Hi,

I have been taking Zeolite (NCD) for the last 3 weeks and last night I developed
a stinging
tongue and very dry mouth.  Everything I ate or drank stings almost like chilli,
it is very
painful and has carried on throughout the night to today...it is constant.  I
have been drinking
enough fluid throughout the detox, approx 2-2.5 litres per day.

Please can you tell me if anyone has ever heard of anyone taking Zeolite getting
these
reactions or during a detox.  I wondered if it had depleted some essential
vitamins or
minerals?

I take on average 15 drops per day (I started on a lower dose and worked up to
about 18 last
few days)

Any help or advice would be greatfully received as I am pretty concerned.

Thank you,
Alison Williams

Thanks Bill.

I get metal at pretty much cost but I'm not so sure about grain-oriented silicon
steel. At least the guys in the shop will know where to get it. Next logical
question: How do I find out the orientation of the field if it is behind the
wall or otherwise? I know there's a simple answer probably but I'm tired and
confused.

Tanya



To: eSens@...: wbruno@...: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:46:11
-0700Subject: Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal




There is a poor man's mu metal, and it's called grain-oriented siliconsteel.Of
course low frequency magnetic fields are hard to shield well, and oneneeds to
understand where the field lines are going and try to run thegrain in the steel
parallel to the field, to encourage them to follow themetal.If the field is
perpendicular to the wall, it is better to use thickaluminum (or copper,but
aluminum is cheaper) like at least 3/8" thick (still expensive).BillOn Thu, Jan
31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, tanya wilson <end-user@...> wrote:>> Thanks! I will
look into getting some of the bonafida magnetic shielding.>> Sort of on the
subject, I am wondering what I am feeling the effects of> more. I think it might
be the electric field as I have symptoms from highly> electrically charged
things like fluorescents, for example but they don't> seem to register much
magnetic. I heard that magnetic fields might be a> greater health risk though.
It must be wires or pipes in my walls but the> magnetic field registers greater
than the electric.>> Anyone clarify this, perhaps?>> Tanya>> To:
eSens@... <eSens%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:>
lessemf@... <lessemf%40lessemf.comDate>: Fri, 1 Feb 2008> 00:17:04
+0000Subject: Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal>> >Hello eSens.>>Well, I am trying
to block the magnetic field from my wall.> Rather than >fork out for Mu-metal or
Giron from I've gotten some samples of> copper >foil, tin and steel. I am hoping
to create some modular panels> rather >than foil the whole thing. SO far none
seem to be working. I thought> >the steel would work for sure (albeit heavier
than I would have liked) >but> I wonder if the sample is too small. Does anyone
know what metal >would be> ideal? I don't want to bring the whole wall down with
a ton >of lead but if> need be...I have access to a metal shop with all kinds
>of things but, of> course, no Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.>If
there is a> separation between panels will it leak through?>> Do you think if I
make the> panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)>around the panel to create a>
parabola? I heard it won't absorb but >rather divert the field.>>Any>
suggestions? >>TanyaDear Tanya,There are important reasons why the alloys> you
are using won't work. It all has to do with the magnetic permeability of> the
alloy. For a quick understanding of this property, see>
http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-CopperEmil[Non-text portions of> this
message have been removed]>>
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Tanya, I've suffered with high levels of EMF and I don't think you can block
it in the way you suggest.

You could turn off all the electrics not in use at the main.  and switch off
plugs not in use at the wall and remove the plug.  If the source is entirely
within your home and not from outside interference it should help you.

