>Some people can't stand the flickering sunlight through the trees.


I've had a lot of problems with that, while on the road. Fortunately, I wasn't
driving. I had vertigo, nausea and developed an ocular migraine, and felt
terrible.

My son has had the same thing happen to him, twice in the past month. He was on
his way to work, both times. Needless to say, he didn't get any work done those
days.

Donnie

I can relate Josie, so sorry. When you mention you feel your nervous system is
shorting out, the best way I can describe that is I feel like I'm literally
melting inside. I feel "hollow".? Can you relate?
Amy


I went to the doc's office.? (I am housebound with MCS, Lyme Disease and who
knows what else)? I was shut in a small mud-brown examining room with a ceiling
covered with fluorescent lights for 45 mins.? I thought I was going to die.? My
bp was 212/120, and I felt as if my nervous system was shorting out.?It was my
first visit, and I did not want to
"sound crazy"?so I tried to stick it out.? Josie







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Oh yes! I'd forgotten this bothers me greatly too. I cannot stand the ceiling
light and the fan on at the same time. Some people can't stand the flickering
sunlight through the trees. That is why sometimes this affliction reminds me of
epilepsy.
Amy (the other Amy) ;)

I can't stand any flicker with lights -- so even if it's a regular light, with a
ceiling fan making the light seem like it's flickering, it bothers me.




-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Green <amygreen53@...>
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] Fluorescent Lighting






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I get dizzy and wobbly, can't think straight and it bothers my vision.  If I
stay too long, I get really hot and can feel quite faint.  However, it varies
with the day -- some days I manage, some days I can't take it at all. 
Strangely, it varies with the time of day.  I can manage fluorescent lights
pretty well in the evening, but not during the day.  That makes no sense to me. 
Stores like Target and WalMart are the worst -- grocery stores too.

I can't stand any flicker with lights -- so even if it's a regular light, with a
ceiling fan making the light seem like it's flickering, it bothers me.

Amy




________________________________
From: PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@...>
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 5:33:45 PM
Subject: [eSens] Fluorescent Lighting

  I would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those sensitive to
it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?  Josie




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Paint the walls with carbon paint
On 31-May-09, at 8:14 AM, pete wrote:

>
>
> Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router
> that I can pick up on in my house.
>
> I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my
> house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments?
>
> Sorry if this has been covered..
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>
>



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   I went to the doc's office.  (I am housebound with MCS, Lyme Disease and who
knows what else)  I was shut in a small mud-brown examining room with a ceiling
covered with fluorescent lights for 45 mins.  I thought I was going to die.  My
bp was 212/120, and I felt as if my nervous system was shorting out. It was my
first visit, and I did not want to
"sound crazy" so I tried to stick it out.  Josie




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I also think that they are very dangerous to use with people like us that cannot
handle the smallest amount of toxins. Loni

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: mold
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 10:42 AM








> There are all types of ozonators & they have to be very strong to kill
> the mold. I would not rely on that. Tried it, didn't work for me. Loni

Yes, and the stong ozone generators are not what I use for reducing
pet odors. For continuous use, I use the weakest of the weak.

Also, if you try various types of ozone generators, you may notice
that the ozone smell coming from them are slightly different.
Unfortunately the ones that have the best smell have their
shortcomings in other areas -- Air-Zone models are too noisy,
and Aranizer models tend to self-destruct in about a year. :-(

Marc


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> There are all types of ozonators & they have to be very strong to kill
> the mold. I would not rely on that. Tried it, didn't work for me. Loni

Yes, and the stong ozone generators are not what I use for reducing
pet odors.  For continuous use, I use the weakest of the weak.

Also, if you try various types of ozone generators, you may notice
that the ozone smell coming from them are slightly different.
Unfortunately the ones that have the best smell have their
shortcomings in other areas -- Air-Zone models are too noisy,
and Aranizer models tend to self-destruct in about a year.  :-(

Marc

There are all types of ozonators & they have to be very strong to kill the mold.
I would not rely on that. Tried it, didn't work for me. Loni

--- On Sat, 5/30/09, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: mold
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 10:38 PM








> ozone will kill mold, but ozone is also toxic to us and plants and
> pets. I hope that you are using the ozone when you are not home and
> air out your home for a few days before you return.

Well, be careful about making that assertion, since that is an area
of much controversy. Ozone is present in fresh outdoor air, so much so
that I can smell it when I go outside. The levels of ozone I keep
inside my house are so low that I can only really smell it when I
walk by an ozone generator. At those levels, it's perfectly fine,
and it keeps the smells from the pets away (which is why I'm using it
in the first place).

