Straw bale houses can be heated very easily.   "With a candle," people
say jokingly.    Not quite that easily, but very, very easily.    As fossil
fuels get scarcer, a passive-solar-heated straw bale house looks better and
better.   Much cheaper to build, too.
      Yes, I know y'all can't go out and build a house, but in a few more
years those who did may be sitting cozy in cold times.

      Regards,
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Hello,

according to the advertisement, it makes only positively charged ions.
The IonCleanse machine makes positively as well as negatively charged ions,
and those in several fixed and adjustable programs.
We see the difference between the positively and the negatively.

They use the same color charts, etc, so it is a cheap imitation.
But, of course it is cheaper.


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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 23:08
Subject: [eSens] IONIC FOOT BATH


> http://www.8candlesonline.com  has ionic footbath for 1295.  Anybody
> have opinions about this product.  I think it mentions that you just
> add water to make it work.  No mention of adding salt.  Probably not
> nearly as good as the one mentioned here for 2700 dollars. What do you
> people think?
>
>

http://www.8candlesonline.com  has ionic footbath for 1295.  Anybody
have opinions about this product.  I think it mentions that you just
add water to make it work.  No mention of adding salt.  Probably not
nearly as good as the one mentioned here for 2700 dollars. What do you
people think?

Hi,

   Have not really stressed this, maybe. Healing took place in jumps around
massage and crystals. Myrrh and aloe and scented oils.

   See the boys next door. They spend their day drawing the Volcom logo, their
T-shirts have a crystal heart. Woke up remembering the feeling of my last
massage, when the masseuse put a crystal on my heart. That very large and clear
crystal really got it off my chest.

   Gonna get me that crystal in my heart.

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It has been a long time since I drank water of any kind just straight
from the machine.  I used to drink it like that.  I'd fill up a jug
or two and take it with me to work.  I even tried zapping the water
with a frequency using a device I made out of Rife equipment.  I had
read about an experiment in Russia with water that had been zapped
and then drank to cure some illness.  But nowadays I just use the
water to make my mixture of physillum husks, black strap molasis and
sonne clay bentonite.  I will say it was better than drinking water
from the tap and better than drinking distilled water that I had
drank for a long time before that.  I never tried to use the machine
to apply acidic water to anything to clean it.  Except maybe once or
twice I soaked my feet in acidic water from the machine.  Didn't
notice anything different.  When you listen to people try to explain
what the water does it does sound pretty healthy.  I tried Penta
water from the health food  store which is supposed to be made in a
similar way.  I could feel something positive from it but hard to
explain especially since it was so long ago and I can't really
remember except that it was a good reaction.  You might try some
Penta water and if you like it then it might be worth the investment
to buy the machine that makes something very similar to it.





--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Quaixmen,
>
>   I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from the
water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.  So,
yes, therefore one should be able to use it in a regular footbath and
get similar results.  I have only surmised this from my reading and
not actual experience, tho, so I may be wrong.  Why don't you try it
and see, if you have the water machine.  A regular foot bath doesn't
cost all that much.  (One that swirls the water around like a jacuzzi
tub--here they only cost about $35 on sale after the holidays.)
>
>   How do you like your water machine?  Do you see any health
benefits?  Do you still use the water all the time?  Have you tried
adding minerals to it or anything else?  Do you use the positive
water for cleaning like they propose in the ads; how does that work
for you?  Is there anything you wish was different on your machine?
Sorry--I have so many questions.  Thanks in advance for any info you
have.
>
>   To anybody here that can answer this....  Is the highly alkaline
water bad for ES because of adding negative ions to your body that
then attract positive "bad" ions from cell masts, pollution, etc?
How does this work?  I never had ES until I used my cell phone (of
course I never owned a cell phone before and live pretty much in
a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.)  Could my recent use of neg ion water
be causing me to have ES symptoms?  (Well, I must qualify that--the
feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or
vibrating in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had
at times before, but never knew what caused it at the time.  I had it
very infrequently, however.  This, btw, feels like a sinus thing.  Is
this the same feeling you all get?  I know that you with bad ES get
worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around sinuses normal to
what one would get with ES?)
>
>   Diane
>
> quaixemen <straitguy@s...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites.  I do
> already have a water ionizer.  I got mine from Watershed.com at
least
> a couple years ago.  I used to set it on the highest alkaline
setting
> but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may
increase
> my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting.  Are you saying
> that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind
of
> water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
> toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?
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Hi Evie,

   My experience with alkaline water is that it gets an energy out of my body
faster, an energy I want to go out of it, . My experience with sinus things,
usually shortlived in my case, just blow my nose, is it also gets out what i
want to go out of my body.