Maureen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal


> >Hello eSens.
> >
> >Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my wall. Rather than
> >fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten some samples of copper
> >foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create some modular panels rather
> >than foil the whole thing. SO far none seem to be working. I thought
> >the steel would work for sure (albeit heavier than I would have liked)
> >but I wonder if the sample is too small. Does anyone know what metal
> >would be ideal? I don't want to bring the whole wall down with a ton
> >of lead but if need be...I have access to a metal shop with all kinds
> >of things but, of course, no Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.
> >If there is a separation between panels will it leak through?
> >
> > Do you think if I make the panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)
> >around the panel to create a parabola? I heard it won't absorb but
> >rather divert the field.
> >
> >Any suggestions?
> >
> >Tanya
>
> Dear Tanya,
>  There are important reasons why the alloys you are using won't work. It
all has to do with the magnetic permeability of the alloy. For a quick
understanding of this property, see
http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-Copper
> Emil
>
>
>
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Hi there,

A thought since you mentioned plumbing - we had very elevated magnetic
fields in our house - some spots on the floor higher than 25 mg! What
we did was install a dielectric coupler - this stopped a great deal of
the current from traveling along the piping - I was amazed at the
results one little piece of metal offered, and it considerably reduced
the levels in most parts of the house - to see what I mean, check out:

http://www.emfservices.com/ground.htm

FWIW, I've generally noticed high magnetic fields from fluorescent
lights, but to varying degrees - really depends, it seems, on the bulb
and whatever is running it.

Maybe check out the plumbing current link above - it would have cost a
fortune to shield the magnetic fields in our house using mu-metal.

Hope this is of some help.

Regards,

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, tanya wilson <end-user@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks! I will look into getting some of the bonafida magnetic
shielding.
>
> Sort of on the subject, I am wondering what I am feeling the effects
of more. I think it might be the electric field as I have symptoms
from highly electrically charged things like fluorescents, for example
but they don't seem to register much magnetic. I heard that magnetic
fields might be a greater health risk though. It must be wires or
pipes in my walls but the magnetic field registers greater than the
electric.
>
> Anyone clarify this, perhaps?
>
> Tanya
>
>
> To: eSens@...: lessemf@...: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:17:04 +0000Subject:
Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal
>
>
>
>
> >Hello eSens.>>Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my
wall. Rather than >fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten
some samples of copper >foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create
some modular panels rather >than foil the whole thing. SO far none
seem to be working. I thought >the steel would work for sure (albeit
heavier than I would have liked) >but I wonder if the sample is too
small. Does anyone know what metal >would be ideal? I don't want to
bring the whole wall down with a ton >of lead but if need be...I have
access to a metal shop with all kinds >of things but, of course, no
Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.>If there is a separation
between panels will it leak through?>> Do you think if I make the
panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)>around the panel to create a
parabola? I heard it won't absorb but >rather divert the field.>>Any
suggestions? >>TanyaDear Tanya,There are important reasons why the
alloys you are using won't work. It all has to do with the magnetic
permeability of the alloy. For a quick understanding of this property,
see http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-CopperEmil[Non-text
portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

There is a poor man's mu metal, and it's called grain-oriented silicon
steel.

Of course low frequency magnetic fields are hard to shield well, and one
needs to understand where the field lines are going and try to run the
grain in the steel parallel to the field, to encourage them to follow the
metal.

If the field is perpendicular to the wall, it is better to use thick
aluminum (or copper,
but aluminum is cheaper) like at least 3/8" thick (still expensive).

Bill

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 5:34 PM, tanya wilson <end-user@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks! I will look into getting some of the bonafida magnetic shielding.
>
> Sort of on the subject, I am wondering what I am feeling the effects of
> more. I think it might be the electric field as I have symptoms from highly
> electrically charged things like fluorescents, for example but they don't
> seem to register much magnetic. I heard that magnetic fields might be a
> greater health risk though. It must be wires or pipes in my walls but the
> magnetic field registers greater than the electric.
>
> Anyone clarify this, perhaps?
>
> Tanya
>
> To: eSens@... <eSens%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:
> lessemf@... <lessemf%40lessemf.comDate>: Fri, 1 Feb 2008
> 00:17:04 +0000Subject: Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal
>
> >Hello eSens.>>Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my wall.
> Rather than >fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten some samples of
> copper >foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create some modular panels
> rather >than foil the whole thing. SO far none seem to be working. I thought
> >the steel would work for sure (albeit heavier than I would have liked) >but
> I wonder if the sample is too small. Does anyone know what metal >would be
> ideal? I don't want to bring the whole wall down with a ton >of lead but if
> need be...I have access to a metal shop with all kinds >of things but, of
> course, no Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.>If there is a
> separation between panels will it leak through?>> Do you think if I make the
> panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)>around the panel to create a
> parabola? I heard it won't absorb but >rather divert the field.>>Any
> suggestions? >>TanyaDear Tanya,There are important reasons why the alloys
> you are using won't work. It all has to do with the magnetic permeability of
> the alloy. For a quick understanding of this property, see
> http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-CopperEmil[Non-text portions of
> this message have been removed]
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Thanks! I will look into getting some of the bonafida magnetic shielding.

