Actually I have never really meant it, but I do know how I could do it, if I
chose to. I say I wouldn't because of my Faith, and it is more I want people to
listen to me, because once you had a serious brain injury, and 57 days in a coma
qualifies, so through out the years I have even been told that to get people to
listen to you, you need to say that you are suicidal, and have a plan and the
means all that stuff, so I still did my best to get people to listen to what I
was trying to say, but they would never really care what I said, so I decided to
use those words. I DO NOT and WILL NOT kill myself ever, but it began when I
was forced to allow a male Dr. rectally do an exam, so I called back to
complain, and said that with him doing that to me, it brought memories of when I
was raped, and I thought of killing myself, but when on and said that I got
past it, but that Nurse still called the police on me, ad they came out, talked
to me for a few minutes,
one went outside, made a hone call, then came in and said let's go, so they
split. Then I was talking to my primary care NP, and told her that I really
wanted off my meds, they are only for pain, and one BP pill, she said that if I
did that, she would call the police, so like a good sailor I've been taking my
meds, but I'm still in bad pain, plus I'm lucky if I get 3 hours of sleep at a
time, I might fall back to sleep sometimes, but a lot of times I don't, so I'm
very worried about Monday, plus they have called me 4 times in the last 2 days
to remind me of that appointment, besides getting a letter in the mail, so what
say you?


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From: Nick Arnett <narnett@...>
To: emsfirepoliceptsd@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:31:03 PM
Subject: Re: [EMS Fire Police PTSD] I have a question that pertains to the VA





On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 1:03 PM, tom <tootommy20032000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
> I hope that it's ok to ask this?
>

Sure it is - and it says you feel safe here, which is a compliment to
everyone present.

What the VA can do depends in part on what state you live in. But generally
speaking, unless you are in *immediate* danger of hurting yourself or
others, nothing can be done involuntarily. The definition of "immediate"
varies from one state to another, but it generally is quite conservative.
We live in a nation that greatly respects the rights of individuals, so the
burden is quite high for any government agency to hold you against your
will.

Here in California, repeatedly talking about killing yourself will not get
you committed. Only if you say you intend to do it and have a plan and the
means to carry it out, can anything be done involuntarily. Reckless
behavior, unless it is overtly life-threatening (speeding isn't, driving
into a wall at high speed is), isn't grounds.

May I ask if you are thinking of killing yourself now? It didn't sound that
way from your posting, but I'd feel better if I knew for sure. If you are,
you can always call a suicide hotline for free, anonymously. I think
there's now one specifically for vets, which I'd imagine you know about.

If you don't feel safe talking about all this at the VA, I'd strongly
suggest finding somewhere where it is safe for you... or talk to the VA
folks about what would help you feel safer, if that's possible. If there's
one thing that post-traumatic stress takes away, it's just that - being able
to feel safe. It is totally human for you to be struggling with this.

Nick

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