But I agree that one should keep the ozone generators away from where
pets may hang out, as they are more sensititive.

Marc


















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I've experimented with two Lights of America LED bulbs, 1.5W and 3.5 W.
I was pleasantly surprised not to detect any noise on an AM radio.
The harmonic buzz at ELF magnetic fields was bad, so I wouldn't want
these near my head (or sleep near a wire feeding these).  The lights
are not very bright, and the color spectrum of LEDs currently is very
artificial.  I suspect there could be subliminal flicker in some too.

I'm looking at the 3.5 W (model 2004LEDDL) now and it says "Not for use with
dimmer circuit,"
which is rather suspicious.

LED bulbs are very promising, but read this review before buying:
http://www.amazon.com/review/RQWX3NZN1RJN4/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Bill

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:10 AM, pete <peter.needham@...> wrote:

>
>
> So are the LED lights good for electrosensitivity then? - I had just
> found out about them from an electrician friend of mine last week!
>
> I have steadfastly refused to go Fleuro..
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>
>
> enviroky wrote:
> > Hi Josie,
> > I know quite a few people who are sensitive to fluorescent lighting. The
> new compact fluorescents are extremely bad for three reasons - 1)the
> mercury: they need to be disposed of as hazardous waste 2)they give off high
> electromagnetic radiation 3)they also give off UV radiation. The Canadian
> government is studying the last two. Unfortunately, they are still working
> towards banning incandescent bulbs by 2012. The alternative is LED, which
> are getting cheaper and more user friendly (a better light for reading).
> > In the meantime, stay away from those places that have a high quantity of
> fluorescent lighting. If you are sensitive to it, listen to your body! If
> you don't listen, it will only weaken your immune system over time. That
> said, there are ways to strenthen your immune system - cleanses, reducing
> your toxin intake, etc.
> > I hope this helps.
> > Ky
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, javamdnss@...
> wrote:
> >
> >> {{{ haggisisscotsfood@... writes:
> >>
> >> I would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those
> >> sensitive to it. At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?
> Josie}}}
> >>
> >>
> >> For me-if it's somewhere that they have a LOT of them (Big Lots,
> >> SuperTarget, grocery stores) low, and right overhead, and usually open,
> within just
> >> a few minutes I go into somewhat of a trance, extreme nauseousness,
> >> headache on one side, deep muscle pain, dizziness and a very upset
> stomach. Those
> >> are my worse symptoms.
> >> If wearing sunglasses I can last longer but still have some symptoms, to
> a
> >> lesser degree.
> >> Amy
> >>
> >> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
> >> steps!
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In what geographic area are you available?
Bill

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Kyla Mortil <enviroky@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi everyone, I got sick in 2003. They weren't sure what was wrong, but
> thought I had leukemia, because my blood was not functioning as it should.
> After many tests (and me healing most of my blood), they diagnosed me with
> fibromyalgia. Because of that I spent hundreds of hours researching what
> could be making me ill. I eventually became a Building Biology Environmental
> Consultant. I go into people's homes and test for mold, air quality and
> EMFs. I am still researching and looking for anwers for myself and my
> clients. I still have so much to learn and am looking forward to learning
> from all of you and sharing what I have learned.
> Love and Abundance.
> In service,
> Ky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Oh boy,

We just spent an overnight at my Grandmother's house, hours away; it's a small
two story house in a very quiet, and what is probably a nice, well maintained
neighborhood for seniors.

There's a water tower in the distance with some kind of antennae on it, but they
seem to be pointed in the other direction; you can also make out a cell tower
far off in the other way, but its signal seems pretty negligible.

However! - her neighbor, also a senior, is enamored with gadgetry; he, too, must
have some WiFi or DECT garbage in his house, on the side facing my Grandmother's
house's kitchen/living room.  The homes are close together, and if they were
clad in aluminum siding, this wouldn't be a real problem - but the siding is
vinyl.

At the edge of the kitchen, on the wall, facing this neighbor, it's over 200
mW/m2, somewhere between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, at times, according to a Gigahertz
Solutions RF meter.  They don't have "smart" hydro-electric meters.  I know it's
coming from the neighbor - at night I walked between the houses.  On his side,
there's RF; on the otherside, there's barely any.

