Hello,

*positive aspect which is to block out MANMADE DC voltage.*

What is that: MANMADE DC voltage?

A person may have an increased body tension, but this is always AC, and can
be measured with a multimeter and a grounding wire in Volts.

All kinds of elektrosmog fields, even the high frequency fields of mobile
phones and masts are trensformed in the body in AC currents.

Ideal body tension is 30 mV.
I measure normally 300-800 mV.
With an electrical blanket that may be 4.000 mV.
And I measured once a woman on a waterbed with 55.000 mV.

Static (DC) magnetic fields from metal parts and mattresses may also result
in increased body AC currents.

The only manmade DC fields, as I see it, are static electrical fields from
for instance plastic floorings, carpets or silk curtains, etc.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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----- Original Message -----
From: "gilligan_joy" <gjoy97@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 20:47
Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on grounded cloth to reduce inflamation test


> Here is a clearer answer from EarthCalm:
>
> "Yes, it is confusing and I am sorry I was not clear. you are already
> surrounded by AC current in the house. therefore the detrimental
> aspect of electricity has already been introduced. By using the wrap
> you are not increasing the detrimental aspect which is blocking out
> the grounding to the earth's magnetic field as that has already been
> done, however you are increasing the positive aspect which is to block
> out MANMADE DC voltage. so there is an extra enhancement to block out
> more manmade DC voltages."
>
> Still kind of unclear, I think, but better.
>
> Gilligan
>
>

If you only had a Trifield meter, you could not meter the high
frequencies you were exposed to.   Even the so-called 100 times-more-sensistive
Trifield is not very sensitive at reading electric fields, and has next to nil
ability to pick up RF/MW.
      There is another model of Trifield that costs much more that I have not
tried, that is supposed to do this better, but the two lower priced ones are
really only good at reading 60 Hz magnetic fields.    (IMHO, of course.   But
just compare them to other meters to see the difference.)

      Shivani
      www.LifeEnergies.com


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Thanks for the reference to this site.  However, I have some issues with it.
It makes an interesting distinction between "chemical only" sensitivity and
"all stimuli" sensitivity.  However, it then attributes the former mainly to
CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning.  It doesn't quote much (any) underlying
evidence for this, but it does suggest months of oxygen therapy or buying
their CO meters as ways of tackling it.  I don't get the impression that
this theory is "mainstream" among MCS researchers.

Of course CO poisoning is a very severe problem when it happens and one can
well imagine it causing long term immune system damage.  But can it really
be the cause of most of today's MCS-type cases?  My own view will be
affected by the fact that we are pretty sure that Sue has not had CO
poisoning and the causes of her MCS and ES seem to be different, although
the symptoms (including light and noise sensitivity) fit those described for
MUSES.

One bit of circumstantial evidence quoted by the webpage actually severely
damages their case; they claim Edgar Allen Poe and most 19th century
Americans were gradually poisoned by CO from coal gas (this would also apply
to UK and Europe).  If this were the cause of MUSES, it and similar
afflictions should have been endemic in the 19th century and improved
considerably in the 20th century after natural gas (methane, CH4) replaced
coal gas.  In fact, MCS/MUSES seems to be largely a phenomenon of the last
20 years (and indeed natural gas and its combustion products are a trigger
for MCS and ES for some people, even though the CO content is minuscule
compared with the old coal gas). Footnote: the once-favoured means of
suicide by putting your head in the gas oven worked by CO poisoning, and of
course was no longer effective with natural gas.

Ian

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PickPinkFlowers
Sent: 31 January 2007 18:21
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [eSens] MCS MUSES and CO



www.mcsrr.org

has interesting info about a type of MCS that involves not only chemical
sensitivity but sensitivity to stimuli such as light and noise. It is caused
by carbon monoxide poisoning. I had CO poisoning before my symptoms
began so the site was useful to me. Perhaps it might help somebody else.
Josie

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Charles Claessens wrote -


I observed this sudden malfunction of leg muscles, where people find
themselves suddenly on the floor, in cooperation of present DECT phones, at
levels of 100 uW/m2.

Restless legs is quite common with levels of  1000 uW/m2.
This occurs also often with UMTS or 3G phone masts, at very low  levels,
under 100 uW/m2.

Paul

Yeah it does not take a great deal of adding up to arrive at this, I guess
for some people it would seem that I am grabbing at straws, but I am very
rational/objective about my ES.  Nevertheless I need now to begin anger
management classes becuase I am starting to feel very short changed by the whole
scenario !!


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Hi Emil

The phenomenon happens when near phone and most other things such as  live
cables
Strangely the phone is not so bad right now (10pm gmt) ie this evening in
terms of EMF mag setting but higher on electric setting approx 3.

