In a message dated 8/31/2007 10:22:29 PM GMT Daylight Time,  wbruno@...
writes:

the  high frequencies. They produce almost no magnetic fields compared
to  Stetzer filters (but Stetzer's are useful to stop RF that's already  in
the
wires without needing an electrician. If you use the isolators  where stuff
is plugged in your Stetzer reading should be great unless RF is  coming
from the neighbors...

Billl



Paul UK replies

The RF bit intrests me, is there a meter that can measure RF evan at very
low levels, and random/multiple frequencies.  I wonder wether all EMFS and  Elec
feilds radiate RF as an enevitable by product, ? What is atypical RF  profile
for emissions from mouse cables/Keyboards Laptops etc.

Any Ideas welcome

Paul






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1 mG is 1 milligauss.  It's a threshold for AC magnetic fields.

The isolators, like from iceradioproducts, are filters.  There are lots
of filters out there.  Stetzer filters are capacitors which short out
high frequencies.  The iceradioproducts ones (which are not pretty
to look at, but work very well for the money) include ferrites to block
(reflect)
the high frequencies. They produce almost no magnetic fields compared
to Stetzer filters (but Stetzer's are useful to stop RF that's already in
the
wires without needing an electrician.  If you use the isolators where stuff
is plugged in your Stetzer reading should be great unless RF is coming
from the neighbors...

Billl

On 8/30/07, m.a.norman <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
>   Thanks for your reply Bill. Can you tell me what 1mG is and where I can
> find
> a supplier online if it's not too expensive.
>
> I definitely believe I'm being subjected to dirty electricity along with
> the
> emf.
> From the outset the party walls were registering strange levels on tech
> machines, including those from the NRPB when they came out. I think the
> dirty electricity is probably an offshoot from this.. Can you tell me if
> the
> AC Isolator would help, also how much it is and where it can be purchased
> from. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@... <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl
>
> > I think it's going to depend on exactly where the wires sit in the box
> etc.
> > One probably should not worry about signals right at the outlet;
> > just don't sleep right next to one. Ed Leeper's book recommends
> measuring
> > about 8" from the wall.
> >
> > If you've seen the new bioInitiative report, it is clear that you want <
> 1mG
> > in your rooms. If you share a wall you may also need to think about
> dirty
> > power. I did get an AC isolator (model 475) from iceradioproducts.com.
> > It took a long time for delivery. It works great. They also sell a whole
> > house isolator that an electrician would install.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On 8/30/07, m.a.norman <m.a.norman@...<m.a.norman%40ntlworld.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me what the reading usually is when you place your
> > > TriField meter against one of your wall sockets where you plug an
> > > electrical appliance in. Mine fluctuates on those on and against the
> > > party wall to next door.
> > >
> > > Can you tell me what the reading is on 0-100 when not in use and
> > > switched off and what it is when you run an appliance from the plug.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...
<wbruno%40gmail.com><wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroup
> s.com>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl
> > >
> > > > I'm curious what an engineer would say.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a
> phone
> > > > line. But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in
> practice
> > > > may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
> > > > tight? Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
> > > > especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?
> > > >
> > > > It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
> > > > digital cable TV but not analog cable....
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@...
<pkcoff%40gmail.com><pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive
> problems
> > > > > with
> > > > > it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable
> internet
> > > > > would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet
> > > just
> > > > > for
> > > > > the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that
> > > really
> > > > > affects me. Thanks.
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Re some reacting to digital cable vs analog--I know I do.  Analog is fine,
digital I cannot be around.

Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:          I'm curious what an engineer would
say.

I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a phone
line. But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in practice
may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
tight? Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?

It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
digital cable TV but not analog cable....

Bill

On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:
>
> I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems
> with
> it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet just
> for
> the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that really
> affects me. Thanks.
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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Thanks for your reply Bill.  Can you tell me what 1mG is and where I can
find
a supplier online if it's not too expensive.

