I've had to come into base on all my forums because none of my email
is being delivered.  The messages are here in my groups but aren't
getting to me.

Thank you for your ideas, we learn from each other.

Maureen

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi William and Maureen,
>
> I had that too, the teeth rapidly decaying, rather than just
> breaking, and the hair falling out after radiation overexposure.
That
> is just a couple of the symptoms of radiation sickness.
>
> I haven't been able to test it, but perhaps someone here with the
> appropriate meters can. -
>
> I've run across a little information recently that salt, and
possibly
> copper, can help reduce the magnetic field that comes along. I
don't
> know the thicknesses required or anything besides that, but it's
> better than a stick in the eye to check out. :)
>
> (If you happen to have one of those copper bottom fry pans that the
> copper layer is kinda thick, rather than a thin coating you have a
> big piece to try it with.)
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@> wrote:
> >
> > I would like is some kind of material to enclose myself in
> > when I'm in my home to block the emf.  I'm not sure
> > there is any.  That is, what a pensioner could afford.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:44 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: How do I stop these painful reactions ??
> >
> >
> > > This is the first I've seen that someone had similar problems,
re
> teeth
> > breaking and fillings
> > > (metal) falling out, also hair getting thin.
> > > This happened in the years before and during the time a
> potentially deadly
> > heart arrhythmia
> > > showed up (1995). I've been looking for the cause ever since,
and
> until
> > recently never
> > > thought that eSens might have anything to do with it.
> > > The cause - it could be because in those years I was riding
about
> 10,000
> > miles/year in
> > > Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico by BMW motorcycle which has the
> ignition wires
> > to the spark
> > > plugs a few inches in from of my shins. My legs are weak and
> clumsy since
> > then.
> > >
> > > I had the remaining metal fillings removed and replaced with
> plastic
> > composite fillings
> > > (expen$ive), sold the motorcycle (had to - heart problems
caused
> dizzy
> > spells), and started
> > > eating biologically appropriate food. This is called the
> paleolithic diet,
> > as much raw as I can
> > > stand..
> > >
> > > Hair stopped falling out.
> > > Legs slowly recovering.
> > > No more teeth problems,(never noticed any gum problems).
> > > Heart arrhythnia is much less frequent, and no longer
terrifying.
> > >
> > > I still suspect damage to the nervous system, as everything is
> > characteristically slow to heal.
> > > I am well over 60 years old, so can't expect quick healing.
> > >
> > > Maureen, I don't think the van is innocent, but can't think of
a
> way to
> > test. Maybe someone
> > > else on this list knows of a way.
> > >
> > > It seems that the right response in general is to avoid and/or
> block
> > radiation, and also to
> > > rebuild the body with the right food.
> > > http://www.paleodiet.com/
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > After the electronic exposure began for me in 2000 until I
> > > > learned what it was and how to shield myself a little from
> > > > some aspects of it at times it was so severe my teeth were
> > > > broken.  It was one after another and it was all the ones
> > > > that contained fillings that broke, although they'd been
> > > > perfectly okay.  The last one was just over a year ago.  A
> > > > filling fell out and I had it replaced.  After I left the
> dentist
> > > > the tinnitus became so extreme the pressure of it was bad
> > > > until the tooth that had just been filled shattered.
> Immediately
> > > > the tinnitus eased off.
> > > >
> > > > At the same time my teeth began breaking in October/Nov
> > > > 2000 my sinuses were badly affected.  At that time my hair
> > > > became very thin and this has been an ongoing process.
> > > >
>

Hi John,

My orthodontist has success in treating trigeminal pain problems and
many other problems not seeminly directly connected to the jaw. He
corrects the bite and takes the pressure of the nerves.  People come
all over the contry to see him in the SF bay area. Look up Dwight
Jennings, dds.

Paul

-- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "jbbolden24" <jbbolden24@...> wrote:
>
> I have been doing some serious research into why I am having this
> weird pain at the back of the my gums, and what I have come to find
> out, is that my trigeminal NERVES GO RIGHT INTO THE BACK OF MY
UPPER
> GUMS!! The segment where the pain is coming from doesn't go any
> further into my gums than where the pain is coming from.
>
> In fact, I may have trigeminal neuralgia triggered by that
monitor.  I
> was over-exposed to EMF in such a way that my nerves got
sensitized as
> a result.  However, I believe my sinus problems contributed to my
> nerves getting damaged, as I had SEVERE sinus problems. So I
believe
> that my faulty sinuses were the catalyst for this problem.
>
> All of that bacteria and drainage must've damaged my nerves in my
> gums.  Otherwise, I never would have reacted at all to that CRT;
as no
> one else in the apartment did. Things are beginning to make sense
now.
>
> I also notice that my EMF has pretty much stayed the same over a
> period of 3 1/2 years; so my NERVES are definitely the culprit.  It
> has gotten slightly worse, but for the most part, it has stayed the
> same.
>
> However, it is only the nerves that extend into the back part of my
> upper gums.  I am going to schedule an appointment with a
neurologist
> as to what I can do about my sensitized nerves in my gums.
>
> There is a technique called the gamma knife that may be able to
solve
> my problem.
>
> Anybody have any input and suggestions?
>
> Please get back to me,
>
> John
>

Hi William and Maureen,

I had that too, the teeth rapidly decaying, rather than just
breaking, and the hair falling out after radiation overexposure. That
is just a couple of the symptoms of radiation sickness.

I haven't been able to test it, but perhaps someone here with the
appropriate meters can. -

I've run across a little information recently that salt, and possibly
copper, can help reduce the magnetic field that comes along. I don't
know the thicknesses required or anything besides that, but it's
better than a stick in the eye to check out. :)

(If you happen to have one of those copper bottom fry pans that the
copper layer is kinda thick, rather than a thin coating you have a
big piece to try it with.)

