Go figure. When applying NIR (60,000 mcd operating on 2 AA batteries)
to my cheek in hope of zapping tooth infection,

despite shutting eyes tight & covering eyes with my arm,

my eyes get inflammed/dry/irritated
and my tooth throbs painfully

Both these symptoms are an intense version of that caused me by
computer monitors.

This narrows things down.
From this I see that Alternating Current is NOT my culprit.
From this I see that LIGHT RADIATION is my culprit.
Open eyes are worse (since it allows more radiation to enter body via
eyes.
HOWEVER, light penetrates my body anyway.

I also get similar symptoms from:
Acids, Garlic, Alcohol, Ethanol-based ceuticals, Chemicals, sunlight

Buffering/healing factors against above ravages are:
Humectants, Systane's glycol, Raspberry, Black Cherry, Licorice,
oils, eggs, yogurt (probably glyconutrients too, though I didn't try
that yet)

Minni

> I plug in the Noise Harvester and the readings go to 122!!

Thanks for that report, Bill!

I've found that if I have a Stetzer meter in one outlet
and then plug in the Noise Harmonizer into a different outlet,
I will see the meter drop on some outlets, and go up on
others.  I can't find any specific pattern, as
I've tried plugging the meter into other outlets and
retested.

Last night I had a Noise Harmonizer plugged into a
bedroom outlet, and slept well.  That doesn't really
mean much, but it's a good sign that I didn't have
to pull it out of the outlet in the middle of the
night due to a piercing headache...

But I do agree with you, that one shouldn't be too worried
about getting the lowest possible readings on their Stetzer
meters, as strengthening your body against EMF increases
your resistance to this noise, and frankly, noise is everywhere
(my office cubicle typically reads 300 on the Stetzer meter).
And I'm still not sure about what the Stetzer meter is
reading anyway: "rate of change of voltage".  I doubt
that this strictly corresponds with health problems from
EMF...

> The other reason I would not buy one is that I have finally found a
> way out of the problems the MCS and Electrical Fields were causing
> me.  My computer, TV, cell phone towers, cell phone, clocks, radios,
> electric line noise etc. no longer bother me.

I'd be interested in the name of the treatment/therapy, etc.
that worked for you... I can Google the rest... :-)

Thanks!

Marc

Hi Marc and All,

I received my Noise Harvester on Saturday and immediately started to
experiment with it.  The results were surprising and I decided they
must be wrong, so I tried again on Sunday and had the same type of
results.  Same thing again today so what I had for three times in a
row must be correct.

This is it:
No load on outlet Stetzer meter read 105   Note there are some other
Stetzer filters in the house on other circuits and maybe even this
one.

I plug in the Noise Harvester and the readings go to 122!!

I plug in one Stetzer filter and the readings drop to 50.

I remove the "NH" and the reading drops to 45.

I remove the Stetzer and the reading jumps to 105

I use a fluorescent floor lamp in this outlet.  It has three
ballasts and lamps in it.  One ballast is defective and the lamp
flickers.  I have tried new lamps and the problem is the ballast!.
I turned all three lamps on and the reading was 370.

I add the NH to the outlet and the reading drops to 350.

I add one Stetzer filter and the reading drops to 175.

I add second Stetzer filter and the reading goes to 180.

I remove the NH and the reading drops to 155.

I turn off the bad ballast in the lamp and the reading drops to 48.

I remove one Stetzer and the reading does not change.

I add in the NH and the reading does not change

I plugged the NH into another outlet where the TV was connected and
the meter reading did drop about 70 points.

I suspect there is something to do with the various wave forms that
have to be cancelled.

Would I buy another one?  No, not when I could get three Stetzer for
the price of one NH.

The other reason I would not buy one is that I have finally found a
way out of the problems the MCS and Electrical Fields were causing
me.  My computer, TV, cell phone towers, cell phone, clocks, radios,
electric line noise etc. no longer bother me.  If something does
bother me I can eliminate the problem using some Alternative
Medicine treatments.