I definitely believe I'm being subjected to dirty electricity along with the
emf.
From the outset the party walls were registering strange levels on tech
machines, including those from the NRPB when they came out.  I think the
dirty electricity is probably an offshoot from this..  Can you tell me if
the
AC Isolator would help, also how much it is and where it can be purchased
from.   Thanks

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl


> I think it's going to depend on exactly where the wires sit in the box
etc.
> One probably should not worry about signals right at the outlet;
> just don't sleep right next to one.  Ed Leeper's book recommends measuring
> about 8" from the wall.
>
> If you've seen the new bioInitiative report, it is clear that you want <
1mG
> in your rooms.  If you share a wall you may also need to think about dirty
> power.  I did get an AC isolator (model 475) from iceradioproducts.com.
> It took a long time for delivery.  It works great.  They also sell a whole
> house isolator that an electrician would install.
>
> Bill
>
> On 8/30/07, m.a.norman <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Can someone tell me what the reading usually is when you place your
> > TriField meter against one of your wall sockets where you plug an
> > electrical appliance in. Mine fluctuates on those on and against the
> > party wall to next door.
> >
> > Can you tell me what the reading is on 0-100 when not in use and
> > switched off and what it is when you run an appliance from the plug.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@... <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl
> >
> > > I'm curious what an engineer would say.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a
phone
> > > line. But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in
practice
> > > may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
> > > tight? Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
> > > especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?
> > >
> > > It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
> > > digital cable TV but not analog cable....
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@... <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive
problems
> > > > with
> > > > it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable
internet
> > > > would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet
> > just
> > > > for
> > > > the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that
> > really
> > > > affects me. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Paul Coffman
> > > >
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> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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In a message dated 8/30/2007 6:29:44 PM GMT Daylight Time, wbruno@...
writes:

I did  get an AC isolator (model 475) from iceradioproducts.I di
It took a  long time for delivery. It works great. They also sell a whole
house  isolator that an electrician would  install.

Bill



Can you explian what a AC Isolator is please bill, thanks
Paul UK






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I think it's going to depend on exactly where the wires sit in the box etc.
One probably should not worry about signals right at the outlet;
just don't sleep right next to one.  Ed Leeper's book recommends measuring
about 8" from the wall.

If you've seen the new bioInitiative report, it is clear that you want < 1mG
in your rooms.  If you share a wall you may also need to think about dirty
power.  I did get an AC isolator (model 475) from iceradioproducts.com.
It took a long time for delivery.  It works great.  They also sell a whole
house isolator that an electrician would install.

Bill

On 8/30/07, m.a.norman <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
>   Can someone tell me what the reading usually is when you place your
> TriField meter against one of your wall sockets where you plug an
> electrical appliance in. Mine fluctuates on those on and against the
> party wall to next door.
>
> Can you tell me what the reading is on 0-100 when not in use and
> switched off and what it is when you run an appliance from the plug.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Maureen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@... <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl
>
> > I'm curious what an engineer would say.
> >
> > I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a phone
> > line. But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in practice
> > may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
> > tight? Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
> > especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?
> >
> > It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
> > digital cable TV but not analog cable....
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@... <pkcoff%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems
> > > with
> > > it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable internet
> > > would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet
> just
> > > for
> > > the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that
> really
> > > affects me. Thanks.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Coffman
> > >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 26/08/07
> 21:34
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>
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Can someone tell me what the reading usually is when you place your
TriField meter against one of your wall sockets where you plug an
electrical appliance in.  Mine fluctuates on those on and against the
party wall to next door.

Can you tell me what the reading is on 0-100 when not in use and
switched off and what it is when you run an appliance from the plug.

Thank you.

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl


> I'm curious what an engineer would say.
>
> I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a phone
> line.  But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in practice
> may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
> tight?  Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
> especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?
>
> It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
> digital cable TV but not analog cable....
>
> Bill
>
> On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:
> >
> >   I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems
> > with
> > it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable internet
> > would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet just
> > for
> > the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that
really
> > affects me. Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.9/975 - Release Date: 26/08/07
21:34
>
>

I have measured with some TV cables, that they emit 30 kHz signals.
And, electrosensibles may react to those horrible signals.