~ Snoshoe

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
> I would like is some kind of material to enclose myself in
> when I'm in my home to block the emf.  I'm not sure
> there is any.  That is, what a pensioner could afford.
>
> Maureen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:44 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: How do I stop these painful reactions ??
>
>
> > This is the first I've seen that someone had similar problems, re
teeth
> breaking and fillings
> > (metal) falling out, also hair getting thin.
> > This happened in the years before and during the time a
potentially deadly
> heart arrhythmia
> > showed up (1995). I've been looking for the cause ever since, and
until
> recently never
> > thought that eSens might have anything to do with it.
> > The cause - it could be because in those years I was riding about
10,000
> miles/year in
> > Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico by BMW motorcycle which has the
ignition wires
> to the spark
> > plugs a few inches in from of my shins. My legs are weak and
clumsy since
> then.
> >
> > I had the remaining metal fillings removed and replaced with
plastic
> composite fillings
> > (expen$ive), sold the motorcycle (had to - heart problems caused
dizzy
> spells), and started
> > eating biologically appropriate food. This is called the
paleolithic diet,
> as much raw as I can
> > stand..
> >
> > Hair stopped falling out.
> > Legs slowly recovering.
> > No more teeth problems,(never noticed any gum problems).
> > Heart arrhythnia is much less frequent, and no longer terrifying.
> >
> > I still suspect damage to the nervous system, as everything is
> characteristically slow to heal.
> > I am well over 60 years old, so can't expect quick healing.
> >
> > Maureen, I don't think the van is innocent, but can't think of a
way to
> test. Maybe someone
> > else on this list knows of a way.
> >
> > It seems that the right response in general is to avoid and/or
block
> radiation, and also to
> > rebuild the body with the right food.
> > http://www.paleodiet.com/
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > After the electronic exposure began for me in 2000 until I
> > > learned what it was and how to shield myself a little from
> > > some aspects of it at times it was so severe my teeth were
> > > broken.  It was one after another and it was all the ones
> > > that contained fillings that broke, although they'd been
> > > perfectly okay.  The last one was just over a year ago.  A
> > > filling fell out and I had it replaced.  After I left the
dentist
> > > the tinnitus became so extreme the pressure of it was bad
> > > until the tooth that had just been filled shattered.
Immediately
> > > the tinnitus eased off.
> > >
> > > At the same time my teeth began breaking in October/Nov
> > > 2000 my sinuses were badly affected.  At that time my hair
> > > became very thin and this has been an ongoing process.
> > >

I forgot to add, something else that maybe you could try, for a face
shield at least, if you can find an old microwave and see if the
shielding in the door can be removed. Depending what all is coming at
you, it may relieve some of it.

~ Snoshoe

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for this link which I've checked out.  It says that
> magnetic fields cannot be shielded against, although it does
> give instructions on how to make a layered type of shield
> using different fabrics.
>
> Maureen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Emil DeToffol" <lessemf@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
>
>
> > HI Maureen,
> >
> > I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
> > There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
> > See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
> >
> > Emil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:31 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
> >
> >
> > > The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> > > records over the limit which the needle pushes against.  I've
> > > noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
> > > my home for the past few days during which it's been high.
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.
> > >
> > > My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned.  It literally
> > > makes my insides pop.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > > UK
> > >
> > >

Have you checked the photo section of the group.  I think they're
already doing this.  And I think it's the 'foreign body' in my tooth
root that I posted there that has caused me endless suffering with
the emf.  It looks like some kind of transmitter/receiver to me.

Under normal circumstances emf at this level it would cause problems
but with this in my jaw as you can imagine it's intensified everything.

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: <paulpjc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: [eSens] BIRDS ON A WIRE - Chinese have implanted chips in pigeons
brains.


> As reported in british Daily Mail 28/2 - Chinese have implanted chips  in
> pigeons brains and have apparently sucessfully controlled thier flight
patterns
> left/right up down as if controling a remote control plain. I  guess
another
> use for radio waves.  Lets hope that they dont do it to  humans in the
near
> future.
>
> Also someone posted re American Bees going missing due to russians using
> 250HZ signals today in british Daily Mail 28/2 there is an article that
enquires
> as to why millions of Bees are going astray, blaming it on  chemicals.
What
> a coincidence that this was posted here a while back ? but  in article no
> mention of radiowaves implications ????
>
> Paul UK
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Hello Stewart and others,

Thank you for your last message.

Yes, with a known transmitter nearby at 900 or 180O MHz, and the
Spectran set at 5-6GHz with a bandwidth of 3MHz, I am hearing
signals that can be definitely linked to the GSM. This is in
peak/pulse mode.

Here below is another test that I did (see also the messages in the
forum http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/redir.htm?
http://www.ralf-woelfle.de/elektrosmog/forum/forum.php  )

I checked this weekend for the "intermodulation" signals near base
stations with my Spectran HF-6080.
Oliver Bartels told me in a forum that the high signals can come from
both "real intermodulation" signals (several GSM bands, etc) and
spurious intermodulation products from "inside" the Spectran.
One way to know the difference (real/ not real) is to change the
attenuator. If the display changes by appx. 10dB with an attenuator
change of 10dB, then we talk about intermodulation products inside
the receiver, if they stay constant, then they are probably true.

Here first the results from the low (ground) signals that I have
everywhere, also without the antenna, in dBm (all with RBW 3 MHz).
All signals shown below are getting stronger with higher attenuator
setting (but not the same change), so they could be intermodulation
products created inside the Spectran (but shouldn't the signals
become less with higher attenuator then ??).

2400-2484MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -78
10dB atten: -69
20dB atten: -59
30dB atten: -57

3000MHz, 10MHz span, peak hold.
0dB atten: -32
10dB atten: -22
20dB atten: -12
30dB atten: -8

3410-3594MHz (WIMAX band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -
10dB atten: -
20dB atten: -
30dB atten: -

5150-5350MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -49
10dB atten: -46
20dB atten: -37
30dB atten: -35

5470-5725MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -43
10dB atten: -39
20dB atten: -29
30dB atten: -28

5725-5825MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -41
10dB atten: -38
20dB atten: -28
30dB atten: -26

And here below the results from near (ca. 150m) a GSM base station,
with the unexpected high signals (see previous posts).
You can see that the signals in the GSM and WLAN bands do not
change with changing attenuator, so also the high signals in the WLAN
bands could be real (not created inside the Spectran), probably
intermodulation products from the base stations signals .... because
I also hear the more typical GSM base control carrier signals and
some GSM (217Hz) pulses in these WLAN bands... Strange.
Moreover, in the GSM downlink band, the noice is much less than
in the "WLAN" bands ! In the WLAN bands I can better hear the
GSM base control carrier (or something that seems the same) and
GSM signals, than in the actual GSM bands...Hmm.
So I guess intermodulation products from the GSM base station
antennas. I will try to check that with another meter from an
official service in Belgium.
The 3000Mhz signals get stronger with higher attenuator,
so they could be intermodulation products created inside the Spectran
(but shouldn't the signals become less with higher attenuator
then ??).

