Greg and Jennifer,
Thank you for keeping us updated on the plans for the Corral
Gathering. It will no dought be a wonderful learning experience for
all of us. I am really looking forward to being there and meeting
many new people doing this work to network with.
Bob




--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Kersten" <re-ride@...>
wrote:
>
> O.K. Now I see how to do it - When you hit reply, you have to
change the " To"  field to the
> whole group (I think).
>
> There is a preliminary flier for the Corral Gathering on the
website - just go to " calendar"
> and you can get a brief description of the event.  We have
preliminary confirmation of the
> following presenters:  Ed Dabney (horse clinician),  Charlie Keyes
(Guinness Book of World
> Records Roper), Mental Health Presentations by Greg and the O.K.
Corral (of course),
> EFMHA (lookin' real good), and we have not received a reply from
EPONA or EAGALA folks
> yet.
>
> We will get the details on the web site as soon as they are
available! Hope to see you
> there!!!
>
> Jennifer Kersten
>
>
>
> --- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "lovemyred_qh" <trumpx@>
wrote:
> >
> > This sounds really great!
> > **I am new to the group, so Hi to all from Illinois**
> >
> > Where can I find out more info. about this, like the dates and
so
> > forth?
> >
> > Thanks alot-  Amy
> >
> >
> > --- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Kersten" <re-ride@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am sending this as a reply to Bob's post, but I was afraid
to
> > just
> > > hit "reply" after what Sally said about it not going to anyone
> > > except the person you are replying to!
> > >
> > > We are making big plans for the gathering and can tell you the
> > > following so far:  There will be a reputable horse clinician -
or
> > > two, we are also scheduling ranch roping and trick roping type
> > > demos/workshops.  Of course there will be EAP demos!  Dutch
Oven
> > > cooking, a tack auction, and even local horses for sale.
> > >
> > > It is like a conference - old west style.  Nephi, Utah is a
cute
> > > little cowtown about two hours south of the Salt Lake
Airport.  It
> > > is easy to find and hotels are modest and inexpensive.  Best
of
> > all,
> > > we are looking to keep the whole price under $300 for 3 days
of
> > > activities.
> > >
> > > Be sure to stay tuned to the website as we will post
everything as
> > > we confirm it.
> > >
> > > Thanks for allowinf a little shameless self-promotion!
> > >
> > > Jennifer
> > >
> >
>

O.K. Now I see how to do it - When you hit reply, you have to change the " To" 
field to the
whole group (I think).

There is a preliminary flier for the Corral Gathering on the website - just go
to " calendar"
and you can get a brief description of the event.  We have preliminary
confirmation of the
following presenters:  Ed Dabney (horse clinician),  Charlie Keyes (Guinness
Book of World
Records Roper), Mental Health Presentations by Greg and the O.K. Corral (of
course),
EFMHA (lookin' real good), and we have not received a reply from EPONA or EAGALA
folks
yet.

We will get the details on the web site as soon as they are available! Hope to
see you
there!!!

Jennifer Kersten



--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "lovemyred_qh" <trumpx@...> wrote:
>
> This sounds really great!
> **I am new to the group, so Hi to all from Illinois**
>
> Where can I find out more info. about this, like the dates and so
> forth?
>
> Thanks alot-  Amy
>
>
> --- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Kersten" <re-ride@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am sending this as a reply to Bob's post, but I was afraid to
> just
> > hit "reply" after what Sally said about it not going to anyone
> > except the person you are replying to!
> >
> > We are making big plans for the gathering and can tell you the
> > following so far:  There will be a reputable horse clinician - or
> > two, we are also scheduling ranch roping and trick roping type
> > demos/workshops.  Of course there will be EAP demos!  Dutch Oven
> > cooking, a tack auction, and even local horses for sale.
> >
> > It is like a conference - old west style.  Nephi, Utah is a cute
> > little cowtown about two hours south of the Salt Lake Airport.  It
> > is easy to find and hotels are modest and inexpensive.  Best of
> all,
> > we are looking to keep the whole price under $300 for 3 days of
> > activities.
> >
> > Be sure to stay tuned to the website as we will post everything as
> > we confirm it.
> >
> > Thanks for allowinf a little shameless self-promotion!
> >
> > Jennifer
> >
>

This sounds really great!
**I am new to the group, so Hi to all from Illinois**

Where can I find out more info. about this, like the dates and so
forth?