The ssame goes for shielded cables in housing.
You may keep the electrical fields inside the cables itsself, but they are
free at the wall sockets.
I have also found that on higher floors in buildings, the shielding layer
works like an antenna, and picks up high frequency signales from mobile
phone masts, and transport those signals.

So, it is important that those cables are well grounded, and the wall socket
housings also.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
lid Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Coffman" <pkcoff@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 17:11
Subject: Re: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl


> No I guess i can't actually verify it since i had to give the cable modem
> back.  It wasn't wireless.  THere's no shielding, 23 year old cable wires
> i'm sure.   Cable provides tv signals and that doesn't bother me.
>
> On 8/30/07, Stewart A. <sandreas41@...> wrote:
>>
>>   Paul Coffman wrote:
>> > With or without the modem - the modem makes it a bit worse, but not by
>> > much. I cancelled it and went back to my DSL. At my father's place I
>> > could never sleep - he has cable internet and I got exactly the same
>> > feeling, I just never thought that would be the problem.
>> >
>> >
>> Interesting,
>>
>> Can you verify the cable is disconnected now?
>> Does this cable also provide TV signals? or was it installed only for
>> internet connection?
>>
>> Doesn't the cable have a ground shield?
>> If so, did you try grounding that wrapper?
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>

I do think that bends in the cable will radiate higher frequencies more
so than lowish frequencies, and clearly 23 years ago no one anticipated
running internet on there as well as TV...
Bill

On 8/30/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:
>
>   No I guess i can't actually verify it since i had to give the cable
> modem
> back. It wasn't wireless. THere's no shielding, 23 year old cable wires
> i'm sure. Cable provides tv signals and that doesn't bother me.
>
> On 8/30/07, Stewart A. <sandreas41@...<sandreas41%40sysmatrix.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Paul Coffman wrote:
> > > With or without the modem - the modem makes it a bit worse, but not by
> > > much. I cancelled it and went back to my DSL. At my father's place I
> > > could never sleep - he has cable internet and I got exactly the same
> > > feeling, I just never thought that would be the problem.
> > >
> > >
> > Interesting,
> >
> > Can you verify the cable is disconnected now?
> > Does this cable also provide TV signals? or was it installed only for
> > internet connection?
> >
> > Doesn't the cable have a ground shield?
> > If so, did you try grounding that wrapper?
> >
> > Stewart
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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No I guess i can't actually verify it since i had to give the cable modem
back.  It wasn't wireless.  THere's no shielding, 23 year old cable wires
i'm sure.   Cable provides tv signals and that doesn't bother me.

On 8/30/07, Stewart A. <sandreas41@...> wrote:
>
>   Paul Coffman wrote:
> > With or without the modem - the modem makes it a bit worse, but not by
> > much. I cancelled it and went back to my DSL. At my father's place I
> > could never sleep - he has cable internet and I got exactly the same
> > feeling, I just never thought that would be the problem.
> >
> >
> Interesting,
>
> Can you verify the cable is disconnected now?
> Does this cable also provide TV signals? or was it installed only for
> internet connection?
>
> Doesn't the cable have a ground shield?
> If so, did you try grounding that wrapper?
>
> Stewart
>
>
>



--
Paul Coffman


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Paul Coffman wrote:
> With or without the modem - the modem makes it a bit worse, but not by
> much.  I cancelled it and went back to my DSL.   At my father's place I
> could never sleep - he has cable internet and I got exactly the same
> feeling, I just never thought that would be the problem.
>
>
Interesting,

Can you verify the cable is disconnected now?
Does this cable also provide TV signals? or was it installed only for
internet connection?

Doesn't the cable have a ground shield?
If so, did you try grounding that wrapper?

Stewart

I'm curious what an engineer would say.

I'm thinking that ideally a coax cable is a lot less leaky than a phone
line.  But the coax probably has much higher frequencies, and in practice
may not be properly grounded or may have bends or kinks that are too
tight?  Conceivably the cable is not such great quality and radiates
especially to nearby metal wires or objects that act like antennas?

