I was advised to use Cadet SoftHeat heaters, and though some
of them gurgle and hiss (they need to be very level, but could
be defective sometimes) they work and are good EMF wise once
you get about 2 feet away.  They do emit fumes for the first 2 hours  or so.
There are rubberized tubes at the mounting points inside I was advised to
remove (just need a screwdriver).  Also, there are stick-on labels.  In some
cases these came off easily, in others I could not get them off.  I use the
240Volt wired-in kind.  They do make a plug-in version...I assume it is
similar.  They are 'hydronic'
which I think means water inside the tube.

These are expensive, over $200 depending on size.  The hydronic feature
means there is no exposed element that could burn dust. The Lasko one is
much cheaper and if your place is very low-dust might work fine.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:51 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 21/12/2009 22:46:47 GMT Standard Time,
> minnimall@... <minnimall%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> I never had adverse symptoms from the previous
> > > space heater. Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
> > > pain throughout my body, nausea, headache. I don't know
> > > if this is electrical related
>
> puk replies - presume you have checked the emf and Efeild levels ? also
> the switch might be pumping out hf noise the stetzer meter does not pick up
>
> anthing over 100hz or is it khz.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Drasko,

May I suggest contacting the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Green Bank,
West Virginia.  The number for the Tour Center is 304 456-2150.  Ask to talk to
Mike Holstein (technical).  The Observatory makes sure that the local AM radio
station stops transmitting at sunset until sunrise due to the impact of the
Ionosphere on the sensitivity of the telescopes in Green Bank.  They may be able
to explain the phenomena you are experiencing.

Hope this helps.

Michelle
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: cvijovic
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:46 PM
   Subject: [eSens] small survey




   I would appreciate your feedback regarding the following issue which I was
contemplating this morning...

   Namely, I am rather sure I am able to tell blindly whether outside is cloudy,
based on my greater discomfort if so... As I mentioned, much of the time I am 4
meters under ground, so there is no way to distinguish weather objectively from
that place. Some would say that this has to do with pressure, and such stuff,
and is a kind of weather sensitivity (¨meteopathy¨)... But I am also even more
convinced that Sun rise makes me feel better, what is less likely to have such
simple explanation... (By the way, for Moon I am not so sure but it appears to
be afflicting, especially when high over the night...)

   The most obvious for me is the comfort felt after Sun rises, which further
develops as the Sun goes higher... And, strangely, just before the Sun rises,
the discomfort is rather accented...
   Has anybody observed anything similar? Also,any ideas regarding any theory to
explain so?

   Drasko





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In a message dated 20/12/2009 04:12:30 GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
writes:

Sun, Dec  20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <_paulpjc@..._ (mailto:paulpjc@...)
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any  problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
> > very badly to  my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking
> >  flat
> > roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in  cupboards, I
can
> > sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket  that he has hung in the
> > hall
> > it nearly knocks me  over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset
as I
> > went to his  house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine
and
> >  later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now
>  devloped
> > into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can  be done to kill
> the
> >
> > mould off ?
>  >
> > paul uk
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this  message have been removed]
> >
> >
>  >
>
>
>
> --
> Helen A Murphy
>
>  Environomics.  E
> 0448 877 384
> 03 9372  3217


puk replies - Thanks for all your replies on this, I will try  to get a
sample tested, i have got so ill the last 3 days - flu like probably  was
getting it before the mold exposure but it acted as a catylyst or compounder
either way I am not setting foot in the house until I am  110%  better.
merry christmas

paul uk


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In a message dated 21/12/2009 22:46:47 GMT Standard Time,
minnimall@... writes:

I  never had adverse symptoms from the previous
> > space heater.  Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
> > pain throughout my  body, nausea, headache. I don't know
> > if this is electrical  related


puk replies - presume you have checked the emf and Efeild  levels ? also
the switch might be pumping out hf noise the stetzer meter does  not pick up
anthing over 100hz or is it khz.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Caroline Grist, at the Discovery TV Channel, is looking to interview people
who have an effect on electronic equipment.  They are doing a show on
lightning and other unusual EM phenomenon and she asked if I could get some
people to contact her directly who can't wear watches because they malfunction
or
who can't use computers for the same reason.  She would like to interview
them.

