Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey a

little factoid I discovered.

I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid continuous

pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30 points

different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but others

might want to try there own

testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two predominant

testing fingers.





medusa

Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb, stabilize

gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic impairment.



A link to this anti-aging approach:

http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing



Duncan



. --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@...> wrote:

>

> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey a

> little factoid I discovered.

> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid continuous

> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30 points

> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but others

> might want to try there own

> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two predominant

> testing fingers.

>

>

> medusa

>

thanks this is excellent information

I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

sugar

trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

now i have a plan with this

thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

> stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

> impairment.

>

> A link to this anti-aging approach:

> http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

>

> Duncan

>

> . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey a

>> little factoid I discovered.

>> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

>> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

>> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

>> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

>> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid continuous

>> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

>> points

>> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but others

>> might want to try there own

>> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two predominant

>> testing fingers.

>>

>>

>> medusa

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients fast at

all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't worry about

changing to something more healthy.



Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat for its

glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially the purer

isolates.



You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by supplementing the

missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for bowel

issues.



Duncan



--- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>

> thanks this is excellent information

> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

> sugar

> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

> now i have a plan with this

> thanks

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>

>

> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

> > impairment.

> >

> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey a

> >> little factoid I discovered.

> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid continuous

> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

> >> points

> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but others

> >> might want to try there own

> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two predominant

> >> testing fingers.

> >>

> >>

> >> medusa

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>

Thank You, I will try the whey tomarrow. I didn't stick to the fast anyway.

:((

I find I don't have much appatite anyway and am eating salads, grains,

ezikiel bread

one slice and ezikiel pita and dehydrated vegitables for munchies.

I feel better with less and will add on the whey cod liver oil

and hopefully flush this weekend. I wanted to do that years

ago but didn't now I will try it

I drank warm expons salts and felt better will mix

with oil and lemon. The article makes sense.



----- Original Message -----

From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients fast

> at all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't worry

> about changing to something more healthy.

>

> Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat for

> its glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially the

> purer isolates.

>

> You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by supplementing

> the missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for

> bowel issues.

>

> Duncan

>

> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>>

>> thanks this is excellent information

>> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

>> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

>> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

>> sugar

>> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

>> now i have a plan with this

>> thanks

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

>> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

>> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>>

>>

>> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

>> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

>> > impairment.

>> >

>> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

>> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

>> >

>> > Duncan

>> >

>> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

>> > wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey

>> >> a

>> >> little factoid I discovered.

>> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

>> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

>> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

>> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

>> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid

>> >> continuous

>> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

>> >> points

>> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but

>> >> others

>> >> might want to try there own

>> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two

>> >> predominant

>> >> testing fingers.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> medusa

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> > Yahoo! Groups Links

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

I have ordered the whey can you suggest ways to use it as Im new at whey

can i put it in capsules ? not sure what is best way for use

appreciate any feedback

thank you

----- Original Message -----

From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients fast

> at all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't worry

> about changing to something more healthy.

>

> Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat for

> its glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially the

> purer isolates.

>

> You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by supplementing

> the missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for

> bowel issues.

>

> Duncan

>

> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>>

>> thanks this is excellent information

>> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

>> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

>> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

>> sugar

>> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

>> now i have a plan with this

>> thanks

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

>> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

>> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>>

>>

>> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

>> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

>> > impairment.

>> >

>> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

>> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

>> >

>> > Duncan

>> >

>> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

>> > wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey

>> >> a

>> >> little factoid I discovered.

>> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

>> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

>> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

>> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

>> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid

>> >> continuous

>> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

>> >> points

>> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but

>> >> others

>> >> might want to try there own

>> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two

>> >> predominant

>> >> testing fingers.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> medusa

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> > Yahoo! Groups Links

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

Kathelee, a serving of undenatured whey is about 35 grams give or take. About 90

capsules daily divided into two doses. It's better to just make a shake with it;

it tastes good.



Duncan



--- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>

> I have ordered the whey can you suggest ways to use it as Im new at whey

> can i put it in capsules ? not sure what is best way for use

> appreciate any feedback

> thank you

...yeah, a nice addition to any fruit smoothie.



> -----Original Message-----

> From: electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:32 PM

> To: electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>

> Kathelee, a serving of undenatured whey is about 35 grams

> give or take. About 90 capsules daily divided into two doses.

> It's better to just make a shake with it; it tastes good.

>

> Duncan

>

> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

> >

> > I have ordered the whey can you suggest ways to use it as

> Im new at whey

> > can i put it in capsules ? not sure what is best way for use

> > appreciate any feedback

> > thank you

>

I tried this http://www.wonwithnature.com/

Pancreas Kidney cleanse taking it at night

it is great and I hope it's helping

----- Original Message -----

From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:34 PM

Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients fast

> at all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't worry

> about changing to something more healthy.

>

> Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat for

> its glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially the

> purer isolates.

>

> You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by supplementing

> the missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for

> bowel issues.

>

> Duncan

>

> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>>

>> thanks this is excellent information

>> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

>> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

>> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

>> sugar

>> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

>> now i have a plan with this

>> thanks

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

>> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

>> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>>

>>

>> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

>> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

>> > impairment.

>> >

>> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

>> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

>> >

>> > Duncan

>> >

>> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

>> > wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey

>> >> a

>> >> little factoid I discovered.

>> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

>> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

>> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

>> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

>> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid

>> >> continuous

>> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

>> >> points

>> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but

>> >> others

>> >> might want to try there own

>> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two

>> >> predominant

>> >> testing fingers.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> medusa

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> > Yahoo! Groups Links

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

Kathelee, how can you tell t he nostrum is great if you don't know if it's

helping at all?