It seems like I read somewhere that some people have problems with
digital cable TV but not analog cable....

Bill

On 8/29/07, Paul Coffman <pkcoff@...> wrote:
>
>   I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems
> with
> it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet just
> for
> the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that really
> affects me. Thanks.
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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In a message dated 8/30/2007 5:52:09 AM GMT Daylight Time, pkcoff@...
writes:

Paul  Coffman wrote:
> > I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and  had massive problems
> with
> > it - basically couldn't sleep.  Can anayone think of why cable internet
> > would emit something that  dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet just
>  for



Another thought - when on DSL it used phone cables, maybe the Chartercable
pulls in alot more electropollution due to its route to the house, are they
sharing the bandwidth with others and so the signal is polluted etc..
Paul uk






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In a message dated 8/30/2007 8:04:39 AM GMT Daylight Time,
charles@... writes:

I  switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems  with
> it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable  internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the  internet just
> for
> the TV is fine - something happens when I  put the internet on that really
> affects me. Thanks.
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>



Is it not that the cabling simply carries so much info that it becomes more
leaky/radiant with all manner of spikey emissions ?

Paul UK






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What kind of modem are you using?
Is it wireless?
Does it has antennas on it?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Coffman" <pkcoff@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 23:14
Subject: [eSens] charter cable internet worse than dsl


>I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems with
> it - basically couldn't sleep.  Can anayone think of why cable internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't?  Cable without the internet just
> for
> the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that really
> affects me.  Thanks.
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>

With or without the modem - the modem makes it a bit worse, but not by
much.  I cancelled it and went back to my DSL.   At my father's place I
could never sleep - he has cable internet and I got exactly the same
feeling, I just never thought that would be the problem.

On 8/29/07, Stewart A. <sandreas41@...> wrote:
>
>   Paul Coffman wrote:
> > I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems
> with
> > it - basically couldn't sleep. Can anayone think of why cable internet
> > would emit something that dsl wouldn't? Cable without the internet just
> for
> > the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that
> really
> > affects me. Thanks.
> >
> >
> Hi Paul,
>
> With or without the cable plugged into the "modem" or internet equipment?
>
> Powered on or off?
>
> Stewart
>
>
>



--
Paul Coffman


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> Can anayone think of why cable internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't?

I guess one could compare the voltage inside a cable versus
the voltage in the phone lines.  When touching the end of
a cable, I've gotten a shock.  I don't recall that happening
with a phone line.

Marc

Paul Coffman wrote:
> I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems with
> it - basically couldn't sleep.  Can anayone think of why cable internet
> would emit something that dsl wouldn't?  Cable without the internet just for
> the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that really
> affects me.  Thanks.
>
>
Hi Paul,

With or without the cable plugged into the "modem" or internet equipment?

Powered on or off?

Stewart

I switched from DSL to charter cable internet and had massive problems with
it - basically couldn't sleep.  Can anayone think of why cable internet
would emit something that dsl wouldn't?  Cable without the internet just for
the TV is fine - something happens when I put the internet on that really
affects me.  Thanks.

--
Paul Coffman


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In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:41:04 PM GMT Daylight Time,
sandreas41@... writes:

Hi  Seshmet,

If you feel it worse near the computer, then you are sensitive  to the
EMF fields made by the computer.




I am not so sure about this - The EMF RF ELECFEILDS may all be cuasing a
reaction, at what point does a hi emf behin to radiate as RF and so on, I for
one have problems with all 3, its complex !

Paul UK






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Seshmet wrote:
> like i said i only actually feel it in the computer room but know it
> is affecting me for a long time in other places just in different
> ways just seems to be stronger here and affecting me with tingles in
>

Hi Seshmet,

If you feel it worse near the computer, then you are sensitive to the
EMF fields made by the computer.

