Hi Becky:

Here is the link to the maker of the "ball"  you asked about.
http://tachyon-station.com/  I'll let everyone know if it has an positive
effect once I get it.

Plus,  Marc....thanks for your comments - I'm about to take the big step to
have my cavitations cleaned out and root canals removed.  I'll have to do it
in two stages though as I'm very ES and just going to the dental office is a
challenge.  My symptoms are more pronounced on my right side....dizzyness
and aching at the right temple.  I'm hoping that the cavitation that has
been identified on the right side, once cleaned, will help solve my
problems.  Have you or anyone else heard that "metal" can be in cavations,
my bio dentist told me this so it makes sense for ES people to get rid of
all the metal they can....I'm working on it....I still have some crowns with
mixed metals that have to come out too.  I'm very good with diet, stress,
vitamins and am working on Andy cutler protocal for chelation - although
that's been going slowly because ES makes everything harder.

If anyone else here is chelating, I'd like to know how it's going.

Thanks,

Donna

Hi Donna;

   I'm curious to know...what is the "protective ball" that you have ordered.  I
have also tried several of the things that you have tried, with no results.  So
I'm curious to learn about possible products I could try.

DD <dogsforus2@...> wrote:
           Hi Marc:

I've tried Earthcalm - pendant and whole house unit (which I still use) as
well as Q-link, quantum bite (sample download program I ran for 2 weeks), a
thing called an ELFR chip which is on the computer and various "stones" with
apparent radiation absorbing qualities. Nothing makes the slightest
difference. By the way, I sent away for a sample of the protective ball,
they will send you a "sampler" for a small shipping fee. Plus, I'm hesitant
to spend any more money on these having spent a lot on the earthcalm.

Donna






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> I've tried Earthcalm - pendant and whole house unit (which I still use)
> as well as Q-link, quantum bite (sample download program I ran for 2 weeks),
> a thing called an ELFR chip which is on the computer and various "stones"
> with apparent radiation absorbing qualities.  Nothing makes the slightest
> difference.

Hmm, yes, it seems that you have tried plenty of EMF protection devices,
and the right ones, too.  How about dietary changes, supplements,
metal removal from the body (dental work, eyeglasses, etc.) --
any of these help?  (I assume that avoidance helps?)

Marc

Hi Marc:

I've tried Earthcalm - pendant and whole house unit (which I still use) as
well as Q-link, quantum bite (sample download program I ran for 2 weeks), a
thing called an ELFR chip which is on the computer and various "stones" with
apparent radiation absorbing qualities.  Nothing makes the slightest
difference.  By the way, I sent away for a sample of the protective ball,
they will send you a "sampler" for a small shipping fee.  Plus, I'm hesitant
to spend any more money on these having spent a lot on the earthcalm.

Donna

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > > This protective ball sounds interesting. You said it helped you
for radio
> > > waves. Does this include sitting in front of your computer?
This and
> > > watching television are my biggest problems and I haven't found
any device
> > > to be helpful for this yet.
>
> Donna, which devices have you tried for helping with the computer
and
> television?  That is, which one's did NOT work for you?
>
> Marc
>

Maybe of your interest, that my wife (EHS) started to use Nitrile
gloves to handle the mouse: it seems it works.
She had before problems on the arm   and armpit that now are quite
reduced.


We'll see
Giorgio

Hi Jon

Welcome to the group.

Not sure if this info is useful, Im suure you have found most of it on the
archives but here
is my 10 pence worth!

I presume you have made your house 'safe' by removing
wifi, mobiles, dect phones and anything radiating a
signal, making sure it is switched off. In fact, anything that does
not need to be plugged in, remove it and see if it
makes a difference. It is good to try and keep a
diary, this has helped me. Install a wired connection
for the internet but give yourself a break until the
symptoms settle down.

I would also suggest looking at your health and diet.
Switching to a fresh organic diet helps and also
changing anything else that adds to the toxic load on your body,
eg, all my home products/beauty products have been
switched to Eco ones.