Paul


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> It says it all to me when I decided to see if I could protect my eyes by
> wearing plastic (good quality) sun glass infront of this 19INCH DELL LCD.
> More recently it has been toasting me after say 5mins (like a  mug I sit
> there frying for as long as I can take it- a bit like sunbathing I suppose)
> well, where the small metal skrews are

Yes, that was the problem I had with wearing any kind of eyeglasses in
front
of a computer monitor -- they all seem to have some amount of metal in
them,
and any metal at all causes me problems.

Contact lenses work fine, however... :-)

Marc

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "gilligan_joy" <gjoy97@...> wrote:
>

Hi again,

MAN MADE DC would include batteries, which I find to be helpful to
block out the AC voltage coming into the room.  So I still think
that what they say is confusing.  A grounding cloth could be helpful
if it somehow ground one to the Earth, but may not do what they
think it does concerning AC-DC.  Perhaps the Earth wrap fabric serves
as some kind of cover, which protects from AC voltage touching a
person.  This, I suppose could be helpful if one was covered by
it or wrapped in it while sleeping.

Phyllicia


> Here is a clearer answer from EarthCalm:
>
> "Yes, it is confusing and I am sorry I was not clear. you are already
> surrounded by AC current in the house. therefore the detrimental
> aspect of electricity has already been introduced. By using the wrap
> you are not increasing the detrimental aspect which is blocking out
> the grounding to the earth's magnetic field as that has already been
> done, however you are increasing the positive aspect which is to block
> out MANMADE DC voltage. so there is an extra enhancement to block out
> more manmade DC voltages."
>
> Still kind of unclear, I think, but better.
>
> Gilligan
>

Here is a clearer answer from EarthCalm:

"Yes, it is confusing and I am sorry I was not clear. you are already
surrounded by AC current in the house. therefore the detrimental
aspect of electricity has already been introduced. By using the wrap
you are not increasing the detrimental aspect which is blocking out
the grounding to the earth's magnetic field as that has already been
done, however you are increasing the positive aspect which is to block
out MANMADE DC voltage. so there is an extra enhancement to block out
more manmade DC voltages."

Still kind of unclear, I think, but better.

Gilligan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "phylliciah" <phylliciah@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> The whole concept which Earthcalm uses seems totally backwards to
> me.  They admit that humans function more closely to the magnetic
> energy of the Earth, so why in the world would one function better
> being exposed to Alternating current instead of direct current?

Hi Phyllicia,

Yes, I found the statement from EarthCalm a bit confusing. I sent them
another email with the following question:

"I'm a little confused. The first para says that the wrap technique
uses AC current to block out DC voltage, but the second para says that
the earth's magnetic field is similar to DC voltage (which we don't
want blocked-out). It just seems like you made two contradictory
statements. I think I know what you mean, but could you possibly state
it more clearly?"

My guess is that the technique of wrapping the bed with a plugged-in
extension cord may somehow neutralize the effects of the ambient AC in
the room, thus allowing a better connection to the earth's magnetic
field. I really don't understand how that could work; it's not
intuitive. But for the price of a long extension cord it may be worth
trying.

Gilligan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "gilligan_joy" <gjoy97@...> wrote:
>
Hi everyone,

The whole concept which Earthcalm uses seems totally backwards to
me.  They admit that humans function more closely to the magnetic
energy of the Earth, so why in the world would one function better
being exposed to Alternating current instead of direct current?

The reason that so many of our household appliances cause us problems
is because the alternating current disrupts the natural, direct and
steady current that our bodies produce.

I can't prove it, but I am convinced that the reason that the
batteries and magnets that I use on appliances, phones, etc. no longer
switch me off or cause me problems is because they change the output
of the appliances, phones, etc. from AC to DC.  They have to be
placed properly for them to work.  Some people have put batteries in
front of or next to an appliance and expected them to work...that
does not work, and I never said that it did.

I am always very careful how I place the magnets and batteries and
what I place them on.  For example, one should never put a magnet on
the TV or computer...batteries only.  I use magnets, usually South
side touching on simple cell phones, and things like electric pencil
sharpeners.  I would not use one on a cell phone that had all the
bells and whistles, camera, etc.  I would think that it could possibly
damage that type of cell phone.

