I detect a lack of interest on the ideas of dowsing. Nevermind.
Just as long as we are on the same side of trying to get to the bottom
of electrosensitivity, which I hope we are. Good idea building
shielded
rooms. Must log off, can't use computer except in bursts.

Rowan.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
>
> Charles,
> I agree that "geopathic radiations" can not be measured by EMF
meters,
but I
> think that dowsers won't support measurements made just by
magnetometers.
..
> I mean, they believe there is much more to it than magnetic
abberations..
.
> ("Hartman grid", "Carry grid", etc. or whatever they call it don't
> correspond to any objectively measurable magnetic fields.)
> Anyway, Norman might like to check the sites dedicated to dowsing,
but I
> (the same as you, I believe?) won't recomend that mess of
information to
> somebody non experianced in separating the facts from fiction...
>
> Drasko

Hi David,

Visualizing or sensing the flow of prana then directing it with
intention while performing breathwork is what I've done.  I don't know
about more sophisticated methods, what I learned is fairly
straightforward.  I've uploaded a PDF called "Science of Breath" by
Yogi Ramacharaka which covers a lot of information on this topic in an
uncomplicated way.

Beau
--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "David Fancy" <davidfancy@h...> wrote:
> Hi Beau
>
> I generally do this type of work
> through visualization of prana
> flowing up the chakras through the
> spine, and then cascading down through
> the front of the body.
>
> Are there more sophisticated ways of
> going about thts?
>
> David
>
>
> PS. For the past month I've been
> doing about 45 mins of yoga, chi gung
> and tai chi walkin gin the am and it has
> helped my EHS significantly.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...> wrote:
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > > > In the article there are also some suggestions on restoring
the energy
> > > > and hence the golden egg shield.
> > >
> > > One of the suggested solutions is "transforming sexual energy".
> > > Dare I ask what this means, and has anyone tried this with
> > > good results?
> > >
> > > Marc
> >
> > Hey Marc,
> >
> > From what I saw mentioned in the article about transforming sexual
> > energy, I think they're referring to the practice of translating the
> > energy flowing through and stored in the Svadhishthana chakra (the
> > next major chakra above the Muladhara or 'root' chakra) and the sexual
> > organs into a 'higher' form so it can be re-routing into other areas,
> > such as superenergizing the Manipura (solar plexus) chakra for other
> > purposes.  This is a common practice for yogis to do with pranayama
> > and I've found some general benefits after going about it carefully.
> >
> > Beau

Hi, Drasko!

Good to hear from you, I've been wondering how you've been.  I'm not
frequently reading the group recently, so pardon the delay.  Yeah, I'm
first going to try getting Dr. Smith's lecture notes, then Dr. Seba's.

Beau

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@c...> wrote:
> Hi, Beau!
> Thanks for posting this interesting info about Symposium!
> Would anyone of us be able to attend it?? I am so curious to see the
> papers... Are you going to contact them with a request for papers?
>
> I would be happy to learn something new on the issue, as I am lacking
> inspiration for my future projects... It is partially due to too
little time
> available to me for contemplations, but partially due to the fact I
have no
> guess how to make any further step towards understanding of this
weird ES
> phenomenon... The recently posted Ed's artice on Tao Healing and ES was
> quite refreshing and inspiring, it is one of the best things I read,
but I
> am still searching for something that opens any possibilty for exact and
> easy experimentation...
>
> Drasko
>
>
> >>They may be willing to share their papers, so I wanted to pass this
> info along.
>
> -Beau

Charles,
I agree that "geopathic radiations" can not be measured by EMF meters, but I
think that dowsers won't support measurements made just by magnetometers...
I mean, they believe there is much more to it than magnetic abberations...
("Hartman grid", "Carry grid", etc. or whatever they call it don't
correspond to any objectively measurable magnetic fields.)
Anyway, Norman might like to check the sites dedicated to dowsing, but I
(the same as you, I believe?) won't recomend that mess of information to
somebody non experianced in separating the facts from fiction...

