Has anyone tried Metalloclear, the new chelator by Metagenics?
I suppports the bodies own metal detoxification process.

Paul

> Thanks John, you are correct. I have a genetic immune problem & am on
> steroids

Wouldn't the steroids suppress your immune system, making you
more susceptible to fungus?  I had to stop taking my cortico-steroid
nasal spray years ago and switch to anti-fungals (grapefruit seed
extract) and probiotics (primal defense) to get my fungal overgrowth
problems under control.

I think the reason people need to take steroids is that their
adrenal glands are shot, and what they really need is some
good adrenal support supplements (glandulars, herbs, etc).
Adrenal support is about the only thing which helps my
seasonal allergies.

Marc

I can't afford one of those. I became disabled in March. I have spent so much
money in the past on things & all I really need is a clean environment. Hard to
do nowadays. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, charles <charles@...> wrote:

From: charles <charles@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:06 AM

It is also a matter of improving the immune system.

Detox does not have to be expensive.
An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

Do read the free downloadable book *Flow System Therapy* under Literature on
my website.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin


>> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
>> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those
>> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.
>
> People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do
> this by undergoing a heavy metal detox.  This usually takes
> several years and costs several thousands of dollars.  Of
> course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,
> eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy
> EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and
> speed up the process.
>
> But of course, that is what this discussion group is all
> about, as are websites such as this one:
>
>  http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/
>
> Marc
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






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My only hope is to relocate but doesn't seem possible. I am homeless & it is
scary.
Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:03 AM






> Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself
> of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain
> extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at
> times too.

Certainly eliminating excessive EMF exposure would be a
great thing to do when trying to get well. And I did
recommend moving to Loni when she first reported those
cellphone towers. But sometimes moving doesn't appear
to be an option, and in such cases you need to focus
on other methods.

Marc

















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The RF is 1000 times higher than a normal body can handle according to the
building biologist that tested my home. I have 5 cell anntennas that I can see
from my back window. It is frying my nerves. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, maureenan <maureen.norman@...> wrote:

From: maureenan <maureen.norman@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 9:41 AM






Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself
of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain
extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at
times too.

Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

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Already cleaned up my house. The house is fine expect for the EMF. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...> wrote:

From: JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 8:32 AM







In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time, marc@ufoseries. com
writes:

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful
shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity. co.uk

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It is the RF Marc from the cell anntennas

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:03 AM






> This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

















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Thanks John, you are correct. I have a genetic immune problem & am on steroids
that have also contributed to my recked immune system as well as the infection
of all the fungus in my gut. I'm in bad shape. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...> wrote:

From: JBainSI@... <JBainSI@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 12:43 AM







In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time, marc@ufoseries. com
writes:

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time. It
might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in the past to EMR.
Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is
probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction
gets worse with each exposure.
For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites. She is often bitten on
the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with blisters. Nothing
conventional seemed to work, each time the effect got worse, but we found
magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some
electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an
inexpensive way
to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can advise her
other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of yours
doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity. co.uk

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well I have fungus in my gut but the pain is caused by recked immune system due
to fungus overexposure.
The gut pain is absent away from cell antennas. I had no pain at all in Snow
Flake.
Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:59 PM






> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc


















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Of course the ultimate detox is from without not from within,  ie swtich off
all the antagonistic technologies !  It is unlikley that we  will ever have an
armistice day,, so back to the drawing board.

puk






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Detox does not have to be expensive.
> An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

I should also point out that people with ES should be *very*
careful when attempting any type of detox.  Go slow at first,
and take only a fraction of the recommended dosage of anything
to first check for a bad reaction.  If you have a bad reaction,
either stop or reduce the dosage.

As for the ionizing footspa, I had a terrible reaction to a
"Bionic Hydrotherapy" footbath, and overnight my ES returned to
high levels that I had not experienced for 5 years.  And I have
literally spent the last 7 months of weekly doctors appointments
and thousands of dollars attempting to get back to the level of
health that I had prior to the footbath.  So every form of detox
has its risks, no matter how safe everyone says it is.

Marc

It is also a matter of improving the immune system.

Detox does not have to be expensive.
An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

Do read the free downloadable book *Flow System Therapy* under Literature on
my website.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin


>> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
>> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those
>> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.
>
> People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do
> this by undergoing a heavy metal detox.  This usually takes
> several years and costs several thousands of dollars.  Of
> course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,
> eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy
> EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and
> speed up the process.
>
> But of course, that is what this discussion group is all
> about, as are websites such as this one:
>
>  http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/
>
> Marc
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself
> of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain
> extremely high in your home.  It makes me ache at
> times too.

Certainly eliminating excessive EMF exposure would be a
great thing to do when trying to get well.  And I did
recommend moving to Loni when she first reported those
cellphone towers.  But sometimes moving doesn't appear
to be an option, and in such cases you need to focus
on other methods.

Marc

> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those
> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.

People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do
this by undergoing a heavy metal detox.  This usually takes
several years and costs several thousands of dollars.  Of
course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,
eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy
EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and
speed up the process.