If any of you are interested I would be willing to go into it.  I
will tell you up front your insurance will probably not pay for it.
It is not an overnight cure like popping a magic pill and having
your problem go away the next day.  However, it is possible for you
to learn how to do it yourself with some books that are available.
I have my life back.  I can go places, stay in hotels and so on
without any real problems.  I guess I did find the light at the end
of the tunnel and I believe you most of you could do the same thing.

Bill E

EMR/EMF mapping
  Sunday, July 30. 2006

Using government-provided information, a UK group has created maps of the EMF
and EMR that people are exposed to in the Red Lomes area.

There are separate maps illustrating exposures from electrical transmissions
lines and the various types of communications signal broadcasting towers,
which the English call "masts."  The last map combines all these exposures,
making
it clear indeed what an extremely hostile environment these combined
exposures create.  

Would you want to live someplace with this kind of exposure?  Perhaps you do.

If anyone is aware of such mapping done for any portion of the USA, please
let me know and I'll post it.  

Shivani Arjuna
Life Energies
www.LifeEnergies.com



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> "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
>
>  It does seem to be true that ES is frequency related, but I
>  wouldn't rule out 50 or 60 Hz effects completely. Studies by Dr Cyril Smith
> in the UK suggested that people were sensitive to a cocktail of
> frequencies which varied between people, but that the most commonly present
> was
> 50 Hz, the mains frequency over here. Sue (and many others) certainly
> benefit
> from having mains power switched off at night. It could be that it's
>  harmonics or high frequencies having some or most of the effect, but it
>  still seems likely that 50 Hz plays some part.
>
Shivani replies:
      Have you been able to create a situation with only 50 Hz, to see how Sue
is affected?
      When you turn off the power at night, you are blocking both the 50Hz and
the high frequencies that are also part of your incoming electricity.   The
reseach of Havas & Stetzer and others, and the experience of many ES people,
indicates that "clean" 50/60 Hz does not cause ES symptoms.    Since most
people's electricity is not clean, it is easy for them to assume that they are
electrically sensitive, when in fact the more accurate term would be "frequency
sensitive."
      Professor Olle Johannson shares this point of view.
      I invite you to read the information on electrical sensitivity on my Web
site, www.LifeEnergies.com/.
      Regards,
      Shivani


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>
> Paul wrote:
>      I just got my meter for high frequency noise on the wiring and took
> some readings. They say ideally readings should be under 25 and over
> 50 is a problem. My readings are between 600 and 1400. It seems i
> might have a problem. Have other people had readings this high, is
> that typical?
>
>
> Shivani replies:
>      Many people have readings this high, unfortunately.    Some people have
> so much electrical pollution it is actually beyond the capacity of the
> Stetzerizer meter to read it, and it just says "1."     You are likely to
notice
> that the level changes on different days of the week and at different times of
> day.   It all depends on the usage of others on your same line from the
> susbstation.   If lots of people are watching the Super Bowl, for instance, or
> it's really hot and they have AC on, then you'll get higher readings than
> usual.
>      Anyway, the important thing is to deal with whatever level you do have,
> by installing enough filters to get levels down to 20.  Be sure to check now
> and then, because you have to have enough filters to deal with the maximum
> level of dirty electricity you get.   In other words, you mention getting
> readings rasnging from 600 to 1400.   You need to filter to deal with the
1400.
>      Also, installing filters is not usually all one needs to do.   The
> filters deal with the frequencies in the electrical circuits.  But not with
> currents on your water pipes, phone lines, etcetera.   It is common to find
high
> frequency electric fields not only on these, but on many surfaces throughout
> your home that you would ordinarily not think of as conductive, such as wood
> furniture.
>      I recommend the Aaronia Multidektor Profi II to check for these
> high-frequency electric fields.   You can read about it on my Web site.
>      Regards,
>      Shivani Arjuna
>      www.LifeEnergies.com    
>
>



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> The Noise Harvester has a light which blinks more rapidly when it's
> working harder.  Curiously, I've found outlets where it doesn't blink
> very fast (once a second), and then I go over to a nearby outlet, and
> it blinks much more rapidly (10 times a second?).