This is my two cents on this issue for whatever it is worth.  To
me the information and effect for me has been priceless, but others
seem to think that it is worth no more than it costs which isn't much.
> >Best Regards,
    Phyllicia




  One clarification is needed on the "Earthcalm Wrap" (described at
> > http://www.earthcalm.com/basics.htm) -- does this require the
> > user to have an Earthcalm plug-in unit in addition to the
> > extention cords?  If so, then it is not so inexpensive.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> Here is your clarification:
>
> I sent EarthCalm the following question:
>
> "Does the EarthCalm Wrap technique require the use of an EarthCalm
> Home Protector or other device in order to be effective?"
>
> This is EarthCalm's answer:
>
> "The wrap technique will use the ability of AC current to block out
> any DC type voltage. It is independent of our products."
>
> "Note that AC current blocks out DC type voltages therefore this is
> the reason we do not ground to the earth's magnetic field naturally
> while in our homes, as the magnetic field is similar to DC voltage. If
> you are highly affected by hi tension wires or cell phone
> towers/microwaves then the wrap will be effective for you."
>

> One clarification is needed on the "Earthcalm Wrap" (described at
> http://www.earthcalm.com/basics.htm) -- does this require the
> user to have an Earthcalm plug-in unit in addition to the
> extention cords?  If so, then it is not so inexpensive.
>
> Marc
>
Here is your clarification:

I sent EarthCalm the following question:

"Does the EarthCalm Wrap technique require the use of an EarthCalm
Home Protector or other device in order to be effective?"

This is EarthCalm's answer:

"The wrap technique will use the ability of AC current to block out
any DC type voltage. It is independent of our products."

"Note that AC current blocks out DC type voltages therefore this is
the reason we do not ground to the earth's magnetic field naturally
while in our homes, as the magnetic field is similar to DC voltage. If
you are highly affected by hi tension wires or cell phone
towers/microwaves then the wrap will be effective for you."

www.mcsrr.org

   has interesting info about a type of MCS that involves not only chemical
   sensitivity but sensitivity to stimuli such as light and noise.  It is caused
   by carbon monoxide poisoning.  I had CO poisoning before my symptoms
   began so the site was useful to me.  Perhaps it might help somebody else.
   Josie


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> The EarthCalm wrap also looks interesting. Doesn't cost much, either,
> so it may be worth trying.

One clarification is needed on the "Earthcalm Wrap" (described at
http://www.earthcalm.com/basics.htm) -- does this require the
user to have an Earthcalm plug-in unit in addition to the
extention cords?  If so, then it is not so inexpensive.

Marc

> While this technique may have some type of non-scientific effect, it
does not constitute electrical grounding.
>
> Emil

Yes, it is not solid grounding into the earth, but if it works it
works. Science is ignorant of how a lot of things work. The only
"proof" of truth or hoax in this case is by trying it.

Gilligan

While this technique may have some type of non-scientific effect, it does not
constitute electrical grounding.

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: "gilligan_joy" <gjoy97@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:09 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on grounded cloth to reduce inflamation test


> According to Jeanne Gallick, the creator of the EarthCalm products,
> you don't need to put a grounding rod deep into the ground; all you
> need is a wire connected to a living plant in a ceramic pot on a
> wooden table.
>
> See the EarthCalm Innovations section half way down the page
> http://www.earthcalm.com/basics.htm
>
> I haven't tried this because I don't need to, but it could work. If
> you live in an apartment, this may be your only option if you want to
> ground your bed.
>
> The EarthCalm wrap also looks interesting. Doesn't cost much, either,
> so it may be worth trying.
>
> Gilligan
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Paul,

Does this happen when the meter is not placed near the telephone?

When you say EMF setting, do you mean Magnetic 0-3?

Emil

----- Original Message -----
From: <paulpjc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:45 AM
Subject: [eSens] RE TRIFEILD READINGS


> Can anyone give me a definative explanation whats occurring as follows  -
>
> Trifeild meter set on EMF setting placed near, in this case a landline
> telephone as I approach it with my hand it goes from 1mg rising thgrough to 2 
then
> 3mg pulsing when my hand finally touches the unit.
>
> Thats a good one for the techees out there.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

According to Jeanne Gallick, the creator of the EarthCalm products,
you don't need to put a grounding rod deep into the ground; all you
need is a wire connected to a living plant in a ceramic pot on a
wooden table.

See the EarthCalm Innovations section half way down the page
http://www.earthcalm.com/basics.htm

I haven't tried this because I don't need to, but it could work. If
you live in an apartment, this may be your only option if you want to
ground your bed.

The EarthCalm wrap also looks interesting. Doesn't cost much, either,
so it may be worth trying.

Gilligan

Hello,

I observed this sudden malfunction of leg muscles, where people find
themselves suddenly on the floor, in cooperation of present DECT phones, at
levels of 100 uW/m2.