Anyone interested should contact her directly at cgrist@... and
could they send me a copy so I know how many contacts she gets.  My email
address is mhavas@....  

As with most media people she has a deadline looming, so the sooner they
contact her the better. 

She plans to do another show on EHS and will be looking to interview those
people as well.

Magda Havas










.


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P.S. This thread from the Green Canary group should interest, since it includes
comments re: Delonghi & re: the top-rated Lasko:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GreenCanary/message/17451

Note that Lasko was also top-rated on consumersearch.com

Minni


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "minnimall" <minnimall@...> wrote:
>
> For the record, I've been using ComfortZone oil-filled radiator for the past
few years next to my bed, due to drafty room (and the need to supplement the
1950s horrendous forced-air system built into the house).
>
> I've noticed that switching to 900W or 1500W makes no difference in warmth -
rather only turning the knob clockwise to Higher makes it warmer.
>
> Anyway here's the story:
>
> Occasionally, especially when it's been cold & I'd turn it more toward High,
I'd find that the next day upon waking, my body would be overheated with heart
palpitations. It's not so bad, I can live with it (better than being cold which
causes me worse issues).
>
> This DEFINITELY has nothing to do with chemicals, since there's absoltely no
chemicals on this heater.
>
> It probably just is related to the EMFs due to turning it on Higher setting.
>
> P.S. On a tangent, another thing driving me bananas now, is Yahoo's new policy
of vocal ads which comes thru even though my speakers are turned off. (Sorta
like those LOUD beeps come thru telephone when taking phone off hook. Maybe I
should muffle them in pillows like I do with the phone. Or maybe I should
complain to SUN-HEAT re: their ads.. ahem..
>
> Minni
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > I would suggest that the problem is likely to be offgassing of paint and
> > other protective materials.  Sue had very similar problems when we turned on
> > a new oil-filled radiator recently.  Conversely, she has never had problems
> > with similar older units which no longer offgas.  Another thing that gave
> > problems was when we bought a portable electric hotplate to try to avoid
> > using the gas hob; the plastic surface gave off fumes which she reacted to,
> > even after several attempts at heating the unit to offgas it.
> > Ian
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc
> > Martin
> > Sent: 29 November 2006 17:57
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [eSens] oil-filled radiator space heaters?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For years, I've kept our bedroom warm during the winter using
> > an electric space heater containing coils and a fan ("Vornado"
> > brand). This seemed to not be working well anymore, so I went
> > out and bought a new oil-filled radiator ("Delonghi" brand).
> > Surprisingly, I find that I'm getting adverse symptoms from
> > this, where I never had adverse symptoms from the previous
> > space heater. Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
> > pain throughout my body, nausea, headache. I don't know
> > if this is electrical related, or perhaps off-gassing of
> > chemicals. Also, I'm not sure why this should bother me
> > when the previous space heater didn't. (they are being
> > run in the same environment, at about the same wattage).
> >
> > I checked a nearby outlet with the Stetzerizer meter, and
> > it shows no increase in noise with the radiator on.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

For the record, re: Mold & ES:

Some background:
Approx. 2 years ago, I'd been at a IV chelation clinic. (btw, even after 11
expensive treatments of diSodium EDTA, I didn't feel better, nor did replacement
of 17 mercury amalgam fillings, at an expensive Huggins certified dentist, nor
did a zillion subsequent detox avenues help).

Anyway:
Due to my sensitivity to bright lights, I was sharing a separate room with
another woman who'd been mold toxified and who'd been seeing an environmental
doctor who'd been trained by Dr.Rea.

For her benefit, they'd turned on an air purifier in the room.
For my benefit, they'd turned off the lights in the room.

My point:

The mold-toxified woman did NOT require the fluresent turned off.
I did require the flur. turned off.

And she was WAY more chem.sensitive than me.
She even detected my mild underarm deoderant.

I myself am chem. sensitive to perfume/alcohol & alot more.
But NOT to the degree she was.