So here are these results from near that base station.

GSM900 band    (seem to be OK for real signals)
0dB atten: -28
10dB atten: -28
20dB atten: -28
30dB atten: -40 (?)

GSM1800 band    (seem to be OK for real signals)
0dB atten: -51
10dB atten: -52
20dB atten: -51
30dB atten: -52

2400-2484MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -37
10dB atten: -42
20dB atten: -  (no detection)
30dB atten: -

3000MHz, 10MHz span, peak hold.
0dB atten: -28
10dB atten: -21
20dB atten: -10
30dB atten: -7

3410-3594MHz (WIMAX band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -38
10dB atten: -39
20dB atten: -  (no detection)
30dB atten: -

5150-5350MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -29
10dB atten: -29
20dB atten: -30
30dB atten: -31 (less detection)

5470-5725MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -17
10dB atten: -16
20dB atten: -18
30dB atten: -19 (less detection)

5725-5825MHz (WLAN band), peak hold.
0dB atten: -21
10dB atten: -19
20dB atten: -21
30dB atten: -23 (less detection)

That was it for now.

Best regards,
Joris Everaert

Hi John,

I may have missed this part, but has a dentist looked at the area?

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bolden" <jbbolden24@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] I think I may have trigeminal neuralgia.


> Yeah, I think that you are right, but I how do I find
> a way to get my trigeminal nerves to calm down in the
> back of my mouth.
>
> The pain is coming fromt the mandibular nerve at the
> back of the upper part of my gums. I think my body is
> trying to protect me from further overexposure.  The
> problem is that the device that caused it is no longer
> here anymore, and has been gone for over 3 1/2 years.
>
> The response is no longer necessary.  My nerves are
> reacting to fields that are totally harmless.  Make no
> mistake about it, my mandibular nerve in my gums is
> the culprit.
>
> I am thinking about going to a neurologist to get a
> diagnosis, and maybe I can go under something called
> the gamma knife and zap that part that has gotten
> sensitized.
>
> Also I heard someone mention something about colloidal
> silver.  Where can I pick some up, and how does it
> work.
>
>
>
> --- paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>> Does nerve damage give such responses as those felt
>> by ES, or more often
>> loss of sensation, control impulse etc.. On the
>> otherhand it may be that  "your"
>> nerves are functioning at an optimised level and are
>> indeed quite heathly
>> your response is protecting you from long term
>> damage.  Perhaps your immune
>> system has in the past identified an agressor ie EMF
>> from the VDU and at  this
>> particular site given the grade of nerve branch that
>> resides  there where the
>> emfs were most strongly felt  some kind of memory
>> effect is occurring through
>> deposition of receptor chemicals/protiens/genetic
>> pre-cursors  Most of this EMF
>> stuff is passing thorugh the body, its a  foreign
>> entity, an unwelcome
>> visitor that is knocking on your door with ever
>> increasing frequency.
>> I would say that you are lucky if you can pin down
>> the site or epicentre of
>> your ES reactions, there must be a range of
>> treatments where you can dampen
>> down  reactions in this localised area ?
>>
>> Paul UK
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been
>> removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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As reported in british Daily Mail 28/2 - Chinese have implanted chips  in
pigeons brains and have apparently sucessfully controlled thier flight  patterns
left/right up down as if controling a remote control plain. I  guess another
use for radio waves.  Lets hope that they dont do it to  humans in the near
future.

Also someone posted re American Bees going missing due to russians using
250HZ signals today in british Daily Mail 28/2 there is an article that 
enquires
as to why millions of Bees are going astray, blaming it on  chemicals.  What
a coincidence that this was posted here a while back ? but  in article no
mention of radiowaves implications ????

Paul UK



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The million dollar question to do with ES is indeed are the reactions of  any
use, are they purposefull, in my experience it is very complicated to find
exactly what window of frequencies call it what you will that you maybe
reacting  to, is it elec feilds plus em feilds together or one or the other or
radiowaves,  microwaves, these acting in harmony or disharmony with the latter
and
so  on.  Many modern appliances give off far more that simple 50/60hz  feilds.
The plot thickens day by day, you can certainly go a long way to  avioding
the exposures and thus reducing the chemical fogging that occurs in  your body
so bringing yourself to a more calm cellular state, thus improved  general
health/state of mind.

Similar to mainstream allergies, once you open the door/get the response
(for what ever buried/forgotten genetic purpose it has/had) you are open to
other agitants in that spectrum.  Electromagnetic one is a bummer in this 
regard.

The gamma knife seems a little drastic, is it not reserved for brain tumour
surgery ?
Have a word with Emil at LessEmf re feasibilty of making the gum  sheild.
Also did you dismiss idea about teeth grinding ?

Keep googling you never know what you might find re  your gum problem.

Paul  UK



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Yeah, I think that you are right, but I how do I find
a way to get my trigeminal nerves to calm down in the
back of my mouth.

The pain is coming fromt the mandibular nerve at the
back of the upper part of my gums. I think my body is
trying to protect me from further overexposure.  The
problem is that the device that caused it is no longer
here anymore, and has been gone for over 3 1/2 years.

The response is no longer necessary.  My nerves are
reacting to fields that are totally harmless.  Make no
mistake about it, my mandibular nerve in my gums is
the culprit.

I am thinking about going to a neurologist to get a
diagnosis, and maybe I can go under something called
the gamma knife and zap that part that has gotten
sensitized.

Also I heard someone mention something about colloidal
silver.  Where can I pick some up, and how does it
work.