Without going *too much* into how frustrating it is that my Grandmother likes
the neighbor, he helps her (otherwise!), and she would be furious if I
approached him, discreetly or not, even though she basically accepts that it's
probably not a good thing, and that (though I daren't upset her by mentioning
it) having that come through her house constantly may be contributing to her
sleeping problems, memory issues, and recurring cancer on the face, etc.  Argh!
Why is it politically incorrect to ask a neighbor to please make a small
adjustment in the placement of some electronic toy to refrain from hurting your
Grandmother?

I don't know if he'd listen - imagine if you were 70 or 80 some years old, you
think you're doing your part with these new energy saving CFL bulbs, you like
your cordless phones and this wireless internet is just wonderfully convenient. 
You're minding your business, getting every last leaf off the lawn and spraying
down the vinyl siding with your new high pressure sprayer from Canadian Tire,
and along comes this twenty-something little sh*t in a snug tshirt and starts
telling you that you're making some kind of mistake? Get off my lawn, kid!

(No offense intended toward any of the older readers of this list! This
neighbor's probably a nice guy, he just seems like a serious suburban neatnik of
the highest order, and, like many, thrilled with high tech, and possibly very
set in his ways).

Now - after that rather long rant - sorry, I had to get it off my chest, it
wasn't the most relaxing trip for me - back to shielding.

What I did was by no means a full solution, but it helped for the night.  I
slept in the basement, putting the bed as far back from the neighbor's side as
possible.  (Yes, you can even get the RF in the basement, a very distinct tone,
sometimes over 20-30 mw/m2 in spots.)

Then I covered a large area of the wall and a window near the neighbor's side,
far from my bed, with shielding fabric and aluminum foil.  It was haphazardly
done, but at the distance of my bed where my head was, it got the RF down
between 0.0 and 0.3 mW/m2.  Certainly anywhere outside of the range of my little
"shell", you could read it, but it made for a better sleeping area.

So - it's possible that you could get away with shielding one side of the house
- *if* that's the only source of wireless signal, from one direction.  If it's
not, and you only do a partial shielding job, you could end up with worse
problems, because the RF might still get it, or from another source, and bounce
around back at you due to reflections.

Make sure you've got a good directional RF meter for this kind of job.

As for material...the usual: shielding fabric, aluminum foil, carbon-paint
(expensive!), fly-screen (metal), other conductive materials,
dragon-board...anything I'm missing?

Best of all would be to plead for your neighbor's sanity - see if they'd at
least relocate the device in question.  Failing that, a good shielding job would
be in order (or maybe you could shove it in their face by sticking up a great
big slab of sheet metal between your houses.  Tell them you're improving their
wireless signal by bouncing it back to them.  Okay - maybe that wouldn't be so
diplomatic).

Sorry for the drifting words.  Any others with more knowledge/experience of how
to shield, please fill in what I've probably missed.

Good luck, I hope it works out for you!

R.


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, pete <peter.needham@...> wrote:
>
> Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router
> that I can pick up on in my house.
>
> I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my
> house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments?
>
> Sorry if this has been covered..
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>

My apologies.  Thanks!

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "enviroky" <enviroky@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, no it wasn't directed to you. Someone else had mentioned Clorox.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "rticleone" <rticleone@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > sorry if I thought your message was directed at me and it's at someone else;
I mentioned Borax, which is different than bleach.  I was aware not to use
bleach for mold.
> >
> > Sorry for the confusion if you meant somebody else, I've lost track of the
thread of messages.
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "enviroky" <enviroky@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, I am new to the group. I noticed you mentioned using bleach to get rid
of mold. This will only create a more toxic environment. Bleach has been linked
to the rising rate of breast cancer in women. Tea Tree oil with hot water works
well - 20 drops in 1/4 cup of hot water or a 3-4% sodium carbonate solution
(also known as soda ash or washing soda). Wear gloves and a mask. If you are
sensitive, have someone else clean it for you.
> > >
> >
>

So are the LED lights good for electrosensitivity then? - I had just
found out about them from an electrician friend of mine last week!

I have steadfastly refused to go Fleuro..