This morning, I went and re-plugged the Noise Harvester into the outlets
which were causing it to blink furiously last night, and now they are
blinking much less frequently.

Also, the Stetzer meter is reading only about 45 this morning, and at
this low reading, my one Noise Harmonizer isn't having any effect on
the meter (although the Harmonizer is flashing, and presumably removing
noise)

Also, as to the big question, whether the Noise Harvester is making any
difference in the way I feel, that I cannot say for sure at this point.
I did feel a bit different watching TV last night, but I cannot say
yet whether it was the Noise Harvester that was responsible, nor can
I really say if the feeling was good or bad!  So further testing is
required, with and without the Noise Harvester present... (I'm not
quite ready to purchase a second one just yet!)

Marc

> You got high readings in your house. I never could get mine down below 25 to
30.

I recently moved into this house, and these readings are about the same as
they were in my previous house.  Historically, my favorite way to deal with
the electrical lines has been to use the Quantum Products "Mini-Max" or
"Power Conditioner", which doesn't affect the Stetzer meter at all, but
I can certainly feel the difference!  So I don't know exactly how
important these Stetzer meter readings really are, as I suspect the
Stetzer meter is designed to make their filters look good.  I've read that
a company called AudioPrism make both a meter and a line filter, and
essentially the filter removes frequencies around 200 khz, and the
meter measures frequencies around 200 khz.  Not very useful, but
the meter sure makes the filters look good!  (but their filters don't
do anything to the Stetzer meter)

Last night I watched a DVD movie with the Noise Harmonizer plugged in
next to the TV.  My impression was that the TV picture looked better
than it usually does (which is really what the Noise Harmonizer is
marketed for), but I'm going to need to do further testing to ensure
that this is not simply a placebo effect (after all, this is a new
house for me, so I'm not really used to what things are normally like
here).  And I did NOT get any sharp pains in my head, which I did
get when trying the Stetzer and AudioPrism filters.

Marc

Thanks for the info.  I can't wait till mine arrives.  I'll just buy them slowly
until I got enough of them.  You got high readings in your house.  I never could
get mine down below 25 to 30.  Maybe now I will be able to.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:11 PM
   Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Noise Harvester arrives


   denom wrote:
   > Have you tried other outlets on the circuit to see what kind of
   > effect it may have on them both closer to the fuse box (working backwards)
   > and farther away from the fuse box? Any effect on outlets
   > on other circuits than the one it is plugged into? Does putting it
   > close to the fusebox the way they recommend placement of the stetzer filters
   > give improvement in readings at the other end of the
   > circuit.? Just a few questions I can think of off the top.

   In my living room (where I've been testing so far), I don't know which way
   is upstream or downstream of the fusebox. I did try plugging in the
   noise harvester in outlets to the left and to the right of the meter.
   To the left, the meter readings dropped, while to the right, the meter
   readings went up -- I seem to recall Charles saying that the
   Stetzer filters also did this. Can one determine which way is closer
   to the fusebox based on this?

   I then went and plugged the Neutralizer into the kitchen (presumably
   a different circuit) and the meter reading in the living room dropped
   a little.

   The Noise Harvester has a light which blinks more rapidly when it's
   working harder. Curiously, I've found outlets where it doesn't blink
   very fast (once a second), and then I go over to a nearby outlet, and
   it blinks much more rapidly (10 times a second?). I've brought
   the Stetzer meter over to those outlets, and do see that there is
   a higher reading on these outlets... (e.g. 200 instead of 150)

   Marc




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denom wrote:
> Have you tried other outlets on the circuit to see what kind of
  > effect it may have on them both closer to the fuse box (working backwards)
  > and farther away from the fuse box? Any effect on outlets
> on other circuits than the one it is plugged into? Does putting it
  > close to the fusebox the way they recommend placement of the stetzer filters
  > give improvement in readings at the other end of the
> circuit.? Just a few questions I can think of off the top.