Drasko

Hello Charles,

Possibly I am not familiar with your term earth rays. I am interested
in the magnetic field description, and shall test with a
geomagnetometer.
Alf Riggs site describes how radio waves travel along underground
streams, www.alfredriggs.com , and www.royriggs.co.uk , and mentions
in one place this 1400 Mhz radiation. A polish site
http://www.matela.iig.pl/en_art_dowsing_in_pl.html refers to some
science done some time ago but not referenced, about 1420 MHz
radiation
from some stream by 'Szul'. I notice that 1420 MHz radiation is
related to
ionized water, and they mention ionisation, so I tend to wonder
what they are referring to. This may be related to
cancer outbreaks, as might ionising radiation. I see you have some
pretty fancy equipment there, I thought you may spotted something.
Maybe they did have some vodka as well to juice themselves along.

Just interested.

Also there is a paper now showing brain waves changing over geopathic
sites:

http://intl.ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abs_free.jsp?arNumber=954905

Regards, Rowan Campbell

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@m...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> that is rubbish.
> Earth beams cannot be measured with a spectrum analyser, because
those
are
> static magnetic fields.
> There is no frequency involved; the frequency is zero.
>
> They can only be measured with a magnetometer, or a scintillator
counter,
> which is a very precise radio activity meter, and rather expensive.
>
> Those Polish researchers have drunk too much wodka.
> There are no beams coming from the earth with 1400 MHz, or it must
be a
> secret station, sending out.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
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Can anyone tell me if this is a normal TV aerial.  Thanks.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello all,

I joined because I'm concerned about 2 families I know. One lives right
near one of those major electrical towers. This young couple with a new
baby is receptive to any and all info on the potential dangers of it.

The other couple may not apply, because I'm not sure if this falls
within this realm. I need to ask a very stupid question first: do radio
towers have the same emmisions as electrical or others noted here? If
so, then I am very concerned as my brother and his family live in the
middle of several huge radio towers. And I mean in the middle. They
have an up close and personal light show each night and when it is
windy it sounds like jet fighters or a tornado is coming at them.

So, I am here to research what types of protection there is available.
Thanks.

anne

As I've wrote the list before I have a problem with high EMF
that the TriField meter exposed, which at times runs through
my home in high surges, these fluctuate even when my electrics
are switched off at the main.   I traced the source of this out to
the walkway about 15' from my lounge.  The reading is so high
the needle goes way off the top before I even get to it, and I
cannot take a true reading over the walkway, it's so high.

It appears to be all the way along the front of my home where
people walk with the their families, many with pushchairs that
have babies and young children in.

Is this normal or is it a hazard?

Thanks again Charles for your reply.

Maureen



----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <charles@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF


> Hello Maureen,
>
> no, the readings should be in the region of 20-40 nT.
> If you read more, other stray currents are running there.
>
> With a Trifield, like any other 1 D meter, the X-, Y- and Z-axis should be
> measured.
> Those values must be quadrupled, added together, and from this sum, the
root
> must be drawn, in order to obtain the real value.
> With a 3D Tesla meter, you just point and read the value.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 20:16
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF
>
>
> > Hi Charles:  If the powerlines underground are shielded would you
> > still get a very high EMF reading on your TriField over where they
> > are beneath the walkway?  If so this means everyone taking a daily
> > walk is endangering their health without any knowledge of it.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "charles" <charles@...>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF
> >
> >
> > > Hello Konstantin,
> > >
> > > if the powerlines are underground, there is no danger, because they
have
> > to
> > > be shielded.
> > >
> > > If the lines are hanging in ther air, that is something else.
> > > If the cables are intertwined, there is less magnetic fields.
> > > Otherwise I would say 50 meters distance at least.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Konstantin Freger" <kfreger@...>
> > > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 19:03
> > > Subject: [eSens] EMF
> > >
> > >
> > > > Charles,
> > > >
> > > > I have a question for you and hope you can help. I am
> > > > looking for a house in the US and find a lot of houses
> > > > are set not too far from the street and powerlines
> > > > that run on the street are kind of close. These are
> > > > not busy streets and powerlines are just street
> > > > powerlines and probably do not carry too much voltage.
> > > > How far should a non-ES person sleep from those.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
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Hello Maureen,

no, the readings should be in the region of 20-40 nT.
If you read more, other stray currents are running there.