If however, you said you felt worse near the power lines outside, where
the trifield meter read highest, then you would be sensitive to magnetic
fields more-so. But you feel worse near the computer, and that is
definitely normal for those here on this board. It is also a frequency
that the tri-field meter does not pick up well, hardly at all.

If you don't have much money, then you don't want to purchase a better
meter. You could spend a lot in search of a device that confirms what
you feel. So instead, pursue ways of staying away from that computer,
and anything transmitting wireless energy. Distance is good. Seeking a
quieter computer is also good, but takes time and usually money in the
search. The emissions of computer equipment varies as much as the
rainbow has colors.

Also, look into detoxing your body from heavy metals, and pursue
improving your health. It is all related.

Stay away from strong power lines. The tri-field meter is not useless.
It just doesn't show the big picture.
If it reads high magnetic fields from the surge protectors, then
rearrange the work area so that no equipment is within 3 or 6 feet from
your body.

Now I re-read your first post, I realize you moved to a new house or area.
Something has triggered an overload in your nervous system.
If you are in the U.S., can you see if there are any hidden antennas in
your area?
http://antennasearch.com/

If not, then does this feeling persist outside the house? Can  you walk
around the neighborhood, making a large circle around the house? If so,
then does it feel worse in any particular direction?

If not, then it might really be the wiring in the house. Do you feel
better if the circuit breakers are turned off?

Stewart

Dear Ian and Diane,

I was struck by the similarities between effective ES therapies and
autism treatments www.treatingautism.com
http://www.autism.com/treatable/index.htm. The therapies mentioned as
useful for ES sufferers - probably because they are treatments for
the immune system - are very familiar to us.

This is a summary of "biomedical" autism treatments (there are also
some useful rated results
http://www.autism.com/treatable/form34qr.htm#biomedical).  Many
vitamins, aminos and minerals, especially B vitamins and magnesium
and zinc, are typically very low.  Treating IBS and accompanying
bowel infections (clostridia, yeast, strep and usually several more)
is an on-going challenge for us all.  Detoxing the home environment
is very important.  Generally the more old fashioned things are the
better.  The GFCF diet - also soy free, corn free MSG free is often
the first big improvement.  We found the SCD - specific carbohydrate
diet - and "Nourishg Traditions" has helped us.  Probiotics and
fermented foods are good.   Digestive enzymes (Houston) regularly
have impressive results.  Getting B12 up is important as is
supporting methylation and sulfertransferase and detoxing heavy
metals (almost all our children had the mercury preserved vaccines
starting at 6 weeks of age).  Our son has "remarkable mercury
toxicity" reported by porphyrin testing (... what have we done to our
children).  Thyroid and adrenal support, cranial ostepathy, lymphatic
drainage and EPD for help with allergies and brushing or exercise to
help with retain reflexes and hyperbaric oxygen treatment - are also
useful. Sadly our NHS medical services are a long long way from
helping with much if any of the above. It is therefore very very
expensive but many of our profoundly autistic children are healing
and many too are recovering.  Our little boy, Eddie, was early onset
autistic and has been very ill for most of his life.  He is now
almost 4 yrs old and passing for normal on good days.  We have a long
way to go to improve his health but we have seen the most profound
transformation - and we were told there was nothing we could do to
help him.
Best wishes,
Sandy