In my living room (where I've been testing so far), I don't know which way
is upstream or downstream of the fusebox.  I did try plugging in the
noise harvester in outlets to the left and to the right of the meter.
To the left, the meter readings dropped, while to the right, the meter
readings went up -- I seem to recall Charles saying that the
Stetzer filters also did this.  Can one determine which way is closer
to the fusebox based on this?

I then went and plugged the Neutralizer into the kitchen (presumably
a different circuit) and the meter reading in the living room dropped
a little.

The Noise Harvester has a light which blinks more rapidly when it's
working harder.  Curiously, I've found outlets where it doesn't blink
very fast (once a second), and then I go over to a nearby outlet, and
it blinks much more rapidly (10 times a second?).  I've brought
the Stetzer meter over to those outlets, and do see that there is
a higher reading on these outlets... (e.g. 200 instead of 150)

Marc

Have you tried other outlets on the circuit to see what kind of effect it may
have on them both closer to the fuse box (working backwards) and farther away
from the fuse box?  Any effect on outlets on other circuits than the one it is
plugged into?  Does putting it close to the fusebox the way they recommend
placement of the stetzer filters give improvement in readings at the other end
of the circuit.?  Just a few questions I can think of off the top.  thanks
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:19 PM
   Subject: [eSens] Re: Noise Harvester arrives


   > I received a single Noise Harvester today. I checked it
   > with my Stetzerizer meter, and the meter readings are no
   > different when the Harvester is plugged in or not.

   Oh wait, I just tried this experiment again, and the
   Noise Harvester *did* change the Stetzer meter readings.
   Without the Noise Harvester plugged in, the readings
   were on the order of 145. With it plugged in, the
   reading dropped to about 105. That's not a big
   drop though...

   Marc





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Bit enough for me to try one.  Ordering one now.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 7:19 PM
   Subject: [eSens] Re: Noise Harvester arrives


   > I received a single Noise Harvester today. I checked it
   > with my Stetzerizer meter, and the meter readings are no
   > different when the Harvester is plugged in or not.

   Oh wait, I just tried this experiment again, and the
   Noise Harvester *did* change the Stetzer meter readings.
   Without the Noise Harvester plugged in, the readings
   were on the order of 145. With it plugged in, the
   reading dropped to about 105. That's not a big
   drop though...

   Marc





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> I received a single Noise Harvester today.  I checked it
> with my Stetzerizer meter, and the meter readings are no
> different when the Harvester is plugged in or not.

Oh wait, I just tried this experiment again, and the
Noise Harvester *did* change the Stetzer meter readings.
Without the Noise Harvester plugged in, the readings
were on the order of 145.  With it plugged in, the
reading dropped to about 105.  That's not a big
drop though...

Marc

Hi all,

I received a single Noise Harvester today.  I checked it
with my Stetzerizer meter, and the meter readings are no
different when the Harvester is plugged in or not.  Does
anyone know what precisely this meter is reading?  Is it a
single frequency, or a combination of frequencies?

It'll take more investigation to determine if I feel
anything from this single Noise Harvester.  So far
I've only used it briefly, and did not experience
any sharp pains in my head, which every other
capacitor filter has caused me almost immediately.  And
I'm not concerned about it not registering on the
Stetzerizer meter, as the Quantum MiniMax and Power
strips don't register on that meter either, yet I
can feel the difference with those plugged in.

Marc

Hello,

on:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina110.html

is the August issue of *het bitje* available for download.

It is in three languages.

This time it describes a small detector.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

>
>       Dave Stetzer, industrial electrician, and Dr. Magda Havas, professor of
environmental and resources studies, Trent University, Ontario, discussed the
health effects of dirty electricity yesterday (July 28th) on the Joy Cardin
show of Wisconsin Public Radio.

>      To download the interview, go to: www.wpr.org/webcasting/ideas_a
> udioarchives.cfm?Code=jca  
> If this does not take you straight to the archives of the Joy Cardin show,
> click on "archives."
>
      More interviews of Dave & Magda and other researchers and activists can
be found at: www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=resources
>
>      Regards,
>      Shivani Arjuna
      Life Energies
      www.LifeEnergies.com

>
>


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> as fas as I can read, the Noise Harvester works in the frequency band of
> 8 and 12 kHz.

