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http://www.sourcemed.org/ICAEL_Consultants.html

Some of my previous message may have been cut-off so I am re-sending.....

All I can say is when you get your ICAEL application packet, read the section on mobile service accretidation VERY CAREFULLY!! There are a lot of caveats in the fine print. It's not a one-size-fits all proposition. The bottom line is, they want to see CONSISTENCY with a mobile service, which is understandable as this is the biggest question mark to an outsider. ICAEL did at one point list consultants on their website, but decided to abolish this earlier this year-- "The IAC has made the decision, effective January 2, 2008, to abolish its published directory of accreditation consultants and software providers, and will no longer identify the names or contact information of those who provide such services."

However, they do provide a third-party link: www.sourcemed.org

Here's a link for ICAEL consultants which Source Med lists. (If you go directly to the link above it gives you consultants for all types of imaging, but I've saved you a few clicks and pasted the link that will bring you directly to the ICAEL consultants-- the one's I believe that are of most value to you!)

As far as cost, just as anything else there is going to be variability. But given that they are saving you a lot of work and headaches, it's not going to come cheap. My former supervisor offers this service and he asks for $10K to get it done-- and once the initial accreditation is achieved it's up to you to keep up the peer review process and correlations. They one thing people have to keep in mind about the accreditation is that it's not a one-time deal-- this is changing the way you do business basically. There is ongoing peer-review, lab maintenance requirements and correlations (comparing EFs across cath, echo, CT, etc.) that MUST be carried forward. Failure to do so risks losing your accreditation status or at the least putting your organization on probation. So, given this, they might ask for a "monthly fee" say $300.00 or something to keep everything on the up and up- unless your tech. director can carry out this work effectively. Techs are really going to have to either develop, further enhance or gain better management skills to keep this process intact and running efficiently. It's really going to change hiring criterion I think. Ironically, a lot of the time what makes a real good technician is opposite of what is required of a real good manager. I have a business degree and project management experience and am now a registered echo tech. Early on many interviewers asked how my degree is relevant to echo, etc., etc., and now I see my background as more relevant as ever in addition to my echo credentials and experience. Honestly, I see some real challenges for some techs who have just been "techs" their whole careers. I think there might be good opportunities for local colleges to put on "management" seminars and courses for technicians who have not worked in more of a manager role in the past-- I know in the past tech directors have had to manage, but there is more and more to manage these days with complex computer networks, more challenging staff compositions, greater regulatory requirements and complex contracts with vendors. Everything is getting more complex-- so the bar is being raised for manager's ability to handle this criterion. They either have to get more sophisticated on their own through books/self-help or go to some of these seminars, or for someone like me, utilize my skill sets acquired in a previous career-- in my case a program/product manager for enterprise communication applications (i.e. Lucent/Avaya). In laymans terms, I used to launch mid-size business phone systems-- (i.e. manage the development/engineering process, manage the tech trial/beta sites, manage the launch/marketing budgets, define the product, develop marketing/sales plans and related content, manage the teams that are involved with all of these activities, and seeing to it that the launch timeline plan is executived effectively and efficiently meaning on-time and on-budget.....wait this sounds a lot like the ICAEL accreditation process! Funny how things fit together.....

Hope this info helps and Happy accrediting!

"You don't have to like it, you just have to do it." -- To me this sums up the lovely accreditation process.

-Cliff

"Horve, Nicole" <nicole.horve@...> wrote:

Use the ASE Echo Tool box.

Nicole Horve, BS, RDCS, FASE

Supervisor Cardiovascular Services

St. John's Hospital

217-544-6464 ext 45036

nicole.horve@st-johns.org

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Subject: [echocardiography] Mobile echo Service-need help to get accredated
Currently, I have mobile echo Service. Does anybody know any reasonable consultant to help me in gettting accredation for my service.

Thanks

Erum
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#11028

From: Brooke Miller <brmiller2@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:02 pm
Subject: job opportunity

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Employment opportunity: Clinical Sales Specialist.

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Please call me, Brooke Wedding, for further details. My client is willing to relocate someone as well.

Thank you

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#11027

From: "Horve, Nicole" <nicole.horve@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:20 pm
Subject: RE: Mobile echo Service-need help to get accredated

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Use the ASE Echo Tool box.

Nicole Horve, BS, RDCS, FASE

Supervisor Cardiovascular Services

St. John's Hospital

217-544-6464 ext 45036

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Subject: [echocardiography] Mobile echo Service-need help to get accredated

Currently, I have mobile echo Service. Does anybody know any reasonable consultant to help me in gettting accredation for my service.

Thanks

Erum

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#11026

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Date: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:57 pm
Subject: Mobile echo Service-need help to get accredated

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Currently, I have mobile echo Service. Does anybody know any reasonable consultant to help me in gettting accredation for my service.

Thanks

Erum

#11025

From: "j.dodds1" <jdodds.1@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:17 am
Subject: Re: CCI vs. ARDCS

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Have to agree, sadly. It seems that the ARDMS is more widely
accepted. I am not sure why this occurs, may be the backing of
the "radiology" background that ARDMS grew up with.
I have taken both registries, over 15 years ago, and I thought that
the CCI exams were based more on non-invasive testing experience,
while ARDMS was mor physics oriented. Would be interested to know if
this is still true. - Jim. RDCS (AE, PE), RCS, RCIS, RVT, RVS.