Minni


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> And even for standard, less toxic moulds, many people who are MCS as well as
> ES (i.e. damaged immune system) react badly to moulds, even if their MCS or
> allergies are fairly mild.
> Ian
>
>   _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Bruno
> Sent: 20 December 2009 04:12
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] MOULD and ES
>
>
>
>
> Mold has neurotoxins. Some strains are considered
> lethal.
>
> The moisture problem must be solved. If it is toxic
> mold (which can be tested) professional removal
> and remediation is worth it.
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@
> <mailto:helenmurphybb%40gmail.com> gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Below is a snippet of a product that is from Germany and available here in
> > Australia under the name LIVOS, which I believe the German company is
> > called
> > too.
> >
> > This extract is from a pdf passed along to me by the Australian company
> and
> > it also contains before and after photos of it in use.
> >
> > You may wish to look them up.
> >
> > Cheers, Helen (Oz)
> >
> > FUNGIVER Mould and Mildew Remover # 1780
> > The new innovation for the treatment of mould and fungus.
> > The new active substance: Peroxicarbonconnections, formed from the
> > available
> > oxygen and fruit acids.
> > The effect: Much stronger than each mould fungus spore.
> > 1. Peroxidation/Disruption of the cell membrane.
> > 2. Oxidation of Anti-oxidation substances oxygen catchers.
> > 3. Oxidation of (Organic Thiole points have an Intensive unpleasant
> smell).
> > 4. Enzyme inhibition.
> > 5. Oxidation of nucleus.
> > 6. Overloading of the energy balance.
> > 7. Destruction of the protein synthesis.
> > 8. Complete cell destruction/death of cell.
> > Identified in the mould fungus cell
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com>
> com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
> > > very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking
> > > flat
> > > roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I
> can
> > > sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in the
> > > hall
> > > it nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset as
> I
> > > went to his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine and
> > > later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now
> > devloped
> > > into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can be done to kill
> > the
> > >
> > > mould off ?
> > >
> > > paul uk
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Helen A Murphy
> >
> > Environomics.com.au
> > 0448 877 384
> > 03 9372 3217
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

For the record, I've been using ComfortZone oil-filled radiator for the past few
years next to my bed, due to drafty room (and the need to supplement the 1950s
horrendous forced-air system built into the house).

I've noticed that switching to 900W or 1500W makes no difference in warmth -
rather only turning the knob clockwise to Higher makes it warmer.

Anyway here's the story:

Occasionally, especially when it's been cold & I'd turn it more toward High, I'd
find that the next day upon waking, my body would be overheated with heart
palpitations. It's not so bad, I can live with it (better than being cold which
causes me worse issues).

This DEFINITELY has nothing to do with chemicals, since there's absoltely no
chemicals on this heater.

It probably just is related to the EMFs due to turning it on Higher setting.

P.S. On a tangent, another thing driving me bananas now, is Yahoo's new policy
of vocal ads which comes thru even though my speakers are turned off. (Sorta
like those LOUD beeps come thru telephone when taking phone off hook. Maybe I
should muffle them in pillows like I do with the phone. Or maybe I should
complain to SUN-HEAT re: their ads.. ahem..

Minni

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I would suggest that the problem is likely to be offgassing of paint and
> other protective materials.  Sue had very similar problems when we turned on
> a new oil-filled radiator recently.  Conversely, she has never had problems
> with similar older units which no longer offgas.  Another thing that gave
> problems was when we bought a portable electric hotplate to try to avoid
> using the gas hob; the plastic surface gave off fumes which she reacted to,
> even after several attempts at heating the unit to offgas it.
> Ian
>
>   _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc
> Martin
> Sent: 29 November 2006 17:57
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eSens] oil-filled radiator space heaters?
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For years, I've kept our bedroom warm during the winter using
> an electric space heater containing coils and a fan ("Vornado"
> brand). This seemed to not be working well anymore, so I went
> out and bought a new oil-filled radiator ("Delonghi" brand).
> Surprisingly, I find that I'm getting adverse symptoms from
> this, where I never had adverse symptoms from the previous
> space heater. Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
> pain throughout my body, nausea, headache. I don't know
> if this is electrical related, or perhaps off-gassing of
> chemicals. Also, I'm not sure why this should bother me
> when the previous space heater didn't. (they are being
> run in the same environment, at about the same wattage).
>
> I checked a nearby outlet with the Stetzerizer meter, and
> it shows no increase in noise with the radiator on.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

My name is Caroline Grist, and I work for the TV company Cineflix.

