you show her the
> therapy opportunities of the horse being a horse.
> The more training in this field each of you gets the
> clearer your role and the other person's role
> becomes. There are a myriad of methods that 'get the
> job done' in helping others, utilizing the unique
> abilities of the horse.
>
>   Just my thoughts, take what you can use and leave
> the rest. :-)
>   Betsy
>
> J_ranch2002 <jj_ranch2002@...> wrote:
>           I would like to get some of you horse
> people out there who run riding
> lesson programs along with EAP programs. My question
> is do you use
> your horses that you use for riding lessons and also
> use them for
> EAP? Or do you have horses you use for riding
> lessons and seperate
> horses you use for EAP? And why??
>
> I have only been at my new job for 3 months. It is a
> residential
> program for kids and they have been doing EAP for 4
> years. They have
> a new horse person who is doing the riding lessons,
> she may have been
> there for a year or less. This person went to one of
> the trainings
> for OK Corral but did not like it and felt it was
> too hard on the
> horses. She observed an activity during one of the
> EAP sessions
> (using only the older mares who are no longer used
> for riding
> lessons) and observed a group of male adolescents
> using a piece of
> PVC pipe and a plastic milk crate to make noise to
> make the horses
> move (Lesson was Equine Billiards) She felt that the
> noise the boys
> made was too disturbing to use the lesson horses and
> that it would
> ruin them as they are younger horses and would react
> more to the
> noise.
>
> I am just wondering how other people see EAP used
> and if any of you
> feel there is any "damage" that might be done to
> lesson horses for
> riding and should not be used for EAP.
>
> Courious.........Char
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I would like to get some of you horse people out there who run riding
lesson programs along with EAP programs. My question is do you use
your horses that you use for riding lessons and also use them for
EAP? Or do you have horses you use for riding lessons and seperate
horses you use for EAP? And why??

I have only been at my new job for 3 months. It is a residential
program for kids and they have been doing EAP for 4 years. They have
a new horse person who is doing the riding lessons, she may have been
there for a year or less. This person went to one of the trainings
for OK Corral but did not like it and felt it was too hard on the
horses. She observed an activity during one of the EAP sessions
(using only the older mares who are no longer used for riding
lessons) and observed a group of male adolescents using a piece of
PVC pipe and a plastic milk crate to make noise to make the horses
move (Lesson was Equine Billiards) She felt that the noise the boys
made was too disturbing to use the lesson horses and that it would
ruin them as they are younger horses and would react more to the
noise.

I am just wondering how other people see EAP used and if any of you
feel there is any "damage" that might be done to lesson horses for
riding and should not be used for EAP.

Courious.........Char

-- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "jj_ranch2002"
<jj_ranch2002@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to get some of you horse people out there who run riding
> lesson programs along with EAP programs. My question is do you use
> your horses that you use for riding lessons and also use them for
> EAP? Or do you have horses you use for riding lessons and seperate
> horses you use for EAP? And why??
>
> I have only been at my new job for 3 months. It is a residential
> program for kids and they have been doing EAP for 4 years. They have
> a new horse person who is doing the riding lessons, she may have been
> there for a year or less. This person went to one of the trainings
> for OK Corral but did not like it and felt it was too hard on the
> horses. She observed an activity during one of the EAP sessions
> (using only the older mares who are no longer used for riding
> lessons) and observed a group of male adolescents using a piece of
> PVC pipe and a plastic milk crate to make noise to make the horses
> move (Lesson was Equine Billiards) She felt that the noise the boys
> made was too disturbing to use the lesson horses and that it would
> ruin them as they are younger horses and would react more to the
> noise.
>
> I am just wondering how other people see EAP used and if any of you
> feel there is any "damage" that might be done to lesson horses for
> riding and should not be used for EAP.
>
> Courious.........Char


   Hi Char -

    I use my horses for both and have no problem. Of course, all horses
are individuals, so if a certain activity bothers them, just change
the activity. The possibilities are endless. I find that the horses
love to cooperate in whatever we want to do , as a rule.
>

I would like to get some of you horse people out there who run riding
lesson programs along with EAP programs. My question is do you use
your horses that you use for riding lessons and also use them for
EAP? Or do you have horses you use for riding lessons and seperate
horses you use for EAP? And why??

I have only been at my new job for 3 months. It is a residential
program for kids and they have been doing EAP for 4 years. They have
a new horse person who is doing the riding lessons, she may have been
there for a year or less. This person went to one of the trainings
for OK Corral but did not like it and felt it was too hard on the
horses. She observed an activity during one of the EAP sessions
(using only the older mares who are no longer used for riding
lessons) and observed a group of male adolescents using a piece of
PVC pipe and a plastic milk crate to make noise to make the horses
move (Lesson was Equine Billiards) She felt that the noise the boys
made was too disturbing to use the lesson horses and that it would
ruin them as they are younger horses and would react more to the
noise.

I am just wondering how other people see EAP used and if any of you
feel there is any "damage" that might be done to lesson horses for
riding and should not be used for EAP.

Courious.........Char

Scavenger hunts are good.  Use grooming tools, bits, etc.  It is
active and fun in discovery and learning.

In our Mothers & Daughters workshop, we have found that reflective
work does not seem to appeal to middle schoolers - like observing
herd behavior. Pam

Pam Salem - East TN
www.horizonfarmEAGLCENTER.com
www.equineassistedassets.com

Hi Karebou!

Several seminars (including one or two purples) are still in the works for 2008.

When a person becomes a "host,"  they are generally allowed to choose which
seminar they
would like to present.  In order to host a purple seminar, the host will need to
have an
established clientele whom they can share with the seminar participants.  This,
in addition to
some additional paperwork re: confidentiality, liability, etc, may be why
"purple hosts" are
fewer.

If you are interested in being a purple host, just contact us at the office for
more info and
potential dates!

Thank You!
Jennifer Kersten

Hey Jasmine.
We did a summer program with middle school kids which worked out quite well.
We split the kids up into group of 5-6. The number is arbitrary, depending on
how many
kids and support you have.

Of course, we started with our safety talk, them followed with this task:

The activity: As a team, the kids were to prepare the horse for inspection.
In our activity the horse became the client/student and the kids became the
supporting
staff. The kids became a team, roll playing these different psitions: the
leader, the
councilor, the teacher, the parent(s), and the horse groomer(s).

Only the leader could talk to everyone, and was to make sure the task was done
"right".
The councilor and parent(s) could talk only to the leader, and only about safety
issues.
They each were to make notes (provided w/ clip board & paper), which are
reviewed after
inspection.
The groomer(s) were not allowed to talk.
Consequence was applied if any talking occurred that was out of roll, or
inappropriate.

During processing afterward, we asked them each to discribe which roll they were
most
comfortable with and which they were least comfortable with.

It was amazing the appreciation the gleaned from playing the different rolls.

Sharon Hargett
The Ancient Art of Healing

Hi All,

Just wanted some feedback from others in terms of group activies. I
have 25 middle school kids coming for a couple hours.  I am looking for
a creative way to split them up into smaller groups and yet keep every
engaged.  I have an idea of what I want to do but thought I'd check in
& see what has worked for others.

Thanks for any feedback you would like to provide!

Jasmine