   If you picture a white light of unconditional love, or unconditional
love-shower while praying, relaxing or meditating, you may get some symptoms.
These symtoms are generally what i have also been looking for in anything i use,
ginseng and tumeric (raw in nose for exaample)..

   Go with your intuition and try to avoid mental choices.

   Love

Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
     To anybody here that can answer this....  Is the highly alkaline water bad
for ES because of adding negative ions to your body that then attract positive
"bad" ions from cell masts, pollution, etc?  How does this work?  I never had ES
until I used my cell phone (of course I never owned a cell phone before and live
pretty much in a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.)  Could my recent use of neg ion
water be causing me to have ES symptoms?  (Well, I must qualify that--the
feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or vibrating
in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had at times before, but
never knew what caused it at the time.  I had it very infrequently, however. 
This, btw, feels like a sinus thing.  Is this the same feeling you all get?  I
know that you with bad ES get worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around
sinuses normal to what one would get with ES?)

   Diane

quaixemen <straitguy@...> wrote:

Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites.  I do
already have a water ionizer.  I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago.  I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting.  Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?

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Hi, Cara,

   Oh!  Thanks for clarifying that.  Yes, I was talking of other brands.  That
was why I sent all the site addies for the drinking water machines.  They are
all different prices, too, and I am not always sure, reading the sites, what the
differences are.  You really don't have much to go on with some of the
explanations.

   Thanks again,
   Diane

Cara <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
   Hi Diane,
Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just phoned the
company again,
and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned by Charles) is
$2695,
unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this high priced
gizmo and
the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried any ionizers.
The
website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the techies in the
group
wants to check it out:
http://www.amajordifference.com/iontheory.php

-Cara

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Cara,
>
>   The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400.  The
$2695 is the
price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes.  (And that
is even
pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about $1300.)
>
>   Good health,
>   Diane
>
> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
>   Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695,
$65 to try it
out
> first seems like a bargain.  I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco
practitioner
> about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you
want to take
> advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself,
we'd love to
> hear about your results.   ;-)
>
> For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine,
here is the
> website of the place I found:
> http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath
>
> ~Cara
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> >
> >  > Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> > > two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one
yesterday,
> >  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.
> >
> > That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
> > around here was $30 for 30 minutes...
> >
> > Marc
> >
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The IonCleanse machine is top notch.
Of course there are cheaper imitations (1400 $), but they do have
limitations, in safety and others (electrical shocks).
It is explained on their website.
The IonCleanse is also electrically approved and has CE mark.
I do have all those certifications.

The plates corrode. Depending on the water and the persons detoxification,
they say that they have a lifetime of 20-60 times of use.
Replacements cost 65 $.

It is rather expensive.
But a Rife machine or a Lakhovsky Multiple Wave Oscillator is also
expensive.

Being healthy is not cheap and costs money.

The trick is not a bath with ionized water, but the change of positive to
negative and back at a certain voltage and amps does by osmosis the
detoxification work.
The ions go into the body and pull the poisons out.

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From: "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 20:37
Subject: [eSens] Re: water ionizer/ionic foot bath