Yes, although elsewhere I've read that it works at all frequencies above
8 khz.  But perhaps that's just because it takes out the harmonics of
8khz-12khz noise?

Also, I've read that the Noise Harvester removes noise from both the
hot and the neutral wire, which is why the plug is not polarized.  It
doesn't matter if it's plugged in upside down or not.  It does nothing
to the ground connection, so there is no ground connection.

Oh well, all that really matters to me is whether it makes some sort of
difference in my ES symptoms while watching TV or using the computer,
and only some hands-on experience will tell me that!

(and I guess one could combine the Stetzer filters with these -- the
10khz noise introduced by the Stetzers will be taken out by the
Noise Harvesters!)  :-)

Marc

Hello,

as fas as I can read, the Noise Harvester works in the frequency band of 8
and 12 kHz.

As far as I can measure, most disturbances are in the frequency band of 30
and 150 kHz.
So mostly just above 30 kHz.

Regarding regulations and norms, the frequency band between 1.25 and 150 kHz
is a grey area.

A German company with great experience with distorted tranformators and
capacitors warns against the use of more Stetzer filters, because than
unwanted resonances may occur, which can damage other electrical equipment.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

> But now, or should I say
> 7 months ago, after partying a little to hard on New Years, this ES
> developed.

So, you think "partying" was the trigger for your ES?  I suppose
a common connection between your partying and my antibiotics use
may be liver damage.  Perhaps it's the part of the liver which
detoxifies heavy metals and/or radiation that gets impaired?

Just theorizing...

Marc

Paresh wrote:
> Does anyone have experience w a product called Safe Space:
  > http://www.ghchealth.com/health-accessories/?

I've briefly used the Space Space 2... it increased my
ES symptoms, not reduced them.

The company which manufactures these is Dimensional Design.
They also sell a line of playing-card sized "devices" for
various purposes.  Their "environmental protection card"
does indeed seem to temporarily improve my computer
tolerance, but I find that I can only tolerate using
the card for an hour or two a day, so that's not of
much use to me.  I've tried some of their other cards (vitalizer,
stress relief, protectoplex) but can't say anything definite
about these other than they make my ES symptoms worse!

    http://dimensionaldesign.com/cards/cards.html

Marc

denom wrote:
> Where did you get this noise harvester and how much does it cost.

I got mine at:

    http://audioadvisor.com/

They cost $85 each.  From what I gather, they recommend about
5 for a whole house (but they recommend this based on
audio/video quality, not health).

Marc

Does anyone have experience w a product called Safe Space:
http://www.ghchealth.com/health-accessories/? Thanks
blessings,
  Paresh

http://home.earthlink.net/~sunmoonyoga/



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Where did you get this noise harvester and how much does it cost.  I may be
interested in one.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:03 PM
   Subject: Re: [eSens] Noise Harvester


   > it looks like it works like those Stetzer filters.

   As I understand it, the Stetzer filters reroutes
   the line noise from the hot wire to the neutral
   wire? I've tried 3 types of filters which work
   using this principal, and all 3 of them gave me
   a similar sort of irritation (sharp pain my
   head was the main symptom).

   The Noise Harvester doesn't claim to work like
   this. Instead, it takes the noise from the
   hot wire, temporarily stores it, and then
   uses that to drive an LED. So there is
   no transfer of the noise to the neutral
   line.

   I think this possibly would also make this
   safer for households which may have some
   of their outlets wired wired incorrectly?
   (perhaps not)

   The video on the manufacturers website shows
   how the device flashes more rapidly when you
   turn on a nearby dimmer switch, and also shows
   how the oscilloscope meter changes as you plug
   in one of the devices.