Cheers
Pete

enviroky wrote:
> Hi Josie,
> I know quite a few people who are sensitive to fluorescent lighting. The new
compact fluorescents are extremely bad for three reasons - 1)the mercury: they
need to be disposed of as hazardous waste 2)they give off high electromagnetic
radiation 3)they also give off UV radiation. The Canadian government is studying
the last two. Unfortunately, they are still working towards banning incandescent
bulbs by 2012. The alternative is LED, which are getting cheaper and more user
friendly (a better light for reading).
> In the meantime, stay away from those places that have a high quantity of
fluorescent lighting. If you are sensitive to it, listen to your body! If you
don't listen, it will only weaken your immune system over time. That said, there
are ways to strenthen your immune system - cleanses, reducing your toxin intake,
etc.
> I hope this helps.
> Ky
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, javamdnss@... wrote:
>
>> {{{ haggisisscotsfood@... writes:
>>
>> I  would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those
>> sensitive to  it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?   Josie}}}
>>
>>
>> For me-if it's somewhere that they have a LOT of them (Big Lots,
>> SuperTarget, grocery stores) low, and right overhead, and usually open,
within  just
>> a few minutes I go into somewhat of a trance, extreme nauseousness,
>> headache on one side, deep muscle pain, dizziness and a very upset stomach. 
Those
>> are my worse symptoms.
>> If wearing sunglasses I can last longer but still have some symptoms, to a
>> lesser degree.
>> Amy
>>
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
>> steps!
>>
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://\
www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=
>> MaystepsfooterNO62)
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router
that I can pick up on in my house.

I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my
house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments?

Sorry if this has been covered..

Cheers
Pete

In a message dated 31/05/2009 06:43:07 GMT Daylight Time,
marc@... writes:

inside  my house are so low that I can only really smell it when I
walk by an ozone  generator. At those levels, it's perfectly fine,
and it keeps the smells  from the pets away (which is why I'm using it
in the first  place).

But I agree that one should keep the ozone generators away from  where
pets may hang out, as they are more  sensititive.

Marc



I should imagine that thw Ozone produced by the generators is a slightly
different composition than general airborne stuff so you have that one to
think  of


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> ozone will kill mold, but ozone is also toxic to us and plants and
> pets. I hope that you are using the ozone when you are not home and
> air out your home for a few days before you return.

Well, be careful about making that assertion, since that is an area
of much controversy.  Ozone is present in fresh outdoor air, so much so
that I can smell it when I go outside.  The levels of ozone I keep
inside my house are so low that I can only really smell it when I
walk by an ozone generator.   At those levels, it's perfectly fine,
and it keeps the smells from the pets away (which is why I'm using it
in the first place).

But I agree that one should keep the ozone generators away from where
pets may hang out, as they are more sensititive.

Marc

Hi Josie,
I know quite a few people who are sensitive to fluorescent lighting. The new
compact fluorescents are extremely bad for three reasons - 1)the mercury: they
need to be disposed of as hazardous waste 2)they give off high electromagnetic
radiation 3)they also give off UV radiation. The Canadian government is studying
the last two. Unfortunately, they are still working towards banning incandescent
bulbs by 2012. The alternative is LED, which are getting cheaper and more user
friendly (a better light for reading).
In the meantime, stay away from those places that have a high quantity of
fluorescent lighting. If you are sensitive to it, listen to your body! If you
don't listen, it will only weaken your immune system over time. That said, there
are ways to strenthen your immune system - cleanses, reducing your toxin intake,
etc.
I hope this helps.
Ky


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, javamdnss@... wrote:
>
> {{{ haggisisscotsfood@... writes:
>
> I  would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those
> sensitive to  it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?   Josie}}}
>
>
> For me-if it's somewhere that they have a LOT of them (Big Lots,
> SuperTarget, grocery stores) low, and right overhead, and usually open, within
just
> a few minutes I go into somewhat of a trance, extreme nauseousness,
> headache on one side, deep muscle pain, dizziness and a very upset stomach. 
Those
> are my worse symptoms.
> If wearing sunglasses I can last longer but still have some symptoms, to a
> lesser degree.
> Amy
>
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
> steps!
>
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://\
www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=
> MaystepsfooterNO62)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi everyone, I got sick in 2003. They weren't sure what was wrong, but thought I
had leukemia, because my blood was not functioning as it should. After many
tests (and me healing most of my blood), they diagnosed me with fibromyalgia.
Because of that I spent hundreds of hours researching what could be making me
ill. I eventually became a Building Biology Environmental Consultant. I go into
people's homes and test for mold, air quality and EMFs. I am still researching
and looking for anwers for myself and my clients. I still have so much to learn
and am looking forward to learning from all of you and sharing what I have
learned.
Love and Abundance.
In service,
Ky