> Hi Diane,
> Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just phoned the
> company again,
> and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned by
> Charles) is $2695,
> unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this high
> priced gizmo and
> the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried any
> ionizers. The
> website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the techies
> in the group
> wants to check it out:
> http://www.amajordifference.com/iontheory.php
>
> -Cara
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Cara,
>>
>>   The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400.  The
>> $2695 is the
> price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes.  (And
> that is even
> pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about
> $1300.)
>>
>>   Good health,
>>   Diane
>>
>> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
>>   Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs
>> $2695, $65 to try it
> out
>> first seems like a bargain.  I haven't heard back from the 2nd San
>> Francisco practitioner
>> about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if
>> you want to take
>> advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session
>> yourself, we'd love to
>> hear about your results.   ;-)
>>
>> For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse
>> machine, here is the
>> website of the place I found:
>> http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath
>>
>> ~Cara
>>
>> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
>> >
>> >  > Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
>> > > two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one
>> > > yesterday,
>> >  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.
>> >
>> > That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
>> > around here was $30 for 30 minutes...
>> >
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>> >
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Hi Diane,
Thanks, but I believe you're talking about other brands. I just phoned the
company again,
and they confirmed that the IonCleanse machine (the one mentioned by Charles) is
$2695,
unfortunately. One wonders what the differences are between this high priced
gizmo and
the ones that cost $300-400. I'm no expert, and have never tried any ionizers.
The
website attempts to explain how this machine works, if any of the techies in the
group
wants to check it out:
http://www.amajordifference.com/iontheory.php

-Cara

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Cara,
>
>   The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400.  The
$2695 is the
price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes.  (And that
is even
pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by about $1300.)
>
>   Good health,
>   Diane
>
> Cara <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:
>   Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695,
$65 to try it
out
> first seems like a bargain.  I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco
practitioner
> about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you
want to take
> advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself,
we'd love to
> hear about your results.   ;-)
>
> For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine,
here is the
> website of the place I found:
> http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath
>
> ~Cara
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> >
> >  > Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> > > two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one
yesterday,
> >  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.
> >
> > That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
> > around here was $30 for 30 minutes...
> >
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Hi, Marc,

   True--you wouldn't have the water ionizing while using it.  I wonder whether
the ionic water itself in a foot bath would have any effect?  Do the neg ions
get continually replenished in an ionic foot bath?

   Thanks, Marc, re your take on alkaline water.

   Good health,
   Diane
Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
   >I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from
>the water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.

I don't think you're going to get the same kind of results from
soaking your feet in alkaline water that you would get from one of
these ionic foot baths.  I think the devices in the foot baths
are creating an environment in the water that cannot be
maintained once the device is turned off (note that when you
are doing these foot baths, your feet are sharing the water
with a device that is turned on and actively doing something
to the water)

> Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES

My experience is that alkaline water (water treated with
Megahydrin, Active H, etc.) relieves ES symptoms
immediately. Although if your body is too alkaline to start
with, then alkaline water will throw you further out of
balance. So I suspect it varies by a person's current body
pH.

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Hi, Cara,

   The cost of the foot bath with ionized water is only $300 to $400.  The $2695
is the price of a neg water machine for drinking water and other purposes.  (And
that is even pricier than you need to pay for the drinking water machine by
about $1300.)

   Good health,
   Diane

Cara <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
   Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65
to try it out
first seems like a bargain.  I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco
practitioner
about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you
want to take
advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself,
we'd love to
hear about your results.   ;-)

For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine, here
is the
website of the place I found:
http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath

~Cara

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
>
>  > Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> > two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one
yesterday,
>  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.
>
> That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
> around here was $30 for 30 minutes...
>
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> In the meantime, Marc, if you want to take
> advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse
  > session yourself, we'd love to hear about your results.   ;-)

I don't think I've tried the IonClease specifically, but I
have tried two similar types of devices.  I wasn't impressed,
although I suppose it could have taken many sessions to get
results.

Marc

>I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from
  >the water machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.

I don't think you're going to get the same kind of results from
soaking your feet in alkaline water that you would get from one of
these ionic foot baths.  I think the devices in the foot baths
are creating an environment in the water that cannot be
maintained once the device is turned off (note that when you
are doing these foot baths, your feet are sharing the water
with a device that is turned on and actively doing something
to the water)

  > Is the highly alkaline water bad for ES

My experience is that alkaline water (water treated with
Megahydrin, Active H, etc.) relieves ES symptoms
immediately. Although if your body is too alkaline to start
with, then alkaline water will throw you further out of
balance. So I suspect it varies by a person's current body
pH.