I would also suggest speaking to someone about
vitamins and minerals as many ES people have low
B-Vits and trace minerals. I would also look at
taking an antioxidant to keep in optimum health.

I am getting some good results from Epsom Salts baths
which detoxify you. If I have been on a computer for
a long time and have one of these baths, it takes away
that horrible numb feeling...it may help and it is
cheap to try.

I would also suggest getting some fresh air and taking
up some exercise or form of relaxation if possible.

These are only my suggestions and many of the people
on this site have much more experience than me, I just
wanted to try and help if at all possible.

Please come back to me if you have any questions on
the things I mention above.

Alison






--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "prentice_jon" <prentice_jon@...> wrote:
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, paulpjc@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Out of interest did the problem eminate from LHS behind jaw ?
> Also  has this
> > effected your work etc...
> >
> > Paul uk
> >
>
> It emanated from the right side, and spread almost everywhere,
> though for the most part paresthesias have been stronger on the
> right, with a few exceptions a while ago when things were much worse
> for me.
>
> I stopped working and left my apartment for a while (not knowing
> what the problem was yet), then got a little better and went back to
> work and returned to the apartment and within a few days of that I
> found myself to be ES, and after a couple of weeks I could feel
> things like a magnet held over my hand, or if people near me
> received a text message or call, and a wide variety of other
> things.  So anyway, I quit working again shortly after that and went
> into EM hiding, and have only worked some part time seasonal work
> since then.
> I'm 33 living in California by the way.
>
> I've often had trouble sleeping since this started, even recently,
> but less so now.  Symptoms often seem to show up as I drift towards
> a sleep state, like I could be feeling fine but as soon as I get
> close to falling asleep symptoms pop up that sometimes prevent
> sleep.  Anyone else have this sort of experience?  I don't know if
> it could be because of a the positioning of some part of my body, or
> is somehow related to the way the body functions when going to sleep.
> Perhaps some sort of autonomic nervous system malfunction.
>
> Jon
>

I wanted to report that I've plugged my refrigerator into a different
outlet,
because the outlet behind the fridge uses wires that go right under the
bedroom.  I am sleeping quite a bit better now (but still wake up when the
fridge
comes on, but I'm able to get back to sleep).

My fridge manual says the extension cord should be
rated for 10 amps.  If you can get a twisted one, even better.

You can trace where the wires go by plugging in an electric heater and
tracing
with a gauss meter.

Ideally, getting the walls rewired with 12/3 romex (which is twisted) or
lessEMF's fancy
cables, such that the wires stay away from the bedroom would be best.


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Hello :)

Just want to say hi and get up to speed... hope I can contribute to the
discussions.

Best
JL

> > This protective ball sounds interesting. You said it helped you for radio
> > waves. Does this include sitting in front of your computer? This and
> > watching television are my biggest problems and I haven't found any device
> > to be helpful for this yet.

Donna, which devices have you tried for helping with the computer and
television?  That is, which one's did NOT work for you?

Marc

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>
> Out of interest did the problem eminate from LHS behind jaw ?
Also  has this
> effected your work etc...
>
> Paul uk
>

It emanated from the right side, and spread almost everywhere,
though for the most part paresthesias have been stronger on the
right, with a few exceptions a while ago when things were much worse
for me.

I stopped working and left my apartment for a while (not knowing
what the problem was yet), then got a little better and went back to
work and returned to the apartment and within a few days of that I
found myself to be ES, and after a couple of weeks I could feel
things like a magnet held over my hand, or if people near me
received a text message or call, and a wide variety of other
things.  So anyway, I quit working again shortly after that and went
into EM hiding, and have only worked some part time seasonal work
since then.
I'm 33 living in California by the way.

I've often had trouble sleeping since this started, even recently,
but less so now.  Symptoms often seem to show up as I drift towards
a sleep state, like I could be feeling fine but as soon as I get
close to falling asleep symptoms pop up that sometimes prevent
sleep.  Anyone else have this sort of experience?  I don't know if
it could be because of a the positioning of some part of my body, or
is somehow related to the way the body functions when going to sleep.
Perhaps some sort of autonomic nervous system malfunction.