Restless legs is quite common with levels of 1000 uW/m2.
This occurs also often with UMTS or 3G phone masts, at very low levels,
under 100 uW/m2.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <paulpjc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:34
Subject: [eSens] RE ANKLE/LEG WEAKNESS and metal re-radiating


> Recently, during a holiday spell in Norway visiting motherinlaw, she
> unfortunately resides in a very ellectropolluted area, masts,OH Lines
> etc..I
> suffered from 2 falls, completely without warning.  On both ocassions
> there  was a
> minor deviation on the ground surface, and down I went, twisting my right
> ankle
> very badly, this happened again 2 days later.  To tie this into ES,  my
> right
> ankle shows signs of early ageing, and has varicose veins which have in
> past
> become somewhat inflamed.  Now - this happens to be the ankle that  sits
> rather nicely next to the wheel arch of my car and close to many
> electrics,  the
> EMFS are naturally high here.
>
> Since I stopped doing long mileage in my car I have noticed that the ankle
> has started to return to normal.  I firmly belive that there is a
> physiological connection here with the emfs in the car and proximity of
> ankle to  them.
>
> Also I just posted a mail re Metal re-radiating emfs/efs, (please see this
> one) but as I type my left ankle/foot sits over a 4mguass feild emiited
> from
> wiring in the floor (there is a average emf and efeild of 1.5mg around my
> monitor/keyboard)and I have just realised why my ankle is itching, it is
> in  close
> proimity to the metal eyelet for the shoe lace, the same happened with a
> different pair of shoes last night.
>
>
> As you Americans might say - Gees I gotta get the hell off this thing  !!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Can anyone give me a definative explanation whats occurring as follows  -

Trifeild meter set on EMF setting placed near, in this case a landline
telephone as I approach it with my hand it goes from 1mg rising thgrough to 2 
then
3mg pulsing when my hand finally touches the unit.

Thats a good one for the techees out there.

Thanks

Paul


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Recently, during a holiday spell in Norway visiting motherinlaw, she
unfortunately resides in a very ellectropolluted area, masts,OH Lines etc..I
suffered from 2 falls, completely without warning.  On both ocassions there  was
a
minor deviation on the ground surface, and down I went, twisting my right  ankle
very badly, this happened again 2 days later.  To tie this into ES,  my right
ankle shows signs of early ageing, and has varicose veins which have in  past
become somewhat inflamed.  Now - this happens to be the ankle that  sits
rather nicely next to the wheel arch of my car and close to many electrics,  the
EMFS are naturally high here.

Since I stopped doing long mileage in my car I have noticed that the ankle
has started to return to normal.  I firmly belive that there is a
physiological connection here with the emfs in the car and proximity of ankle to
them.

Also I just posted a mail re Metal re-radiating emfs/efs, (please see this
one) but as I type my left ankle/foot sits over a 4mguass feild emiited from
wiring in the floor (there is a average emf and efeild of 1.5mg around my
monitor/keyboard)and I have just realised why my ankle is itching, it is in 
close
proimity to the metal eyelet for the shoe lace, the same happened with a
different pair of shoes last night.


As you Americans might say - Gees I gotta get the hell off this thing  !!


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It says it all to me when I decided to see if I could protect my eyes by
wearing plastic (good quality) sun glass infront of this 19INCH DELL LCD.   More
recently it has been toasting me after say 5mins (like a  mug I sit  there
frying for as long as I can take it- a bit like sunbathing I suppose)  well,
where the small metal skrews are, that connect the supports to the lense  area
of
the sunglasses, paticularly on the LHS, the skin to the side of my eye  is
stinging !!  The LHS of my face/head seems the most sensitised, and more  so of
late.

PS No one replied re use of MU-METAL to sheild offending emfs in vehicles,
and advice of this ?

regards

Paul


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On the old Bioharmonics.com website (which used to be my main
source for Springlife Polarizers before the FDA shut them down
for making medical claims on the "Harmonizer" product), the woman
in charge was pretty excited about this device (unless I'm mixing
her up with someone else).

Personally, I've had people make me customized homeopathic remedies
using similar devices, and never had any results.

But I do recall that the Eagle product had some sort of mode
which allowed you to make a remedy for yourself, based on
using your saliva or something???

Sorry... the answer is no, I have no experience with this device,
but I have heard of it...

Marc

P.S.  For the fun of it, I ordered a MegaChi pendant the other
day, to see if I get any positive reaction to it like Gilligan
did.  If not, it'll get sent back within the 60-day money-back
guarantee window...

I just found out about a product called the Guardian
(http://www.eagleresearchllc.com/products/info/guardian) It is a
homeopathic potentizer that uses your own energy field as the input.

My guess is that this device will powerfully stimulate the life force,
if it works as advertised. For those of you with weak immune systems
(i.e. stagnant life force), this may be a huge help.

Has anyone had success with this device?

Thanks,
Gilligan

Hi Again,

One question that I failed to answer...Yes, the ground wires that I have used
are
definitely shielded.

About your heart pain Andrew, I don't know if this is true for you or not, but I
feel
that sleeping earthed has helped my heart.  I had suffered from two floppy
valves
as a result of taking Phen-fen for only a very short time.  This was discovered
by
Echo gram. I have had this problem for several years.