--- paulpjc@... wrote:

> Does nerve damage give such responses as those felt
> by ES, or more often
> loss of sensation, control impulse etc.. On the
> otherhand it may be that  "your"
> nerves are functioning at an optimised level and are
> indeed quite heathly
> your response is protecting you from long term
> damage.  Perhaps your immune
> system has in the past identified an agressor ie EMF
> from the VDU and at  this
> particular site given the grade of nerve branch that
> resides  there where the
> emfs were most strongly felt  some kind of memory
> effect is occurring through
> deposition of receptor chemicals/protiens/genetic
> pre-cursors  Most of this EMF
> stuff is passing thorugh the body, its a  foreign
> entity, an unwelcome
> visitor that is knocking on your door with ever
> increasing frequency.
> I would say that you are lucky if you can pin down
> the site or epicentre of
> your ES reactions, there must be a range of
> treatments where you can dampen
> down  reactions in this localised area ?
>
> Paul UK
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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Does nerve damage give such responses as those felt by ES, or more often
loss of sensation, control impulse etc.. On the otherhand it may be that  "your"
nerves are functioning at an optimised level and are indeed quite heathly
your response is protecting you from long term damage.  Perhaps your immune
system has in the past identified an agressor ie EMF from the VDU and at  this
particular site given the grade of nerve branch that resides  there where the
emfs were most strongly felt  some kind of memory  effect is occurring through
deposition of receptor chemicals/protiens/genetic  pre-cursors  Most of this EMF
stuff is passing thorugh the body, its a  foreign entity, an unwelcome
visitor that is knocking on your door with ever  increasing frequency.
I would say that you are lucky if you can pin down the site or epicentre of
your ES reactions, there must be a range of treatments where you can dampen
down  reactions in this localised area ?

Paul UK



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> In fact, I may have trigeminal neuralgia triggered by that monitor.

I think the "burning skin" symptom that so many ES folks have
also fits the description of "neuralgia".  However, neuralgia
is not typically triggered by a computer monitor!

You may look at things which "calm the nerves"... evening primrose
oil, valerian, etc.  I've had definite improvement in my burning
face symptoms from both evening primrose oil and borage oil.

Marc

Have you tried sublingual B-12?
methyl B-12 helps my toothpain. Still
have pain after removing amalgam fillings
several months ago.
Eli

The only help I've received from a Neurologist was advice to find a
behavioral psychologist to address my "issues."

I would continue looking for the underlying causative factors and not
surgery as a solution.

I apologize if I have missed an earlier email from you and if this has
already been addressed.

Have you had all of your metal removed from you mouth by protocol?
Mercury causes great nerve damage and could be a causative factor. The
monitor may have resonated the metals and toxins out of your fat and
tissues and the subsequent result is an unhealthy environment ripe for
infection.

In the short term, a solution to infection could be taking colloidal
silver and not antibiotics.
I am happy to say more if I am not saying what you have already heard
before.

I wish you a speedy recovery.
Andrew

On Feb 28, 2007, at 1:11 AM, jbbolden24 wrote:

> I have been doing some serious research into why I am having this
> weird pain at the back of the my gums, and what I have come to find
> out, is that my trigeminal NERVES GO RIGHT INTO THE BACK OF MY UPPER
> GUMS!! The segment where the pain is coming from doesn't go any
> further into my gums than where the pain is coming from.
>
> In fact, I may have trigeminal neuralgia triggered by that monitor.  I
> was over-exposed to EMF in such a way that my nerves got sensitized as
> a result.  However, I believe my sinus problems contributed to my
> nerves getting damaged, as I had SEVERE sinus problems. So I believe
> that my faulty sinuses were the catalyst for this problem.
>
> All of that bacteria and drainage must've damaged my nerves in my
> gums.  Otherwise, I never would have reacted at all to that CRT; as no
> one else in the apartment did. Things are beginning to make sense now.
>
> I also notice that my EMF has pretty much stayed the same over a
> period of 3 1/2 years; so my NERVES are definitely the culprit.  It
> has gotten slightly worse, but for the most part, it has stayed the
> same.
>
> However, it is only the nerves that extend into the back part of my
> upper gums.  I am going to schedule an appointment with a neurologist
> as to what I can do about my sensitized nerves in my gums.
>
> There is a technique called the gamma knife that may be able to solve
> my problem.
>
> Anybody have any input and suggestions?
>
> Please get back to me,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hi Maureen,

Strictly speaking,  it is true that one cannot "shield" magnetic fields. You
cannot stop a magnetic field from
emitting from a source, travelling out in space and returning to the source. So
called "magnetic shielding
materials" all work by redirecting the path of the magnetic field. The magnetic
fields "travel better" through the
shielding material than through air (or just about any other material).

In this way, one can direct the field away from sensitive areas. You can enclose
the area you want to protect with
shielding material, you can enclose the source, and sometimes you can simple
place the shielding material in
beteween the two.

Magnetic shielding materials differ in the amount of magnetic field that they
can "hold". Of course, they also
differ in weight, size, and composition. Making garments is tricky, because you
are basically working with a metal
foil or plate.

Emil


----- Original Message -----
From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF


> Thank you for this link which I've checked out.  It says that
> magnetic fields cannot be shielded against, although it does
> give instructions on how to make a layered type of shield
> using different fabrics.
>
> Maureen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Emil DeToffol" <lessemf@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
>
>
>> HI Maureen,
>>
>> I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
>> There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
>> See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
>>
>> Emil
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
>> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:31 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
>>
>>
>> > The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
>> > records over the limit which the needle pushes against.  I've
>> > noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
>> > my home for the past few days during which it's been high.
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.
>> >
>> > My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned.  It literally
>> > makes my insides pop.
>> >
>> > Maureen
>> > UK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >    eSens-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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> 15:24
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I have been doing some serious research into why I am having this
weird pain at the back of the my gums, and what I have come to find
out, is that my trigeminal NERVES GO RIGHT INTO THE BACK OF MY UPPER
GUMS!! The segment where the pain is coming from doesn't go any
further into my gums than where the pain is coming from.

In fact, I may have trigeminal neuralgia triggered by that monitor.  I
was over-exposed to EMF in such a way that my nerves got sensitized as
a result.  However, I believe my sinus problems contributed to my
nerves getting damaged, as I had SEVERE sinus problems. So I believe
that my faulty sinuses were the catalyst for this problem.

All of that bacteria and drainage must've damaged my nerves in my
gums.  Otherwise, I never would have reacted at all to that CRT; as no
one else in the apartment did. Things are beginning to make sense now.