Jon

Hi Donna,

Alas, I cannot clearly answer your question, because I am sensitive
against pulsed microwave radiation  through cell phones and cell phone
towers, but I advice you to contact the inventor under
info@... for your questions.

Best!
Klaus



DD schrieb:
>
> Hi Klaus:
>
> This protective ball sounds interesting. You said it helped you for radio
> waves. Does this include sitting in front of your computer? This and
> watching television are my biggest problems and I haven't found any device
> to be helpful for this yet. Please let us know if it has helped you in
> this
> way as their website looks interesting but EMF devices are so
> expensive and
> I can't afford to buy them all.
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> Donna
>
>

Hi Klaus:

This protective ball sounds interesting.  You said it helped you for radio
waves.  Does this include sitting in front of your computer? This and
watching television are my biggest problems and I haven't found any device
to be helpful for this yet.  Please let us know if it has helped you in this
way as their website looks interesting but EMF devices are so expensive and
I can't afford to buy them all.

Thanks very much,

Donna

Hello Becky,

you can contact the company under: info@...

Best!
Klaus



Becky Inbody schrieb:
>
> Sorry, I guess I should specify what region I am in. I am in Omaha,
> Nebraska.
>
> Becky Inbody <binboda@... <mailto:binboda%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> Hi there,
> I just looked on this website for the tachyon free sample. They aren't
> shipping to my region. Do you know of a company that could ship me
> this product?
>
> star.mail@... <mailto:star.mail%40online.de> wrote:
> I have suffered for years a.o. under tachycardia, caused by the negative
> effects of pulsed cellular radio waves. When placing a TACHYON -
> structured crystal ball at a distance of 80 cm from me, I was able to
> experience it's impact on me. The energy of the ball is considerable and
> noticeable at a great distance around the ball. Within about 15 minutes
> of being in this field my tachycardia had totally calmed down, and could
> feel that the ball had also pleasantly effected other bodily functions,
> disturbed by the pulsed waves. I had been searching for many years for
> adequate methods to protect me against cellular radio waves and to
> improve my health. A method that is conform with the effect of the
> crystal ball, I had so far not been able to find before until now.
>
> You can find information here in German, there is also a translation in
> English available:
> http://www.tachyon-station.com/ <http://www.tachyon-station.com/>
>
> Best!
> Klaus
>
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>

Sorry, I guess I should specify what region I am in.  I am in Omaha, Nebraska.

Becky Inbody <binboda@...> wrote:          Hi there,
I just looked on this website for the tachyon free sample. They aren't shipping
to my region. Do you know of a company that could ship me this product?

star.mail@... wrote:
I have suffered for years a.o. under tachycardia, caused by the negative
effects of pulsed cellular radio waves. When placing a TACHYON -
structured crystal ball at a distance of 80 cm from me, I was able to
experience it's impact on me. The energy of the ball is considerable and
noticeable at a great distance around the ball. Within about 15 minutes
of being in this field my tachycardia had totally calmed down, and could
feel that the ball had also pleasantly effected other bodily functions,
disturbed by the pulsed waves. I had been searching for many years for
adequate methods to protect me against cellular radio waves and to
improve my health. A method that is conform with the effect of the
crystal ball, I had so far not been able to find before until now.

You can find information here in German, there is also a translation in
English available:
http://www.tachyon-station.com/

Best!
Klaus

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Hi there,
   I just looked on this website for the tachyon free sample.  They aren't
shipping to my region.  Do you know of a company that could ship me this
product?

star.mail@... wrote:
           I have suffered for years a.o. under tachycardia, caused by the
negative
effects of pulsed cellular radio waves. When placing a TACHYON -
structured crystal ball at a distance of 80 cm from me, I was able to
experience it's impact on me. The energy of the ball is considerable and
noticeable at a great distance around the ball. Within about 15 minutes
of being in this field my tachycardia had totally calmed down, and could
feel that the ball had also pleasantly effected other bodily functions,
disturbed by the pulsed waves. I had been searching for many years for
adequate methods to protect me against cellular radio waves and to
improve my health. A method that is conform with the effect of the
crystal ball, I had so far not been able to find before until now.