--- In echocardiography@yahoogroups.com, "twnzmama01"
<twnzmama01@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to depend on where you work and in what area of US(for
> instance). Every place I have ever worked only recognized the ARDMS
> not CCI. When I was studying for my exam (17yrs ago) it was known
> that only ARDMS was a guarantee to ensure a job because of it's
high
> respect. I feel it is still seen that way. I do know of some
> sonographers who are only CCI certified and could not get a job
> considered registered and had to take ARDMS also, Might as well
only
> take 1 test and get it over with. Good Luck
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It- In echocardiography@yahoogroups.com, Gerson Lichtenberg @...>>
> Brian, I did search more extensively for
> > pre-requisites for CCI. I found them in the
> > downloadable .pdf document. Thank you very much for
> > enlightening me on this. I am sorry for my  incorrect
> > comment.
> >
> > Gerson Lichtenberg, RDCS, APS
> > Cardiology
> > Mt. Sinai Hospital
> > Chicago, Illinois
> >
> > --- Brian Stockard <brianstockard@> wrote:
> >
> > > Gerson,
> > >
> > > The real benefit of either registry is the
> > > continuing education requirement.  The time in the
> > > field with an emphasis on keeping abreast of the
> > > developments in the field is what makes better
> > > sonographers.  Close supervision, peer review, and
> > > physician interaction for at least the first few
> > > years can produce a first class sonographer.  The
> > > credential is merely the entry pass to the field. My
> > > main worry is that holding a credential will be
> > > interpreted as the ability to work independently.
> > >
> > > I apologize for misinterpreting the intent of your
> > > message as far as infering one crediential being
> > > superior.  Please check the CCI web site for
> > > prerequesites for taking the exam.  You are in error
> > > on this point.
> > >
> > > Perhaps asking CCI about their test's "psychometric
> > > validity" would be more appropriate than asking me.
> > > I do know testing validation is a very complicated
> > > field, and the testing numbers are so low as to make
> > > clear judgements difficult.  The college courses I
> > > have taken in probability and statistics makes me
> > > wary of of even referring to this issue.  The CCI
> > > tests I have taken seemed to be fair evaluation of
> > > knowledge. However, this is based on how they
> > > compare in structure to the other standardized tests
> > > I've taken, and I'll never know if these tests are
> > > fair evaluations for beginners.  Even the SAT people
> > > are constantly looking at their data, adjusting
> > > their test, and arguing about how to change the test
> > > to make it better at evaluating prospective college
> > > students.
> > >
> > > I believe this is probably an old issue since I have
> > > seen this issue pop up before on this forum years
> > > ago and have not heard of it recently.  Since that
> > > time CCI is now referenced as an accepted
> > > credientialling organization by the Medicare
> > > carriers that require echo and vascular
> > > credientialling, and other interested organizations
> > > including  the ACC, AHA, and  ASE.
> > >
> > > YIS
> > > Brian Stockard. BS, MBA. RCS, RVS
> > >
> > > Gerson Lichtenberg <gersonsl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So Brian, what independent standard does CCI hold
> > > itself to that should make me totally comfortable
> > > with
> > > them? What testing experts are employed by the
> > > organization to provide psychometric validity to the
> > > exam?
> > >
> > > I am not sure why you comment on one exam being more
> > > "superior" than another as I have never said that.
> > >
> > > Another concern of mine is that CCI does not seem to
> > > hold up any pre-requisites for taking the exam. That
> > > seems to mean that anybody who can take a test meets
> > > the minimum standards for performance of
> > > echocardiography.
> > >
> > > Please note, I did say in my prior message that I am
> > > happy to consider anyone who has obtained either
> > > registry for employment in my lab as long as they
> > > meet
> > > the other requirements of the institution's job
> > > description.
> > >
> > > Gerson Lichtenberg
> > > Cardiology
> > > Mt. Sinai Hospital
> > > Chicago, Illinois
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Brian Stockard
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gerson,
> > > >
> > > > These result of being registered is so one will be
> > > > considered minimally qualified to preform these
> > > > studies. To even consider the possibility of one
> > > > exam being "superior" to another is to imply there
> > > > is more to registry than that. ARDMS is much
> > > larger
> > > > because they draw on much larger population of
> > > > technical specialties and have the money to
> > > market.
> > > > I was in the business well before the curent
> > > > registries were around, and the precursors to CCI
> > > > were there trying to establish compentcy levels
> > > for
> > > > the cardiovascular technolgy field. At this time
> > > > both organizations are completely accepted by the
> > > > major authorities, and one should be comfortable
> > > > with either organization.
> > > >
> > > > Brian Stockard
> > > > Gerson Lichtenberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Group,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that I am so far behind on catching up with
> > > my
> > > > e-mails. I believe that I have read all of the
> > > prior
> > > > comments on this topic and, while I have agreed
> > > with
> > > > much of the past commentary I have a couple of
> > > > things
> > > > to add.
> > > >
> > > > CCI and ARDMS are recognized by many major
> > > > organizations in the field. My understanding is
> > > that
> > > > one major difference is that CCI has never been
> > > > recognized by any organization which accredits
> > > > testing
> > > > organizations while ARDMS is recognized by the
> > > > National Commission for Certifying Agencies
> > > (NCCA).
> > > > Does anybody know why they have not certified
> > > their
> > > > own agency?
> > > >
> > > > That being said, I am happy to consider those
> > > > registered by CCI for jobs in my lab if they meet
> > > > the
> > > > other criteria, while I am not interested in those
> > > > who
> > > > have no intention to become registered. For those
> > > > with
> > > > experience who have trouble passing tests, I am
> > > > happy
> > > > to assist them with this if they truly have an
> > > > understanding of what we are trying to do.
> > > >
> > > > I think that many employers may question why you
> > > > take
> > > > only the CCI exam when the ARDMS is more widely
> > > > accepted. Last time I looked at the CCI website,
> > > it
> > > > seemed that their requirements for taking the exam
> > > > were considerably less stringent than ARDMS.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to all for the interesting comments and
> > > > information on this topic.
> > > >
> > > > Gerson Lichtenberg, RDCS, APS
> > > > Cardiology
> > > > Mount Sinai Hospital
> > > > Chicago, Illinois
> > > >
> > > > --- Clifford Thornton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the website for CCI is: www.cci-online.org
> > > > > --- JCooper543@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > To the Group:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm interested in finding out more about CCI,
> > > > > where
> > > > > > do I find information
> > > > > > about this organization and their test? Is
> > > there
> > > > > a
> > > > > > website?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am registered with ARDMS. I have only heard
> > > of
> > > > > > this group and would like
> > > > > > to know more about them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you in advance.
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Janet
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > echocardiography-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Gerson Lichtenberg, RDCS, APS
> > > Echocardiography Coordinator
> > > Mt. Sinai Hospital
> > > Chicago, Illinois
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Mt. Sinai Hospital
> > Chicago, Illinois
> >
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#11024