We are making a film about any real-life cases of people who seem to interact
strangely with electricity.

We're not so much looking for people who become sick, but those of you who shut
down computers, cause street lamps to go off, blow fuses, or when static
electricity surrounding you causes a loud noise, sparks, or a fire.

If you have had this happen, we'd love to hear from you. If you know of anyone
to whom this has happened in the USA or Canada, please ask them to get in touch.

Thanks so much,

Caroline Grist
carolinegrist@...

Cineflix,
233 Spring St.,
New York,
NY 10013

Office: 212 627 2330 ext 455

www.cineflix.com

http://www.secretofthieves.com/mold.cfm
 
Here is one of the sites I got when I Googled Dr. Close Thieves Oil Mold
 
Josie




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If you Google on a Dr. Close, I believe his name is.....and the research he has
done on the use of Thieves oil to kill mold.  It is impressive.  I believe it
shows it continues to kill mold for quite some time. 
 
However, if you cannot tolerate the smell of that oil, then it is of no use.  It
bothers me. 
Nonetheless, I have a very moldy closet.  I put on a mask, open the door a
crack, spray the thieves oil in along the tiny opening from the top of the door
to the bottom, quickly shut the door and then seal around it with tape.  Josie




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--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "lunagirl32002" <j_genser@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever tried or heard anything about this? http://www.newstarget.com/
> 021415.html
>

I bought this a couple of months ago.  I've been using it for a couple of months
now and it is very good.   It produces waves in multiples of the 7.83 Schumann
resonance.  They actually show up on a Trifeld meter.  As a whole my health has
improved and I'm glad I made the leap of faith to make the purchase.

And even for standard, less toxic moulds, many people who are MCS as well as
ES (i.e. damaged immune system) react badly to moulds, even if their MCS or
allergies are fairly mild.
Ian

   _____

From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Bruno
Sent: 20 December 2009 04:12
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] MOULD and ES




Mold has neurotoxins. Some strains are considered
lethal.

The moisture problem must be solved. If it is toxic
mold (which can be tested) professional removal
and remediation is worth it.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@
<mailto:helenmurphybb%40gmail.com> gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Below is a snippet of a product that is from Germany and available here in
> Australia under the name LIVOS, which I believe the German company is
> called
> too.
>
> This extract is from a pdf passed along to me by the Australian company
and
> it also contains before and after photos of it in use.
>
> You may wish to look them up.
>
> Cheers, Helen (Oz)
>
> FUNGIVER Mould and Mildew Remover # 1780
> The new innovation for the treatment of mould and fungus.
> The new active substance: Peroxicarbonconnections, formed from the
> available
> oxygen and fruit acids.
> The effect: Much stronger than each mould fungus spore.
> 1. Peroxidation/Disruption of the cell membrane.
> 2. Oxidation of Anti-oxidation substances oxygen catchers.
> 3. Oxidation of (Organic Thiole points have an Intensive unpleasant
smell).
> 4. Enzyme inhibition.
> 5. Oxidation of nucleus.
> 6. Overloading of the energy balance.
> 7. Destruction of the protein synthesis.
> 8. Complete cell destruction/death of cell.
> Identified in the mould fungus cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com>
com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
> > very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking
> > flat
> > roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I
can
> > sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in the
> > hall
> > it nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset as
I
> > went to his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine and
> > later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now
> devloped
> > into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can be done to kill
> the
> >
> > mould off ?
> >
> > paul uk
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Helen A Murphy
>
> Environomics.com.au
> 0448 877 384
> 03 9372 3217
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mold has neurotoxins.  Some strains are considered
lethal.

The moisture problem must be solved.  If it is toxic
mold (which can be tested) professional removal
and remediation is worth it.