You can find information here in German, there is also a translation in
English available:
http://www.tachyon-station.com/

Best!
Klaus






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Everybody,

Thanks! Great answers, I'm happy to be helped by so many knowledgeable
people.  The thought of the small sparks never even crossed my mind.

Best,

R.

I forgot to mention that most turn signal relays do not work
with LEDs, so I replaced that too, which was the hard part.

Bill

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

> If you turn something on you create a 'step function' which has
> all frequencies in it.  Plus, the meter may not be too accurate with
> transients.
>
> The energy in the pulse is lower if there's less current being turned on
> or off.  Hence I put LED bulbs (but not the kind with built in regulators)
> for the turn signal of my car...
> Bill
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:08 PM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 2/23/2008 6:16:39 PM GMT Standard Time,
> > rticleone@... <rticleone%40yahoo.ca> writes:
> >
> > And, is there a way to eliminate these RF bursts? Shielding wiring,
> > something installed at the fuse box, filters of some sort, or what?
> >
> > I have noticed this, I had a key ring fob that flashes when a mibile
> > rings
> > and everytime I switched on the kitchen extract fan it set the thing off
> >
> > flashing ! The switch was a sliding type so I guess that when operated
> > it gives
> > off a burst/surge for a micro second in a broad frequency band perhaps
> > due to
> > the sudden largely uncontrolled surge that occurs and thus leaks out
> > from the
> > switch components. it does not bother me on the basis that it only
> > happens
> > infrequently and so will not cuase chronis effects. It is a fact that if
> > you
> > hook someone up to a EEG the brain will show itself register the
> > flicking of a
> > light switch over and above effects on the equipment, we are after all
> > equisitely sensitive ES or not.
> >
> >
> > PAUL UK
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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> My wife is electrosensible, as you know.
> Which precautions and instructions to survive both in the airport area
> and into the aircraft would come from youown experience ?

In the airport, avoid the TV displays showing arrival/departure times.
If there are supplements or foods that make your wife feel better,
bring them with you on your carry-on.  You might also want to
experiment with a few EMF protection devices, to see if any make
life more pleasant (for me, Quantum Products have worked well,
and up until recently Springlife Polarizers have worked well,
although lately I've been using the MegaChi pendant more and
more).

In the airplane, try to avoid sitting next to people with laptop
computers or portable DVD players.  Avoid sitting underneath
the flourescent lights in the cabin (and ask someone to turn
them off if you are stuck underneath one).  I never found
the airplane engines to be a problem -- I was always bothered
by things within a few feet of me.

Marc

In a message dated 24/02/2008 19:14:44 GMT Standard Time,
jaime_schunkewitz@... writes:

without a mouse - had an old ball style, PS2 wired one but it
doesn't



If your problem is due to ps2 conection on the old mouse, you can buy an
adaptor from ebay ps2 to usb.

paul uk






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You may want to look into an infrared-red (IR) keyboard and trackball.
IR offers isolation from the laptop.

Keytronics makes a keyboard which can be shielded in 0.5 mil foil.

Shielding a mouse is not easy, your better off with a trackball
which has more room inside to shield the components, and its
stationary.

Eli

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "mcsdaisy" <health.rehab@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm new and have ES for probably many years but only last year
realized.
>
> I'm having probs with my computer. got a newer laptop but can't use
it
> without a mouse - had an old ball style, PS2 wired one but it
doesn't
> work with the laptop.  Has anyone found one that works or is there
such
> thing as a USB mechanical mouse?
>
> I wonder also if anyone knows what the difference btwn the laser &
> optical mouses are & if one is safer than the other?
> & how to shield.
>
> also find the new external keyboard is more bothersome.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> daisy
>

I've been told that sheet rock will actually absorb some microwaves,
so it might also be worth using the thicker sheetrock.  Some people
put aluminum foil which is very good for microwave reflection.