Sort of on the subject, I am wondering what I am feeling the effects of more. I
think it might be the electric field as I have symptoms from highly electrically
charged things like fluorescents, for example but they don't seem to register
much magnetic. I heard that magnetic fields might be a greater health risk
though. It must be wires or pipes in my walls but the magnetic field registers
greater than the electric.

Anyone clarify this, perhaps?

Tanya


To: eSens@...: lessemf@...: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:17:04
+0000Subject: Re: [eSens] poor man's Mu-metal




>Hello eSens.>>Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my wall.
Rather than >fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten some samples of
copper >foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create some modular panels rather
>than foil the whole thing. SO far none seem to be working. I thought >the steel
would work for sure (albeit heavier than I would have liked) >but I wonder if
the sample is too small. Does anyone know what metal >would be ideal? I don't
want to bring the whole wall down with a ton >of lead but if need be...I have
access to a metal shop with all kinds >of things but, of course, no Magnetic
Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.>If there is a separation between panels will
it leak through?>> Do you think if I make the panel I should wrap the foil (or
sheet)>around the panel to create a parabola? I heard it won't absorb but
>rather divert the field.>>Any suggestions? >>TanyaDear Tanya,There are
important reasons why the alloys you are using won't work. It all has to do with
the magnetic permeability of the alloy. For a quick understanding of this
property, see http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-CopperEmil[Non-text
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>Hello eSens.
>
>Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my wall. Rather than
>fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten some samples of copper
>foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create some modular panels rather
>than foil the whole thing. SO far none seem to be working. I thought
>the steel would work for sure (albeit heavier than I would have liked)
>but I wonder if the sample is too small. Does anyone know what metal
>would be ideal? I don't want to bring the whole wall down with a ton
>of lead but if need be...I have access to a metal shop with all kinds
>of things but, of course, no Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.
>If there is a separation between panels will it leak through?
>
> Do you think if I make the panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)
>around the panel to create a parabola? I heard it won't absorb but
>rather divert the field.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Tanya

Dear Tanya,
  There are important reasons why the alloys you are using won't work. It all has
to do with the magnetic permeability of the alloy. For a quick understanding of
this property, see http://www.lessemf.com/faq-shie.html#Lead-Copper
Emil



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Hello eSens.

Well, I am trying to block the magnetic field from my wall. Rather than
fork out for Mu-metal or Giron from I've gotten some samples of copper
foil, tin and steel. I am hoping to create some modular panels rather
than foil the whole thing. SO far none seem to be working.  I thought
the steel would work for sure (albeit heavier than I would have liked)
but I wonder if the sample is too small. Does anyone know what metal
would be ideal?  I don't want to bring the whole wall down with a ton
of lead but if need be...I have access to a metal shop with all kinds
of things but, of course, no Magnetic Shielding Foil or Giron, per say.
If there is a separation between panels will it leak through?

  Do you think if I make the panel I should wrap the foil (or sheet)
around the panel to create a parabola? I heard it won't absorb but
rather divert the field.

Any suggestions?