Marc

Yup, it's a bit pricey, but since buying the machine outright costs $2695, $65
to try it out
first seems like a bargain.  I haven't heard back from the 2nd San Francisco
practitioner
about her rates but if I do I'll let you know. In the meantime, Marc, if you
want to take
advantage of those low Seattle rates and try an IonCleanse session yourself,
we'd love to
hear about your results.   ;-)

For anyone else in the SF area who's curious about the IonCleanse machine, here
is the
website of the place I found:
http://www.castrohealingcenter.com/healing-modalities.htm#detoxfootbath

~Cara

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
>
>  > Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> > two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one
yesterday,
>  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.
>
> That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
> around here was $30 for 30 minutes...
>
> Marc
>

Hi, Quaixmen,

   I *think* that the water is the same--the alkaline water from the water
machine--that they use in the electrolized foot baths.  So, yes, therefore one
should be able to use it in a regular footbath and get similar results.  I have
only surmised this from my reading and not actual experience, tho, so I may be
wrong.  Why don't you try it and see, if you have the water machine.  A regular
foot bath doesn't cost all that much.  (One that swirls the water around like a
jacuzzi tub--here they only cost about $35 on sale after the holidays.)

   How do you like your water machine?  Do you see any health benefits?  Do you
still use the water all the time?  Have you tried adding minerals to it or
anything else?  Do you use the positive water for cleaning like they propose in
the ads; how does that work for you?  Is there anything you wish was different
on your machine?  Sorry--I have so many questions.  Thanks in advance for any
info you have.

   To anybody here that can answer this....  Is the highly alkaline water bad for
ES because of adding negative ions to your body that then attract positive "bad"
ions from cell masts, pollution, etc?  How does this work?  I never had ES until
I used my cell phone (of course I never owned a cell phone before and live
pretty much in a "dead" zone, frequency-wise.)  Could my recent use of neg ion
water be causing me to have ES symptoms?  (Well, I must qualify that--the
feeling I had using the cell phone--like something pulling out of or vibrating
in my jaws and eyes and forehead above my eyes--I have had at times before, but
never knew what caused it at the time.  I had it very infrequently, however. 
This, btw, feels like a sinus thing.  Is this the same feeling you all get?  I
know that you with bad ES get worse than this, but, I mean is this pain around
sinuses normal to what one would get with ES?)

   Diane

quaixemen <straitguy@...> wrote:

Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites.  I do
already have a water ionizer.  I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago.  I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting.  Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?

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> Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to refer me to
> two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one yesterday,
  > and the rate for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.

That seems kind of expensive... I thought that the going rate
around here was $30 for 30 minutes...

Marc

Quaixemen, if you are curious about the specific IonCleanse (foot bath) machine
that
Charles is using, you may want to call the toll free number from the "A Major
Difference"
website that Charles posted. Here in my area (San Francisco) they were able to
refer me to
two different practitioners with IonCleanse equipment. I called one yesterday,
and the rate
for a half hour ionic foot bath session is $65.

http://www.amajordifference.com/cleansehome.php
Toll free number for referrals to local practitioners: (877) 315-8638

Good luck!
~Cara

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites.  I do
> already have a water ionizer.  I got mine from Watershed.com at least
> a couple years ago.  I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
> but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
> my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting.  Are you saying
> that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
> water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
> toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?  I am confused
> here.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Quaixemen,
> >
> >   These are sites where I have found water machines.  You will have
> to investigate each thoroughly, tho, because they are not all equal
> in what they do, nor are the same machines the same prices at
> different sites.  I decided to send all my sites, rather than the 2 I
> was interested in, since I really do not know how to judge one from
> another and maybe you here know more about the "ORP" issue than I
> do.  As you probably know, many consider this quack science, anyway,
> and not to be believable science.  However, I have read a couple of
> medical abstracts dealing with negative hydrogen water or the
> negative effects of positive water.  I can send a couple of those if
> you need them.  I don't think this is scientifically proven one way
> or the other.  I am just looking for something to replace a pricey
> supplement I am on and this appears to work.  I was serious about
> buying the one at ionlight or I think the technos one--it had 5 pH
> settings on it.  The last site is from a cancer support
> >  group and lists some brands that cancer patients use.
> >
> >   http://www.ionlight.com/
> >
> >   http://www.betterwayhealth.com/
> >
> >   http://watershed.net/technos.htm
> >
> >   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/82053.html
> >
> >   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/81026.html
> >
> >   http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-29-2005-82605.asp
> >
> >   http://www.buyamag.com/wionizer.htm
> >
> >   http://www.jupiterionizers.com/catalog/index.php?
> cPath=1&engine=adwords!1895&keyword=%28water+ionizers%29&match_type=
> >
> >   http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/W002.php3
> >
> >   http://www.naturesalternatives.com/water/
> >
> >   http://www.fernsnutrition.com/water_ionizers.html
> >
> >   http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/atonic1.htm
> >
> >   http://www.wellnessgoods.com/structured.asp
> >
> >   http://www.portalmarket.com/micro.html
> >
> >   http://www.promolife.com/products/alkal.htm
> >
> >   http://www.healthymagnets.com/cgi-
> local/SoftCart.exe/alkazonewaterionizer.htm?E+scstore
> >
> >   http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/livingwater.html
> >
> >   http://www.aquatechnology.net/VITALIZER_PLUS.html
> >
> >   http://www.bluestonegroup.com/index.cfm
> >
> >   http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/IonizedWater.html
> >
> >   Diane
> >
> >
> > quaixemen <straitguy@s...> wrote:
> >
> >   > However, this additive to water seems
> > > to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to
> >   > invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.
> >
> > Are there any machines that are in this price range.  I'd much
> better be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