With a Trifield, like any other 1 D meter, the X-, Y- and Z-axis should be
measured.
Those values must be quadrupled, added together, and from this sum, the root
must be drawn, in order to obtain the real value.
With a 3D Tesla meter, you just point and read the value.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 20:16
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF


> Hi Charles:  If the powerlines underground are shielded would you
> still get a very high EMF reading on your TriField over where they
> are beneath the walkway?  If so this means everyone taking a daily
> walk is endangering their health without any knowledge of it.
>
> Maureen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles" <charles@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF
>
>
> > Hello Konstantin,
> >
> > if the powerlines are underground, there is no danger, because they have
> to
> > be shielded.
> >
> > If the lines are hanging in ther air, that is something else.
> > If the cables are intertwined, there is less magnetic fields.
> > Otherwise I would say 50 meters distance at least.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Konstantin Freger" <kfreger@...>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 19:03
> > Subject: [eSens] EMF
> >
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > I have a question for you and hope you can help. I am
> > > looking for a house in the US and find a lot of houses
> > > are set not too far from the street and powerlines
> > > that run on the street are kind of close. These are
> > > not busy streets and powerlines are just street
> > > powerlines and probably do not carry too much voltage.
> > > How far should a non-ES person sleep from those.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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Hi Charles:  If the powerlines underground are shielded would you
still get a very high EMF reading on your TriField over where they
are beneath the walkway?  If so this means everyone taking a daily
walk is endangering their health without any knowledge of it.

Maureen

----- Original Message -----
From: "charles" <charles@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF


> Hello Konstantin,
>
> if the powerlines are underground, there is no danger, because they have
to
> be shielded.
>
> If the lines are hanging in ther air, that is something else.
> If the cables are intertwined, there is less magnetic fields.
> Otherwise I would say 50 meters distance at least.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konstantin Freger" <kfreger@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 19:03
> Subject: [eSens] EMF
>
>
> > Charles,
> >
> > I have a question for you and hope you can help. I am
> > looking for a house in the US and find a lot of houses
> > are set not too far from the street and powerlines
> > that run on the street are kind of close. These are
> > not busy streets and powerlines are just street
> > powerlines and probably do not carry too much voltage.
> > How far should a non-ES person sleep from those.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site
> > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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>

Hello,

that is rubbish.
Earth beams cannot be measured with a spectrum analyser, because those are
static magnetic fields.
There is no frequency involved; the frequency is zero.

They can only be measured with a magnetometer, or a scintillator counter,
which is a very precise radio activity meter, and rather expensive.

Those Polish researchers have drunk too much wodka.
There are no beams coming from the earth with 1400 MHz, or it must be a
secret station, sending out.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "rowsteroz" <rowanc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 18:50
Subject: [eSens] Re: reply to Drasko re. new house problems


> Hello Charles et al, greetings to all,
>
> > If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
> a higher floor, you may
> > have found an earth beam.
>
> I am very interested in geopathic stress and have been
> trying to find info on your 'earth beams'. I have seen
> something on a Polish website concerning it. I have
> put a submission into the government to check a
> strong geopathic stress site (4 streams, 2 intersecting,
> cancer, CFS and ES). The government may be
> bringing out a spectrum analyser, they indicated that
> they probably would shortly. I would be very grateful
> if you could possibly provide any more information
> pn these earth beams. I see that the Polish researchers
> believe that beams of 1400 MHz come up from the
> ground at some of these underground streams.
> Additionally I am wondering whether maybe gamma
> rays or other cosmic particles may be involved. It
> seems that these underground streams may carry a lot
> of the man made currents. If so this would expose the
> sleeper over the top to the same fields as if he or she
> were living under a phone tower.Someone I know has
> offered a geomagnetometer.
>
> I would be very interested if you could provide any
> more info here, as the government should be calling
> soon and it would be good to get something official
> done.
>
> Thanks,
> Rowan Campbell
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles"
> <charles@m...> wrote:
> > Hello Drasko,
> >
> > Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be
> measured.
> >
> > First with a compass.
> > Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
> > Now slowly move in a straight line.
> > If there are spots, where the compass needle is
> going astray, you may have a
> > geopathic spot.
> >
> > Secondly, it is to be measured with a
> magnetometer.
> > There are simple ones.
> > They measure the difference to the earth magnetic
> field, which is about
> > 45.000 nT.
> > There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
> > And there are which work 3D.
> >
> > And thirdly, one can measure with a
> *scintillationscounter*, which is a very
> > sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.
> >
> > PS. earth beams go straight up.
> > So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or
> raise your instrument.
> > If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have
> found something
> > metallic under the floos or soil.
> >
> > If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
> a higher floor, you may
> > have found an earth beam.
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
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Hello Konstantin,