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> This is particularly interesting to me as many autistic children
report improvement on a gluten free diet, also!  Infact, one of the
most useful sites I use as a celiac, is a site devoted to autistic
children:  www.gfcfdiet.com
>
>   Diane
>
> Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>           Thanks Sandy for the useful snippet of information:
> (Many of our most
> immune damaged children seem to be electrosensitive).
>
> This ties in with a lot of the evidence accumulating in this and
other
> groups that immune system problems and related illnesses are often
a trigger
> to electrosensitivity (in adults as well). Conversely, treating the
> underlying illnesses (when identified, which is often difficult)
seems to
> have helped reduce ES for many people in the group.
> This might link to possible treatments to alleviate autism.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Sandy and Tim
> Sent: 21 August 2007 08:19
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Effective shielding for mobile phones?
>
> Dear Bill and Emil,
>
> Thanks for very useful replies. Would you mind if I copied your
> replies amongst our "treating autism" friends/. (Many of our most
> immune damaged children seem to be electrosensitive).
>
> With thanks,
> Sandy
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
com, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree completely with Emil. Those little beads others sell are
> probably
> > a waste of money. If I had to hold a shield to my head, I would
> certainly
> > want
> > a shield that covers the whole phone (and lessemf sells them).
I'm
> not
> > sure about the relative merits of that kind of shield, versus
> speaker phone
> > mode, versus a wired head set (preferably with air tube). But I
no
> longer
> > feel safe with a cell phone on within 10 feet of me. Even with a
> perfect
> > shield there is potential for reflections, plus damage to people
> near you.
> >
> > Pagers that only receive should be considered. Also, there exist
> (I think)
> > infrared head sets, although the one I saw advertised was for car
> use
> > and not actually in stock.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On 8/20/07, Less EMF Inc <lessemf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would be very grateful if someone could point me in the
> right
> > > > direction about mobile phone shields. I'd like to understand
how
> > > > shields can be effective during normal call use. My confusion
> is that
> > > > shielding could attenuate signal strength which could cause
the
> phone
> > > > to transmit at higher power.
> > >
> > > Hi Sandy,
> > >
> > > There is a lot of confusion about cell phone shields.
> > >
> > > There are 2 points to remember:
> > >
> > > 1- the entire phone radiates, not just the antenna
> > > 2- depending on the design of the phone, a certain % of the
> radiation is
> > > absorbed by the user's head. This radiation is not useful for
the
> > > communication. Ideally, the shield should shield this portion
of
> the
> > > radiation, and still allow the balance of the signal to radiate
> outward,
> > > if
> > > the phone is still to work.
> > >
> > > Now, notice this: if instead of encountering a nice absorbent
> head and
> > > being
> > > "wasted", the radiation encounters a nice reflective shield
> (between the
> > > head and the phone), then you are not reducing the performance
of
> the
> > > phone,
> > > you are actually improving it.
> > >
> > > Notice further, if you shield the side of the phone away from
the
> head,
> > > you
> > > will reduce performance, and increase radiation to the head.
> > >
> > > Emil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative
vehicles.
> Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

the meter is a trifield meter. 0-100 it is 100 and if it is on the 0-
3 it is on high higher than 3 in the red zone. I have tried to move
them under the desk more but still feeling it without legs under
computer desk. I found the power strips are worse they are high also.
like i said i only actually feel it in the computer room but know it
is affecting me for a long time in other places just in different
ways just seems to be stronger here and affecting me with tingles in
my legs mostly but have felt it further up. I do have a telephone
pole way out at the street and end of driveway but no cell tower on
it this is in an old neighborhood so lots of electrical wires in the
air. i am trying to find personally what i can do, to stop the
poisoning and illnesses i am having plus this tingle. I have
fibromyalgia but suspect all the symptoms i am having are listed on
this EMF symptoms. I am not rich and cant afford alot but want to
stop these problems please help.
Seshmet