From: IamtheLadyK@...
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So many jobs, so little time

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I have to agree with Jon. Virginia is a great starting place but stay out of the Hampton Roads area. The CVT school here put out techs every 6 months about a year ago and have pretty much saturated the market. I still doesn't hurt to apply, just so you know what you may be up against. Now if you are willing to work for the VA, the Hampton VA hospital has been looking for a tech for 2 years. The way to find these and other jobs with the government is to look up "medical instrument" This is their way of labeling any support tech positions such as CVT, EKG, ECHO, Pulm, Vasc, etc. If you haven't checked, look on indeed.com. Search echocardiography. There are tons of jobs listed there also.

(kisses to you Jon, miss ya)

Kathy Harrington, RDCS

Naval Medical Center, Portsmouth

Virginia

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#11023

From: "b_knepp" <b_knepp@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:18 am
Subject: Re: Book

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--- In echocardiography@yahoogroups.com, dlgillespie@... wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am getting back into echo and I wanted to get some input on an
updated book for techs with the latest and greatest info on calcs and
any new theory.
> Thanks
>

Well I am a student doing my internship and I use Feigenbaum and also
Terry Reynolds RDCS. Pocket reference and they seem to be good
sources. I hope that helps.

#11022

From: Echo Ken <KenCVT@...>
Date: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: RE: Book

KenCVT@...

Echocardiography 6th ed. Feigenbaum or

The Echocardiographers Pocket Reference 2nd ed. Terry Reynolds, BS, RDCS

Theres probably some great ones out there, I appreciate the The pocket reference , its always handy .

Best regards,

Ken, CCT, RDCS
California

To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
From: dlgillespie@...
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:13:41 +0000
Subject: [echocardiography] Book

Hi all,

I am getting back into echo and I wanted to get some input on an updated book for techs with the latest and greatest info on calcs and any new theory.

Thanks

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#11021

From: Cindy Valentine <cindy7valentine@...>
Date: Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:12 am
Subject: Part time and Per diems

cindy7valentine

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Hello Group,

I am starting a temp tech/per diem service in Michigan/Ohio. If you are interested in in picking up an extra day(s) please respond with a resume. You may fax it to my desk, the cover sheet should include a note with your salary requirements, registries, geographic region you are willing to work in, and the days and times you are available.

My fax is 248-544-2727

I have clients ready in Metro Detroit, Battle Creek, Traverse City and Petosky. A lot of them will want Echo Vascular. But don't be discouraged if you are echo only.

I have a Full time position open in metro detroit for Echo-vascular.

I have a tech looking for a full time position in Ohio-West of Cleveland.

Dayton Area Cardiology Lab looking for Echo-Vascular.

Thank you,

Cindy Valentine, BA, RDCS, RVT

CRV Imaging Consultants, Inc

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#11020

From: dlgillespie@...
Date: Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:13 pm
Subject: Book

gillespie_debi

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Hi all,

I am getting back into echo and I wanted to get some input on an updated book for techs with the latest and greatest info on calcs and any new theory.

Thanks

#11019

From: Jon Tagliaferri <hearttek68@...>
Date: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So many jobs, so little time

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Pass your boards and start looking on the east coast. Virginia is always a good place. Good cost of living in most places compared to salary. Richmond, Va Beach/Norfolk, and Fredericksburg (2 new hospitals opening there in the next year or so).

write and ask me <elzinky07@...> wrote:

Greetings ,

Your words really comfort me. I was also giving up hope
because I was unable to find an entry level echo position. The main
reason is the fact that I am a recent grad. I've had so many phone
interviews that were all dead ends. I've worked hard to finish
school. I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
enough to find something.

When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
hope. So I took the first part of the registry that I passed. And
next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI). So my question to you
is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
position should I pass my boards? " Any comments would be appreciated,
I am willing to relocate anywhere...

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#11018

From: "Teri" <teri@...>
Date: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: So many jobs, so little time

teri@...