if the powerlines are underground, there is no danger, because they have to
be shielded.

If the lines are hanging in ther air, that is something else.
If the cables are intertwined, there is less magnetic fields.
Otherwise I would say 50 meters distance at least.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Konstantin Freger" <kfreger@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 19:03
Subject: [eSens] EMF


> Charles,
>
> I have a question for you and hope you can help. I am
> looking for a house in the US and find a lot of houses
> are set not too far from the street and powerlines
> that run on the street are kind of close. These are
> not busy streets and powerlines are just street
> powerlines and probably do not carry too much voltage.
> How far should a non-ES person sleep from those.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site
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>
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Charles,

I have a question for you and hope you can help. I am
looking for a house in the US and find a lot of houses
are set not too far from the street and powerlines
that run on the street are kind of close. These are
not busy streets and powerlines are just street
powerlines and probably do not carry too much voltage.
How far should a non-ES person sleep from those.

Thanks



__________________________________
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Hello Charles et al, greetings to all,

> If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
a higher floor, you may
> have found an earth beam.

I am very interested in geopathic stress and have been
trying to find info on your 'earth beams'. I have seen
something on a Polish website concerning it. I have
put a submission into the government to check a
strong geopathic stress site (4 streams, 2 intersecting,
cancer, CFS and ES). The government may be
bringing out a spectrum analyser, they indicated that
they probably would shortly. I would be very grateful
if you could possibly provide any more information
pn these earth beams. I see that the Polish researchers
believe that beams of 1400 MHz come up from the
ground at some of these underground streams.
Additionally I am wondering whether maybe gamma
rays or other cosmic particles may be involved. It
seems that these underground streams may carry a lot
of the man made currents. If so this would expose the
sleeper over the top to the same fields as if he or she
were living under a phone tower.Someone I know has
offered a geomagnetometer.

I would be very interested if you could provide any
more info here, as the government should be calling
soon and it would be good to get something official
done.

Thanks,
Rowan Campbell

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles"
<charles@m...> wrote:
> Hello Drasko,
>
> Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be
measured.
>
> First with a compass.
> Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
> Now slowly move in a straight line.
> If there are spots, where the compass needle is
going astray, you may have a
> geopathic spot.
>
> Secondly, it is to be measured with a
magnetometer.
> There are simple ones.
> They measure the difference to the earth magnetic
field, which is about
> 45.000 nT.
> There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
> And there are which work 3D.
>
> And thirdly, one can measure with a
*scintillationscounter*, which is a very
> sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.
>
> PS. earth beams go straight up.
> So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or
raise your instrument.
> If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have
found something
> metallic under the floos or soil.
>
> If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to
a higher floor, you may
> have found an earth beam.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>

> Yes, rather than being "electrically sensitive", I think some of us here are
> "energy sensitive", which is more broad.

I also feel so...

Flavio

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I learnt it from the following books,
> >
> > The Tao of health, logevity and Sex by Daniel Reid
>
> Thanks,
>
> I actually own the above book, but hadn't gotten around
> to reading it!  I guess I'll take another look at it...