I also notice that my EMF has pretty much stayed the same over a
period of 3 1/2 years; so my NERVES are definitely the culprit.  It
has gotten slightly worse, but for the most part, it has stayed the
same.

However, it is only the nerves that extend into the back part of my
upper gums.  I am going to schedule an appointment with a neurologist
as to what I can do about my sensitized nerves in my gums.

There is a technique called the gamma knife that may be able to solve
my problem.

Anybody have any input and suggestions?

Please get back to me,

John

Thank you for this link which I've checked out.  It says that
magnetic fields cannot be shielded against, although it does
give instructions on how to make a layered type of shield
using different fabrics.

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Emil DeToffol" <lessemf@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF


> HI Maureen,
>
> I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
> There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
> See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
>
> Emil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:31 PM
> Subject: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
>
>
> > The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> > records over the limit which the needle pushes against.  I've
> > noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
> > my home for the past few days during which it's been high.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.
> >
> > My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned.  It literally
> > makes my insides pop.
> >
> > Maureen
> > UK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    eSens-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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15:24
>
>

Is there a way that I can get some type of shot directly in my gums to
quell these reactions?  If I could stop this reaction in my gums,
everything else would probably stop too.  I wonder if there is a way I
could do it.

I wonder if they have any type of shot that gets rid of the sensitized
cells that are causing my reactions?  Maybe an antibody shot or something?

My emf has been in the same spot for years, and I first felt the pain
in my gums.  The other symptoms that I have, the tingling and stuff
aren't consistent, and only happen when my gums start tightening. My
gums are the trigger.  The back of my gums are the trigger every
timee, they are the first place where I feel pain when I am around
anything electrical, and from there it is all downhill.

If I could stop that, I could stop the whole thing.

Somebody get back to me with some more suggestions, and thanks
everyone for taking the time to respond to my posts.

John

HI Maureen,

I assume you are using the magnetic field scale?
There are several magnetic shielding materials available.
See http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: [eSens] High Levels of EMF


> The EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> records over the limit which the needle pushes against.  I've
> noted the large electrical/security van has been parked outside
> my home for the past few days during which it's been high.
>
> Can anyone suggest a way of protecting myself from it please.
>
> My tininitus is bad and my face feels sunburned.  It literally
> makes my insides pop.
>
> Maureen
> UK
>
>
>
>
>
>    eSens-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I would like is some kind of material to enclose myself in
when I'm in my home to block the emf.  I'm not sure
there is any.  That is, what a pensioner could afford.

Maureen

----- Original Message -----
From: "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: How do I stop these painful reactions ??


> This is the first I've seen that someone had similar problems, re teeth
breaking and fillings
> (metal) falling out, also hair getting thin.
> This happened in the years before and during the time a potentially deadly
heart arrhythmia
> showed up (1995). I've been looking for the cause ever since, and until
recently never
> thought that eSens might have anything to do with it.
> The cause - it could be because in those years I was riding about 10,000
miles/year in
> Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico by BMW motorcycle which has the ignition wires
to the spark
> plugs a few inches in from of my shins. My legs are weak and clumsy since
then.
>
> I had the remaining metal fillings removed and replaced with plastic
composite fillings
> (expen$ive), sold the motorcycle (had to - heart problems caused dizzy
spells), and started
> eating biologically appropriate food. This is called the paleolithic diet,
as much raw as I can
> stand..
>
> Hair stopped falling out.
> Legs slowly recovering.
> No more teeth problems,(never noticed any gum problems).
> Heart arrhythnia is much less frequent, and no longer terrifying.
>
> I still suspect damage to the nervous system, as everything is
characteristically slow to heal.
> I am well over 60 years old, so can't expect quick healing.
>
> Maureen, I don't think the van is innocent, but can't think of a way to
test. Maybe someone
> else on this list knows of a way.
>
> It seems that the right response in general is to avoid and/or block
radiation, and also to
> rebuild the body with the right food.
> http://www.paleodiet.com/
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> William
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
> >
> > After the electronic exposure began for me in 2000 until I
> > learned what it was and how to shield myself a little from
> > some aspects of it at times it was so severe my teeth were
> > broken.  It was one after another and it was all the ones
> > that contained fillings that broke, although they'd been
> > perfectly okay.  The last one was just over a year ago.  A
> > filling fell out and I had it replaced.  After I left the dentist
> > the tinnitus became so extreme the pressure of it was bad
> > until the tooth that had just been filled shattered.  Immediately
> > the tinnitus eased off.
> >
> > At the same time my teeth began breaking in October/Nov
> > 2000 my sinuses were badly affected.  At that time my hair
> > became very thin and this has been an ongoing process.
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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15:16
>
>

My diet is free of red meat and has been for years although I
each chicken and fish.  Whole grain pasta, rice and crispbread
and lots of vegetables and fruit.  I find toasted pitta with
cinnamon and honey helpful at times when the pollution is being
pumped into my home, and it helps cleanse my system.  I tend
to keep my diet as pure as possible to offset what is being done.

Whilst I don't smoke or drink alcohol it's being ravaged through
circumstances in my home.

Thank you for the link.

Maureen

----- Original Message -----
From: "skrzn" <WilliamSchnell@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: [eSens] Food intolerances


> This might be helpful in reducing or eliminating eSens.
> <http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/>
>
> William
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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15:16
>
>

Have you tested the electric fields in your home, /at your computer area?
electric fields cause skin irritations among other problems. And each
home is wired different and has varying fields.
Sandi

This might be helpful in reducing or eliminating eSens.
<http://www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/>

William

This is the first I've seen that someone had similar problems, re teeth breaking
and fillings
(metal) falling out, also hair getting thin.
This happened in the years before and during the time a potentially deadly heart
arrhythmia
showed up (1995). I've been looking for the cause ever since, and until recently
never
thought that eSens might have anything to do with it.
The cause - it could be because in those years I was riding about 10,000
miles/year in
Canada, U.S.A. and Mexico by BMW motorcycle which has the ignition wires to the
spark
plugs a few inches in from of my shins. My legs are weak and clumsy since then.

I had the remaining metal fillings removed and replaced with plastic composite
fillings
(expen$ive), sold the motorcycle (had to - heart problems caused dizzy spells),
and started
eating biologically appropriate food. This is called the paleolithic diet, as
much raw as I can
stand..