I too volunteered for several months for my first scanning position. They
eventually were able to justify my work and then they hired me! Make sure you
say thank you and act grateful and appreciative to everyone (the entire
office/lab staff) who takes the risk of letting you volunteer for them.  Getting
experience is priceless.

Teri
Teri Dittrich, RDCS

-----Original Message-----
From: Echo Ken <KenCVT@...>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:17:16
To:<echocardiography@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [echocardiography] Re: So many jobs, so little time

LOL @ echobill33 with the BEFORE google and mapquest ...gotta love it back in
the day when the newspaper was our best friend� : )
  �
  Just an FYI , I too had to work for free at first. Even with working at a large
hospital as a CVT ,�I could not get a break in the Echo arena without
experience. Luckly I had a couple of great mentors, �a group of Cardiologist and
a Veteran sonographer friend who saw potential in me�and let me do echos
in�thier office after�I got done with schooling. �I did them for FREE to gain
experience and get that stepping stone. SO DONT ever give up on your dreams and
dont let anyone ever�tell you that you cant do something. Sometimes you just
have to take a step back to get a couple steps forward later.
  �
  Best regards,
  �
  Ken, CCT, RDCS
  California �

----------------
  To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
From: echobill33@...
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:33:25 +0000
Subject: [echocardiography] Re: So many jobs, so little time

  How I did it.

First of all you have to devote days to finding a job. The act of finding a job
should be
considered a small job in itself. So focus on this small job and nothing else.
Focus, focus ,
focus and it will all be good !

I diligently checked the want ads and soon realized that our jobs are rarely
advertised in
the newspapers ( duh! )

1. I went to the library and looked in the reference book section and there was
a reference
book with a list of every hospital in Florida ( this is before google approx 16
yrs ago ). I
made copies of the pages of the hospital listings and phone numbers.

2. The next day I called all of the job hotline phone numbers within a radius of
where I
could travel to and made a list, got the maps out ( before mapquest ) and
plotted a days
route.

3. The next day I drove to all of the hospitals on the list from the job
hotlines that had an
opening and filled out a myriad of B.S. job applications ( how does where I went
to
grammar school have any bearing of who I am now ?? ).

4. I followed up with phone calls but did not get even one offer.

5. I then got the hospital list out again and drove to every hospital within the
radius ( and
some outside of it ) without knowing wether there was an opening or not and went
right
to the radiology departments to talk to the techs and / or directors to see if
they needed
anyone ( if you do this wear scrubs and it will get you further into the
workplace
environment ). I was enthusiastic, "acted" confident and gave the impression
that I was
ready to work, learn and do whatever it takes ( which I was )

End of story, I got offered a full time job at a rural hospital where a tech had
just given
his 2 weeks notice.

It was quite a whirlwind week but when I got that call from human resources ( I
hesitate
to admit it ) I got kinda teary-eyed ( did I just say that ? I'll never admit to
it ! )

Anyway now I get way more job offers than I can handle and the time I just
described is
such a fleeting moment in my life, However I will never forget it !

--- In echocardiography@ <mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "write and ask me" <elzinky07@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings ,
>
> Your words really comfort me. I was also giving up hope
> because I was unable to find an entry level echo position. The main
> reason is the fact that I am a recent grad. I've had so many phone
> interviews that were all dead ends. I've worked hard to finish
> school. I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
> from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
> enough to find something.
>
> When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
> the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
> hope. So I took the first part of the registry that I passed. And
> next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI). So my question to you
> is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
> position should I pass my boards? " Any comments would be appreciated,
> I am willing to relocate anywhere...
>

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#11017

From: Echo Ken <KenCVT@...>
Date: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: So many jobs, so little time

KenCVT@...

LOL @ echobill33 with the BEFORE google and mapquest ...gotta love it back in the day when the newspaper was our best friend : )

Just an FYI , I too had to work for free at first. Even with working at a large hospital as a CVT , I could not get a break in the Echo arena without experience. Luckly I had a couple of great mentors, a group of Cardiologist and a Veteran sonographer friend who saw potential in me and let me do echos in thier office after I got done with schooling. I did them for FREE to gain experience and get that stepping stone. SO DONT ever give up on your dreams and dont let anyone ever tell you that you cant do something. Sometimes you just have to take a step back to get a couple steps forward later.

Best regards,

Ken, CCT, RDCS
California

To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
From: echobill33@...
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:33:25 +0000
Subject: [echocardiography] Re: So many jobs, so little time

How I did it.

First of all you have to devote days to finding a job. The act of finding a job should be
considered a small job in itself. So focus on this small job and nothing else. Focus, focus ,
focus and it will all be good !

I diligently checked the want ads and soon realized that our jobs are rarely advertised in
the newspapers ( duh! )

1. I went to the library and looked in the reference book section and there was a reference
book with a list of every hospital in Florida ( this is before google approx 16 yrs ago ). I
made copies of the pages of the hospital listings and phone numbers.

2. The next day I called all of the job hotline phone numbers within a radius of where I
could travel to and made a list, got the maps out ( before mapquest ) and plotted a days
route.

3. The next day I drove to all of the hospitals on the list from the job hotlines that had an
opening and filled out a myriad of B.S. job applications ( how does where I went to
grammar school have any bearing of who I am now ?? ).