It is one of the finest books I have ever read

Flavio

Hello Drasko,

Regarding geopathic radiations, they are to be measured.

First with a compass.
Hold it straight (aligned) and adjusted to the north.
Now slowly move in a straight line.
If there are spots, where the compass needle is going astray, you may have a
geopathic spot.

Secondly, it is to be measured with a magnetometer.
There are simple ones.
They measure the difference to the earth magnetic field, which is about
45.000 nT.
There are types with a measuring sonde on a cable.
And there are which work 3D.

And thirdly, one can measure with a *scintillationscounter*, which is a very
sensitive radioactivity meter, and very expensive.

PS. earth beams go straight up.
So, if you measure something, it is good to lower or raise your instrument.
If the signal encreases with lowering, than you have found something
metallic under the floos or soil.

If the signal remains strong, even going up, even to a higher floor, you may
have found an earth beam.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <pecina@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 21:39
Subject: Re: [eSens] reply to Drasko re. new house problems


> >      What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs?
>
> Well, I have them all... The features of the specially shielded room where
I
> sleep are (hard to imagine but true!):
>
> Magnetic (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 mG
> Electric (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 V/m
> RF/MW (up to 3 GHz) < 0.001 microW/m2
>
> = (practically) no EMFs worth measuring! Practically impossible to make it
> much better in real living conditions!
>
> Regarding geopathic radiations, I have been following the issue for some
20
> years and I am still at the following position:
> Although I am very ready to believe there is such thing, having seen very
> many dowsers, and knowing them, I have offered a reward (applicable here
in
> Belgrade): If a dowser finds his reliable colleague and they make
> (naturally - independently) the readings that correspond, I would pay them
> three times as usual price (for home readings)!!
> Up to now I did have several such trials, but unsuccessful. The rest
(most)
> of them rejected the proposal right away. The excuses were something like
"I
> don't know anybody as good as me" or "You should believe in my ability
> without testing"...
>
> Drasko
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>      What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs?

Well, I have them all... The features of the specially shielded room where I
sleep are (hard to imagine but true!):

Magnetic (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 mG
Electric (ELF up to kHz range) < 0.1 V/m
RF/MW (up to 3 GHz) < 0.001 microW/m2

= (practically) no EMFs worth measuring! Practically impossible to make it
much better in real living conditions!

Regarding geopathic radiations, I have been following the issue for some 20
years and I am still at the following position:
Although I am very ready to believe there is such thing, having seen very
many dowsers, and knowing them, I have offered a reward (applicable here in
Belgrade): If a dowser finds his reliable colleague and they make
(naturally - independently) the readings that correspond, I would pay them
three times as usual price (for home readings)!!
Up to now I did have several such trials, but unsuccessful. The rest (most)
of them rejected the proposal right away. The excuses were something like "I
don't know anybody as good as me" or "You should believe in my ability
without testing"...

Drasko

Drasko wrote:
> After my failure to achieve an active good feeling in a (practicaly) total
> absence of EMFs (at my new low EMF home), while having such good experiances
> at some places with significant EMF pollution, I am inclined to believe that
> EMFs are just a part of what we do sense. Instead of completing the puzzle, I
> am at the beginnning...
>
Shivani replies:
      What kind of meter were you using to measure EMFs?   If all you used was
a guass meter, you were only able to measure your magnetic fields.   You need
to use a good, sensitive (not a Trifield) electric field meter to know
whether you have electric fields.   Electric fields exist in many places that
magnetic fields do not.   If you have high-frequency electrical polllution
riding on
the 60 Hz from your utility company, or entering the home via water pipes,
phone lines, etc., you may have electrical fields with these harmful frequencies
radiating from your walls, furniture, etc.
      Such amaxing health improvements occur when this electrical pollution is
remediated or avoided, that it currently appears to be the #1 EMR culprit.
(Living near transmission lines or a cell tower are also problematic, of
course.)
      Do you have a good electric field meter?
      Another factor in choosing a home location, and the location of one's
bed within the home, is geopathic energies.   I have experienced the same kind
of symptoms from sleeping in geopathic areas as from harmful electrical
frequencies.
      Geopathy is well-researched.   However, like the health dangers of EMR,
the public remains largely unaware of it.
      I suggest you check your new house for this, as well.