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> When you say EMF meter, is it a gauss meter?  Probably if you keep
those
> little black boxes (transformers) away from your body that will
help (if
> they
> are just making a magnetic field.  If they generate RF too, try
wrapping in
> tin foil?
> Just keep the printer unplugged.
>
> There could be another problem with the house.  If it is more than 1
> milligauss
> I would certainly look into it further.  Also, if you can see a cell
> tower...
> Bill
>
> On 8/27/07, Seshmet <zirafox9@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi I was doing a search online for EMF protectors and found this
> > group. Actually I am having a real problem I am a reiki
> > master/teacher but since i moved to this older home been having
some
> > problems with electromagnetic energy. I actually feel a tingling
in
> > my legs under the computer desk i have a EMF meter and it is to
the
> > top thru the black box that has a cord on both ends connected to
> > computer and printer. I went thru my home to find 2 microwaves,
the
> > wall that the electric comes into house, 2 clocks, this cord/black
> > box the worse of all to the top of the meter. I am sensitive but
> > never been this sensitive until we moved here. What is the best
thing
> > to do get rid of printer or neutralize it somehow. The printer is
the
> > only one that is very noticable with me. I feel like ants
crawling on
> > my skin but nothing is there. I hate to get on my computer but do
it
> > anyway i do alot of work on here and frustrated from this
problem. Is
> > there something cheap i can use to block it cause i am not rich
been
> > researching some of the items. Both me and hubby has been
irritable,
> > sleeping problems and nightmares i have been sick off and on since
> > June we moved in not sure if this is the cause but definitely
> > something is going on in this house. I have cleared room my sage,
> > crystals, use hematite and use an air cleaner because this room
just
> > feels yucky and dark the air is thick, the air cleaner does help
in
> > the atmosphere but the tingle feeling is what is driving me nuts
in
> > here. I have tried it without cleaner also. What is funny is why
it
> > started to show up since i moved here?
> >
> > Seshmet
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>by reading all the info on EMF symptoms guess i had most of them
anyway it is just since i moved something i felt personally a tingle in
the legs that is driving me nuts when i set only at the computer the
EMF meeter is a trifield meter. It is up to top with a few things in my
house. Here goes: microwave 2 of them, 2 electric/battery alarm clocks,
the wall outlet area where the electricity comes into house, computer
tower, monitor is all the way up, the others are the ones underneath my
computer desk is the ones that are bothering me, i have 2 power surge
strips that are all the way up and one box-w-cords at both end for the
computer i feel the tingle only at the computer. I have not check
outlets because the only problem i seemed to be having is in the
computer room the most, but by reading more i find i have been affected
in other ways also just now moving to this house i am feeling it more.
Seshmet


> So, are you saying that you didn't have problems in your previous
> house, and the problems started after moving?  If so, it sounds
> like it's a problem with the house!  Have you bought one of those
> cheap outlet testers to see if your outlets are wired properly?
> Do the outlets have a grounding pin (3 holes, not 2)?
>
> Certainly fixing the wiring as best you can is a good first step,
> and then you could add additional protection with shielding,
> avoidance, and EMF protection devices.
>
> Marc
>

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, great photos of your computer!

Thanks, it's the result of several years of work.

>
> Is there any RF detectable at the keyboard or mouse?
> Also, anything from the cables to the monitor?

Thanks for asking, I should put the results on the web site.

There's no detectable change in the ambient RF or magnetic field in the
room, which stays constant at (0.005 uw/cm2) whether the computer is
on or off. Of course that ambient value varies from day to day.

Here are the measurements emitted from the various components
when directly touching them with the RF meter. The values are
higher when holding the meter in hand, so I'll provide those numbers.
Meaurements without holding the meter in hand
are in parentheses:

mouse: 0.014 (0.007) uw/cm2
KB:    0.014 (0.009) uw/cm2
Monitor cable: 0.014 (0.008) uw/cm2
Monitor Power cable: 0.011  (0.006) uw/cm2
Monitor: 0.014 (0.008) uw/cm2

Measurements with gauss meter (ambient is around 0.1 mili gauss):

mouse: 0.1 mlli gauss
KB:    0.1 mili gauss
Monitor cable: 1-2 mili gauss
Power cable: 1-2 mili gauss
Monitor: 0.1 mili gauss


>  I'm not sure what frequencies I need to worry bout,
>  but with computers I tend to suspect it's the RF
>  causing me problems.
>

It depends on the individual. The RF I'm measuring
is mostly less than 100 megaHz. The gauss meter is picking up
somewhere around 60 kHz, I believe.

I get different symptoms depending on the frequency and strength.
Lower frequencies (even 60 Hz) above a few mili gauss causes severe
chest pains. RF seems to cause the tinnitus, tingling and general ill
feeling.