But of course, that is what this discussion group is all
about, as are websites such as this one:

   http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

Marc

In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time,  marc@...
writes:

Tell  that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on  something else other than EMF...



Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful
shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself
of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain
extremely high in your home.  It makes me ache at
times too.

Maureen
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:03 PM
   Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin



   Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
   by focusing on something else other than EMF...

   Marc




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> This is nonsense, Mark.  Everyone does not react in the same  way.
> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of  time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time,  marc@...
writes:

Yes, but  there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to  translate into gut pain.  The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if  it was, then
everyone would have gut pain.  So it is the EMF  plus
something else.  EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF  plus heavy metals.  Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the  pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone.   However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even  with continued cell tower exposure.



This is nonsense, Mark.  Everyone does not react in the same  way.
Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of  time.   It
might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in  the past to EMR.
Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is
probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction
gets worse with each exposure.
For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites.   She is often  bitten on
the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with  blisters.   Nothing
conventional seemed to work, each time the effect  got worse, but we found
magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation  and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some
electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an 
inexpensive way
to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can  advise her
other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of  yours
doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain.  The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain.  So it is the EMF plus
something else.  EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals.  Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone.  However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc

Yes I think you are correct. Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, charles <charles@...> wrote:

From: charles <charles@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:59 AM

Hello,

"severe pain in gut"  is a well known symptom of a number of
electrosensibles.
It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and  experience
unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.
If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog
wil be less.
It will not go over, but it will be less.
So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.
First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will
help.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin


> Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
> I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for
this I'd
> look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
> toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
> chlorella).
>
> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom --
anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?
>
> Marc
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser"
> <loni326@...> said:
>> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well
as skin
>> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
>> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in
to
>> my house & my house was tested very high.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:41 AM






> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial
/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure? Do you have any
reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances? Things
like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano? Maybe
even a probiotic? On the subject of probiotics, I've noted
that "Primal Defense" can reliably reduce some of my ES
symptoms. Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so
I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that
helps.

Marc

















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,

"severe pain in gut"  is a well known symptom of a number of
electrosensibles.
It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and  experience
unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.
If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog
wil be less.
It will not go over, but it will be less.
So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.
First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will
help.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin


> Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
> I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for this I'd
> look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
> toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
> chlorella).
>
> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?
>
> Marc
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser"
> <loni326@...> said:
>> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
>> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
>> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to
>> my house & my house was tested very high.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial
/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure?  Do you have any
reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances?  Things
like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano?  Maybe
even a probiotic?  On the subject of probiotics, I've noted
that "Primal Defense" can reliably reduce some of my ES
symptoms.  Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so
I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that
helps.

Marc

Thanks Marc

-- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:32 AM






Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for this I'd
look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser" <loni326@yahoo. com>
said:
> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to
> my house & my house was tested very high.


















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Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for this I'd
look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser" <loni326@...>
said:
> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to
> my house & my house was tested very high.

No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my house. I
can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to my house & my
house was tested very high.
Loni

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:44 PM






> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?
Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm
sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause
burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin
using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum
Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of
antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid
supplement? For me, "H-Minus" from e3Live helps relieve
burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html
(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health
food store.

Marc

















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> And I am saying also, that if Marc
> likes the "H-minus" product for this, there is some evidence as to why
> and how it works.  Marc and I have had this conversation before and I use
> "Hydrogen Booster" (which I believe Marc recommended to me), but there
> are certainly other hydrogen boosting products

"Hydrogen Boost" from Source Naturals is essentially the same thing
as "H-Minus" from e3Live.  I think it is easier to find Hydrogen
Boost in local health food stores, but I prefer the H-Minus because
it is available as a powder.  For me, the powder has 3 advantages:

   * there are no fillers in it, so I know I won't have a bad
     reaction to the fillers

   * I can easily use tiny doses, smaller than what's in a
     capsule.  The dose I usually take is about 1/4 of what's
     in a capsule (I seem to do best with small doses of most
     supplements)

   * you notice instant benefits, as you don't have to
     wait for the capsule to dissolve and have it processed
     through your stomach (this stuff seems to get into your
     bloodstream just by being in your mouth)

Marc

Hi, Marc and Loni,
 
Yes, I get skin burning from glutens, pesticides, various chemicals, and molds,
besides emfs/magnetic frequencies.  It has been postulated by some alternative
docs that I may be experiencing a type of autonomic neruopathy or small-fiber
neuropathy, but I have not checked this out as I am rather AMA doctor phobic and
I'd like to hang onto my money for other things right now.  ;)  If you are not
getting headaches and other symptoms, then the possibility exists that what you
are experiencing might not be ES (tho for you to come to this conclusion
probably means it is--ES isn't the first place people look to to explain their
symptoms.)
 