On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@...>wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Below is a snippet of a product that is from Germany and available here in
> Australia under the name LIVOS, which I believe the German company is
> called
> too.
>
> This extract is from a pdf passed along to me by the Australian company and
> it also contains before and after photos of it in use.
>
> You may wish to look them up.
>
> Cheers, Helen (Oz)
>
> FUNGIVER Mould and Mildew Remover # 1780
> The new innovation for the treatment of mould and fungus.
> The new active substance: Peroxicarbonconnections, formed from the
> available
> oxygen and fruit acids.
> The effect: Much stronger than each mould fungus spore.
> 1. Peroxidation/Disruption of the cell membrane.
> 2. Oxidation of Anti-oxidation substances oxygen catchers.
> 3. Oxidation of (Organic Thiole points have an Intensive unpleasant smell).
> 4. Enzyme inhibition.
> 5. Oxidation of nucleus.
> 6. Overloading of the energy balance.
> 7. Destruction of the protein synthesis.
> 8. Complete cell destruction/death of cell.
> Identified in the mould fungus cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
> > very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking
> > flat
> > roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I can
> > sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in the
> > hall
> > it nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset as I
> > went to his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine and
> > later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now
> devloped
> > into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can be done to kill
> the
> >
> > mould off ?
> >
> > paul uk
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Helen A Murphy
>
> Environomics.com.au
> 0448 877 384
> 03 9372 3217
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Paul,

Below is a snippet of a product that is from Germany and available here in
Australia under the name LIVOS, which I believe the German company is called
too.

This extract is from a pdf passed along to me by the Australian company and
it also contains before and after photos of it in use.

You may wish to look them up.

Cheers, Helen (Oz)

FUNGIVER Mould and Mildew Remover # 1780
The new innovation for the treatment of mould and fungus.
The new active substance: Peroxicarbonconnections, formed from the available
oxygen and fruit acids.
The effect: Much stronger than each mould fungus spore.
1. Peroxidation/Disruption of the cell membrane.
2. Oxidation of Anti-oxidation substances oxygen catchers.
3. Oxidation of (Organic Thiole points have an Intensive unpleasant smell).
4. Enzyme inhibition.
5. Oxidation of nucleus.
6. Overloading of the energy balance.
7. Destruction of the protein synthesis.
8. Complete cell destruction/death of cell.
Identified in the mould fungus cell

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
> very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking
> flat
> roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I can
> sure smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in the
> hall
> it nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset as I
> went to his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine and
> later that night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now devloped
> into a cough and itchy top inside my chest !!! what can be done to kill the
>
> mould off ?
>
> paul uk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Helen A Murphy

Environomics.com.au
0448 877 384
03 9372 3217


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Does anyone have any problems with mould, recently I have been reacting
very badly to my Dads house whgich due to long term damp from a leaking flat
roof smells mouldy although I cant see the stuff only in cupboards, I can
sure  smell it, in fact if my dad wears a jacket that he has hung in the hall
it  nearly knocks me over, any one elese experienced this, I am upset as I
went to  his house for only 40 mins to try to fix his washing machine and
later that  night got a sore throat and wheezy chest which has now devloped
into a cough and  itchy top inside my chest !!!  what can be done to kill the
mould off  ?

paul uk


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In a message dated 18/12/2009 16:19:03 GMT Standard Time, jspirit@...
  writes:

Here's a  good link to the Prevention Magazine article and a link to
the EMF Safety  Network website, which is a cumulation of the past
three years of  research. This site is designed to provide quality
information and to help  the activist. Featured is a World Concerns
Summary and a compilation of  global EMF ad RF Websites and commentary
by Cindy Sage, co editor of the  Bioinitiative Report. We also have a
Smart Meter info page. Feedback  welcome.

Sandi Maurer

_http://emfsafetynethttp://emhttp://emhtt_
(http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=167)

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Many  thanks for this - Paul UK -


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Great site sandy!