Thanks for going to all the trouble to list these sites.  I do
already have a water ionizer.  I got mine from Watershed.com at least
a couple years ago.  I used to set it on the highest alkaline setting
but after reading on this site that very alkaline water may increase
my ES symptoms I no longer have it on that setting.  Are you saying
that the machines that people soak their feet in use the same kind of
water and that there is a way to use my water ionizer to pull the
toxins out of my feet the way Charles is describing?  I am confused
here.





--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Quaixemen,
>
>   These are sites where I have found water machines.  You will have
to investigate each thoroughly, tho, because they are not all equal
in what they do, nor are the same machines the same prices at
different sites.  I decided to send all my sites, rather than the 2 I
was interested in, since I really do not know how to judge one from
another and maybe you here know more about the "ORP" issue than I
do.  As you probably know, many consider this quack science, anyway,
and not to be believable science.  However, I have read a couple of
medical abstracts dealing with negative hydrogen water or the
negative effects of positive water.  I can send a couple of those if
you need them.  I don't think this is scientifically proven one way
or the other.  I am just looking for something to replace a pricey
supplement I am on and this appears to work.  I was serious about
buying the one at ionlight or I think the technos one--it had 5 pH
settings on it.  The last site is from a cancer support
>  group and lists some brands that cancer patients use.
>
>   http://www.ionlight.com/
>
>   http://www.betterwayhealth.com/
>
>   http://watershed.net/technos.htm
>
>   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/82053.html
>
>   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/81026.html
>
>   http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-29-2005-82605.asp
>
>   http://www.buyamag.com/wionizer.htm
>
>   http://www.jupiterionizers.com/catalog/index.php?
cPath=1&engine=adwords!1895&keyword=%28water+ionizers%29&match_type=
>
>   http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/W002.php3
>
>   http://www.naturesalternatives.com/water/
>
>   http://www.fernsnutrition.com/water_ionizers.html
>
>   http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/atonic1.htm
>
>   http://www.wellnessgoods.com/structured.asp
>
>   http://www.portalmarket.com/micro.html
>
>   http://www.promolife.com/products/alkal.htm
>
>   http://www.healthymagnets.com/cgi-
local/SoftCart.exe/alkazonewaterionizer.htm?E+scstore
>
>   http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/livingwater.html
>
>   http://www.aquatechnology.net/VITALIZER_PLUS.html
>
>   http://www.bluestonegroup.com/index.cfm
>
>   http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/IonizedWater.html
>
>   Diane
>
>
> quaixemen <straitguy@s...> wrote:
>
>   > However, this additive to water seems
> > to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to
>   > invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.
>
> Are there any machines that are in this price range.  I'd much
better be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,

   Ok is enlightened good enough?? Hope i did not pledge full;0)y ascended.

   (read that in the bible, do not get drunk too much so they take you seriously
and so you can pray)

   Have gotten close enough to where i guess it could be called level Ghostbuster
(not just the generator or electic appliances now, Eve=what we are), Silent
Night was far from silent.. (started a cpl a days before that) Like fireworks,
with no apparent guys or dolls lighting them.. Big and small bangs and better
and saver everyday// Yeah set the goal for this christmas, close enough  i am
sure!!