4. I followed up with phone calls but did not get even one offer.

5. I then got the hospital list out again and drove to every hospital within the radius ( and
some outside of it ) without knowing wether there was an opening or not and went right
to the radiology departments to talk to the techs and / or directors to see if they needed
anyone ( if you do this wear scrubs and it will get you further into the workplace
environment ). I was enthusiastic, "acted" confident and gave the impression that I was
ready to work, learn and do whatever it takes ( which I was )

End of story, I got offered a full time job at a rural hospital where a tech had just given
his 2 weeks notice.

It was quite a whirlwind week but when I got that call from human resources ( I hesitate
to admit it ) I got kinda teary-eyed ( did I just say that ? I'll never admit to it ! )

Anyway now I get way more job offers than I can handle and the time I just described is
such a fleeting moment in my life, However I will never forget it !

--- In echocardiography@yahoogroups.com, "write and ask me" <elzinky07@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings ,
>
> Your words really comfort me. I was also giving up hope
> because I was unable to find an entry level echo position. The main
> reason is the fact that I am a recent grad. I've had so many phone
> interviews that were all dead ends. I've worked hard to finish
> school. I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
> from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
> enough to find something.
>
> When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
> the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
> hope. So I took the first part of the registry that I passed. And
> next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI). So my question to you
> is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
> position should I pass my boards? " Any comments would be appreciated,
> I am willing to relocate anywhere...
>

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#11016

From: lynne huffman <medzforu2@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:25 pm
Subject: RE: Re: So many jobs, so little time

medzforu2

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Go back to your clinical sites and ask for honest feedback on areas for improvement or practice such as imaging skills, attitude, and communication skills. Ask them to practice interviewing for a job with you so you won't be nervous and then practice so more over the phone with someone you trust so you sound confident.

Best of Luck and I hope you enjoy the field as much as I have over many years.

Lynne

"Moore, Brenda" <bmoore@...> wrote:

Check ultrasoundjobs.com. There are always positions available somewhere. May have to relocate but you can work. Congrats and good luck.

Brenda

-----Original Message-----
From: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com [mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of write and ask me
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:27 AM
To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [echocardiography] Re: So many jobs, so little time

Greetings ,

Your words really comfort me. I was also giving up hope
because I was unable to find an entry level echo position. The main
reason is the fact that I am a recent grad. I've had so many phone
interviews that were all dead ends. I've worked hard to finish
school. I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
enough to find something.

When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
hope. So I took the first part of the registry that I passed. And
next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI). So my question to you
is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
position should I pass my boards? " Any comments would be appreciated,
I am willing to relocate anywhere...

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#11015

From: "echobill33" <echobill33@...>
Date: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:33 am
Subject: Re: So many jobs, so little time

echobill33

Offline

How I did it.

First of all you have to devote days to finding a job. The act of finding a job
should be
considered a small job in itself. So focus on this small job and nothing else.
Focus, focus ,
focus and it will all be good !

I diligently checked the want ads and soon realized that our jobs are rarely
advertised in
the newspapers ( duh! )

1. I went to the library and looked in the reference book section and there was
a reference
book with a list of every hospital in Florida ( this is before google approx 16
yrs ago ).  I
made copies of the pages of the hospital listings and phone numbers.

2. The next day I called all of the job hotline phone numbers within a radius of
where I
could travel to and made a list, got the maps out ( before mapquest ) and
plotted a days
route.

3. The next day I drove to all of the hospitals on the list from the job
hotlines that had an
opening and filled out a myriad of B.S. job applications ( how does where I went
to
grammar school have any bearing of who I am now ?? ).

4. I followed up with phone calls but did not get even one offer.

5. I then got the hospital list out again and drove to every hospital within the
radius ( and
some outside of it ) without knowing wether there was an opening or not and went
right
to the radiology departments to talk to the techs and / or directors to see if
they needed
anyone ( if you do this wear scrubs and it will get you further into the
workplace
environment  ). I was enthusiastic, "acted" confident and gave the impression
that I was
ready to work, learn and do whatever it takes ( which I was )

End of story,  I got offered a full time job at a rural hospital where a tech
had just given
his 2 weeks notice.

It was quite a whirlwind week but when I got that call from human resources ( I
hesitate
to admit it ) I got kinda teary-eyed ( did I just say that ? I'll never admit to
it ! )

Anyway now I get way more job offers than I can handle and the time I just
described is
such a fleeting moment in my life, However I will never forget it !

--- In echocardiography@yahoogroups.com, "write and ask me" <elzinky07@...>
wrote:
>
> Greetings ,
>
>          Your words really comfort me.  I was also giving up hope
> because I was unable to find an entry level echo position.  The main
> reason is the fact that I am a recent grad.  I've had so many phone
> interviews that were all dead ends.  I've worked hard to finish
> school.  I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
> from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
> enough to find something.
>
>          When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
> the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
> hope.  So I took the first part of the registry that I passed.  And
> next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI).  So my question to you
> is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
> position should I pass my boards? "  Any comments would be appreciated,
> I am willing to relocate anywhere...
>

#11014

From: EchoNikki@...
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:47 pm
Subject: Re: thinking of giving up echo

sthrncom4t

Offline

Toni,

Have you followed up with the positions that did not offer you the job to find out why? It is a reasonable request from an applicant, and may give you some valuable information to help you out in the future.

If you are willing to relocate, check out ultrasoundjobs.com. There seem to be an abundance of jobs popping up all over the place. The travel company I used to work for sends out new job postings almost daily. (www.resourcesoncall.com) ask for Andrea.