Bill

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:40 AM, quaixemen <scollier@...> wrote:

>   I think Bill Bruno was right in something he said to me about my
> faraday cage. I've noticed now that the best room in my house has
> actually three boxes that are grounded separately. When I was
> remodeling my house and changing the sheet rock and the insulation
> there were some rooms in my house that were so bad that I put chicken
> wire in between the studs and the sheet rock. I did this in my
> bedroom because that is where the electrical box is at. It's not
> even on an outside wall. It's on an inner wall in a small closet
> like room. Not only did I put the chicken wire on that wall but on
> some other portions of walls as well in that room. So I have
> grounded aluminum siding. Then I have the chicken wire that is
> grounded. And on top of that wall is a lot more grounding in the
> form of velostat that is also separately grounded. I wish I had done
> the entire room that way but I didn't. I happened to put a recliner
> in that corner where it is shielded that way and I can actually feel
> my body detoxing. I get a slight headache and a clearing in my
> sinuses followed by a slight pain in my kidneys that I get when
> chelating. (Which is why I had to stop chelating. I did it very
> slowly but for such a long period of time I think I still may have
> hurt my kidneys.) The 4 inch studs may be too much room between the
> layers of shielding. The 1/2 spacing works better it would appear.
> The sheet rock which separates the chicken wire on the one side and
> the velostat on the other is 1/2 inch thick. If you are putting up
> shielding in your house. After putting it in and grounding it you
> might want to put in another layer of sheet rock on top of that
> followed by more shielding. I plan on doing this in places in the
> house where I spend most of my time such as in the living room around
> the couch area and around the bed in the bedroom.
>
>
>


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I think Bill Bruno was right in something he said to me about my
faraday cage.  I've noticed now that the best room in my house has
actually three boxes that are grounded separately.  When I was
remodeling my house and changing the sheet rock and the insulation
there were some rooms in my house that were so bad that I put chicken
wire in between the studs and the sheet rock.  I did this in my
bedroom because that is where the electrical box is at.  It's not
even on an outside wall.  It's on an inner wall in a small closet
like room.  Not only did I put the chicken wire on that wall but on
some other portions of walls as well in that room.  So I have
grounded aluminum siding.  Then I have the chicken wire that is
grounded.  And on top of that wall is a lot more grounding in the
form of velostat that is also separately grounded.  I wish I had done
the entire room that way but I didn't.  I happened to put a recliner
in that corner where it is shielded that way and I can actually feel
my body detoxing.  I get a slight headache and a clearing in my
sinuses followed by a slight pain in my kidneys that I get when
chelating.  (Which is why I had to stop chelating.  I did it very
slowly but for such a long period of time I think I still may have
hurt my kidneys.)  The 4 inch studs may be too much room between the
layers of shielding.  The 1/2 spacing works better it would appear.
The sheet rock which separates the chicken wire on the one side and
the velostat on the other is 1/2 inch thick.  If you are putting up
shielding in your house.  After putting it in and grounding it you
might want to put in another layer of sheet rock on top of that
followed by more shielding.  I plan on doing this in places in the
house where I spend most of my time such as in the living room around
the couch area and around the bed in the bedroom.

Hi all,
I'm new and have ES for probably many years but only last year realized.

I'm having probs with my computer. got a newer laptop but can't use it
without a mouse - had an old ball style, PS2 wired one but it doesn't
work with the laptop.  Has anyone found one that works or is there such
thing as a USB mechanical mouse?

I wonder also if anyone knows what the difference btwn the laser &
optical mouses are & if one is safer than the other?
& how to shield.

also find the new external keyboard is more bothersome.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
daisy

If you turn something on you create a 'step function' which has
all frequencies in it.  Plus, the meter may not be too accurate with
transients.