Tanya

Heavenly Heat sauna is the one the AEHF sells that is affilliated with the EHCD.
(Sorry I think I was calling this the EHDC before!  :)  )

   Diane

scollier@... wrote:
           There are yahoo groups that can answer your questions. There is
someone in one of those groups who really rails against infra-red saunas because
of outgassing and other reasons. He sells his own brand called Heavenly Heat
Saunas. I find that infra red is pretty safe for me. I use smart home technology
and use infra red remotes throught the house. I have infra red heaters as well.
I do also have an infra red sauna which I rarely use any more but at one time
used it quite a bit. I stopped when after doing exercise on my work out
equipment to stir up the toxins and get them mobilized I would then go into my
sauna and sweat. it made me feel pretty good but it also made me flunk my
physical as both dehydration from the sauna and heavy workouts caused me to have
protein in my urine on a DOT ;physical and almost wrecked my driving career. I
use my infra red heaters quite a bit when it starts to get cold. But I noticed
after awhile I was getting sensitive to the infra red
  as well. But fort awhile it should feel really good.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Infra-red Saunas

> Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an Infra-red sauna. I
mentioned it to my
> boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because of all the
electricity and
> lights etc.

I have not used one, but I tend to agree with your boyfriend!

A traditional sauna or steam room may work out fine for you, if
you can find one locally to try out. Even a hot tub, although
these are typically loaded with chemicals...

Marc

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>   Also, don't you think we need to have liver detox pathway tests before
>   taking the chelators?

If you like to tests, you certainly could do that... however, trying
very small doses and testing for bad reactions is cheaper (and probably
more accurate)

It's always a good idea to not overdo the detox -- if you feel bad,
stop (or slow down).

Marc

Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:          > Can anyone tell me if it is
ok for an ES to use an Infra-red sauna. I mentioned it to my
> boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because of all the
electricity and
> lights etc.

I have not used one, but I tend to agree with your boyfriend!

A traditional sauna or steam room may work out fine for you, if
you can find one locally to try out. Even a hot tub, although
these are typically loaded with chemicals...

Marc





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Hi Marc and All,

   Also, don't you think we need to have liver detox pathway tests before taking
the chelators?  I am asking because I know you (and I and others) suffer such
bad symptoms with any chelators and detox regimes.  I have begun to think it is
probably not a good idea to be trying to over-do detoxing if your liver is not
handling it well.

   Diane

Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
           > I have started using Zeolite and it is doing 'something', I feel
detox symptoms so I presume it
> is working. I have been told about HMD and wondered if anyone knew whether you
could
> take them together? I would like to try them both but not sure if I am
supposed to... I would
> start on a low dose etc.

You certainly CAN take two chelators in parallel, but you should of course make
sure that you don't have a bad reaction due to overdoing it.

Marc





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Hi, Alison,

   I have wondered the same.  I was in touch with Dr Rae's people at the EHDC and
they use them in their program and seemed to indicate that it was ok for me (I
mentioned I have ES).  They said if I came there that is what they would have me
use.  I have not personally bought one yet nor used one, so I can't say
definitely.  It was 2 years ago when I called the EHDC and so things also may
have changed from their thinking.  I still use epsom salts baths for detoxing
instead.  If you get one, they sell one out of the bookstore which is
affilliated with the EHDC which is good for those of us who have to watch
outgassing, etc.  You do not want to get a cedar one or one which would have
noxious vapors.

   Diane

ajwelectro <ajwelectro@...> wrote:
           Hi again,

Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an Infra-red sauna. I mentioned
it to my
boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because of all the
electricity and
lights etc. If it is ok to use, he may get me one to use at home. Does anyone
know how they
work? and what effects they have on ES individuals? I have heard they are really
goodfor the
detox but want to be sure they are tolerated. Maybe it is different for
everyone.

Sorry for all the questions but I am trying to keep motivated!

Thanks,
Alison






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> Less EMF - thanks for the MU cord info.
> 1) What is the precise diameter of the MU cord?
> 2)  Can you supply instructions on how to wire apparently 5core Mu
> cord to a 3 pin Uu plug?