Good luck,

Nikki

Nicole Lenze-Whaley RDCS (AE, PE), RVT
Lead CV Sonographer
Heart Center of the Rockies
Fort Collins, CO 80525

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#11013

From: Mark Harry <mharry@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: MR Severity

mjhcuc

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http://web.mac.com/mharry

Editha,

Attached is a PDF file illustrating the use of MR VTI in the PISA method to determine MR severity.

Mark J. Harry RDCS

Cardiac Ultrasound Consulting

On Mar 26, 2008, at 6:56 AM, EDITHA DAVID wrote:

Hello to all,
Can you please help me in regards to VTI parameter
in the assessment of Mitral Regurt (MR) severity.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Editha

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#11012

From: Clifford Thornton <cmt51597@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: thinking of giving up echo

cmt51597

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Everyone on here is right, just STICK WITH IT! Once you get through these initial hurdles, then the sky's the limit; your only challenge will be in deciding what position to select.

I was considering a position in NH, but decided to go another route. But, there's a full-time echo opportunity with Portsmouth Regional Hospital in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. It is rated as a top city in terms of quality-of-life, it's 1 hour from Boston and close to beaches and the beautiful White Mountains, which is great for skiing, hiking, and mountain biking. The major drawback for me is that a limited number of carrier's serve its airport, but if you don't mind making the 1 hour drive to Logan (Boston's) airport, then you can connect to just about anywhere in the world. So, here's the link for that job-- I think they are willing to consider someone new... https://hca.taleo.net/servlets/CareerSection?art_ip_action=FlowDispatcher&flowTypeNo=13&pageSeq=2&reqNo=279691&art_servlet_language=en&selected_language=en&csNo=10060#topOfCsPage

The hospital's website is: www.portsmouthhospital.com

I was in your shoes not too long ago, so just hang in there. But, you have to be someone flexible, especially regarding geography. Thinks will click soon though, I'm sure.

Have you tried applying for an echo job with the Veterans administration? They always need echo techs...here's the link: http://www1.va.gov/health/index.asp They have some of the best benefits and I believe that they have a tuition forgiveness program as well. Actually, to search for VA jobs go to this link: http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/a9va.asp

I did a search on the VA jobs page for echo techs and came up with a few opportunities, here's the link: http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/jobsearch.asp?jbf574=VATA&jbf522=&fn=&q=echo&lid=&FedEmp=N&brd=3876&vw=d&ss=0&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fa9va.asp&SUBMIT1.x=76&SUBMIT1.y=12

Or just go to the jobs page: http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/a9va.asp and do a search. Select "Health Administration" when it asks which agency you want to search within the VA, then under "job type" just select "all" and under location just select "all" and in the "keyword search" just type in "echo" and then perform your search and you should come up with the opportunities I've listed below. Well see the listings below, and at least check them out-- the good thing about the VA is that you'll interact with many of the residents and even train them on echo, it's a very good learning environment and probably one of the best places for a new technician and like I said, they have some really great benefits. Good luck!

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Appointment Term:	Permanent
Job Status:	Full-Time
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Salary:	From 32,534.00 to 42,290.00 USD per year

Veterans Affairs, Veterans Health Administration

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a b <ginalulubaby@...> wrote:

I don't think you should give up either. It's amazing the doors that'll open once you have your boards passed. There's a job in Salt Lake City, too, if you'd like that. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll tell you more.

seasideponee@aol.com wrote:

Don't know where you live but there is a position open in New Jersey, I think the supervisor would like your level of education as long as you passed the ARDMS within one year of hire. It's in the south, 5 minutes from some very nice beaches and resort towns, if you are intereste.

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#11011

From: "Moore, Brenda" <bmoore@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:40 pm
Subject: RE: Re: So many jobs, so little time

bmoore@...

Check ultrasoundjobs.com. There are always positions available somewhere. May have to relocate but you can work. Congrats and good luck.

Brenda

-----Original Message-----
From: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com [mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of write and ask me
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:27 AM
To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [echocardiography] Re: So many jobs, so little time

Greetings ,

Your words really comfort me. I was also giving up hope
because I was unable to find an entry level echo position. The main
reason is the fact that I am a recent grad. I've had so many phone
interviews that were all dead ends. I've worked hard to finish
school. I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
enough to find something.

When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
hope. So I took the first part of the registry that I passed. And
next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI). So my question to you
is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
position should I pass my boards? " Any comments would be appreciated,
I am willing to relocate anywhere...

#11010

From: "write and ask me" <elzinky07@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: So many jobs, so little time

elzinky07

Offline

Greetings ,

          Your words really comfort me.  I was also giving up hope
because I was unable to find an entry level echo position.  The main
reason is the fact that I am a recent grad.  I've had so many phone
interviews that were all dead ends.  I've worked hard to finish
school.  I was top of my class, and I also had some very good feedbacks
from the site that took me as an intern for 5 months but still it wasnt
enough to find something.

          When i heard about the reimbusement procedures would require
the techs performing the studies to be registered it gave me some
hope.  So I took the first part of the registry that I passed.  And
next week I'll be taking the second one (CCI).  So my question to you
is " What would be the next step for me to take to secure myself a
position should I pass my boards? "  Any comments would be appreciated,
I am willing to relocate anywhere...

#11009

From: "echobill33" <echobill33@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:02 am
Subject: So many jobs, so little time

echobill33

Offline

A short post to tell everyone that careers for registered echo and vascular
techs ( that know
what they are doing ) are hotter than I have ever seen them.