The energy in the pulse is lower if there's less current being turned on
or off.  Hence I put LED bulbs (but not the kind with built in regulators)
for the turn signal of my car...
Bill

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:08 PM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/23/2008 6:16:39 PM GMT Standard Time,
> rticleone@... <rticleone%40yahoo.ca> writes:
>
> And, is there a way to eliminate these RF bursts? Shielding wiring,
> something installed at the fuse box, filters of some sort, or what?
>
> I have noticed this, I had a key ring fob that flashes when a mibile rings
>
> and everytime I switched on the kitchen extract fan it set the thing off
> flashing ! The switch was a sliding type so I guess that when operated it
> gives
> off a burst/surge for a micro second in a broad frequency band perhaps due
> to
> the sudden largely uncontrolled surge that occurs and thus leaks out from
> the
> switch components. it does not bother me on the basis that it only happens
>
> infrequently and so will not cuase chronis effects. It is a fact that if
> you
> hook someone up to a EEG the brain will show itself register the flicking
> of a
> light switch over and above effects on the equipment, we are after all
> equisitely sensitive ES or not.
>
>
> PAUL UK
>
> Paul
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Our next door neighbours have recently installed a new satellite dish.  Sue
is worried that this may be affecting her ES - her head feels more disturbed
on that side of the house.  We can try things out with shielding, but were
wondering - is there documented evidence somewhere of whether and how much a
dish can affect electrosensitives?

Ian




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I have suffered for years a.o. under tachycardia, caused by the negative
effects of pulsed cellular radio waves. When placing a TACHYON -
structured crystal ball at a distance of 80 cm from me, I was able to
experience it's impact on me. The energy of the ball is considerable and
noticeable at a great distance around the ball. Within about 15 minutes
of being in this field my tachycardia had totally calmed down, and could
feel that the ball had also pleasantly effected other bodily functions,
disturbed by the pulsed waves. I had been searching for many years for
adequate methods to protect me against cellular radio waves and to
improve my health. A method that is conform with the effect of the
crystal ball, I had so far not been able to find before until now.

You can find information here in German, there is also a translation in
English available:
http://www.tachyon-station.com/


Best!
Klaus

In a message dated 2/23/2008 6:08:18 PM GMT Standard Time,
prentice_jon@... writes:

still  plenty of room for improvement, at this point fortunately I'm
far from the  nadir of my experience with ES, and of course hoping to
continue in that  general direction.

Jon



Out of interest did the problem eminate from LHS behind jaw ?  Also  has this
effected your work etc...

Paul uk






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In a message dated 2/23/2008 6:16:39 PM GMT Standard Time,
rticleone@... writes:

And,  is there a way to eliminate these RF bursts? Shielding wiring,
something  installed at the fuse box, filters of some sort, or  what?




I have noticed this, I had a key ring fob that flashes when a mibile rings
and everytime I switched on the kitchen extract fan it set the thing off
flashing ! The switch was a sliding type so I guess that when operated it gives
off a burst/surge for a micro second in a broad frequency band perhaps due to
the sudden largely uncontrolled surge that occurs and thus leaks out from the
switch components. it does not bother me on the basis that it only happens
infrequently and so will not cuase chronis effects.  It is a fact that if  you
hook someone up to a EEG the brain will show itself register the flicking of  a
light switch over and above effects on the equipment, we are after all
equisitely sensitive ES or not.


PAUL UK

Paul






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That is quite normal.

And it cannot be avoided.

The switches do make small sparks, and that is what you are measuring.

Those bursts are very short, but because the meter is a bit slow in
reacting, and holds those signals a bit longer, than they appear in reality,
so that way they are registered.

Don't worry about it.

The HF59B has a special item that holds radar signals quite a bit longer, so
they can be measured properly.
Otherwise the bursts are too short for detecting them.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rticleone" <rticleone@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 19:16
Subject: [eSens] RF spikes when turning things on (switches, etc.)?