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, the Stetzer filters can help, but they need to be tested, as they are put
in. Do not just put them into your home and assume they will work for you. The
emfs need to be measured and monitored with each filter to see if it is
eliminating the problem. It helps with the dirty electricity, but if your
problem is wireless, coming from a cell phone tower or neighbors, it might not
help you.
Ky

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "nonnijonsson" <nonnijonsson@...> wrote:
>
> Hello There
>
> I am a newcomer to the group. I dont realy consider
> myself as being electro sensitive, although sitting
> infront of the computer gives me raging tinnitus. What
> bothers me is is that I hear a low rumbling noise
> that sounds like a diesel engine running outside. That
> is simular to what they call the Taos Hum.
>
> I think that it is caused by radio frequency and I
> have been able to temporarily stop it by unplugging the
> Tv.  It also stops when I am outdoors a lot.
>
> I have been wondering about buying Stetzer filters. I
> see that there are conflicting reports about them on this forum,
> and also the Canadian gov has done a study on them.
>
> Can anyone explain the Stetzer filters and tell me
> if they are worth spending $800. Do you think
> they would give a little peace ?
>
> Thanks :-)
>

Hi, no it wasn't directed to you. Someone else had mentioned Clorox.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "rticleone" <rticleone@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> sorry if I thought your message was directed at me and it's at someone else; I
mentioned Borax, which is different than bleach.  I was aware not to use bleach
for mold.
>
> Sorry for the confusion if you meant somebody else, I've lost track of the
thread of messages.
>
> R.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "enviroky" <enviroky@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I am new to the group. I noticed you mentioned using bleach to get rid
of mold. This will only create a more toxic environment. Bleach has been linked
to the rising rate of breast cancer in women. Tea Tree oil with hot water works
well - 20 drops in 1/4 cup of hot water or a 3-4% sodium carbonate solution
(also known as soda ash or washing soda). Wear gloves and a mask. If you are
sensitive, have someone else clean it for you.
> >
>

Hi Marc,
ozone will kill mold, but ozone is also toxic to us and plants and pets. I hope
that you are using the ozone when you are not home and air out your home for a
few days before you return.
Ky
--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I think the only way to combat health problems arising from
> > mold is first move out of the property
>
> Note that ozone generators will kill off mold.
>
> I just moved into a house with new carpet, new paint,
> new furniture, and without my ozone generators I would
> have a terrible time withstanding all the offgassing...
>
> Marc
>

{{{ haggisisscotsfood@... writes:

I  would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those
sensitive to  it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?   Josie}}}


For me-if it's somewhere that they have a LOT of them (Big Lots,
SuperTarget, grocery stores) low, and right overhead, and usually open, within 
just
a few minutes I go into somewhat of a trance, extreme nauseousness,
headache on one side, deep muscle pain, dizziness and a very upset stomach. 
Those
are my worse symptoms.
If wearing sunglasses I can last longer but still have some symptoms, to a
lesser degree.
Amy

**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://\
www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=
MaystepsfooterNO62)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those sensitive to
it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?

Josie


I can't be around the compact fluorescent light bulbs. They give me a migraine,
vertigo and nausea.

They also will cause interference, buzzing and sound distortion in a hearing
aid.

Donnie

There is a great variation in the emissions from fluorescent lights.
It depends what kind of ballast, what condition (visible flicker, audible
noise), how it is installed,
what kind of bulbs.



On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:33 PM, PickPinkFlowers <
haggisisscotsfood@...> wrote:

>
>
>  I would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those
> sensitive to it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?  Josie
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 I would like to hear what effect fluorescent lighting has on those sensitive to
it.  At the extreme end, how bad can a reaction get?  Josie




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Hi there,

sorry if I thought your message was directed at me and it's at someone else; I
mentioned Borax, which is different than bleach.  I was aware not to use bleach
for mold.

Sorry for the confusion if you meant somebody else, I've lost track of the
thread of messages.

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "enviroky" <enviroky@...> wrote:
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> Hi, I am new to the group. I noticed you mentioned using bleach to get rid of
mold. This will only create a more toxic environment. Bleach has been linked to
the rising rate of breast cancer in women. Tea Tree oil with hot water works
well - 20 drops in 1/4 cup of hot water or a 3-4% sodium carbonate solution
(also known as soda ash or washing soda). Wear gloves and a mask. If you are
sensitive, have someone else clean it for you.
>

Oops! Didn't know that; thanks.  I was thinking of using 'Borax', the powder
sold in grocery stores.