Thanks alot-  Amy


--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Kersten" <re-ride@...>
wrote:
>
> I am sending this as a reply to Bob's post, but I was afraid to
just
> hit "reply" after what Sally said about it not going to anyone
> except the person you are replying to!
>
> We are making big plans for the gathering and can tell you the
> following so far:  There will be a reputable horse clinician - or
> two, we are also scheduling ranch roping and trick roping type
> demos/workshops.  Of course there will be EAP demos!  Dutch Oven
> cooking, a tack auction, and even local horses for sale.
>
> It is like a conference - old west style.  Nephi, Utah is a cute
> little cowtown about two hours south of the Salt Lake Airport.  It
> is easy to find and hotels are modest and inexpensive.  Best of
all,
> we are looking to keep the whole price under $300 for 3 days of
> activities.
>
> Be sure to stay tuned to the website as we will post everything as
> we confirm it.
>
> Thanks for allowinf a little shameless self-promotion!
>
> Jennifer
>

Nicki,

I too was a riding instructor, barn owner, manager etc for years. I
made sure the insurance carrier I was using for those activities
also covered EAP. Not really a problem. I used Goetz Insurors out of
Colorado. 1-970-867-8246, Kelley Baugh. They are familiar with EAP
activities. Just explain to her what your needs are.

I would not use the word therapy unless you have a mental health
professional involved in your sessions. Therapeutic riding generally
refers to sessions involving a physical or occupational therapist or
a speech language pathologist. Tricky territory but best to be very
clear about what you are offering.

In reference to what Anne is saying about an EAP team - Once I
worked as the horse professional in a team that actually worked well
together, synergistically, if you will; I was hooked. Our EAP team
consisted of Anne, the psychologist; me; Gazelle, the horse most
often enlisted and the client of course. Anne and Gazelle were able
to glide through the most delicate situations wtih such dexterity
and skill they absolutely maximized the healing made by the clients.
Most of the time I just had to hold my mouth shut because it was
often hanging open in amazement and wonder. Over the years, I've
worked with other excellent mental health professionals and I've
worked with some therapists I wouldn't care to work with ever again.

In short, I hope you are able to put together a great team. There
are excellent professionals in every field. (and crappy ones too!)

Sally A. Carlon
Albuquerque, NM


--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "anne4s123" <anne4s123@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Nicki,
>
> Nice to see a fellow Wisconsinite on the board.  I'm actually not
sure
> if I'm just responding to you or responding to the whole group.  I
> still don't quite have that figured out.  I wanted to comment on
your
> post, but also make a more general comment.  The more general
comment
> will make the more specific comment make more sense.  I'm a
clinical
> psychologist and have held licenses in four states.  Given my
> profession, I'm of the old school of EAP and really value the
> combination of equine professional and therapist.  I feel
extremely
> nervous whenever I hear somebody talking about using the
> word "therapy" without having a therapist at least standing around
> looking useful.  Bob is absolutely right about the potential legal
> ramifications.  On the other hand, having worked with a highly
skilled
> equine professional who has more insight than many therapists, I
also
> see the value of non-therapists doing this work (which is, whether
you
> call it therapy or not, extremely therapeutic).  The important
thing
> is to make sure that the non-therapist is making no claims of
treating
> any diagnosed (or diagnosable) mental health condition.
>
> I haven't seen much from other therapists on the message board.  I
> sincerely hope this can be a forum for open dialogue between
> therapists and equine professionals.  I have the impression there
may
> have been some bad experiences.  It doesn't have to be like that
> (right Sally?)
>
> Best of luck with your endeavor in Madison.
>
> Anne Fors
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
> --- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "findawayfarm"
> <findawayfarm@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone, I've been a riding instructor for 30 years, an
open
> show
> > judge, rider/trainer ans stable manager and I'm just getting
into
> the
> > EEL/EAP stuff  (on a more coherent basis. we want to do a one
day
> > seesion in July, but have questions regardinfg insurance. Is it
> death
> > to use the word "therapy"? What do other people do? Any help or
> > suggestions are welcome. thanks  Nicki Butler Madison,Wis
> >
>

Hi Nicki,

Nice to see a fellow Wisconsinite on the board.  I'm actually not sure
if I'm just responding to you or responding to the whole group.  I
still don't quite have that figured out.  I wanted to comment on your
post, but also make a more general comment.  The more general comment
will make the more specific comment make more sense.  I'm a clinical
psychologist and have held licenses in four states.  Given my
profession, I'm of the old school of EAP and really value the
combination of equine professional and therapist.  I feel extremely
nervous whenever I hear somebody talking about using the
word "therapy" without having a therapist at least standing around
looking useful.  Bob is absolutely right about the potential legal
ramifications.  On the other hand, having worked with a highly skilled
equine professional who has more insight than many therapists, I also
see the value of non-therapists doing this work (which is, whether you
call it therapy or not, extremely therapeutic).  The important thing
is to make sure that the non-therapist is making no claims of treating
any diagnosed (or diagnosable) mental health condition.