I took one round of a homeopathic remedy to remove the Phen-fen from my system. 
That made it a lot better, but I still had an audible click in my heart...
not audible to anyone but me.  Without any other treatment that is completely
gone.  I tell people that my heart runs like a Rolls Royce now, smooth and
quiet.
I don't know for sure that the grounding had anything to do with it, but I did
have
a bit of aching of the heart when I first started sleeping earthed.  I don't
have
any anymore.  But please don't take my word for it.  It may or may not mean
you are getting rid of inflammation in your heart and it is healing.
Phyllicia

Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:                                  I am
not the person that originally talked about the inflammation but I
  bought one and have been sleeping for a week on the barefoot pad.
  http://www.sleepingearthed.com/
  I am having some chest discomfort and I can't tell if it is from the
  barefoot pad yet. I have it plugged into the wall ground with their
  outlet connector. I am going to try to use their outside ground stake
  too and see if I can actually get a low reading on the body voltage. I
  was unable to get a low reading when I made my own copper grounding
  rod.

  I too think that there is so much man made shit running through the
  earth that how can we filter out the bad stuff and still get the
  so-called grounding and free electron benefits?
  I am still exploring and don't have a definitive answer yet on the
  barefoot pad.

  I will say that when I was sleeping on the velostat and silver mesh
  material clipped to a grounding wire in my wall socket, that really
  gave me chest pain in the morning. I don't recommend that! (additional
  variables are that my bedroom walls are painted with copper paint and
  grounded to the outlets. I wonder if the shit flying through the air is
  traveling from the walls through the ground in the wall sockets and
  ultimately through me. I wonder if there is a way to filter that out.
  Anybody have an idea how to do that?
  Andrew

  On Jan 27, 2007, at 7:51 PM, quaixemen wrote:

  > Well this weekend I drove an 8 foot grounding rod into the ground and
  > ran a wire to the bed where I safety pinned some conductive cloth that
  > I
  > got from Walmart onto the sheets.  I think I may try to sleep on it
  > tonight.  I first dug a hole into the ground and pounded the rod down
  > into the hole.  I put some material over the rod that blocks microwaves
  > and then filled the hole with rocks.  I still don't see how the wire
  > (mine has some shielding) will not pick up currents in the atmosphere
  > and cause them to also make it to the conductive cloth that I sleep on.
  > I layed down on it for a little while.  I became very very relaxed.
  > When I came in here to my computer and sat down on a metal chair I
  > touched the chair and got a shock.  I would like to hear from the
  > person
  > who posted about the 339 dollar product that removes inflamation.  How
  > did  sleeping on this make you feel?  Is there any shielding they were
  > using to keep the wire from picking up frequencies in the atmosphere?
  > Any other suggestions or input here?  Thanks.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >






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--Hi again Denom,
Okay, so who is Quaixemen?  Is that you too?
I am glad your system is working so well for you. Apparently
about one foot into the soil is adequate.
I never thought about blocking the negative energies from cell
towers and the like.  I live in the country, so that is not a
problem for me at this time.  You are probably onto something
other people should think about. The grounding stake that we
put into the ground has a plastic cover over the top of it. That
is the part that sticks up above the ground.  The stake itself
is totally in the earth.
Best Regards,
Phyllicia

  In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Phyllicia, it was me.  I didn't put the grounding rod eight feet
into the ground.  But it was an eight foot long grounding rod that I
pounded into the ground.  I didn't want the top part of the rod
sticking above ground because then it would be exposed to all the bad
frequencies that are being put into the atmosphere.  So I dug a hole
about a foot deep and pounded it down into the hole.  I then placed
some velostat on top of it to block microwaves, hopefully, from the
atmosphere.  I used some CB radio antennnae that is somewhat shielded.
  I was thinking of using some quad shielded cable and redoing the
whole thing.  I wondered though if I got the stake deep enough into
the ground to avoid the ground currents making their way back to the
electrical substations.  I did not use Velostat on the bed.  I used
some material from walmart that is 51 percent  metallic.  I safety
pinned it to the top sheet.  I slept on it for the first time last
night.  It has made a believer out of me.  I also have a magnetic
mattress that is under the sheets.  Both the magnetic mattress and the
grounded sheets feel so good and I felt so good when I got up.  Thanks
for the tip.
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Phyllicia Hutchinson
>   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [eSens] Question to SArjuna/Shivani
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>   Hi again Denom,
>
>   I just realized that it wasn't you who put the eight foot
grounding stake into the ground. I apologize that I responded to the
wrong person. I did mean to respond to your question about how deep
the free electrons go. I think that I answered that question. I am the
one who started this whole discussion about sleeping
>   earthed. I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that
my husband and I are getting.
>
>   Sorry for the mistake,
>   Best Regards, Phyllicia
>
>   denom <denom@...> wrote:
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>   From: SArjuna@...
>   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
>   Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy
>
>   I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground
currents go to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to
the substation. But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod
under the surface before those currents do not effect the grounding
rod? Has then ever been studied that you know of?
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Hi, Andrew and Quaixemen,

I will do my best to answer your questions.  I am not the one
who first posted the information about sleeping earthed.  I don't
know who posted it...all I remember seeing was an address for
a website, which I responded to.  I bought the expensive mattress
pad, grounding wire and grounding device to plug into the wall
socket.