R.
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-- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bruno M." <brunom1@...> wrote:
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> Borax and Boric Acid are not the same thing, but they are family.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boric_acid
>
> The first is used in cleaning,
> the second in pestcontrol.
>
> Grts
> Bruno M.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "rticleone" <rticleone@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if simply throwing pure Borax powder (boric acid) on black
mold will do the trick? (There's some in the shower between the tiles in the
corner).  I don't know if it's the really bad kind of black mold, but I'm sure
it's probably better off not being there.
> >
> > I've heard Borax will kill mold and help prevent its return; my concern is
if it will send the mold into "panic mode" and get it releasing spores like
crazy to ensure its survival.  Ack!
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "sctdh" <bmfb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been trying to remove mold and decided to move.
> > > The book related to mold control on a budget is good. The first think you
can do is buy the best furnace filter available at the local stores. Whenever
you change filters have a garbage bag right there to inclose it, wear a face
mask and googles that fit tight around your eyes. They explain what kind of face
mask from the hardware store. Also i suggest a hat since dust can get in your
hair and when you take the mask off it can be stirred up and breath it. I
willget undressed in front of the washing machine and don't take my mask amd
goggles off until i am in the shower. When you change vacuum cleaner bags be
fully protected, too. This is the most intense exposure to dust and i went
poking through a bag looking for a ring and got it in my eyes and it damage my
skin. I had on a mask but no goggles or hat.
> > >
> > > Some people us a drug called chloresteroline or something like that,
spelling?
> > >
> > > I am trying a supplement from Young Living, something Defense. Also their
oil for liver detox. I can't get up to look, i have to deal with so many things,
gotta go...
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > get a pro or read this:
> > > > http://www.mold-control-on-a-budget.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > > I recently met a girl who is chemically sensitive and needs to have
mold
> > > > > removed from her home. Neither of us know anything about safely
removing
> > > > > mold. Is there any advice you can give us?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > Elizabeth
> > > > >
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Dang.  We're going to do the bathroom anyway, it just comes down to when we can
afford it.  Hopefully in the meantime, it won't be too problematic.

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, Loni <loni326@...> wrote:
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> You need to remove rather than clean. It will proliferate. Loni
>
> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: rticleone <rticleone@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: mold removal
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:26 AM
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> Does anyone know if simply throwing pure Borax powder (boric acid) on black
mold will do the trick? (There's some in the shower between the tiles in the
corner). I don't know if it's the really bad kind of black mold, but I'm sure
it's probably better off not being there.
>
> I've heard Borax will kill mold and help prevent its return; my concern is if
it will send the mold into "panic mode" and get it releasing spores like crazy
to ensure its survival. Ack!
>
> R.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "sctdh" <bmfb@> wrote:
> >
> > I have been trying to remove mold and decided to move.
> > The book related to mold control on a budget is good. The first think you
can do is buy the best furnace filter available at the local stores. Whenever
you change filters have a garbage bag right there to inclose it, wear a face
mask and googles that fit tight around your eyes. They explain what kind of face
mask from the hardware store. Also i suggest a hat since dust can get in your
hair and when you take the mask off it can be stirred up and breath it. I
willget undressed in front of the washing machine and don't take my mask amd
goggles off until i am in the shower. When you change vacuum cleaner bags be
fully protected, too. This is the most intense exposure to dust and i went
poking through a bag looking for a ring and got it in my eyes and it damage my
skin. I had on a mask but no goggles or hat.
> >
> > Some people us a drug called chloresteroline or something like that,
spelling?
> >
> > I am trying a supplement from Young Living, something Defense. Also their
oil for liver detox. I can't get up to look, i have to deal with so many things,
gotta go...
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > > get a pro or read this:
> > > http://www.mold- control-on- a-budget. com/
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@ >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > I recently met a girl who is chemically sensitive and needs to have mold
> > > > removed from her home. Neither of us know anything about safely removing
> > > > mold. Is there any advice you can give us?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > Elizabeth
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Hi, I am new to the group. I noticed you mentioned using bleach to get rid of
mold. This will only create a more toxic environment. Bleach has been linked to
the rising rate of breast cancer in women. Tea Tree oil with hot water works
well - 20 drops in 1/4 cup of hot water or a 3-4% sodium carbonate solution
(also known as soda ash or washing soda). Wear gloves and a mask. If you are
sensitive, have someone else clean it for you.