On 2009-12-18, at 11:17 AM, Sandi Maurer wrote:

> Here's a good link to the Prevention Magazine article and a link to
> the EMF Safety Network website, which is a cumulation of the past
> three years of research. This site is designed to provide quality
> information and to help the activist. Featured is a World Concerns
> Summary and a compilation of global EMF ad RF Websites and commentary
> by Cindy Sage, co editor of the Bioinitiative Report. We also have a
> Smart Meter info page. Feedback welcome.
>
> Sandi Maurer
>
> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=167
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Here's a good link to the Prevention Magazine article and a link to
the EMF Safety Network website, which is a cumulation of the past
three years of research. This site is designed to provide quality
information and to help the activist. Featured is a World Concerns
Summary and a compilation of global EMF ad RF Websites and commentary
by Cindy Sage, co editor of the Bioinitiative Report. We also have a
Smart Meter info page. Feedback welcome.

Sandi Maurer

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=167




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I am a working stiff.not lots of money!  I do not have a land line.I work
with a VoiP phone.  I do have a cell phone but don't keep it on me or stay
on it any longer than I have to.  Yes there are dimmers about the house.  I
deelectrify my bedroom at night.  I do not use any of the curly
fluorescents.  I do have a couple of regular fluorescent lights in the
utility room but do not stay under them.



From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 7:02 PM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Hello





> I think it is more the cell phone frequencies that I am sensitive to.

Okay, what about the phones in your house -- are they wireless or wired?
(people here usually do better with wired phones). What about dimmer
switches -- those can cause people trouble. And energy-efficient
compact florescent lights -- these are worse than the old incandesent
lights.

And if you're using a laptop, using an external monitor, keyboard and
mouse can help merely by getting yourself further away from the laptop.
And people with lots of money can use fiber optic cables,
so some of the damaging frequencies don't travel along the wires
from your laptop to your monitor/keyboard/mouse (but this would
require digital outputs: DVI for the monitor, and USB for the keyboard
and mouse)

Marc





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> I think it is more the cell phone frequencies that I am sensitive to.

Okay, what about the phones in your house -- are they wireless or wired?
(people here usually do better with wired phones).  What about dimmer
switches -- those can cause people trouble.  And energy-efficient
compact florescent lights -- these are worse than the old incandesent
lights.

And if you're using a laptop, using an external monitor, keyboard and
mouse can help merely by getting yourself further away from the laptop.
And people with lots of money can use fiber optic cables,
so some of the damaging frequencies don't travel along the wires
from your laptop to your monitor/keyboard/mouse (but this would
require digital outputs: DVI for the monitor, and USB for the keyboard
and mouse)

Marc

Friends and distinguished scientists from around the world,
I have finally have some support from a department head at the
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, North Carolina, that will
listen to the effects of WiFi radiation.

The department head has been understanding of my ES condition and has
worked with an individual in the technology services to have certain
routers turned off temporarily in certain areas while I rehearse or
perform concerts.

I will soon be presenting materials to various faculty members on the
health risks of wireless radiation. My goal is to have the wireless
internet routers turned off permanently in the Kenan Music Building
where I work. I want others to have to request to have them turned on
for specific events rather than blasting 24/7.

This project is to collect short video interviews with distinguished
scientists and people from various backgrounds and also from people
that are ES. I would like a short video clip of you introducing
yourself and then saying something like "wireless radiation makes me
sick and I support Andrew's petition to turn off the WiFi in the Kenan
Music Building." You can add information about your background and
about scientific reports, etc., anything you deem relevant up to 2
minutes in length.

I can also record incoming Skype calls if you coordinate a time with
me prior to the call.
I can handle 20 MB files if emailed to me.
I will pay you the shipping costs if you need to ship a DVD to me of
your interview. If you are local in the Raleigh area, I can drive to
your house to video.

Please contact me ASAP if are able to help. I would like to collect
these by January 3, 2010.
These videos will not be used on the internet, YouTube, TV or in any
other public capacity without your approval.

You are welcome to send letters instead of video, if you prefer, but I
think videos will have more impact.