   I've ordered one for myself, and will report
   what I find. I no longer have any Stetzer
   filters, so I cannot do a direct comparison,
   but I'm sure others here can do that (I
   do still have the Stetzer meter, though)

   Marc




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Somebody will have to straighten me out here if I don't know what I'm talking
about.  10 killoherts is 10000, correct.  That is a frequency that is very good
for the brain.  People in the lyme rife group run that frequency after running
their rife frequencies.  I used to run that frequency for hours because it was
so soothing.  Maybe that is why I get such a good feeling from all the filters I
have.  Just a thought.  I'm sure somebody here will chime in if I'm incorrect.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:47 PM
   Subject: [eSens] negative evaluation of Stetzer filters


   Hi all,

   When I first tried the Stetzer filters, I made a statement
   that my ES was telling me that the filters were adding to
   problem, not helping. Now I see that there is a report
   (with lots of oscilliscope photos) that concludes the same
   thing -- that at frequencies around 10khz, there is more
   line noise after the filters were installed than before!

   http://tinyurl.com/z8u2j

   Marc





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> I have heard of the spring life polarizer, I just may give it a try.
> So I guess the main supplents are EFA's and antioxidants.

I've tried a *lot* of supplements over the years, but these days
it all seems to be down to antioxidants, EFAs, alkalanizing minerals,
and probiotics.  And some of this stuff can be gotten more
effectively from foods instead of pills, if one is up for
a complete overhaul of their diet... :-)

> Have you
> heard of the correlation between ES and Heavy Metals (e.g. Mercury) I
> had problems with some fillings years ago which I took out and
> detoxed from. After some time I felt better. But now, or should I say
> 7 months ago, after partying a little to hard on New Years, this ES
> developed. When did yours start?

Yes, I've heard of this connection, and have tried many forms of
mercury chelation.  I have very little tolerance for these types
of products however (meaning that I feel very bad even at
small dosages), which indicates to me that it is indeed a big
problem for me.  However, since I also wish to be functional,
I don't take these sorts of products much anymore (although
maybe I should for their longterm benefit?).  I'd suggest
"NDF" as a good thing to try for mercury detox, but there
are lots of others out there.

My problems started about 6 years ago, after I had been suffering
from a sinus infection and was put on repeated rounds of
antibiotics.  The antibiotics finally cured my sinus infection,
but left me with all sorts of sensitivities that I didn't have
before (chemical & electrical)

> Has it improved at all?

As long as I stick to my supplements, food, and devices, I
manage a "normal" life, which is *much* better than before, when
I couldn't work because of the workplace environment, needed
a *lot* of sleep, and also couldn't watch TV, use the phone,
etc. without discomfort.  These days, I don't think at all
about things that I used to dread.

> Have you heard of this condition being resolved in anyone?

Yes, people who have detoxed sucessfully claim to be cured.
I can't say that I have detoxed sucessfully, but it's not for
lack of trying!

> I have been looking into shielding my bedroom but it seems
> to be a difficult and costly thing to do. I know that you
> have not had much luck with this, but do
> you know how other people went about getting this done?

I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you! (if they are reading).
There are fabrics, paints, etc. -- lessemf.com has probably
everything you would need for this...

Marc

...oh, and here is a German source of the Noise Harmonizer,
so there is indeed a European version of this:

   http://www.hifi2die4.de/produkte/ps_a_harv.htm

Marc

Oh... some more suggestions for Seper...

Remove unneccesary metals from your body.  That is, rethink
carrying your keys in your pocket, or a large belt buckle.
Perhaps replace metal-framed eyeglasses with plastic, or
metal dental work with plastic composites.  (all this
metal acts as an antenna)

A lot of people here have noticed a correlation with
heavy metal toxicity and ES, so doing something to
detox yourself from metals could be helpful.  Although
during the detox, you may find your ES symptoms to be
worse (and some people here have theorized that ES
symptoms are in fact just heavy metal detox symptoms
due to metals being mobilized into your bloodstream
by EMF)

Also, at home I use air purifiers which generate ozone,
as this reduces the odors coming from our cat's litter
box.  I think this also helps my ES though, as these
also increase the amount of negative ions in the air.
(ion generators did not work as well for me -- I got
sharp winces of pain on my skin from them, and they
didn't help with any odors!).

