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A 25 y/o/m presented with some non-specific c/p and palpitations no prev med  hx.  Family hx of SVT.
 
b/p was initially 110/70 then 100/60
 
medical control gave orders for Amiodarone. The rhythm broke see attached.
 
MD at ED chewed out the crew for giving amio - said he now has no options for pt and there is a liver toxicity issue etc.
 
What would you have done? What is the underlying rhythm?
 
Thank you all.


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A 25 y/o/m presented with some non-specific c/p and palpitations no prev med hx. Family hx of SVT. b/p was initially 110/70 then 100/60 medical control gave...
MonseyMan
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Jul 10, 2009
2:17 pm

Though I agree that "watchful waiting" is an unappreciated and untaught skill in EMS ( seeing what happens and treating for effect not "to do") I might want to...
jon levine
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Jul 13, 2009
3:11 pm

Just my opinion, Jon, but it seems to me that a possible accessory pathway is all the more reason to leave the drugs in the drug box and cardiovert if ...
Tom Bouthillet
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Jul 13, 2009
3:37 pm

On our annual protocol exam we were faced with a question regarding a patient presenting in apparent hyperkalemia and "some" pulmonary edema.? The correct...
kavinin@...
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Jul 13, 2009
8:40 pm

If your paramedics are really trained to the point of making nuanced decisions about bicarb once hyperkalemia is identified as the mechanism responsible for...
Tom Bouthillet
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Jul 13, 2009
8:45 pm

Don't be so dramatic. ;-) Just kidding. If they are hyperkalemic and have pulmonary edema then give the bicarb and start CPAP. Nick...
Nikiah Nudell
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Jul 13, 2009
8:56 pm

This is very interesting. I am not one to ignore iatrogenic complications. But bicarb works well and works fast and 99% of the hyper k+ I've seen is in...
PMATERAMD@...
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Jul 13, 2009
9:02 pm

Need to have CPAP to allow it into the equation? :) ? I thought it was an interesting challenge to understand the protocol... good springboard to education, I...
kavinin@...
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Jul 14, 2009
1:46 am

Bicarb really should have no role in the treatment of hyperkalemia. The massive amount of sodium given with bicarb causes intracellular potassium to move to...
Phil Roman
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Jul 14, 2009
2:50 am

Interesting, so if I understand correctly you are saying bicarb can actually cause hyperkalemia? How does the exchange of H+ ions from the cell for K++ ions in...
Robert Vroman
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Jul 14, 2009
2:54 am

There's no question that acidosis causes a shift of potassium from the intracellular space to the extracellular (intravascular) one. Alkalosis causes the...
Phil Roman
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Jul 15, 2009
2:34 am

Hi Phil, First, congratulations on getting through medical school! Second, I am trying to wipe off the dust of my memory banks. I seem to recall reading about...
Nikiah Nudell
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Jul 15, 2009
2:59 am

Hi Nick, Thanks for the congrats (but I did graduate 3 years ago). I haven't seen anything that shows a transient increase in K. If the K is high enough to...
Phil Roman
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Jul 17, 2009
2:24 am

Thank you for your response. I got additional information from the crew that acutally attended to the patient - I am attaching his story. "Here is the story 25...
MonseyMan
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Jul 13, 2009
4:09 pm

i still havent been able to see the ecgs with this case someone reported afib and delta wave ie wpw, then got amiodarone, (if this is the same pt) please...
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Jul 14, 2009
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