Thank you!!
Andrew




Andrew McAfee

University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Adjunct Instructor of Horn
Triangle Youth Ballet Music Director/Conductor
Principal Horn, North Carolina Symphony (1992-2007)

6135 Westglen Drive
Raleigh, NC 27612
919-787-3022
amcafeerr@...



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Thanks Giles.   I have one of the special keyboards to use with my laptop.  It
totally messed up the system however so I had to abandon it.  I have a shield
under my laptop, but I work at it all day



From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Christina Steils
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:46 PM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello





The only thing i can recommend is to use a separate keyboard on your computer so
you are are as far away from the EMF make sure there is a little as possible
wireless in the office, cable everything for the net, and dont be near any light
bulbs that flicker thats a good start.
As for gadgets out there, dont rely on them. You will improve if you give your
body time to recover especially at night which is so important.
Diets, just eat heathy it cant hurt, I haven't heard of anyone out there who has
found a magic pill yet?
Reki and Qi Gong helps me, cope and understand energy.
Hope this helps.
Giles

--- On Thu, 17/12/09, indigo <lynn@...
<mailto:lynn%40indigocenter.com> > wrote:

From: indigo <lynn@... <mailto:lynn%40indigocenter.com> >
Subject: [eSens] Hello
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 15:33



I would like to introduce myself. I do not have the serious effects that many of
you may have. But I feel it in my body as aches pains and headaches in a deep
way. My work requires computer hi speed connection and so I am looking for
whatever suggestions for protection and remediation anyone can suggest that is
tangible. I have tried most of the things on the market and don't know how well
they really abate the frequencies. I also council clients on how to improve
their health and EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I want to
learn all I can to help them as well. Thank you! Lynn

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I have my wifi disabled and use ethernet.  I don't understand all the
technical info though.   I live way out in the country where cell towers are
not too good.  A well meaning techie friend installed a cell phone
repeater/amplifier in my house.  That night I experienced sleep disturbance
and cramping pain all over my body.  I shut it off that night and do not use
it except when someone needs to temporarily. I think it is more the cell
phone frequencies that I am sensitive to.



I notice my fingers hurt a great deal and get cold from typing all day.  I
do have a pair of shielded gloves but they are not always convenient.



Computers always misbehave or crash around me. I live in retrograde Mercury!
My son won't let me touch his!  J



From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:21 PM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello





Hi Lynn,

So do you think it is your highspeed internet connection that is causing you
the most trouble? I find the highspeed internet connection is the worst when
it is actually being used -- that is for downloading or uploading for
extended periods of time. Also, I've found that the higher speeds of cable
were worse than the lower speeds of DSL (also, there are software
applications which will "throttle" your speed, and I've found that these do
indeed help if you lower the peak speeds).

I have NOT found improvement by using specially shielded ethernet cables (I
assume you are using ethernet and NOT wireless!).

I have found improvement by using different computers using the same high
speed connection, so there is some contribution from the computer and/or the
network card (perhaps a 10/100 connection is easier to tolerate than a
10/100/1000 connection? I don't know)

Also, I've had some luck with EMF protection devices with the highspeed
internet -- quantum products, earthcalm, etc.

Marc

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:26 -0000, "indigo" <lynn@...
<mailto:lynn%40indigocenter.com> > said:
> I would like to introduce myself. I do not have the serious effects that
> many of you may have. But I feel it in my body as aches pains and
> headaches in a deep way. My work requires computer hi speed connection
> and so I am looking for whatever suggestions for protection and
> remediation anyone can suggest that is tangible. I have tried most of
> the things on the market and don't know how well they really abate the
> frequencies. I also council clients on how to improve their health and
> EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I want to learn all I
> can to help them as well. Thank you! Lynn
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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The only thing i can recommend is to use a separate keyboard on your computer so
you are are as far away from the EMF make sure there is a little as possible
wireless in the office, cable everything for the net, and dont be near any light
bulbs that flicker thats a good start.
As for gadgets out there, dont rely on them. You will improve if you give your
body time to recover especially at night which is so important.
Diets, just eat heathy it cant hurt, I haven't heard of anyone out there who has
found a magic pill yet?
Reki and Qi Gong helps me, cope and understand energy. 
Hope this helps.
Giles

--- On Thu, 17/12/09, indigo <lynn@...> wrote:

From: indigo <lynn@...>
Subject: [eSens] Hello
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 15:33
