      Regards,
      Shivani



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Drasko Cvijovic wrote:
> After my failure to achieve an active good feeling in a (practicaly) total
absence of
>EMFs (at my new low EMF home), while having such good experiances at some
places with
  >significant EMF pollution, I am inclined to believe that EMFs are just a part
of what
  >we do sense.

Yes, rather than being "electrically sensitive", I think some of us here are
"energy sensitive", which is more broad.  For example, I visited Assisi Italy
several years ago, and I felt really good visiting certain churches, and the
churches were built where they were due to the good energy present there.

Marc

After my failure to achieve an active good feeling in a (practicaly) total
absence of EMFs (at my new low EMF home), while having such good experiances at
some places with significant EMF pollution, I am inclined to believe that EMFs
are just a part of what we do sense. Instead of completing the puzzle, I am at
the beginnning...

The best match to my current standpoint, besides the previously mentioned Tao
Healing text, is the book about sacred sites...
The author explains that different sites have different effects to various
persons, but generally there are numerous factors that contribute... I find his
attempt very similar to ours. We seek to neutralize the affliction while he
searches for reasons of good feeling. He is an inspired researcher and
collector, a kind of like Marc is!
See more at http://www.sacredsites.com/book/chapter2/02_Categories_Space.html

Drasko


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Can anyone tell me what these TV Aerials are giving off, making
my (ES) really bad in my home

> I learnt it from the following books,
>
> The Tao of health, logevity and Sex by Daniel Reid

Thanks,

I actually own the above book, but hadn't gotten around
to reading it!  I guess I'll take another look at it...

Marc

Hi Mark,

I have used this sexual transmutation with amazing results, it is one
of the strongest therapies I have ever tried, really...

I learnt it from the following books,

The Tao of health, logevity and Sex by Daniel Reid

and The Tao of Love and Sex by Jolan Chang

Also, sexual transmutation is used for magical ritual by the wiccan
crowd though I have not dwell into that.

Flavio

Hi Hillel,

Could you clarify trigger points??

Light

Hillel Wahrman <whillel@...> wrote:

Hi everybody,

Besides ES I also suffer from trigger poitns in my neck and shoulders and
arms. I wonder if any of you have this problems as well, do you think its
related to ES? If so, what did you do about it?

HIllel




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> you may try your Bioprotect card.

Thanks, I will be experimenting with various things to make this camera more
tolerable.  One problem with a lot of the protective items is that
I develop problematic symptoms to the these as well, so that sometimes
the "cure is worse than the disease".

Some products also market themselves as being able to permanently
transmute negative energies in an object, so that I would not need
to take them with me, but simply give the camera an initial treatment
before I use it. I think that things like purple plates, quantum products,
and springlife polarizers all advertise themselves as producing a
permanent, positive effect on an item after a certain amount of
initial exposure.  So I will try that as well -- I doubt it will
be a complete solution, but every little bit helps.

Marc

Hello Marc,

you may try your Bioprotect card.

Greetings,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 17:05
Subject: [eSens] New Digital Camera


> Hi all,
>
> I just bought a new digital camera, and boy does this thing bother my
electrical sensitivity!  I
> previously had a 2 megapixel camera with a 1.5" LCD screen (Canon A40),
and this never bothered me
> at all.  This new one is a 6.3 megapixel camera with a 2.5" LCD screen
(Fujifilm F10), and having
> this turned on seems as bad as using a cellphone!
>
> Unfortunately, my portable EMF protection solution (the springlife
polarizers) has never been very
> good with LCD screens, laptops, or cellphones, so I guess I'll need to
experiment around with some
> other stuff.  The Quantum Products have been good for this sort of stuff,
but their portable
> solution doesn't work for me.
>
> Fortunately my daily exposure to a digital camera is low, and I can also
easily turn it off when
> it's not needed (and it doesn't bother me when it's turned off).  Going
back to the old camera is
> not an option, because this new camera takes much nicer photos!
>
> I also wonder if the battery has anything to do with it?  This new camera
uses Lithium-Ion
> batteries, while the old one used Metal Nickel Hydride....
>
> Marc
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hi all,