I wrote about the amazing experience of placing my feet on the pad
and having my right hip bone move into place.  It has stayed in
place, and I believe that most of the inflammation is gone from my hip
that formed from being out of place for so long...maybe years.

The next thing that I noticed was that the edema that I had been
troubled with for many, many years was completely gone in less than
a week of sleeping earthed, and still is. Since I am an extremely
sensitive person I noticed a lot of tingling in my feet and legs
initially.  I believe that I was actually feeling the free electrons
moving into my body,looking for free radical molecules to attach to.
Free radicals are caused from molecules losing an electron from oxygen
or toxins or whatever. Sometimes this tingling, almost pins and
needles feeling,got quite uncomfortable for me, but my husband didn't
experience this. After awhile the tingling would be reduced and I
would feel toasty warm.  Both my husband and I noticed that our feet
would get warm quite quickly and stayed warm all night, but not
uncomfortably so.

I have never had any problem going to sleep quickly, and have been
able to sleep any time, anywhere.  My husband, on the other hand has
always had a more difficult time getting to sleep.  One of the things
mentioned on the www.sleepingearthed.com site is that people,when
sleeping grounded, usually get to sleep much faster and sleep through
the night.  Getting to sleep quickly happened for my husband, but the
opposite thing happened for me.  Because of the tingling in my legs
and feet it was much harder for me to get to sleep.  Also, whereas I
used to need 9 hours of sleep a night and often took an afternoon nap,
as well, now I was waking totally refreshed after only 6 hours of
sleep and no longer napping in the afternoon.  I other words, my
energy has soared.

After three weeks, we lent our carbon mattress pad and the wall
grounding plug to some relatives who were interested in buying one
for themselves. So, I got the bright idea to use the grounding wire
and grounding stake, that also came with the mattress pad,and attach
it to our regular mattress pad and sheet and put the stake into the
ground outside.

We bought some connectors and alligator clips for this purpose, and
I think it works even better than the original expensive mattress pad.
Now, our whole bed is grounded. At first I had even more trouble
getting to sleep because I was absorbing the free electrons through
my whole body, not just my lower legs and feet.

You can read my earlier post about how we attached the grounding wire
to the bed and to the ground. If anyone is interested I can give
the exact parts that we bought at Radio Shack. We spent about $12.

After we did this successfully, I heard from someone else that bought
the following grounding products from another site, and has had good
results. I will post the information without disclosing his name
because I don't have permission to disclose it, not that he would
object, I just haven't asked him.

Less EMF <lessemf@...> wrote:

     From: "Less EMF" <lessemf@...>
     Subject: Re: lessemf.com online order
     Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:26:11 -0500

     > Date : 12 Jan 2007 - 11:15

     > Product : Quantity : Price
     > a224 Deep Sleep Sheet Full : 1 : 79.95
     > a295-3 Ground Cable, plug-gator : 1 : 6.00
     > a291-50 Ground Stake Kit 50 ft : 1 : 29.95
     > a295-gc Ground Cable, gator-clamp : 1 : 6.00
     > Subtotal : 121.90
     > Shipping : 11.90
     > TOTAL : 133.80

  As I said before, I think that the grounding sheet is entirely
unnecessary.  This is the website that I bought the Ground Cable,
gator-clamp from for $6.00 plus $2.00 shipping.  It is a good price,
but now that I know how it is made I think we can do it even cheaper.
This is what we grounded our guest bed with.  I think is works very
well.

I really suggest that you read all you can on the sleepingearthed
site. There is a lot of good information there even if you don't want
to buy their expensive products.  One thing they say is that the free
electrons are pretty much on the Earth's surface and just a short
distance into the Earth, so it is entirely unnecessary to put an
8 ft. grounding stake attached to a grounding wire into the Earth.
Also,it should just be touching the earth, not enclosed in rocks.  The
grounding stake cannot suck up free electrons from rocks, but from the
Earth itself.  Just make sure that your grounding stake is in a sunny
location.  They recommend a garden,flower or otherwise.  We put ours
into a patch of rich grass that gets sun for at least half the
daylight hours.

I have no answer for Andrew's copper walls.  I have no idea how
that may or may not affect any of this. The information that I have
read from the sleepingearthed site is that one should not double
ground your mattress. In other words, do not use both the grounding
stake outside and the grounding device in the wall socket on the same
bed.