I'd suggest epsom salts, oil and lemon juice liver flushes first, but self-help

is one's own responsibility ;)



Duncan



--- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>

> I tried this http://www.wonwithnature.com/

> Pancreas Kidney cleanse taking it at night

> it is great and I hope it's helping

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:34 PM

> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>

>

> > Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients fast

> > at all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't worry

> > about changing to something more healthy.

> >

> > Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat for

> > its glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially the

> > purer isolates.

> >

> > You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by supplementing

> > the missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for

> > bowel issues.

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@> wrote:

> >>

> >> thanks this is excellent information

> >> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

> >> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

> >> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

> >> sugar

> >> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

> >> now i have a plan with this

> >> thanks

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@>

> >> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

> >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

> >> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

> >>

> >>

> >> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

> >> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the metabolic

> >> > impairment.

> >> >

> >> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

> >> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

> >> >

> >> > Duncan

> >> >

> >> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

> >> > wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to convey

> >> >> a

> >> >> little factoid I discovered.

> >> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type 2.

> >> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

> >> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't know

> >> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

> >> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid

> >> >> continuous

> >> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as 30

> >> >> points

> >> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but

> >> >> others

> >> >> might want to try there own

> >> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two

> >> >> predominant

> >> >> testing fingers.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> medusa

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ------------------------------------

> >> >

> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>

I make great Ginger Beer it has no beer in it.

A wonderful spanish lady gave me the receipe

it's limes, pineapples, oranges, fresh ground ginger,

and some panela, unprocesed cane sugar blended

with some water. great stuff cures eyesight,

asthma, etc





From: "bob Larson" <bobList@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:37 PM

Subject: RE: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> ...yeah, a nice addition to any fruit smoothie.

>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com

>> [mailto:electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Duncan Crow

>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:32 PM

>> To: electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com

>> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>>

>> Kathelee, a serving of undenatured whey is about 35 grams

>> give or take. About 90 capsules daily divided into two doses.

>> It's better to just make a shake with it; it tastes good.

>>

>> Duncan

>>

>> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>> >

>> > I have ordered the whey can you suggest ways to use it as

>> Im new at whey

>> > can i put it in capsules ? not sure what is best way for use

>> > appreciate any feedback

>> > thank you

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

what is nostrum please

----- Original Message -----

From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:35 PM

Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note





> Kathelee, how can you tell t he nostrum is great if you don't know if it's

> helping at all?

>

> I'd suggest epsom salts, oil and lemon juice liver flushes first, but

> self-help is one's own responsibility ;)

>

> Duncan

>

> --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@...> wrote:

>>

>> I tried this http://www.wonwithnature.com/

>> Pancreas Kidney cleanse taking it at night

>> it is great and I hope it's helping

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@...>

>> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:34 PM

>> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>>

>>

>> > Kathelee: Let us know how you do on the fast. I don't make my clients

>> > fast

>> > at all despite purported benefits. They get well anyway :) so don't

>> > worry

>> > about changing to something more healthy.

>> >

>> > Look into undenatured whey; it's the most important food you could eat

>> > for

>> > its glutathione support and it's generally well tolerated, especially

>> > the

>> > purer isolates.

>> >

>> > You can restore bowel ecology in 1-3 months ballpark also by

>> > supplementing

>> > the missing 15 grams of inulin, which has been used for 5,000 years for

>> > bowel issues.

>> >

>> > Duncan

>> >

>> > --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, <kathelee@> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> thanks this is excellent information

>> >> I also have oxygen elements plus with fulvic acid

>> >> and the cosmodic dove not sure of protocol for this

>> >> and am fasting as much as possible cannot tolerate cream

>> >> sugar

>> >> trying to do the raw for thirty days but its a bit trying

>> >> now i have a plan with this

>> >> thanks

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: "Duncan Crow" <duncancrow@>

>> >> To: <electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com>

>> >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:57 PM

>> >> Subject: [electroherbalism] Re: diabetes testing note

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > Medusa: Treatment for both fibro and diabetes is the same: low-carb,

>> >> > stabilize gut ecology, and reverse syndome X especially the

>> >> > metabolic

>> >> > impairment.

>> >> >

>> >> > A link to this anti-aging approach:

>> >> > http://tinyurl.com/anti-ageing

>> >> >

>> >> > Duncan

>> >> >

>> >> > . --- In electroherbalism@yahoogroups.com, "medusa569" <medusa569@>

>> >> > wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Since we have touched upon the subject of diabetes I'd like to

>> >> >> convey

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> little factoid I discovered.

>> >> >> I have been labeled with fibromyalgia...also recently diabetic type

>> >> >> 2.

>> >> >> During testing and some rifing experiments I discovered that

>> >> >> different locations will yield different reading results. I don't

>> >> >> know

>> >> >> whether this is normal but I've not heard nor read of this

>> >> >> situation before. I for one always rotated test sites to avoid

>> >> >> continuous

>> >> >> pain in the same site but each finger or site can yield as much as

>> >> >> 30

>> >> >> points

>> >> >> different. That may be indicative of my fibro health situation but

>> >> >> others

>> >> >> might want to try there own

>> >> >> testing  variances At the same time between their arm and two

>> >> >> predominant

>> >> >> testing fingers.

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> medusa

>> >> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > ------------------------------------

>> >> >

>> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ------------------------------------

>> >

>> > Yahoo! Groups Links

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

Oh, I'd LOVE to have that recipe if you can share it.  It sounds delicious!



Samala,

Renee



-------Original Message-------



I make great Ginger Beer it has no beer in it.

A wonderful spanish lady gave me the receipe

it's limes, pineapples, oranges, fresh ground ginger,

and some panela, unprocesed cane sugar blended

with some water. great stuff cures eyesight,

asthma, etc







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