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Re: [ekg_club] What do you think?

I thought I was the only one who couldn't tell whether or not there was significant elevation or depression.
 
I'd hesitate to call it a "STEMI" to alert the local cath lab team, but I'd almost certainly consult with the receiving physician, especially depending on how the patient's symptoms present.
 
Just my $0.02 worth.
 
-Wes Ogilvie
 
In a message dated 2/2/2008 1:32:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, christa.stedman@... writes:

Probably not just based on this one 12 lead. Whats this guys history? does he have risk factors or family history? How did this pt present? I'd certainly be doing serial 12 leads and treating him if he was having chest pain. The precordial leads are definitely showing ischemia, so just based on that my index of suspicion would be higher.... I can't see how elevated III and aVF actually are cause the resolution on my computer is bad, but it's not much. How many mm is it? also, just based off of what I can see, I'm not sure aVL and I are truly depressed... yet anyway.
 
Did you happen to get a posterior? If this guy really is having an inferior STEMI that's not showing anywhere else I'd expect some posterior involvement.
 
Again, without knowing pt presentation, its hard to say what I would do.... I'd be doing some serious assessing before I pulled the trigger on a STEMI.
Thats my few cents, for what it's worth.
 
Christa


2008/2/2 Gustavo E. Flores <gflores@emergencyteam.net>:

Got this case 2 days ago and I'm wondering what's your opinion on the inferior leads and I and aVL.

 

Would you call this a STEMI based on III and aVF ST-elevations and reciprocals in aVL and I?

 

Or, is this isoelectric and the I and aVL are more a left ventricular strain pattern?

 

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Got this case 2 days ago and I’m wondering what’s your opinion on the inferior leads and I and aVL. Would you call this a STEMI based on III and aVF...
Gustavo E. Flores
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Feb 2, 2008
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Probably not just based on this one 12 lead. Whats this guys history? does he have risk factors or family history? How did this pt present? I'd certainly be...
Christa Stedman
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Thank you Christa for your comments. I had a quick glimpse at this patient when she arrived. Female in late 40s with epigastric and left flank pain that...
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I thought I was the only one who couldn't tell whether or not there was significant elevation or depression. I'd hesitate to call it a "STEMI" to alert the...
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I think it's suspicious, Gustavo. Q waves in III and aVF with straight (non-concave) ST segments in II, III, and aVF, downsloping ST segments in I and aVL, R/S...
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Feb 2, 2008
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I would have to agree with Tom that this is suspicious but not definitive. The Qwaves in the II, III, aVF leads seem to meet the criteria for a prior MI. The...
Nikiah Nudell
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Feb 2, 2008
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Before jumping to any type of testing, might I ask what were the symptoms that prompted an EKG? Was it cardiac symptoms, or non-cardiac symptoms, but someone...
Erskine James, M.D.
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Feb 3, 2008
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Hi Erskine, Gustavo provided the symptoms in another posting which led to my suggestion for additional testing. Thank you for the OAT link, that will be useful...
Nikiah Nudell
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Could this be a TCO of the RCA or a Cirx Diag? What is a cirx diag?  Is TCO total chronic occlusion? Neil ... From: Nikiah Nudell <medicnick@...> To:...
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Hi Neil, Sorry, I was thinking of a total chronic occlusion (TCO) [of the RCA or] of a left dominant circumflex with lesion(s) of a marginal branch(es). Dr....
Nikiah Nudell
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this looks like either LVH or "LV aneurysm" (persistent ST elevation after old MI (both of which can also have reciprocal depression between III and aVL)....
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