You realize this is still a very new Science...about two years old.
So, it is still pretty much experimental, experiential and subjective.
A large number of doctors and Scientists in many different fields are
now starting to believe that all of our dis-eases are caused from
inflammation.  The body uses inflammation to protect itself initially,
but then the inflammation creates more problems for the body if it
sticks around and doesn't clear up in a timely manner.  One of the
greatest benefits of sleeping earthed, or grounded, is that it can
help the body rid itself of inflammation.

I hopes this helps.
Best Regards,
Phyllicia


  In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I am not the person that originally talked about the inflammation but I
> bought one and have been sleeping for a week on the barefoot pad.
> http://www.sleepingearthed.com/
> I am having some chest discomfort and I can't tell if it is from the
> barefoot pad yet. I have it plugged into the wall ground with their
> outlet connector. I am going to try to use their outside ground stake
> too and see if I can actually get a low reading on the body voltage. I
> was unable to get a low reading when I made my own copper grounding
> rod.
>
> I too think that there is so much man made shit running through the
> earth that how can we filter out the bad stuff and still get the
> so-called grounding and free electron benefits?
> I am still exploring and don't have a definitive answer yet on the
> barefoot pad.
>
> I will say that when I was sleeping on the velostat and silver mesh
> material clipped to a grounding wire in my wall socket, that really
> gave me chest pain in the morning. I don't recommend that! (additional
> variables are that my bedroom walls are painted with copper paint and
> grounded to the outlets. I wonder if the shit flying through the air is
> traveling from the walls through the ground in the wall sockets and
> ultimately through me. I wonder if there is a way to filter that out.
> Anybody have an idea how to do that?
> Andrew
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 7:51 PM, quaixemen wrote:
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> > Well this weekend I drove an 8 foot grounding rod into the ground and
> > ran a wire to the bed where I safety pinned some conductive cloth
that
> > I
> > got from Walmart onto the sheets.  I think I may try to sleep on it
> > tonight.  I first dug a hole into the ground and pounded the rod down
> > into the hole.  I put some material over the rod that blocks
microwaves
> > and then filled the hole with rocks.  I still don't see how the wire
> > (mine has some shielding) will not pick up currents in the atmosphere
> > and cause them to also make it to the conductive cloth that I
sleep on.
> > I layed down on it for a little while.  I became very very relaxed.
> > When I came in here to my computer and sat down on a metal chair I
> > touched the chair and got a shock.  I would like to hear from the
> > person
> > who posted about the 339 dollar product that removes inflamation.  How
> > did  sleeping on this make you feel?  Is there any shielding they were
> > using to keep the wire from picking up frequencies in the atmosphere?
> > Any other suggestions or input here?  Thanks.
> >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Yes Phyllicia, it was me.  I didn't put the grounding rod eight feet into the
ground.  But it was an eight foot long grounding rod that I pounded into the
ground.  I didn't want the top part of the rod sticking above ground because
then it would be exposed to all the bad frequencies that are being put into the
atmosphere.  So I dug a hole about a foot deep and pounded it down into the
hole.  I then placed some velostat on top of it to block microwaves, hopefully,
from the atmosphere.  I used some CB radio antennnae that is somewhat shielded. 
I was thinking of using some quad shielded cable and redoing the whole thing.  I
wondered though if I got the stake deep enough into the ground to avoid the
ground currents making their way back to the electrical substations.  I did not
use Velostat on the bed.  I used some material from walmart that is 51 percent 
metallic.  I safety pinned it to the top sheet.  I slept on it for the first
time last night.  It has made a believer out of me.  I also have a magnetic
mattress that is under the sheets.  Both the magnetic mattress and the grounded
sheets feel so good and I felt so good when I got up.  Thanks for the tip.



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Phyllicia Hutchinson
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [eSens] Question to SArjuna/Shivani


   Hi again Denom,

   I just realized that it wasn't you who put the eight foot grounding stake into
the ground. I apologize that I responded to the wrong person. I did mean to
respond to your question about how deep the free electrons go. I think that I
answered that question. I am the one who started this whole discussion about
sleeping
   earthed. I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that my husband
and I are getting.

   Sorry for the mistake,
   Best Regards, Phyllicia

   denom <denom@...> wrote:
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: SArjuna@...
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
   Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy

   I would like to ask you a question. Do you know what depth ground currents go
to? I know they travel on top of the ground going back to the substation. But
how far would you have to bury a grounding rod under the surface before those
currents do not effect the grounding rod? Has then ever been studied that you
know of?