   Went to ask what it was and Ghostbusters came on Who you gonna call //
Ghos\tbusters // I AM afraid of no ghost..

   So as Christ is calling Baby remember my name ( I m gonna live forever, fly to
the sky like a flame, REMEMBER MY NAME///

   and i get now why the I AM affirmations have made such a difference,


   TURN YOUR RADIO ON, all the songs and really listen (was the red hot chili
pepe album got me there, not jsut a flash this time enlightened, or Bob Marley
walking like he talk it.. guess 10 year caribbean lazing payed off ,, soo relax)

   Love is here and it is here to stay

   I Love all of you




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Hi, Quaixemen,

   These are sites where I have found water machines.  You will have to
investigate each thoroughly, tho, because they are not all equal in what they
do, nor are the same machines the same prices at different sites.  I decided to
send all my sites, rather than the 2 I was interested in, since I really do not
know how to judge one from another and maybe you here know more about the "ORP"
issue than I do.  As you probably know, many consider this quack science,
anyway, and not to be believable science.  However, I have read a couple of
medical abstracts dealing with negative hydrogen water or the negative effects
of positive water.  I can send a couple of those if you need them.  I don't
think this is scientifically proven one way or the other.  I am just looking for
something to replace a pricey supplement I am on and this appears to work.  I
was serious about buying the one at ionlight or I think the technos one--it had
5 pH settings on it.  The last site is from a cancer support
  group and lists some brands that cancer patients use.

   http://www.ionlight.com/

   http://www.betterwayhealth.com/

   http://watershed.net/technos.htm

   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/82053.html

   http://www.toolsforwellness.com/81026.html

   http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/11-29-2005-82605.asp

   http://www.buyamag.com/wionizer.htm

  
http://www.jupiterionizers.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1&engine=adwords!1895&key\
word=%28water+ionizers%29&match_type=

   http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/W002.php3

   http://www.naturesalternatives.com/water/

   http://www.fernsnutrition.com/water_ionizers.html

   http://www.naturalsolutions1.com/atonic1.htm

   http://www.wellnessgoods.com/structured.asp

   http://www.portalmarket.com/micro.html

   http://www.promolife.com/products/alkal.htm

  
http://www.healthymagnets.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/alkazonewaterionizer.htm?E+\
scstore

   http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/livingwater.html

   http://www.aquatechnology.net/VITALIZER_PLUS.html

   http://www.bluestonegroup.com/index.cfm

   http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/IonizedWater.html

   Diane


quaixemen <straitguy@...> wrote:

   > However, this additive to water seems
> to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to
   > invest the $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.

Are there any machines that are in this price range.  I'd much better be able to
afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.




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Sorry to hear about your response to your cell phone, Diane. My husband has a
strong ES
reaction to cell phones up to 10 feet away or more (sharp headache). He avoids
cell
phones altogether; carries a cell phone in on trips in case of emergencies but
mostly
keeps it turned off. I am much less sensitive, so I sometimes use my cell phone
for text
messaging (arm's length away, and not for extended periods). I almost never use
my cell
phone close to my head. If my phone rings and I must answer it, I immediately
ask the
caller if I may return the call on another line. I hang up and call them back on
a regular
phone line. It's not the most convenient solution but it beats the headaches. In
my
experience cell phones are the worst thing you can do if you have ES. And if you
aren't
already electrically sensitive, cell phone use will get you there FAST.

~Cara


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, All,
>
>   Well, I spoke too soon in saying that if I were going to have ES, I think I
would have
gotten it after I had my car accident and was practically x-rayed to death.  (A
slight
exaggeration.)  I tried my new cell phone that my parents got me for Christmas
and got a
headache both times I used it.  (And I always posted here saying I did not have
ES!)  I am
going to try it once more using radio speakers so that I do not have to have it
close to my
head, but if that doesn't work, I am sending it back!  Do any of you know if
using it 3 feet
away is safe if you react to using it up close to your head???  I still will
only use it for
emergencies if that is ok.
>
>   Also, Quaixmen and Ian, I will have your info for you tomorrow.  I have been
gathering
the info today and have a bit more to do yet.
>
>   Hope all had a Merry Holiday and wish all a happy New Year!
>   Diane
>
> charles <charles@m...> wrote:
>   Sure, there are many roads that lead to Rome.
> Also, there are many people who do not have any ES symptoms at all.
> (Think of all those fools who do need their mobile phones so desperately)
>
> And, there are many people, who are sick.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Martin" <marc@u...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 17:24
> Subject: Re: [eSens] foot baths
>
>
>
> The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been
> several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other
> methods of detoxification.
>
> Marc
>
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Hi, All,