 









       I would like to introduce myself.  I do not have the serious effects that
many of you may have.  But I feel it in my body as aches pains and headaches in
a deep way.  My work requires computer hi speed connection and so I am looking
for whatever suggestions for protection and remediation anyone can suggest that
is tangible.  I have tried most of the things on the market and don't know how
well they really abate the frequencies.  I also council clients on how to
improve their health and EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I
want to learn all I can to help them as well.  Thank you!   Lynn






























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Hi Lynn,

So do you think it is your highspeed internet connection that is causing you the
most trouble?  I find the highspeed internet connection is the worst when it is
actually being used -- that is for downloading or uploading for extended periods
of time.  Also, I've found that the higher speeds of cable were worse than the
lower speeds of DSL (also, there are software applications which will "throttle"
your speed, and I've found that these do indeed help if you lower the peak
speeds).

I have NOT found improvement by using specially shielded ethernet cables (I
assume you are using ethernet and NOT wireless!).

I have found improvement by using different computers using the same high speed
connection, so there is some contribution from the computer and/or the network
card (perhaps a 10/100 connection is easier to tolerate than a 10/100/1000
connection?  I don't know)

Also, I've had some luck with EMF protection devices with the highspeed internet
-- quantum products, earthcalm, etc.

Marc


On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:26 -0000, "indigo" <lynn@...> said:
> I would like to introduce myself.  I do not have the serious effects that
> many of you may have.  But I feel it in my body as aches pains and
> headaches in a deep way.  My work requires computer hi speed connection
> and so I am looking for whatever suggestions for protection and
> remediation anyone can suggest that is tangible.  I have tried most of
> the things on the market and don't know how well they really abate the
> frequencies.  I also council clients on how to improve their health and
> EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I want to learn all I
> can to help them as well.  Thank you!   Lynn
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hello Lynn and the EMF newsgroup.

Prevention Magazine  has just released a Special Report about electrosmog and
EHS and the causes.  And it really is amazing what they said. At this time, the
page to the article has been hacked so the page is a mess. The editors supplied
one of the scientists that was interviewed ( magda havas )  with a link that
works.

This is the page that has been hacked - It would be interesting to know what
other people from other countries are seeing.

http://www.prevention.com/cda/inthisissue.do

This is the link to the article on Magda Havas site that has a link to the story
and a video from the editor of Prevention.

http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/12/13/prevention-magazine-explains-dirty-electric\
ity/

I went a bought a pile of copies to hand out to the disbelievers. I seems to
make a difference when it comes from Prevention magazine......It's finally
making it's way to the mainstream...... A nice christmas present for EHS
sufferers indeed.




On 2009-12-17, at 10:33 AM, indigo wrote:

> I would like to introduce myself. I do not have the serious effects that many
of you may have. But I feel it in my body as aches pains and headaches in a deep
way. My work requires computer hi speed connection and so I am looking for
whatever suggestions for protection and remediation anyone can suggest that is
tangible. I have tried most of the things on the market and don't know how well
they really abate the frequencies. I also council clients on how to improve
their health and EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I want to
learn all I can to help them as well. Thank you! Lynn
>
>



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I would like to introduce myself.  I do not have the serious effects that many
of you may have.  But I feel it in my body as aches pains and headaches in a
deep way.  My work requires computer hi speed connection and so I am looking for
whatever suggestions for protection and remediation anyone can suggest that is
tangible.  I have tried most of the things on the market and don't know how well
they really abate the frequencies.  I also council clients on how to improve
their health and EMF is an ever growing concern for them as well and I want to
learn all I can to help them as well.  Thank you!   Lynn

Well my hand stops shaking when I wear the bracelet.  I  know it's doing
something and for now something is better than  nothing.

Its supposed to balance your body.

Estelle


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Estelle
 
What Es symptoms and problems in particular does it help you with.
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 13/12/09, e4health@... <e4health@...> wrote:


From: e4health@... <e4health@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wrist Band
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 17:05


 



Steph,

This is no ordinary rubber band. Go back to the site and read how it is
made. It definitely helps me.


Estelle

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