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Hi again Denom,

I just realized that it wasn't you who put the eight foot grounding stake into
the ground.  I apologize that I responded to the wrong person.  I did mean to
respond to your question about how deep the free electrons go.  I think that I
answered that question.  I am the one who started this whole discussion about
sleeping
earthed.  I wish everyone could get the same wonderful results that my husband
and I are getting.

Sorry for the mistake,
Best Regards, Phyllicia

denom <denom@...> wrote:
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    From: SArjuna@...
    To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
    Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy

  I would like to ask you a question.  Do you know what depth ground currents go
to?  I know they travel on top of the ground going back to the substation.  But
how far would you have to bury a grounding rod under the surface before those
currents do not effect the grounding rod?  Has then ever been studied that you
know of?

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--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
>Hi Denom,

I was blown away when I read that you had buried your grounding
stake eight feet deep.  From all I have read on the subject, the free
electrons are quite close to the surface of the Earth.  The
grounding stake that came with the expensive mattress pad I bought
was 1 foot long.

We attached the grounding wire to our regular mattress pad and sheet.
  We lent out our expensive mattress pad, so we rigged up attachments
to the grounding wire and to our regular mattress pad and bottom sheet
with an alligator clip, as you first suggested, and some connector's
that we bought at Radio Shack.

We have grounded our whole mattress in this way.  It is more
powerful than the expensive carbon fiber mattress pad that we
plugged into the grounding post in the wall socket. I am totally
convinced that a special grounding pad or conductive sheet is
totally unnecessary.  I just grounded our guest room mattress pad
and sheet with a very simple grounding wire that I attached to
the mattress pad and sheet with an alligator clip and plug with
only the grounding post on it.  I paid $8.50 for it including
shipping.  I believe one could make the same thing for about $2.00.
Our guest said that she slept very well and woke up refreshed.

When we grounded our mattress pad and sheet,we placed the stake
attached to the grounding wire in a sunny location outside of our
bedroom window.  It was a place that had green grass. I figured that
the sun helps to provide the free electrons on and in the Earth.

I am going to answer your other questions in another longer post.
I'm sorry that I didn't answer your questions sooner but I have had
out of town company.
Best Regards,
Phyllicia


>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: SArjuna@...
>   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:44 PM
>   Subject: [eSens] effect of others' energy
>
>
>   I would like to ask you a question.  Do you know what depth ground
currents go to?  I know they travel on top of the ground going back to
the substation.  But how far would you have to bury a grounding rod
under the surface before those currents do not effect the grounding
rod?  Has then ever been studied that you know of?
>
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I agree with Charles that a damaged immune system is key.  However, Candida
and similar gut bacteria/fungi problems seem to be one of the ways which can
lead to this.  If "leaky gut syndrome" develops, some key nutrients may not
be absorbed, while other large molecules get through the gut wall which
should not, and can upset the immune system.  This starts the downhill
spiral which eventually weakens the system so much that it leads to ES.

We think this was what happened to Sue.  She had ME-type symptoms (physical
exhaustion) which were cured by an anti-candida diet, but an underlying
weakness still seemed to be there.  Howevr, it did not turn to major immune
system dysfunction till 3 years later (triggered by a severe stress episode)
and it took another 2 years before her ES started.

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 30 January 2007 19:22
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Candida?



Hello,

be aware, that Candida albicans and Aspergillus niger both may give you the
symptoms of electrosensitivity,
without being electrosensible.

It is my opinion, that only *sick* people may become electrosensible.
By *sick*, I mean a damaged immune system.
And for that there may be several reasons;
Operations
Medications; wrong or too long
Injected contrast liquid
Heavy metals like mercury, aluminium, etc
Poisons
Near death experience
Unresolved traumas
Etc.

That is the reason why 75 % of the people do not have any complaints YET !,
because they did not reach their level, by which the system explodes.

Read *het bitje* December 2006, english version.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Garth Hitchens" <garth@spoke. <mailto:garth%40spoke.net> net>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 05:34
Subject: [eSens] Candida?

>A month or two ago there was a discussion regarding chronic candida
> growth as a factor for ESENS. I have wondered about if this was a
> factor for me as I have a number of the other symptoms listed for
> chronic candida.
>
> I did the "morning spit test" listed in several places (including
> here http://www.1stcandi <http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html>
dacure.com/candidatest.html)
>
> I definitely see strings, clouds, and specs, but it makes me wonder
> if everyone that does this test has the same result - are there
> people who do this in the morning and DON'T see strings, specs, and
> saliva? My wife's results are the same, but then she has some
> symptoms also.
>
> It seems there was a discussion about this a couple months ago, and
> someone said they had been successful in ridding themselves of the
> problem. I'm curious to get more information on exactly what they
> did, and if it did indeed result in a change in this "spit test".
> I've read the material on the internet, so I'm more curious about
> people's experiences have been here with the test and any treatments.
>
> Thanks, Garth
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