   Well, I spoke too soon in saying that if I were going to have ES, I think I
would have gotten it after I had my car accident and was practically x-rayed to
death.  (A slight exaggeration.)  I tried my new cell phone that my parents got
me for Christmas and got a headache both times I used it.  (And I always posted
here saying I did not have ES!)  I am going to try it once more using radio
speakers so that I do not have to have it close to my head, but if that doesn't
work, I am sending it back!  Do any of you know if using it 3 feet away is safe
if you react to using it up close to your head???  I still will only use it for
emergencies if that is ok.

   Also, Quaixmen and Ian, I will have your info for you tomorrow.  I have been
gathering the info today and have a bit more to do yet.

   Hope all had a Merry Holiday and wish all a happy New Year!
   Diane

charles <charles@...> wrote:
   Sure, there are many roads that lead to Rome.
Also, there are many people who do not have any ES symptoms at all.
(Think of all those fools who do need their mobile phones so desperately)

And, there are many people, who are sick.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 17:24
Subject: Re: [eSens] foot baths



The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been
several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other
methods of detoxification.

Marc





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Sure, there are many roads that lead to Rome.
Also, there are many people who do not have any ES symptoms at all.
(Think of all those fools who do need their mobile phones so desperately)

And, there are many people, who are sick.

Greetings,
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From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 17:24
Subject: Re: [eSens] foot baths



The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been
several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other
methods of detoxification.

Marc

> 7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet
> compared to with feet?

As I recall, the woman in my area who was testing one out visually
compared the results of the water by running it with and without feet
in it.  There was some discoloration in the water without feet, but
it was not nearly as much "muck", "foam", "gunk", and "specks" as
when it was run with feet.  As I recall, I think she had to add
some salt to the water before putting the device into it.

> It would be so useful to know what aspect of this "therapy" is responsible
> for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of
> ES, and alternative treatments too!

The foot bath is supposed to detoxify the body, and there have been
several people who have had their ES symptoms reduced via other
methods of detoxification.

Marc

Hello Emil,

see below:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Emil DeToffol" <lessemf@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:54
Subject: Re: [eSens] foot baths


>> Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby,
>> she had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and
>> outside on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM
> antennas.
>> This was quite different only two weeks ago.
>
> This is so remarkable! I am so curious to know more.
>
> Charles, if you can, do you know any more about the following:
>
> 1] what is the strength and character of the electromagnetic fields in the
> vicinity of the device while it is operating? What EMF is the bather
> exposed to?

I did not measure it yet, but it does not give any effect sofar.
It runs on 2 Amps and under 20 Volts DC.

> 2] have you tried the bath using distilled water? I see that local water
> mineral content will vary the color of the final bath, even if no feet are
> present. Color change using distilled water (and no feet) will be due only
> to what the electrodes are adding to the water.

Yes, we tried distilled water, but in order to have the right amps, some
salt must be added.
20-40 % of the found residues in the water come from the water; the rest
coms out of the body.


> 3] Do you add anything to the water under normal use?

Yes some seasalt in order to achieve the right Amps

> 4] do you know what the electrodes are made from? Which metal(s) are being
> introduced into the water (body)? How is this device any different from an
> electroplating bath?

The metal electrode plates are placed inside an array.

> 5] is the effect the same if the hands (or other body parts) are soaked?

We have not tried that yet.

> 6] is it possible that a current is flowing through the body (in one foot
> and out the other) while soaking? What happens if only 1 foot is soaked?

It is not the current that is working.
The positive and/or negative ions go into the body by osmosis and drag the
garbage out.


> 7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet
> compared to with feet? What ions, proteins, fats, sugars, etc are present?

Yes, there are reports about that.
Also, what metals and how much are coming out.