MuCord has a diameter of 1/4 inch (6 mm)

Of the 5 wires, at each end you twist together the 2 white wires, then twist
together the 2 black wires. That gives you "1" white, "1" black, plus the
remaining ground wire.

I have attached detailed instructions with pctures to your e-mail address,
and would be happy to send the same to anyone else who might be interested.

Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
www.lessemf.com

To Bill Bruno, Paul and Less EMF

Thanks for your posts in hoovers, I live in Southern England - don't
know what Wye Power is or whether I have it around here.

The hoover is currently wired with 2core cable - i.e. there is no
earth connection on the hoover.  So it's not clear where one would
attach the earth wore of 3core shielded cable to.

I've rewired lamps using brass lamp holders which have an earth pin.

Other appliances with no obvious earth connection are trickier.

Less EMF - thanks for the MU cord info.
1) What is the precise diameter of the MU cord?
2)  Can you supply instructions on how to wire apparently 5core Mu
cord to a 3 pin Uu plug?


Many Thanks











--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "gprince01" <gprince01@...> wrote:
>
> I'm very ES.  I have had my house rewired in screened cable which
> really helps.  But I'd like to be able to do the hoovering.
>
> I've made extension leads out of screened cable and also rewired table
> lamps with it.
>
> However, i am a bit worrieed about rewiring a hoover.  One would also
> need to surround the motor in some form of earthed shielding.
>
> Can any one help?
>
> What i need is a nice sympathetic electrician.
>

There are yahoo groups that can answer your questions.  There is someone in one
of those groups who really rails against infra-red saunas because of outgassing
and other reasons.  He sells his own brand called Heavenly Heat Saunas.  I find
that infra red is pretty safe for me.  I use smart home technology and use infra
red remotes throught the house.  I have infra red heaters as well.  I do also
have an infra red sauna which I rarely use any more but at one time used it
quite a bit.  I stopped when after doing exercise on my work out equipment to
stir up the toxins and get them mobilized I would then go into my sauna and
sweat.  it made me feel pretty good but it also made me flunk my physical as
both dehydration from the sauna and heavy workouts caused me to have protein in
my urine on a DOT ;physical and almost wrecked my driving career.  I use my
infra red heaters quite a bit when it starts to get cold.  But I noticed after
awhile I was getting sensitive to the infra red as well.  But fort awhile it
should feel really good.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marc Martin
   To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:38 AM
   Subject: Re: [eSens] Infra-red Saunas


   > Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an Infra-red sauna. I
mentioned it to my
   > boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because of all the
electricity and
   > lights etc.

   I have not used one, but I tend to agree with your boyfriend!

   A traditional sauna or steam room may work out fine for you, if
   you can find one locally to try out. Even a hot tub, although
   these are typically loaded with chemicals...

   Marc





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> Look at greenmachineshop.com
>
> and tell me what you think!

In the past, I have considered buying a PC from
this site, but instead did nothing.  :-)

They do at least attempt to shield the computers,
plus use less toxic components, so you might
have less problems with offgassing.

If you buy a computer from them, I'd be interested
in hearing about your experience!

Marc

Look at greenmachineshop.com

and tell me what you think!

Katrina

> Thanks Marc, we actually have a 'hot-tub' which Adrian
> switched off for me and drained so that it wasnt
> causing me any problems. How funny, maybe I have to
> get him to refill!!

I think the heat and steam probably offset the electricity
they use... the chemicals can be problematic though --
one might be better off just taking a hot bath... :-)

> Thanks,  also, I am going to get the HMD and give it a
> go.

Let us know - I tried HMD once, but didn't feel that
it was as beneficial as NDF.

Marc

Hi

I have a MAC as it is better for my job.  One thing I
will say is that I have a MAC that has everything
within the screen so no 'tower', after I got this last
year, my symptoms got much worse and at one point I
could not stand 3 minutes in front of the screen. Now
I am better within the house, it is ok for about 3-4
hours but I may switch to a 'MAC mini' and run a wire
to a screen which should lessen the EMFs.