Depending on where you are, there is an almost unlimited amount of positions to
choose
from and it is probably due to the future insurance reimbursement requirements
for
registered techs in accredited labs that is driving up the demand and the
competition to
get these techs.  This is also driving up the compensation.

I can and will comment further but for now I would just like to initiate your
comments and
experiences on this very opportunistic time in our lives.

Take advantage of your skills, registry and work ethic to get the most from what
you have
worked so hard to establish.

Feel free to ask me questions on the basis of these observations and I will let
loose.

EchoBill

#11008

From: a b <ginalulubaby@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: thinking of giving up echo

ginalulubaby

Offline

I don't think you should give up either. It's amazing the doors that'll open once you have your boards passed. There's a job in Salt Lake City, too, if you'd like that. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll tell you more.

seasideponee@... wrote:

Don't know where you live but there is a position open in New Jersey, I think the supervisor would like your level of education as long as you passed the ARDMS within one year of hire. It's in the south, 5 minutes from some very nice beaches and resort towns, if you are intereste.

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#11007

From: EDITHA DAVID <ecdavid2000@...>
Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:56 pm
Subject: MR Severity

ecdavid2000

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Hello to all,
Can you please help me in regards to VTI parameter
in the assessment of Mitral Regurt (MR) severity.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Editha



      
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#11006

From: "Mary" <madaboutgifts@...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:57 pm
Subject: employment opportunities in greater Boston area

yafang20042000

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Hi all, I am looking for an experienced sonographer who is registered to perform abdominal, vascular, small parts, OB/GYN types of exams. Echo and ICU and ED experience will be a plus. The position will be located in Burlington, MA. The position will require some travel. The responsibility will include working with engineers to develop ultrasound products and provide training and demo. We also have per diem opportunities available as

well. If you are interested, please feel free to call my cell 978-390-4453 any time. Salary will be very competitive. Our website is www.terason.com

Grace

From: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com [mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of seasideponee@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:39 AM
To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [echocardiography] thinking of giving up echo

Don't know where you live but there is a position open in New Jersey, I think the supervisor would like your level of education as long as you passed the ARDMS within one year of hire. It's in the south, 5 minutes from some very nice beaches and resort towns, if you are intereste.

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#11005

From: "twnzmama01" <twnzmama01@...>
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:21 pm
Subject: Should you quit

twnzmama01

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I also went through echo schooling and had difficulty finding a job.
Market was saturated. WHat I did was went to a hospital and asked if I
could work for free. I went in 2-3 days a week to perfect my skills
and then found a great job 5 months later. The reason they hired me
was because I was working for free to learn and they felt that because
of that I would be a great worker and appreciate the opportunity
(which I did). That was 17 yrs ago and I am glad I did it. Stinks to
work for free, but the end result is great....Good luck

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#11004

From: seasideponee@...
Date: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:39 am
Subject: Re: thinking of giving up echo

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#11003

From: Charles Lloyd <lloydce53@...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:51 pm
Subject: RE: thinking of giving up echo

lloydce53

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Toni,
I would not give up. But, I am curious. If you graduated from a CAHEP approved program you should only have to take one CCI exam. But, you might want to consider taking a travellers position because most places who get to the point of needing a traveller usually waited to long and need someone last week. They tend to be a littles less choosey and it allows you to get experience from around the country and you find some place else you want to settle down in. Don't give up. Just be persistant and be willing to relocate if necessary.
Good luck

To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
From: echotoni@...
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:52:08 +0000
Subject: [echocardiography] thinking of giving up echo

Hello all,

I earned a degree in cardiovascular science in 2003 and then earned my
degree in Diagnostic cardiac ultrasound in 2005. I have been on so many
interviews I have lost track. At one facility I interviewed 5 times:
with HR, the senior techs, and the senior cardiologist by phone, then a
teleconference interview at Kinkos. I was flown out to the hospital in
another city and interviewed again. I was not offered the job. This
happened to me one time before as well. I have volunteered my time at a
local pediatric cardiologist to keep my skills and knowledge fresh and
up to date. I have attended 2 ESP seminars to prepare for the CCI
boards and have already passed the first exam. The problem is these
negative experiences have diminished my enthusiasm for this field. I am
discouraged and reluctant to even take the echo exam. The
disappointment is emotionally draining and has taken its toll on me. I
have a wonderful family who has supported me through this entire
process. And I am wondering if I should just move on to something else.
I would appreciate any insight from the group.

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#11002

From: akory99@...
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Aortic Stenosis Mode Incorporation

realakory99

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An outstanding remark, thank you, Mark. I actually printed your e-mail and posted to all technologists in my lab to see.

One thing I would add is YOU MUST see AV closing clicks on your LVOT PW Doppler tracing. I actually zoom on the LVOT area in the A5 to make sure my PW sample volume placement is accurate.

Andre

A valve area of 0.26 cm2 seems unrealistic. If you index that valve area using the patient's BSA (which you should always do) you would have a valve area index less than 0.15 cm2/m2. The only time I have seen a calculated valve area that small was when the LVOT stroke volume was severely underestimated.

Most sonographers underestimate the LVOT stroke volume and they are not aware of this because they do not also calculate a cardiac index on their patient. If your patient has an ejection fraction in the normal range and you end up with a cardiac index less than 2.7, you have most likely underestimated the LVOT diameter and or the LVOT VTI. This will result in a significant underestimation in the valve area.