> Hey everyone,
>
> I've just noticed something that is surprising (to me), and I'm
> wondering if anyone could explain to me what it means, and if it's a
> "normal" occurrence/if anything can be done about it.
>
> Using two Gigahertz Solutions HF Analyzers, one from 800 MHz-2.5 GHz,
> and one from 2.4 GHz-6 GHz, I've noticed radio frequency surges when I
> turn things on and off in the house.
>
> For example, the electric kettle, the bathroom fan, even ordinary
> ceiling lights (with incandescent bulbs in them) or extension cords
> with a switch in the middle of the cord.  Sometimes the RF surges can
> be measured up to five feet away from either the outlet or the switch
> of the device.
>
> In the case of the bathroom fan switch, it's really curious - turning
> it on, the 800 MHz-2.5 GHz meter will show a surge of about 35 uW/m2
> at a few feet away, but turning it OFF will show a surge of over 100
> uW/m2!
>
> I'm possibly missing something obvious, but this is the first time
> I've noticed this, though it probably has happened for quite some time.
>
> Overall, the ambient RF (that's readable within the range of these two
> meters, a total of 800 MHz up to 6 GHz, seems quite good - neither one
> even registers 0.1 uW/m2, thankfully, just walking around the house.
>
> We have no cordless/wireless devices, period (except a phone that's
> long been unplugged with the battery removed).
>
> The only known RF emitting devices I can think of are the two computer
> towers (and they are not using WiFi, nor have wireless networks set
> up, it's just something coming from the inner workings of them, I
> think, and it drops off quickly with distance.
>
> So - what does this mean? Is it "normal" for any electrical surge of
> something being turned on or off to carry radio frequency? Or may this
> indicate (by a means different than using a plug-in microsurge meter)
> that we have "dirty electricity"? Or that something is being
> transferred to our wiring from outside?
>
> And, is there a way to eliminate these RF bursts? Shielding wiring,
> something installed at the fuse box, filters of some sort, or what?
>
> Any advice or information is appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
>
> R.
>

Hey everyone,

I've just noticed something that is surprising (to me), and I'm
wondering if anyone could explain to me what it means, and if it's a
"normal" occurrence/if anything can be done about it.

Using two Gigahertz Solutions HF Analyzers, one from 800 MHz-2.5 GHz,
and one from 2.4 GHz-6 GHz, I've noticed radio frequency surges when I
turn things on and off in the house.

For example, the electric kettle, the bathroom fan, even ordinary
ceiling lights (with incandescent bulbs in them) or extension cords
with a switch in the middle of the cord.  Sometimes the RF surges can
be measured up to five feet away from either the outlet or the switch
of the device.

In the case of the bathroom fan switch, it's really curious - turning
it on, the 800 MHz-2.5 GHz meter will show a surge of about 35 uW/m2
at a few feet away, but turning it OFF will show a surge of over 100
uW/m2!

I'm possibly missing something obvious, but this is the first time
I've noticed this, though it probably has happened for quite some time.

Overall, the ambient RF (that's readable within the range of these two
meters, a total of 800 MHz up to 6 GHz, seems quite good - neither one
even registers 0.1 uW/m2, thankfully, just walking around the house.

We have no cordless/wireless devices, period (except a phone that's
long been unplugged with the battery removed).

The only known RF emitting devices I can think of are the two computer
towers (and they are not using WiFi, nor have wireless networks set
up, it's just something coming from the inner workings of them, I
think, and it drops off quickly with distance.

So - what does this mean? Is it "normal" for any electrical surge of
something being turned on or off to carry radio frequency? Or may this
indicate (by a means different than using a plug-in microsurge meter)
that we have "dirty electricity"? Or that something is being
transferred to our wiring from outside?

And, is there a way to eliminate these RF bursts? Shielding wiring,
something installed at the fuse box, filters of some sort, or what?

Any advice or information is appreciated.

Thanks!

Cheers,

R.