When MAC switched over to Intel, I got a laptop and
one for Adrian.  Both have since lost hard-drives and
data - so initally they did have issues.  I have never
had a reliability probelm with a MAC in 10 years and
personally feel they are infinitely better than PCs
and I do believe they now have the intel thing sorted.

Hope that helps,
Alison


--- Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> > I've been asking about the MAC in general with
> different responses.
>  > Such as that it is less virus prone, great for
> audio, and some other
> > ways, but incompatible with alot of programs.
> (Nice Circuit City
>  > geek told me this). What do you think of this?
>
> It depends on what you are looking for in a
> computer.  I owned Macs
> for about 10 years, but switched to PCs after that.
> Although Macs
> are supposed to be reliable, the Macs I purchased
> were anything
> but, and I had to deal with hard drive crashes,
> software incompatible
> with the version of the operating system I had (this
> is still true,
> as in the last decade Macs have gone from 680xxx
> chips to PowerPC
> chips to Intel chips), lack of cheap/free software
> choices, etc.
> I'm much happier with the PC, although the operating
> system doesn't
> have nearly as much gloss and eye candy as the Macs
> do.
>
> But from ES standpoint?  Laptops can be bad because
> all of the
> components are right underneath your fingertips.  At
> least with
> a desktop/tower, you can move things away from you.
>
> Marc
>



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Thanks Marc, we actually have a 'hot-tub' which Adrian
switched off for me and drained so that it wasnt
causing me any problems. How funny, maybe I have to
get him to refill!!

Thanks,  also, I am going to get the HMD and give it a
go.

Greatful for the advice.
Alison


--- Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> > Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an
> Infra-red sauna.  I mentioned it to my
> > boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to
> use it because of all the electricity and
> > lights etc.
>
> I have not used one, but I tend to agree with your
> boyfriend!
>
> A traditional sauna or steam room may work out fine
> for you, if
> you can find one locally to try out.  Even a hot
> tub, although
> these are typically loaded with chemicals...
>
> Marc
>



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Whatever model you choose, be sure it has a no haggle return
policy. You may have to evaluate several models before
you find a PC that doesn't produce harmonics that may bother you.
Then keep your distance, shield and limit your usage to prevent
further sensitivities.
Eli

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/computer.html

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "kattemayo" <kattemayo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Regarding a computer, I wonder what the current safest style and
brand seem to be for Esens members.
>
> Tho I use them elsewhere, I have hobbled along at home only with
WEBTV, MSNTV, all of these years. So, know next to nothing about
choosing one.
>
> I do want a Laptop for mobility, but interested in tower options
also. I do community organizing, research, and communications and
would like to have competitive capabilities, features. Recent work
was severely hindered by not having this.
>
> So, feedback on screens, brands, etc. plus the capabilities greatly
appreciated.
>
> I did not get the link yet on the non-magnetic mac and wonder about
that type.
>
> Is shielding still as random and individual as always, or are there
some products and ways that work for most?
>
> Also, would asking a friend who builds computers at home, and said
he would do so be worth the effort? I don't think he is specifically
ES aware, tho we discussed it...are there things he could do to make
it safer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Katrina
>

I've been using a Finnish sauna for a year now. The advantage
over infrared is that the Finnish heater can be turned off
after the sauna has been heated. Warm it up to 140 degrees or so then
sweat.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "ajwelectro" <ajwelectro@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an Infra-red
sauna.  I mentioned it to my
> boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because
of all the electricity and
> lights etc. If it is ok to use, he may get me one to use at home.
Does anyone know how they
> work? and what effects they have on ES individuals?  I have heard
they are really goodfor the
> detox but want to be sure they are tolerated.  Maybe it is
different for everyone.
>
> Sorry for all the questions but I am trying to keep motivated!
>
> Thanks,
> Alison
>

> Can anyone tell me if it is ok for an ES to use an Infra-red sauna.  I
mentioned it to my
> boyfriend last night and he said I would be mad to use it because of all the
electricity and
> lights etc.