I haven't seen much from other therapists on the message board.  I
sincerely hope this can be a forum for open dialogue between
therapists and equine professionals.  I have the impression there may
have been some bad experiences.  It doesn't have to be like that
(right Sally?)

Best of luck with your endeavor in Madison.

Anne Fors
Milwaukee, WI


--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "findawayfarm"
<findawayfarm@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone, I've been a riding instructor for 30 years, an open
show
> judge, rider/trainer ans stable manager and I'm just getting into
the
> EEL/EAP stuff  (on a more coherent basis. we want to do a one day
> seesion in July, but have questions regardinfg insurance. Is it
death
> to use the word "therapy"? What do other people do? Any help or
> suggestions are welcome. thanks  Nicki Butler Madison,Wis
>

The week is just about over and I had a great week working with people
and horses. This message board has been quite this week and I was just
wondering how everyone else was doing.
Bob

Nicki,
Your right. Sometimes it is therapy to just sit on a fence and look
out into the pasture. The problem starts when people start
misrepresenting themselves as therapists or some other professional
title. As long as you dont misrepresent yourself to be practicing
outside your qualifications, and you state openly that you are not a
therapist you "should" be OK with the phrase equine therapy. To be on
the safe side you may want to consider referring to the work you do as
equine assisted activities or learning.
Bob

Hey everyone, I've been a riding instructor for 30 years, an open show
judge, rider/trainer ans stable manager and I'm just getting into the
EEL/EAP stuff  (on a more coherent basis. we want to do a one day
seesion in July, but have questions regardinfg insurance. Is it death
to use the word "therapy"? What do other people do? Any help or
suggestions are welcome. thanks  Nicki Butler Madison,Wis

Jean,
I encourage you to continue ondoing your riding lessons. Develop a
curriculum, plan or style, or use someone elses theraputic riding
lesson to provide a structured lesson plan with your clients. If you
provide an emotionally and phisically safe environment for your
clients, and have respect for your limitations and boundaries, as well
as provide professional service, you can acomplish great success
without a therapist. I am not opposed to working with licensed
therapists and counselors and do so on a regular basis, but I also
work on my own (EAL) and this work also provides fantastic results.
Good luck
Bob

Ken,

Hi, I too am located in North Texas, Flower Mound to be exact. Wherre are you
located. I have been doing equine assisted counseling for the past 3 years at
Rocky
Top Therapy Center in Keller, Texas. But, now I am ready to go out on my own, it
probalbly helps that I just got my LPC too. I am also a registered play
therapist and
your idea of doing parentin with horese sounds interesting.

Kicking Kay

Hi Group,
I live in the North Texas area and am curious if there are any that
are apart that live in the this area or the Oklahoma area. Also has
anyone done any parenting classes using the horses? What topics did
you discuss? I am looking for some info. to possibly begin some
classes. Thanks

In Christ,
Ken Cates

I am sending this as a reply to Bob's post, but I was afraid to just
hit "reply" after what Sally said about it not going to anyone
except the person you are replying to!

We are making big plans for the gathering and can tell you the
following so far:  There will be a reputable horse clinician - or
two, we are also scheduling ranch roping and trick roping type
demos/workshops.  Of course there will be EAP demos!  Dutch Oven
cooking, a tack auction, and even local horses for sale.

It is like a conference - old west style.  Nephi, Utah is a cute
little cowtown about two hours south of the Salt Lake Airport.  It
is easy to find and hotels are modest and inexpensive.  Best of all,
we are looking to keep the whole price under $300 for 3 days of
activities.

Be sure to stay tuned to the website as we will post everything as
we confirm it.

Thanks for allowinf a little shameless self-promotion!

Jennifer

Hi group,
It's been real quiet here the last week and I just wanted to see how
everyone is doing. Hope your all getting ready for a happy Fathers Day.

Bob

Is any one making plans on going to the corral get together in Nephi
in October? What are the presenters going to present on?