>
> Are you contemplating selling stuff you modify?
>

Yes, I'm considering selling. Been holding off a bit trying
to perfect this thing, but it will never be perfect.
Also, I may have finally lined up someone to do the soldering,
because that's painful for me.

Eli
www.ahappyhabitat.com

When you say EMF meter, is it a gauss meter?  Probably if you keep those
little black boxes (transformers) away from your body that will help (if
they
are just making a magnetic field.  If they generate RF too, try wrapping in
tin foil?
Just keep the printer unplugged.

There could be another problem with the house.  If it is more than 1
milligauss
I would certainly look into it further.  Also, if you can see a cell
tower...
Bill

On 8/27/07, Seshmet <zirafox9@...> wrote:
>
>   Hi I was doing a search online for EMF protectors and found this
> group. Actually I am having a real problem I am a reiki
> master/teacher but since i moved to this older home been having some
> problems with electromagnetic energy. I actually feel a tingling in
> my legs under the computer desk i have a EMF meter and it is to the
> top thru the black box that has a cord on both ends connected to
> computer and printer. I went thru my home to find 2 microwaves, the
> wall that the electric comes into house, 2 clocks, this cord/black
> box the worse of all to the top of the meter. I am sensitive but
> never been this sensitive until we moved here. What is the best thing
> to do get rid of printer or neutralize it somehow. The printer is the
> only one that is very noticable with me. I feel like ants crawling on
> my skin but nothing is there. I hate to get on my computer but do it
> anyway i do alot of work on here and frustrated from this problem. Is
> there something cheap i can use to block it cause i am not rich been
> researching some of the items. Both me and hubby has been irritable,
> sleeping problems and nightmares i have been sick off and on since
> June we moved in not sure if this is the cause but definitely
> something is going on in this house. I have cleared room my sage,
> crystals, use hematite and use an air cleaner because this room just
> feels yucky and dark the air is thick, the air cleaner does help in
> the atmosphere but the tingle feeling is what is driving me nuts in
> here. I have tried it without cleaner also. What is funny is why it
> started to show up since i moved here?
>
> Seshmet
>
>
>


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> Hi I was doing a search online for EMF protectors and found this
> group. Actually I am having a real problem I am a reiki
> master/teacher but since i moved to this older home been having some
> problems with electromagnetic energy.

So, are you saying that you didn't have problems in your previous
house, and the problems started after moving?  If so, it sounds
like it's a problem with the house!  Have you bought one of those
cheap outlet testers to see if your outlets are wired properly?
Do the outlets have a grounding pin (3 holes, not 2)?

Certainly fixing the wiring as best you can is a good first step,
and then you could add additional protection with shielding,
avoidance, and EMF protection devices.

Marc

Hi I was doing a search online for EMF protectors and found this
group. Actually I am having a real problem I am a reiki
master/teacher but since i moved to this older home been having some
problems with electromagnetic energy. I actually feel a tingling in
my legs under the computer desk i have a EMF meter and it is to the
top thru the black box that has a cord on both ends connected to
computer and printer. I went thru my home to find 2 microwaves, the
wall that the electric comes into house, 2 clocks, this cord/black
box the worse of all to the top of the meter. I am sensitive but
never been this sensitive until we moved here. What is the best thing
to do get rid of printer or neutralize it somehow. The printer is the
only one that is very noticable with me. I feel like ants crawling on
my skin but nothing is there. I hate to get on my computer but do it
anyway i do alot of work on here and frustrated from this problem. Is
there something cheap i can use to block it cause i am not rich been
researching some of the items. Both me and hubby has been irritable,
sleeping problems and nightmares i have been sick off and on since
June we moved in not sure if this is the cause but definitely
something is going on in this house. I have cleared room my sage,
crystals, use hematite and use an air cleaner because this room just
feels yucky and dark the air is thick, the air cleaner does help in
the atmosphere but the tingle feeling is what is driving me nuts in
here. I have tried it without cleaner also. What is funny is why it
started to show up since i moved here?

Seshmet

Question do you have any effective way of neutralizing the EMF from
power strips at the computer i find they are very high? thanks