I have not used one, but I tend to agree with your boyfriend!

A traditional sauna or steam room may work out fine for you, if
you can find one locally to try out.  Even a hot tub, although
these are typically loaded with chemicals...

Marc

> I've been asking about the MAC in general with different responses.
  > Such as that it is less virus prone, great for audio, and some other
> ways, but incompatible with alot of programs. (Nice Circuit City
  > geek told me this). What do you think of this?

It depends on what you are looking for in a computer.  I owned Macs
for about 10 years, but switched to PCs after that.  Although Macs
are supposed to be reliable, the Macs I purchased were anything
but, and I had to deal with hard drive crashes, software incompatible
with the version of the operating system I had (this is still true,
as in the last decade Macs have gone from 680xxx chips to PowerPC
chips to Intel chips), lack of cheap/free software choices, etc.
I'm much happier with the PC, although the operating system doesn't
have nearly as much gloss and eye candy as the Macs do.

But from ES standpoint?  Laptops can be bad because all of the
components are right underneath your fingertips.  At least with
a desktop/tower, you can move things away from you.

Marc

> I have started using Zeolite and it is doing 'something', I feel detox
symptoms so I presume it
> is working.  I have been told about HMD and wondered if anyone knew whether
you could
> take them together?  I would like to try them both but not sure if I am
supposed to... I would
> start on a low dose etc.

You certainly CAN take two chelators in parallel, but you should of course make
sure that you don't have a bad reaction due to overdoing it.

Marc

Hello Katrina,

I wish I knew of someone who has one. You will be the first. I am deeply
interested to know how it works for you. Whatever bugs you might encounter will
most likely be diminished relative to the possible ES benefits of the Flash
Drive. I'm not sensitive to be bothered by newer computers but I sure am excited
to hear how all the stuff you are getting will work out. If the MAC Air is as
good as it looks I am jealous already. Good luck and keep us posted.

Tanya


To: eSens@...: kattemayo@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008
09:46:29 +0000Subject: [eSens] Re: Computers, Laptop or Tower




Hi Tanya,I've been asking about the MAC in general with different responses.
Such as that it is less virus prone, great for audio, and some other ways, but
incompatible with alot of programs. (Nice Circuit City geek told me this). What
do you think of this?This is money I have to spend down, like in 2 days, so not
sure how I could wait for the 6 months. Plus, I need a computer now. Even tho I
like your idea.I may have to return some things I get, it they're too
disruptive, health or function wise.Thanks,Katrina--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com,
tanya wilson <end-user@...> wrote:>> > Regarding the laptop:> If it's possible,
I might wait on the Mac and go with the first follower in 6months. It's the
first of it's kind. The basic model is $2G and very soon the price point will go
down and the quality will go up. No good feedback on the iphone thus far, all
e-sensitive issues aside. I don't know the specifics but the general trend would
indicate holding off on buying anything first in it's field regardless of how
good it sounds. > > > To: eSens@...: kattemayo@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:45:59
+0000Subject: [eSens] Computers, Laptop or Tower> > > > > Regarding a computer,
I wonder what the current safest style and brand seem to be for Esens
members.Tho I use them elsewhere, I have hobbled along at home only with WEBTV,
MSNTV, all of these years. So, know next to nothing about choosing one.I do want
a Laptop for mobility, but interested in tower options also. I do community
organizing, research, and communications and would like to have competitive
capabilities, features. Recent work was severely hindered by not having this.So,
feedback on screens, brands, etc. plus the capabilities greatly appreciated.I
did not get the link yet on the non-magnetic mac and wonder about that type.Is
shielding still as random and individual as always, or are there some products
and ways that work for most?Also, would asking a friend who builds computers at
home, and said he would do so be worth the effort? I don't think he is
specifically ES aware, tho we discussed it...are there things he could do to
make it safer?Thanks,Katrina > > > > > > >
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HI Katrina,

If you need to use Windows software you can use a Mac and either Boot
Camp or Parallels software, they both allow you to install Window OS
and run Windows.