I just bought a new digital camera, and boy does this thing bother my electrical
sensitivity!  I
previously had a 2 megapixel camera with a 1.5" LCD screen (Canon A40), and this
never bothered me
at all.  This new one is a 6.3 megapixel camera with a 2.5" LCD screen (Fujifilm
F10), and having
this turned on seems as bad as using a cellphone!

Unfortunately, my portable EMF protection solution (the springlife polarizers)
has never been very
good with LCD screens, laptops, or cellphones, so I guess I'll need to
experiment around with some
other stuff.  The Quantum Products have been good for this sort of stuff, but
their portable
solution doesn't work for me.

Fortunately my daily exposure to a digital camera is low, and I can also easily
turn it off when
it's not needed (and it doesn't bother me when it's turned off).  Going back to
the old camera is
not an option, because this new camera takes much nicer photos!

I also wonder if the battery has anything to do with it?  This new camera uses
Lithium-Ion
batteries, while the old one used Metal Nickel Hydride....

Marc

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone in the UK knows of places which are largely free of EF
and MW and could be rented for a longish period reasonably cheaply.  The sort of
thing we`d be thinking of would be maybe somewhere in the wilds of Wales, the
West Country or the Pennines/Lake District, where electricity is not connected
or could be turned off and you could survive on gas etc.  Most holiday cottages
have too many mod cons!

Ian and Sue


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Hello,


I did not have the connection from plastics to MCS but this term make
the search easy.




Randolf

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...> wrote:
> Hi Randolf,
>
> Searching with the terms "plastic" and ("chemical sensitivity" or
> "MCS") on Google will bring a lot of info up for you.  Soft plastics
> tend to give off vapor more easily, as do heated plastics.  Newer
> plastic also has an excess of vapor to give off with all the
> volatile materials used in making it.  Avoid drinking liquids that
> have been stored in plastic since Most MCS folk choose materials
> that have been 'outgassed' which simply means the stuff has been
> heated and then aired out for a lengthy period so that the bulk of
> volatile elements are removed before use.
>
> A small, inexpensive book that covers pertinent topics is "Chemical
> Sensitivity" by Sherry Rogers, MD.  It runs for $3.95US.  She has
also
> written "Tired or Toxic?"  You can peruse other titles and info
listed
> by the American Environmental Health Foundation at www.aehf.com.  I
> think most of the books on this site are available through Amazon,
> too.  Here's a tinyURL to the Chemical Sensitivity section:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/a8sqw
>
> From Dr. Mercola's site, here are a couple of links:
>
> http://www.mercola.com/2004/apr/3/chemical_sensitivities.htm
> http://www.mercola.com/2003/jun/21/chemicals_children.htm
>
> -Beau
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "randolf_everywhere" <walkingthe@a...>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > thanks for the information.
> >
> > But I am also interested in reading about this topics. Maybe also
> books.
> > Any tip?
> >
> >
> > Randolf Weinand
> >
> > Randolf--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Randolf,
> > >
> > > Another angle to consider is the vapor pressure of the plastics
in
> > > your vicinity.  The local air pressure, humidity, temperature,
> around
> > > plastic, as well as stimulation by sunlight, affect how much
> vapor a
> > > plastic gives off.  If you're chemically sensitive, which many
ES
> folk
> > > also are, plastics are highly likely to be incitants for you.
And
> > > typically the symptoms are very similar or even identical to
what
> you
> > > get when you're exposed to EM field frequencies you're sensitive
> to.
> > >
> > > -Beau
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "randolf_everywhere"
> > <walkingthe@a...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > I have perceived that roomclimate and plastics are related to
> stress
> > > for me.
> > > > Is there free information available about this topics?
> > > >
> > > > Randolf