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Re: Cardioversion with TEE probe down

I have substantial experience with cardioverting patients while the
TEE probe remains in place. This is relatively common during cardiac
surgery. Some patient require no shock, other multiple. We have
(conservatively) delivered in excess of 10,000 shocks--with a TEE
probe in place--without any known problem related to the probes.
Additionally, the energies used are usually 5-6x what is used for
AFib. I searched the manual (Sonus 5500) and didn't anything
proscribing cardioversion with a TEE probe in place. (A TEE probe
with that warning would not get many sales for use in an OR setting.)

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Fri Aug 3, 2007 6:03 am

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Hello, I have been a sonographer for 10 years now and I am working with a cardiologist in a community hospital who keeps insisting that it is safe to...
bryml
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Jul 23, 2007
11:03 pm

Sure, it is a good thing to do if you want to be sued. Wayne ... From: echocardiography@yahoogroups.com [mailto:echocardiography@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of...
Wayne Moore
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Jul 24, 2007
2:37 pm

Maybe he likes talking to lawyers.........dude pull the probe out.......when in doubt....ask yourself...would you allow this to happen to you? bryml...
the rattler
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Jul 24, 2007
3:59 pm

I guess I need an education. Granted, his doing a TEE is to see if there's a clot present that would preempt the cardioversion, and I'm unsure of his...
a b
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Jul 25, 2007
9:51 pm

I have see that done in 2 hospitals (one in Massachusetts and one in NY), I am not aware of any literatures about it, the safety concern I heard is more about...
dali fan
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Jul 24, 2007
4:06 pm

Hi, We did this in Jersey too but we unplugged the probe from machine but left it down thier throoat which is probably what your docs are doing. That is safe....
katie bittner
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Jul 25, 2007
9:52 pm

Have you checked the probes for leakage following any of these procedures? Besides damaging the crystals, I can't imagine that the sheer power of the ...
Chad Harris
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Jul 25, 2007
9:51 pm

There is absolutely no clinical ground for doing this To: echocardiography@...: rdcs1959@...: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:56:09 -0700Subject:...
peter corscadden
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Jul 26, 2007
12:43 pm

... I would understand the rationale for leaving the probe in if the heart is to be examined with TEE after the cardioversion. Removing the probe for the...
MillerGregoryS
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Jul 26, 2007
12:46 pm

Speaking from the anesthesiologist standpoint - I would never allow a probe to be down during administration of sedation for cardioversion - because of the...
The Grabers
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Jul 26, 2007
10:18 pm

I would like to ask about SonoScape portable machine it is new in the market with competitive price But what about its durability and performance in cardiac...
A. Elhewala
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Jul 30, 2007
4:21 pm

Now that one makes sense. The Grabers <rgraber@...> wrote: Speaking from the anesthesiologist standpoint - I would never allow a probe to be down...
a b
ginalulubaby
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Jul 31, 2007
2:09 pm

I would suggest that you read the manual for your system regarding use of the TEE probe. I am quite sure that it will tell you not to do this (for safety...
ekotekr2004
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Jul 30, 2007
4:19 pm

There is no clinical reason to leave the TEE probe in place during a cardioversion. The only conceivable reason for doing so would be a research protocol of...
Stam Kapetanakis
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Jul 30, 2007
4:20 pm

Hard to imagine what he wants to accomplish. I look forward to seeing what others have to say! Gershom Lichtenberg, RDCS Haifa, Israel...
Gerson Lichtenberg
gersonsl7
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Jul 30, 2007
6:10 pm

Okay, because I was curious about his question, I asked one of my cardiologists who has done lots of research. He told me that yes, he has done cardioversions...
echogal1996
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Aug 1, 2007
4:19 pm

I have seen the TEE probe left down one time during a cardioversion. It was a patient that was nearly 400lbs without transthoracic images, even with Definity....
Amy Poland
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Aug 2, 2007
1:08 pm

When I was in fellowship, we performed cardioversion with TEE probe down, as we were part of a study looking at this atrial stunning. However, there is no real...
Erskine James, M.D.
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Aug 2, 2007
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I have substantial experience with cardioverting patients while the TEE probe remains in place. This is relatively common during cardiac surgery. Some...
MillerGregoryS
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Aug 3, 2007
2:48 pm

Interesting comment, but not really relevant to the original poster's concerns. The issue is airway management, which is obviously not a problem in...
Stam Kapetanakis
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Aug 6, 2007
12:58 pm

... poster's concerns. The original post was fairly generic with regard to what was wrong about leaving the probe in place. There were multiple posts that ...
MillerGregoryS
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Aug 6, 2007
9:53 pm

... That would undoubtedly be the case if there was merit to this practice (i.e. if leaving the TEE probe in situ). But there isn't and outside of the context...
Stam Kapetanakis
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Aug 7, 2007
5:31 pm

The absence of evidence is not evidence of its absence. Simply because there has not yet been an adverse event does not make the procedure either safe or wise....
Wayne Moore
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Aug 7, 2007
5:59 pm

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my original question. There were alot of different angles that everyone took. I think I learned alot and came...
bryml
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Aug 7, 2007
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... because there ... safe or ... I agree. But that doesn't mean that speculation and experience should be on an equal footing. Absence of an occurrence DOES...
MillerGregoryS
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Aug 9, 2007
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... Atrial stunning is a well known phenomenon which affects the vast majority of patients of AF post cardioversion. Which is one of the reasons that formal...
Stam Kapetanakis
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Aug 6, 2007
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Even though in the cases where there is an airway problem after cardioversion with the TEE probe down, how long does it take to take the probe out? ... From:...
dali fan
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