> It would be so useful to know what aspect of this "therapy" is responsible
> for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of
> ES, and alternative treatments too!

It is my opinion, that people who do have a *history* are succeptible for
becoming electrosensitive.
This *history* has a lot to do with chemicals, pollution, poisons, heavy
metals, etc which are stored inside our body, and which weaken our
immunesystem.
The book *Amalagam Illness* by Andrew Hall Cutler reads like a horror story.

Most stuff we use today are stuffed with pollutants (read the books by Hulda
Clark).
Like most deodorants contain a lot of aluminium.
Many years ago, doctors wanted to cut the eye out of my neighbour, becaus
she had a heavy infection on her eye.
When she started to stop using a certain eye make-up, the infection went
away.
Everything we eat and drink contains pollutants.
Most remain layered in the body.

I think, that this foot spa may help to get them out.
But, that is my opinion.
The effects are very promising.
Although it is not cheap.
But, being healthy costs a lot nowadays.

We have found that a liver cleansing according to the method of Hulda Clark
(takes 24 hours) helps people also a lot, and when they have ejected the
gallstones that way, they feel better, and also their electrosensibility
level is somewhat lessened.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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>
> Emil DeToffol
> Less EMF Inc.
> tel: +1-518-432-1550
> fax: +1-309-422-4355
>

Guess what I got for Christmas ?

An EMF meter.  Ahahaha.  True.  Well a week earlier.  But I'm really
happy with that shipment.

jean.

> Typically, when I went shopping today with my wife in a village nearby,
> she had no trouble in the supermarket, inside and near the freezers, and
> outside on the parking lot in front of the churchtower, full of GSM
antennas.
> This was quite different only two weeks ago.

This is so remarkable! I am so curious to know more.

Charles, if you can, do you know any more about the following:

1] what is the strength and character of the electromagnetic fields in the
vicinity of the device while it is operating? What EMF is the bather
exposed to?

2] have you tried the bath using distilled water? I see that local water
mineral content will vary the color of the final bath, even if no feet are
present. Color change using distilled water (and no feet) will be due only
to what the electrodes are adding to the water.

3] Do you add anything to the water under normal use?

4] do you know what the electrodes are made from? Which metal(s) are being
introduced into the water (body)? How is this device any different from an
electroplating bath?

5] is the effect the same if the hands (or other body parts) are soaked?

6] is it possible that a current is flowing through the body (in one foot
and out the other) while soaking? What happens if only 1 foot is soaked?

7] has anyone analysed the water to compare the final bath without feet
compared to with feet? What ions, proteins, fats, sugars, etc are present?


It would be so useful to know what aspect of this "therapy" is responsible
for the benefit. It could help us greatly to understand possible causes of
ES, and alternative treatments too!


Emil DeToffol
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fax: +1-309-422-4355

Merry Xmas and happy new year to the group.

Rowan C

Hi, Quaixemen (and Ian),

   I saw two machines--one brand had an $800 and $1300 model (neither of these
make alot of water/batch.  I think the costlier one splits a gallon of water at
a time--ie outputs half a gallon of negative ion water).  I forget the cost of
the other brand of machine, but it was higher priced, but also had more settings
on it, so  that you could control the alkalinity/acidity of the water.  I do not
have that info handy right now and have visitors for Christmas right now, so
don't have time  to find it.  After the holidays I will send it, tho.  Also,
Ian, I will send you the info you asked for, too, re zonulin tight junction
damage after Christmas.  I just got swamped with holiday stuff and have only
been keeping up with email by reading posts, but not answering any mail.  But I
didn't want you to think I was ignoring your questions.

   Happy Holidays,
   Diane

quaixemen <straitguy@...> wrote:
   > > I am definitely going to invest the
> > $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.

Are there any machines that are in this price range.  I'd much better
be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.

Quai Xemen




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>
> >
> >   Marc, you told me to tell you if I tried the negative ion water
> and it
> > helped.  This is not what I originally wrote you about--I was
> asking about a
> > negative hydrogen ion water machine.  However, this additive to
> water seems
> > to be helping so much that now I am definitely going to invest the
> > $1000-$1500 to try the actual machine.

Are there any machines that are in this price range.  I'd much better
be able to afford such a machine than the one for 2600 dollars.

Quai Xemen




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