Hair stopped falling out.
Legs slowly recovering.
No more teeth problems,(never noticed any gum problems).
Heart arrhythnia is much less frequent, and no longer terrifying.

I still suspect damage to the nervous system, as everything is
characteristically slow to heal.
I am well over 60 years old, so can't expect quick healing.

Maureen, I don't think the van is innocent, but can't think of a way to test.
Maybe someone
else on this list knows of a way.

It seems that the right response in general is to avoid and/or block radiation,
and also to
rebuild the body with the right food.
http://www.paleodiet.com/

Hope this helps.

William






--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
> After the electronic exposure began for me in 2000 until I
> learned what it was and how to shield myself a little from
> some aspects of it at times it was so severe my teeth were
> broken.  It was one after another and it was all the ones
> that contained fillings that broke, although they'd been
> perfectly okay.  The last one was just over a year ago.  A
> filling fell out and I had it replaced.  After I left the dentist
> the tinnitus became so extreme the pressure of it was bad
> until the tooth that had just been filled shattered.  Immediately
> the tinnitus eased off.
>
> At the same time my teeth began breaking in October/Nov
> 2000 my sinuses were badly affected.  At that time my hair
> became very thin and this has been an ongoing process.
>

>

You're welcome, I hope it helps someone else to understand more
about this and what can help.

On my TriField I usually check the red line going across on the
top one (there are three lines), and have it switched on the 0-3
range knob.  and the needle pushes over the edge.

When it's very intense I believe there are microwaves being
generated because I can hear them hitting against the aluminium
and the silver in my hat like rain hitting on it.  Something is
causing that.

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: "culverpratt" <culverpratt@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:48 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: High Levels of EMF


> Dear Maureen, thank you for telling about this. When you mention
> your Trifield meter's needle pushing over the limit, is the meter
> set to the magnetic scale? My new Trifield meter has two magnetic
> scales, one is from 0 to 100 mg, and the other one is from 0 to 3
> mg. Does yours have these two magnetic ranges? My old version of the
> Trifield meter only has one magnetic range, the 0 to 100 range. I
> wonder what you have?
>
> Other options the meter can be set for are "electric"
> and "radio/microwave."
>
> --Soula
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <paulpjc@...>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2007 12:56:46 AM GMT Standard Time,
> > > m.a.norman@... writes:
> > >
> > > The  EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> > > records over the  limit which the needle pushes against. I've
> > > noted the large  electrical/security van has been parked outside
> > > my home for the past few  days during which it's been high.
> > >
> > > Can anyone suggest a way of  protecting myself from it please.
> > >
> > > My tininitus is bad and my face feels  sunburned. It literally
> > > makes my insides pop.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > > UK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > REPLY -
> > >
> > > Maureen what do you sugesst the Security van is/was doing.  Can
> you
> > go
> > and
> > > ask ? Could you get close to the van and measure feilds, perhaps
> > the van
> > is  a
> > > red herring ?>>>Probably to late now.  If there was a tel no on
> > van etc
> > you
> > > could ring them anonymously.
> > >
> > > I feel for you re the tinitus, its a private nightmare
> sometimes.
> > Keep
> > > thinking of ways round this, you will not be beaten and dont
> forget
> > to add
> > a
> > > smile to the equation.
> > >
> > > Paul UK
> >
> > It is bad at times as you will see from my previous message to
> another
> > poster. I don't think it's coming from the van that's been there
> on
> > and off since the builders began working on the house next door
> but
> > one.  I have the telephone numbers that are on the side, it's a
> > company called AC Electrical,  it says Security, Domestic,
> > Commercial, Industrial.  on the side of the van.
> >
> > It's no point ringing and asking what they're doing.  It's the
> most
> > bizarre situation that's been allowed to develop around me, that
> is
> > condoned and known about.  And is covered up.  I'm 61 now and have
> > had years of it.
> >
> > The problems with tinnitus and all that came from it began after
> > someone came to the empty house next door that is adjoined and put
> up
> > a satellite dish.  Although no-one was living there and hadn't for
> > years.  At the time there was a odd looking box in the room with
> > knobs and switches on that
> > I took a digital photo of.
> >
> > In the past when things have been made bad in a number of ways
> they've
> > actually got 'Men Working' road signs and placed them on the
> pavement
> > in front of their house.
> >
> > It would appear to have become an exercise in community torture
> that
> > is known about and condoned.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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15:16
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>