As to the helps that Marc mentions, the hydrogen supplement helps me in other
ways than just for the burning (with energy depletion, bp plummeting, body temp,
heart rate...), as does alkalizing my water (or alkalizing in general). 
Alkalizing as a whole has an affect on the adrenal glands--acidic metabolism
causes a rise in serotonin secretion (in the body, not the brain).  It is my
understanding that serotonin also has a role to play in helping regulate the
autonomic system (with the adrenal glands).  When the hormone is out of
sinc with the other hormones or too abundant, the autonomic system can
malfunction.  Hydrogen causes alkalization and a lessening of serotonin
dumping (as do a number of other supplements--NADH is similar tho expensive; if
my memory serves, rhodeola rosea is another herbal supplement that can
alkalize/affect the hydrogen in your body, tho when I tried it, it was less
potent than what I needed.)   And, it could be
  that the hydrogen products are working just because they provide negative ions
for the positive ions from emf/magnetic frequencies to bond to, thus keeping
your body from becoming too acid and causing serotonin dumping from that.

Calcium AEP and pantethine and co-Q10 are all supplements that help the adrenals
and the autonomic system, (as a result of helping the adrenals, if not
directly).  CoQ10, cal AEP, and pantethine also help the lymphatic system, which
can be a factor in who develops ES.  I am not positive (I have notes somewhere
but I am packing to move and everything is in disarray), but I think coQ10, cal
AEP, and pantethine are also supplements that affect the liver detox phases. 
So, what I am saying is, to some degree, any or all of these should help you on
an ongoing basis, not necessarily just when you are on the road (tho I can
understand needing helps for this as well).  And I am saying also, that if Marc
likes the "H-minus" product for this, there is some evidence as to why and how
it works.  Marc and I have had this conversation before and I use "Hydrogen
Booster" (which I believe Marc recommended to me), but there are certainly other
hydrogen boosting products
  out there which will also work.

These are not the only supplements which work for ES.  I find balancing
electrolytes helps (I esp like a product called "Electro-blast", but I don't
like to order online and have not been able to order this for sometime by phone,
so do not know whether they are still in business.)  Omega oils, fatty acids,
lipids--this whole line of supplements seem to help me in particular ratios--I
couldn't possibly suggest amounts and products for these, as these seem to be
supplements which you have to tweak to your own body's needs.  For me
personally, any supplements which help my liver also help the ES.  This includes
supplements which address liver detox pathway issues.

Also, you can experiment with various types of jewelry that you own.  I have
experimented with wearing a stainless steel necklace and bracelet.  If I wear
them next to my skin, it causes worse burning and pain.  It works if I wear them
over clothing (needs to be rather thick, so this might not work for you in the
desert this time of year!  lol) But certainly try things like this by sitting
them close to you or in front of you if you cannot wear it.  Try silver,
crystals, gems, etc--various gems and crystals also have absorbing properties. 
Esp try strings of beads which have no metal clasps.  It is a bit like trees--if
you can attract the emfs to another object, then they can sometimes be less
attracted to you.  ALSO along this vein, the REMOVAL of jewelry might help. 
Wires in eyeglasses, underwire bras, your wedding ring...

What helps me most in the car is film on windows and aluminum foil on the
sunvisors which I can put up and down as a shield from particular directions. 
(And which doesn't always work if there is a tower behind you somewhere.)

Good luck, Loni.  So much of this is trial and error that you just have to work
at until you find a solution.
Diane

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:44 PM






> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?
Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm
sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause
burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin
using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum
Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of
antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid
supplement? For me, "H-Minus" from e3Live helps relieve
burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html
(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health
food store.

Marc

Dear Loni,

if you ask a question and get an answer from someone, who has years of
successful experience and still refuse the answer, why did you ask in the first
place. Probably you expect an answer along the lines your knowledge is today.
This way you never will learn something really new.
If you really want to understand, what is happening, read the article about
electrosmog on a homepage of a friend of mine ( _www.golden-ray.com_
(http://www.golden-ray.com)  ), where I have  explained the whole thing about
the true
nature of electrosmog on a few pages.  Small portions of this knowledge I have
shared to this group every now and then,  but no one seems to notice it.

dietrich


In einer eMail vom 27.06.2008 20:58:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
loni326@...:

What  will that do to the radiation. I mean it is powerful stuff!!! Loni

---  On Fri, 6/27/08, _Gruendg@..._ (mailto:Gruendg@...)
<_Gruendg@..._ (mailto:Gruendg@...) >  wrote:

From: _Gruendg@..._ (mailto:Gruendg@...)  <_Gruendg@..._
(mailto:Gruendg@...) >
Subject: Re:  [eSens] Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction
To: _eSens@..._ (mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.com)
Date:  Friday, June 27, 2008, 11:24 AM

Hi,

this light post is probably  made of steel or aluminum. A electrosmog
neutralizing device attached to this  metallic construction will do it. The
problem
is, people will see it, laugh at  it and remove it. If you are seriosly
interestet, contact me personally. There  is a solution to this problem, that is
invisible. I have been using this since  2003 on many base stations with success
as well as many of my  friends.

dietrich gruen

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> what is the best way to sheild from the KHZ frequencies, say  0-1600khz they
seem to go through/around
> everything -

kHz magnetic field is difficult.
Use Finemet http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#271
You will see from the performance graph, that you can obtain 10-25 dB
attenuation over the kHz range.

Emil