Boot Camp restricts you to being in only one OS at a time, you have
to restart the computer to switch between Mac and Windows OS, but
Parallels can be run alongside the Mac OS.

If you want to do this be sure you make sure you buy a Mac that
supports these programs (I'm not sure buy a lower-end Mac may not)
and get a lot of RAM, as both systems need it.

Christy

On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:46 AM, kattemayo wrote:

>
>
> Hi Tanya,
>
> I've been asking about the MAC in general with different responses.
> Such as that it is less virus prone, great for audio, and some
> other ways, but incompatible with alot of programs. (Nice Circuit
> City geek told me this). What do you think of this?
>
> This is money I have to spend down, like in 2 days, so not sure how
> I could wait for the 6 months. Plus, I need a computer now. Even
> tho I like your idea.
>
> I may have to return some things I get, it they're too disruptive,
> health or function wise.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Katrina
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, tanya wilson <end-user@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Regarding the laptop:
> > If it's possible, I might wait on the Mac and go with the first
> follower in 6months. It's the first of it's kind. The basic model
> is $2G and very soon the price point will go down and the quality
> will go up. No good feedback on the iphone thus far, all e-
> sensitive issues aside. I don't know the specifics but the general
> trend would indicate holding off on buying anything first in it's
> field regardless of how good it sounds.
> >
> >
> > To: eSens@...: kattemayo@...: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:45:59
> +0000Subject: [eSens] Computers, Laptop or Tower
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding a computer, I wonder what the current safest style and
> brand seem to be for Esens members.Tho I use them elsewhere, I have
> hobbled along at home only with WEBTV, MSNTV, all of these years.
> So, know next to nothing about choosing one.I do want a Laptop for
> mobility, but interested in tower options also. I do community
> organizing, research, and communications and would like to have
> competitive capabilities, features. Recent work was severely
> hindered by not having this.So, feedback on screens, brands, etc.
> plus the capabilities greatly appreciated.I did not get the link
> yet on the non-magnetic mac and wonder about that type.Is shielding
> still as random and individual as always, or are there some
> products and ways that work for most?Also, would asking a friend
> who builds computers at home, and said he would do so be worth the
> effort? I don't think he is specifically ES aware, tho we discussed
> it...are there things he could do to make it safer?Thanks,Katrina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>



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In a message dated 1/29/2008 2:29:48 PM GMT Standard Time, wbruno@...
writes:

I  remember a list of least dangerous/EMFs, but don't know where I saw
>  that.
> Is a wave/tube earpiece still a good idea. Does speakerphone  make a
> difference?
>
> Katrina
>
>



try belkin airtube of lessemf airtube handsfree kit plus sheild in front of
phone, or maybe carphone externall ariel ie to rear of car roof ?

paul uk






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I used speaker phone mode for a while.  It's a big improvement but probably
still does some damage.

LessEMF sells some bags shielded on one side.  I've heard of someone
putting the phone outside the house and running some kind of cable to it
but he's an electrical engineer....

Bill

On Jan 28, 2008 5:56 PM, kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

>
> Another new endeavor, tho I have used other people's. I would like the
> ability, tho I've had to limit use before, and cannot stand to be near them
> for long. Challenging of course, since they are everywhere. I would like
> features, and need one for travel and long distance family contact,
> especially with aging parents.
>
> Fortunately I don't live right by cell towers (or WiFi, *so far*), but
> this is all increasing, too.
>
> Same questions about shielding, also about storage, carrying...any special
> protections/containers.
>
> I remember a list of least dangerous/EMFs, but don't know where I saw
> that.
> Is a wave/tube earpiece still a good idea. Does speakerphone make a
> difference?
>
> Katrina
>
>
>


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