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "S. Andreason" <sandreas41@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Joris,
>
> Nice to find another Spectran !
>
> There is a changeover at 3100 MHz in the measuring/detecting that
> prevents accurate scanning across this threshold.
> I'll look up the exact wording the technical staff sent me last
year.
> The upper band can only be measured with a bandwidth of 3MHz.
>
> Do you have the datalogging software? I would be excited to
compare results.
>
> Please look at my graphs at:
> http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/spectrumGraphs.html
>
> I'll comment on the rest of your message later as time permits.
> Stewart
>
> Joris Everaert wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a portable spectrum analyzer from Aaronia (Spectran HF-
6080).
> > The measurements in the GSM900 & 1800, and UMTS bands are (seem
to
> > be) good and normal.
> >
> > But at most GSM/UMTS base stations, I found that for example in
the
> > 5000-6000 MHz range and at 3000 MHz, there are several signals
which
> > are higher in intensity than the actual GSM or UMTS frequency
band
> > signals.
> > The signals are certainly coming from the base stations. The
high
> > values between 2099 - 3011 Mhz (and further) are only detected
at
> > base stations where GSM900/1800 and UMTS antennes are installed,
> > not at those without UMTS. The 3000 MHz frequency is normally
> > military. The high signals between 5000-6000 Mhz are almost
always
> > found at all base stations, and seem not to be WLAN (also not
the
> > typical sound from WLAN/WIFI).
> >
> > There might be some (small) errors in the measurements of the
> > Spectran
> > in these higher bands (?), and some "mirror frequencies" (not
real)
> > might exist in the range that I am measuring (at pulse mode),
but
> > I measure several ranges separately (for example the 2099-3011
MHz,
> > 5470-5725 MHz, 5725-5825MHz ranges) and found that the high
signals
> > are very clear and also hearable (audio analysis), in many cases
at
> > around 200 meters from the base ststions ca. 2-6 V/m, in
contrast to
> > the for example 0,2 - 1,2 V/m values in the GSM / UMTS bands !
> >
> > I think these high signals can be real, possibly 'intermodulation
> > interference signals' (and out of band). I read a lot on the
> > internet
> > about measured signals and that all spectrum analysers have the
> > problem
> > of second and third (...) "harmonic
frequencies", "intermodulation
> > interference" from several different base station
antennas, "mixing
> > products from harmonics", etc, and that the problem is becoming
more
> > important, as more different antennas are being installed at
each
> > base station.
> >
> > See for example
> >
http://www.tek.com/Measurement/App_Notes/2G_14758/eng/2GW_14758_0.pdf
> > and
> > http://www.summitekinstruments.com/oasis/documentation.asp
> > click on "White Paper".
> >
> > The 900 (gsm) and 2100MHz (umts) signals from base stations
could
> > indeed also mix and give something around 3000MHz, and the
readings
> > between 5-6 GHz could also be explained by (third order)
harmonics
> > and mixing ?
> > The not-real 'mirror' signals ("in" the measured range) are
normally
> > weaker, but can the real (really in the air) signals
> > like "intermodulation/mixing/harmonics" signals be more stronger
> > than
> > the original signals separately ?
> >
> > At 2400MHz, 3000MHz, 3500MHz, 5000-6000MHz, the sound (audio
> > analysis
> > of pulses/modulations) with Resolution Band Width (RBW) at 3 MHz
and
> > 1 MHz is a loud constant noice, almost the same (?) like at
> > GSM1800/UMTS
> > (base control carrier) but it seems a little different and in
most
> > cases
> > more intense. At RBW 300 and 100 kHz, the sound is clearly with
> > small
> > hard pulses (around 10 Hz ?, like woodpecker). Can anyone
explain
> > this ?
> >
> > I also noticed that when I put my GSM on (in speaking mode),
high
> > signals
> > in the 3000 MHz and 5000-6000 MHz range are also found (and in
audio
> > analysis also clearly the sound of a GSM). This can also be
> > explainedby "intermodulation/harmonics/mixing" signals ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Joris Everaert
> > Biologist
> > Belgium
> >
>This is why I stay a member of this group. Even though I only
understand bits of this, I know that with work I will succeed and
apply it to my situation.
Joris, I have found that locally here in N. Central Texas, we have
some techies that have found a way to combine several signals, from
several sources and the sound of taps like a woodpecker are found
like you describe depending upon the indentifier signal of the
device used. By reading your information on mixing of signals I have
determined how they are doing it.
Cities or regions are assigned numbers and that is the number of the
taps/pecks issued when activated, and a small pause, then the number
of the officer/person assigned. 5/2 for Region 4 of Kaufman County
Texas and person 2 for the person it is charged out to. The city of
Kemp is the city in region 4, and the number 5 stands for that city
I believe, or so forth. These devices are charged out to
governmental entities. Hijacking of these signals occurs.
These techies I speak of are not above harrassing others with the em
spectrum, and that is happening here, so any alleviation of RF
signals and info is welcome. Thanks again for the enlightening
information that I can understand and use.

What has helped me the most, so far (I am trying new things and hope
to get more lasting results) -- this will sound odd, I'm sure -- is
something called Deeksha. I discovered this last summer after being
diagnosed with a meningioma, which I attribute to the 7 years
of "frying" beneath a compact fluorescent lamp mounted 12 inches
over my pillow. Soon after I received this traumatic news, someone
described this Deeksha to me, and I immediately went to check it out.

It is an energy-work kind of thing. Here in the SF Bay Area,
especially in Berkeley and Marin, there are lots of people who do
it --
  they go to India and pay a bunch of money to be initiated, and it
feels good to them to give it and there are so many who do it around
here that it is pretty cheap to receive, in fact the two weekly
events I go to the most are billed as "no one turned away for lack
of funds." There are so many Deeksha givers at these events that I
get anywhere from 5 to 14 treatments per event.

All I knew for months was that regularly getting it helped me
maintain a more positive attitude than I would ever have been able
to otherwise. That remains the case. However, my headaches continued
to get worse (although a followup MRI showed no change, and doctors
said "your symptoms you describe can't possibly be from that"),
until finally I moved away from the house I and my husband lived in
since 1989 (7 weeks ago), where there are power lines that put out a
magnetic field all through the house (never lower than 3 mg, much
higher at the front of the house), and the headaches stopped --
except when I get into a high magnetic field somehow.

Getting Deeksha makes the headaches go away. It makes the "crammed"
feeling in my head, which I still get from who-knows-which thing, go
away. It can make me feel like my head is light and airy and free.
If I could go every day, I probably would try to do it.

Anyway, you might be able to find this near you. there is a website
that lists events, I haven't paid much attention to it, but it
is "the oneness movement" and the names Baghavan and Amma should be
involved, as they originated this energy/process.

Just in case it could help some other ES-ers.

One of the new things I am trying that has potential is Spring
Forest QiGong (recommended by Gilligan Joy). I got a videotape -- it
takes about 45 minutes to do the exercises, but I definitely feel a
difference. Being in an EMF-free environment is a pre-requisite, I
believe, though maybe it still could help, I'm not sure.

--Soula

Dear Maureen, thank you for telling about this. When you mention
your Trifield meter's needle pushing over the limit, is the meter
set to the magnetic scale? My new Trifield meter has two magnetic
scales, one is from 0 to 100 mg, and the other one is from 0 to 3
mg. Does yours have these two magnetic ranges? My old version of the
Trifield meter only has one magnetic range, the 0 to 100 range. I
wonder what you have?

Other options the meter can be set for are "electric"
and "radio/microwave."