If you use a standard apical 5 chamber view to obtain the LVOT VTI, you will most likely underestimate the VTI. In this view the Doppler is generally not parallel with the LVOT, AV and ascending AO unless you rotate the transducer and lay it back slightly. Now you basically have a flipped apical long axis view and are parallel. You should always be able to see a continuous color path from the LVOT across the valve and through the ascending AO if you are positioned properly.

Another common issue is a tendency to over trace the CW envelope across the aortic valve. If your scale is too high and your sweep speed too slow you will over trace your CW. This will then compound the problems associated with the data derived from the outflow tract and cause further underestimation of the valve area and LVOT/AO ratio.

Mark J. Harry RDCS

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#11001

From: Bhibby@...
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:16 pm
Subject: RE: thinking of giving up echo

barbarahibdon

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Toni--

I agree with all Andrew said--keep looking. I am curious about where you have applied--there are jobs out there but getting THE job may not come until you have some experience under your belt. It has been noted here time and again that it is hard to get that first job--odds are you will need to relocate somewhere. Work anywhere you can to get the experience you need.

Keep all your options open and keep sending out resumes--I understand from talking with new grads that it is very frustrating--there are places in the country where there are no jobs--and places where there are many openings. Continue the search.

First thing is pass the boards so you can present yourself as a credentialed sonographer. With labs working on accreditation the need to be registerd is a must.

The field is a demanding one--get your boards done. If you interviewed with me my first question would be why are not registered if you finished your program in 2005? How you answer that question, both verbally and that all important nonverbal body language, would be extremely important to me and would slant the rest of the interview and the entire hiring process.

Good luck.

Barbara Hibdon

Rocky Mountain Pediatric Cardiology

Lone Tree, CO

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Andrew Horning" <andrewhorning@...>

> Toni, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. It sounds like
> you've hardly begun if you haven't even taken the echo exam!
> If you were interviewed 5 times by the same facility, you apparently
> have something going for you, and that facility apparently has a pretty
> exhaustive and competitive hiring process.
> Are you fixed on one geographical spot for your job/life? If you're
> willing to move, there are a lot of jobs out there.
> Unless you're riddled with body piercings and painted with tattoos;
> unless you present badly and lack professionalism, you'll get hired once
> your credentials and job description match.
> I know that some people seem to get all the breaks. Maybe you know
> peop le who fell right into jobs before passing their registry exams.
> But it's rare that anybody ever gets exactly the job they want before
> getting the credentials that are more important with every passing day.
> Take the exam. Try again.
>
> Andrew Horning, RDCS
> Freedom, IN 47431
>
>
>
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> Subject: [echocardiography] thinking of giving up echo
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>
> Hello all,
>
> I earned a degree in cardiovascular science in 2003 and then earned my
> degree in Diagnostic cardiac ultrasound in 2005. I have been on so many
> interviews I have lost track. At one facility I interviewed 5 times:
> with HR, the senior techs , and the senior cardiologist by phone, then a
> teleconference interview at Kinkos. I was flown out to the hospital in
> another city and interviewed again. I was not offered the job. This
> happened to me one time before as well. I have volunteered my time at a
> local pediatric cardiologist to keep my skills and knowledge fresh and
> up to date. I have attended 2 ESP seminars to prepare for the CCI
> boards and have already passed the first exam. The problem is these
> negative experiences have diminished my enthusiasm for this field. I am
> discouraged and reluctant to even take the echo exam. The
> disappointment is emotionally draining and has taken its toll on me. I
> have a wonderful family who has supported me through this entire
> process. And I am wondering if I should just move on to something else.
> I would appreciate any insight from the group.
>
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From: "Andrew Horning" <andrewhorning@...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:37 pm
Subject: RE: thinking of giving up echo

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Toni, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.  It sounds like
you've hardly begun if you haven't even taken the echo exam!
If you were interviewed 5 times by the same facility, you apparently
have something going for you, and that facility apparently has a pretty
exhaustive and competitive hiring process.
Are you fixed on one geographical spot for your job/life?  If you're
willing to move, there are a lot of jobs out there.
Unless you're riddled with body piercings and painted with tattoos;
unless you present badly and lack professionalism, you'll get hired once
your credentials and job description match.
I know that some people seem to get all the breaks.  Maybe you know
people who fell right into jobs before passing their registry exams.
But it's rare that anybody ever gets exactly the job they want before
getting the credentials that are more important with every passing day.
Take the exam.  Try again.

Andrew Horning, RDCS
Freedom, IN 47431



-----Original Message-----
From: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of echotoni
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:52 PM
To: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [echocardiography] thinking of giving up echo



Hello all,

I earned a degree in cardiovascular science in 2003 and then earned my
degree in Diagnostic cardiac ultrasound in 2005. I have been on so many
interviews I have lost track. At one facility I interviewed 5 times:
with HR, the senior techs, and the senior cardiologist by phone, then a
teleconference interview at Kinkos. I was flown out to the hospital in
another city and interviewed again. I was not offered the job. This
happened to me one time before as well. I have volunteered my time at a
local pediatric cardiologist to keep my skills and knowledge fresh and
up to date. I have attended 2 ESP seminars to prepare for the CCI
boards and have already passed the first exam. The problem is these
negative experiences have diminished my enthusiasm for this field. I am
discouraged and reluctant to even take the echo exam. The
disappointment is emotionally draining and has taken its toll on me. I
have a wonderful family who has supported me through this entire
process. And I am wondering if I should just move on to something else.
I would appreciate any insight from the group.


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