Marc

Hi all,

When I first tried the Stetzer filters, I made a statement
that my ES was telling me that the filters were adding to
problem, not helping.  Now I see that there is a report
(with lots of oscilliscope photos) that concludes the same
thing -- that at frequencies around 10khz, there is more
line noise after the filters were installed than before!

   http://tinyurl.com/z8u2j

Marc

> I'm curious to know exactly what supplements you take and which
> protection devices you use. I bought about 9 stetzer filters but
> haven't really felt much benefit. If I could save myself years of
> trial and error that would be the purpose of this group fulfilled.

Everyone has a different environment and has different sensitivities,
so what works for me won't necessarily work for you.

That said, I've had good sucess with antioxidants (I take Active H-
powder now, but there is a similar product called Megahydrate),
Essential Fatty Acids (evening primrose oil taken orally or
borage oil skin cream applied to the face helps with the "burning
face symptom", flax oil helps my allergies but not ES), minerals
(foods high in potassium and/or magnesium seem to work the best
for me, but I also take a supplement called "Cellfood").  Also,
the foods I eat now tend to be less cooked,
more organic, and are never microwaved -- I don't know how much
this actually helps with ES, though, although it does seem to
be "healthier".  I've also taken a lot of probiotics (the
best were from Custom Probiotics) and digestive enzymes (currently
use Zypan from Standard Process).  Plus a lot of "Green Food"
supplements, which these days are mostly "Superfood Bars"
from Odwalla, and Greenlife#10 from Sonne.

As for devices, the ones from Quantum Products have proven helpful for
me, as have Springlife Polarizers (I usually use some combination of
both).  But there are other things which I've noted that has made
some difference, like Earthcalm resonators, Radar cards, Electromagnetic
Pollution Rectifiers, Aulterra Neutralizer stickers, etc.  I've
also tried plenty of other devices over the years which appeared
to do little to nothing, or actually made me worse!

Also, distancing yourself more from your computer, computer monitor,
clock radio near the bed can help.  If you have a CRT monitor, you
can also turn down the resolution and get benefit.  And eliminating
any dimmer switches in the house, compact florescent lighting,
wireless phones and Internet can help.

Plus, the shoes I wear have static dissapative soles, so I no
longer get shocks.

Others have used a variety of shielding materials -- I've not
had much luck with these, so I just don't do this at all anymore.

I can provide more info/links for any of the above, or alternately
you can do Google searches on anything that looks interesting to you.

Marc

Hi Seper,

Welcome, and sympathies.  The simplest (and cheapest) quick remedy we found
for my wife Sue's ES-related sleep disorder was simply to turn off the power
in the house at night at the mains.  This reduced the problem considerably
and helped break the vicious circle.  Of course it involves lifestyle
changes particularly with regard to frozen food.

Howevrer you will probably find there are things specific to you that add to
the sleep disturbance - you can search for these and try to solve them.  In
Sue's case these included emissions from a special type of street light by
our house (which the council kindly replaced!) and the neighbours' cordless
phone coming through the shared wall (which we blocked off with metallic
netting).

Best wishes, Ian

   _____

From: eSens@yahoogroups.com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
soulpro44
Sent: 27 July 2006 00:14
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [eSens] New To Group//Looking to Connect



Hello all,

I'm new to the group and I just wanted to collaborate with everyone to
remedy the EHS that I have been dealing with for the past 7 months. I
live out in Los Angeles and was also wondering if there is anyone who
lives out here who is experiencing EHS or ES. My main symptom is sleep
disturbance--a tough battle to get even a miniscule amount of rest.
Aside from that I guess you could say that I have problems with cell
phones, computers, and TV. Lately however I have been able to watch
more television and not get any symptoms. This is a very difficult
thing to go through, you are all well aware of that. I truly
appreciate that there is a group like this and hope that I can get to
know some of you, and hopefully, through one another's support, we can
find some cure or treatment.

--Seper






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