--Soula


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Maureen" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <paulpjc@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] High Levels of EMF
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 2/26/2007 12:56:46 AM GMT Standard Time,
> > m.a.norman@... writes:
> >
> > The  EMF is extreme again in my home and my TriField meter
> > records over the  limit which the needle pushes against. I've
> > noted the large  electrical/security van has been parked outside
> > my home for the past few  days during which it's been high.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a way of  protecting myself from it please.
> >
> > My tininitus is bad and my face feels  sunburned. It literally
> > makes my insides pop.
> >
> > Maureen
> > UK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > REPLY -
> >
> > Maureen what do you sugesst the Security van is/was doing.  Can
you
> go
> and
> > ask ? Could you get close to the van and measure feilds, perhaps
> the van
> is  a
> > red herring ?>>>Probably to late now.  If there was a tel no on
> van etc
> you
> > could ring them anonymously.
> >
> > I feel for you re the tinitus, its a private nightmare
sometimes.
> Keep
> > thinking of ways round this, you will not be beaten and dont
forget
> to add
> a
> > smile to the equation.
> >
> > Paul UK
>
> It is bad at times as you will see from my previous message to
another
> poster. I don't think it's coming from the van that's been there
on
> and off since the builders began working on the house next door
but
> one.  I have the telephone numbers that are on the side, it's a
> company called AC Electrical,  it says Security, Domestic,
> Commercial, Industrial.  on the side of the van.
>
> It's no point ringing and asking what they're doing.  It's the
most
> bizarre situation that's been allowed to develop around me, that
is
> condoned and known about.  And is covered up.  I'm 61 now and have
> had years of it.
>
> The problems with tinnitus and all that came from it began after
> someone came to the empty house next door that is adjoined and put
up
> a satellite dish.  Although no-one was living there and hadn't for
> years.  At the time there was a odd looking box in the room with
> knobs and switches on that
> I took a digital photo of.
>
> In the past when things have been made bad in a number of ways
they've
> actually got 'Men Working' road signs and placed them on the
pavement
> in front of their house.
>
> It would appear to have become an exercise in community torture
that
> is known about and condoned.
>
> Maureen
>

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I was going to suggest it was mercury in your
> > gums, since any metal will be a conductor for electricity.
>
> Yes, I was thinking that too, but that would presume that
> John once had a silver/mercury filling in that area.  Even
> after the filling is removed, there can be a grayish
> tint to the teeth or gums left behind.  This can be removed
> with heavy metal chelators -- I saw on another group recently
> that someone had gotten some of the gray to go away using the
> zeolite supplement "NCD".
>
> Marc
>

Hello everyone, thanks for the replies.  To date, I only have one
filling, and that is one of the teeth in my bottom jaw.  The only
place that appears to be giving me a problem are my back gums in my
upper jaw.  I wonder if it has anything to do with my trigeminal nerves.

As aformentioned earlier, my ES is very, very weird.  If I go
somewhere new, I could be standing in front a 50" screen television
with lights on everywhere, and I will be fine for a very long time.
Only when I am at home does it become unbearable.  I really believe my
immune system is burned out. Like I said before, I have allergies;
terrible allergies, and I have been sick the majority of my life.  I
also believe that I may  have leaky gut syndrome, as I have been
having bowel problems for a very long time now.  I am getting tests
done next month in order to see.

Its burning itself out trying to protect me from a nonthreating forces
in the environment.  When its really bad, I will get a tingling
sensation all across my face.  However that seems to be temporary, it
never stays if I get enough rest.  The only thing that has been a
constant, has been the gum tightening in my upper jaws.  That hasn't
stopped since 2003.  Everything else has improved.  When the incidennt
first happened, I had severe eye irritation; that stopped.  I also
felt like somethng was lifting inside my head when I cut off an
electrical appliance.  That has also stopped.  My body has healed
itself quite a bit, but I can't understand why it won't stop this
accursed gum-tightening problem.

I think I might be able to beat this problem, but I don't know how to
give my body what it needs to recover.  I have tried all types of
supplements, and I went out and bought many of the things Gilligan Joy
recommended. I really haven't experienced  any improvement.  However,
I also believe that I may parasites that are taxing my immune system.
   I have a constant dull pain on the right side of my abdomen that has
been there for 2 years, and I have been under chronic stress due to
external factors for much longer than that. I think all of that stress
wreaked havoc on my digestive and immune system.  When I have a bowel
movement, there is mucus in my stools, not all the time, but
sometimes, and I have broken out in rashes a countless number of times
for nothing.  I frequently get body acne; something I never had before
I moved out to California; and I am allergic to many things.  I also
have IBS.

Like I said, that monitor really gave me a serious dose of EMF
radiation.  My body had never experienced something like that before.
  Now, it treats everything that gives off an emf field like a foreign
invader.


Also, it becomes unberable in certain locations too, like on my living
room couch.

My immune system seems to be in total control of this.  It can even
sense when I am somewhere new.  It won't react right away when I am in
a new  location. However, it always seems to be on guard; my gums
haven't loosened up in the upper back part of my jaw since 2003.  They
loosen a little when I am asleep, in the shower, or outside.  However,
they haven't totally  been released in years.

One thing that I do know, is that if I don't get any rest, the ES can
get really bad.  I can't figure out how to give my body the rest it
needs in order to correct this problem.  It is not like I can sleep
all day.

Also, like I said before, I tend to be charged after taking a nap, or
getting alot of fresh air.  Sometimes, I wonder if it is my apartment
that is causing the problem.  That is why I am moving soon. My
apartment is old, with old carpet and everything else.

The minute I walk into my apartment, my body can sense that I am the
same environment where the  incident happened, and it starts tripping
out; becoming constantly on guard for that extreme dose of EMF.  The
only way I can help correct this problem, is if I move to another
apartment.

It has gotta be somehting that I can do to stop this stress response
by my immune system.  Like I  said before, it wasn't always like this.
  I just want to get back to where I was before 2003, when the incident
happened.  I am going to get tested for candida and other parasites as
  well as gettingg a digestive stool analysis test done to see if I
have leaky gut--which I probably do.  I believe if I can eliminate all
of these other problems that may go a long way in helping my
electrosensitivity.

Please get back to me anybody with any more ideas and suggestions; as
they are a great help.

Thanks,

John

> and the most interesting thing I found was this info about the body's
> PH balance and how most people who suffer from a PH imbalance are
> acidic. What I'm thinking is that this might explain alot of peoples
> comments on here that certain foods help them or make them worse.

Yes, I think so too.

Also, one of the most helpful supplements for me is "Mega-H", which
when sprinkled into water raises the pH of the water significantly.

Marc