Thanks for the quick reponse Jean. Check out my website at
www.dualkingranch.com Also,
hang in there I think the corral will be a great place for you to get
ideas on how to approach your area with equine assisted learning
activites that can have a positive impact on peoples lives.
Bob

I just wanted to post this message to let everyone know how happy I am
that I made the decision to follow Greg into the corral. From time to
time I check back on the EAGALA forum and it is becoming increasingly
obvious that eagala has become an association for therapists, run by
therapists, or puppets of therapists. There have been a quite a few
posts on the forum from therapists referring to the equine specialist
or ES as they are now calling them as "their" ES. Sorry but I don't
want to be owned by a therapist. Thank God for Greg and Jennifer and
the work they are doing for us and the Corral.
Bob




Bob

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: sacww@...
To: equineassited@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FW: Re: Hello from New Mexico
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 04:51:46 +0000

Dear All at the OK Corral,

 

I think I just figured out that you have to click the correct box on the yahoo site, otherwise the reply emails go only to the person you are answering not the whole group on the yahoo sight. Hi Anne! I didn't see your email on the yahoo group site and them I anwered two emails one to Bob and one to Spence and didn't see them posted either. Anyway hi everyone and I am forwarding this email from Anne to the group.

 

Sally

 

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: "anne4s123" <anne4s123@...>
To: "sallycarlon" <sacww@...>
Subject: Re: Hello from New Mexico
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:55:46 +0000

Hello to all OK members (and specifically to Sally - you found me!)

I was once the other half of Sally's EAP team in New Mexico. It was
a wonderful experience, and I'm happy to see New Mexico being
increasingly well represented in the Corral. I am currently working
in a child/adolescent day treatment program in Wisconsin.
Unfortunately, we have no horses to work with in this program, but I
can speak from previous experience to the incredible power of
incorporating horses into helping work. Best to all.

Anne Fors, Ph.D.


--- In equineassisted@yahoogroups.com, "sallycarlon"
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Who are the members in the OK Corral equine assisted group? I am
> feeling less than "OK" because I have been unable to figure out
how
> to view all the previous messages.
>
> I am from Albuquerque, NM, and currently working on an equine
> assisted program on the To'Hajiilee Navajo Reservation in
> conjunction with the University of New Mexico. I used to have my
own
> facility to work out of, horses and all, but now I work with other
> people's horses and as a consultant.
>
> I hear there is another member of OK Corral here in New Mexico.
Who
> are you? Where are you? Hopefully, we can figure out how to host
an
> OK Corral Event here in NM.
>
> Hi Mr. DualKingBob, you seem to be a person of many words! I look
> forward to hearing more (actually, it would be reading more)about
> you and what you are doing.
>
> Anne F. (y ou know who you are) are you a member of OKness? Your
land
> in Angel Fire awaits you.
>
> Anyway, Hope to meet more of you soon,
>
> Sally A. Carlon
> 505.681.3819
>

Sally,
Sorry but I haven't been able to get Claire Barr's number for you yet.
I just wanted to let you know I haven't forgot. If you find her let me
know, as I will continue to find a way to reach her also.
Bob

Hello members,
I am currently writing an equine based curriculum and am looking for
additional information or handouts for anger, denial, cycles, ect. If
anyone has any information that they would like to share please
respond. Thank you.
Bob

I am curious how you get you program posted on the OK Corral website
under links. I work for a hospice as a Chaplain and Bereavement
Coordinator and we use our horses in our preparatory grief and
bereavement program. We also work with the local juvenile probation
program providing anger management and other counseling services. I
cannot express the benefits the horses have brought to help people. We
have a website www.trinityeqc.com. Anyway, I look forward to being
apart of this group.
Ken Cates

I am curious if anyone has any experience making the
move from handicapped riding facility to a facility
that offers equine assisted psychotherapy/equine
assisted learning.  Does anyone offer both?  How did
you introduce the idea to your clientele and the
community?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences.

Spence

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Hi All,

Who are the members in the OK Corral equine assisted group? I am
feeling less than "OK" because I have been unable to figure out how
to view all the previous messages.

I am from Albuquerque, NM, and currently working on an equine
assisted program on the To'Hajiilee Navajo Reservation in
conjunction with the University of New Mexico. I used to have my own
facility to work out of, horses and all, but now I work with other
people's horses and as a consultant.

I hear there is another member of OK Corral here in New Mexico. Who
are you? Where are you? Hopefully, we can figure out how to host an
OK Corral Event here in NM.

Hi Mr. DualKingBob, you seem to be a person of many words! I look
forward to hearing more (actually, it would be reading more)about
you and what you are doing.

Anne F. (you know who you are) are you a member of OKness? Your land
in Angel Fire awaits you.

Anyway, Hope to meet more of you soon,

Sally A. Carlon
505.681.3819