-
I have not been to the group in some time.  So I am sorry if I make
some mistake here in my reply.  Isn't zeolite supposed to be like
clay?  Clay is supposed to be useful in removing electrical
sensitivity and radiation.  I have been taking clay baths about five
days a week for about 9 months now.  There are groups that are
helpful if you want to do that.  One is eytonsearth.





-- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "jbbolden24" <jbbolden24@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone this is John. I don't post here often, but I browse
the
> messages from time to time, and I had to ask everyone a question.
As
> you all know, I have a stubborn case of ES that seems to never get
too
> much worse, but it never seems to get better either.
>
> The funny thing is, when I sleep at night, my body seems to be able
to
> recuperate and do some healing.  However, as the day progresses, it
> never gets too far beyond that.
>
> I have constant pain coming from my buccal nerve in the upper part
of
> my gums; however, I think the whole trigeminal nerve in my head, as
> well as my central nervous system, has become ES sensitive.
>
> I have tried everything possible to get rid of my ES, and nothing
has
> really worked.  The only time I get relief, is when I either go to
> sleep at night, go outside, or take a shower full of hot steam.
>
> I have been driving myself crazy trying to figure out how to stop
this
> problem.  The only thing that I haven't tried is liquid zeolite.  I
> remember Marc Martin saying something to me about this a long time
ago.
>
> I am about to try it.  What I wanted to know, was is all zeolite the
> same?  Should I only buy liquid zeolite from the company waioria, or
> would it also be the same if I bought it from the company at this
website:
>
> http://www.zeolitesupplement.com/index.htm
>
> Somebody please get back to me so  that I can make my choice.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>

> does anyone have any recommendations for good sounding, inexpensive,
> fairly accurate speakers which wouldn't put out a big EMF/AC/RF field

I use Cambridge Soundworks MicroWorks II, which has a subwoofer plus
two speakers, and sounds good to me.  I don't get the impression that
any speaker system bothers me nearly as much as the computer monitor.
Headphones however can be problematic, although my Grado SR60's
aren't too bad.

Marc

Hmmm, I do still enjoy listening to some music while I'm on the
computer, or compiling tracks for mp3/CD - however, I'm averse to
using headphones for this, as they probably pick up all of RFI from
the PC, and act like an antenna overall -

does anyone have any recommendations for good sounding, inexpensive,
fairly accurate speakers which wouldn't put out a big EMF/AC/RF field
(certainly less than headphones right on my head)?

I was looking at something like these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/M-Audio-Studiophile-AV20-Studio-Monitor-Speaker-Pair_W0QQite\
mZ170180089247QQihZ007QQcategoryZ47093QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Or these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/M-Audio-Studio-Pro-3-Monitors_W0QQitemZ300184156543QQihZ020Q\
QcategoryZ47093QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Both are "magnetically shielded" - I understand that probably just
means shielded strictly magnetically, not electromagnetically, so as
to avoid wiping out data and making rainbow colors on monitors, but
still...

Any advice or personal experience with anything that anyone has would
be great.  Thanks!

R.

Becky Inbody wrote:
> I purchased the springlife OM polarizer and it's a pretty heavy device.
  > I was going to wear it around my neck, but after receiving it, I realized
  > it might be too heavy to wear.  I plan on just keeping it in my pocket.
  > Does anybody know, will wearing it in my pocket give me the same positive
> results as wearing it around my neck?  What is the best way to wear this
device?

It does work when worn in a pants/shirt pocket.  I think it is stronger if
it makes direct skin contact, so sometimes I may clip it on the inside of
my pants or shirt or watchband.  However, I think ones runs a higher risk
of losing it that way!

Also, if you are stationary, you can just place it somewhere near you or
on the nearest source of EMF.  This is good if you are using the computer,
watching TV, or sleeping.  When I was doing my initial experiments, it
seemed to me that the OM pendant had a range of about 7 feet.

Also, you may find that wearing the pendant all day and all night is
overdoing it (adverse side effects), so you may want to reserve your
use of it to those times when you really need it (e.g., high EMF
environments)

Marc

I purchased the springlife OM polarizer and it's a pretty heavy device.  I was
going to wear it around my neck, but after receiving it, I realized it might be
too heavy to wear.  I plan on just keeping it in my pocket.  Does anybody know,
will wearing it in my pocket give me the same positive results as wearing it
around my neck?  What is the best way to wear this device?

Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:          > Anyway, I have tried the
stetzer
> filters, the earthcalm necklace and office plug, and the QLink. I
> haven't had any luck with these, I'm wondering if anybody has had any
> suggestions of protection devices to try.

Did you have no reaction to these devices at all? That is, there
was no improvement at all and no negative side effects?

At work I alternate & combine Springlife Polarizers and Quantum
Products devices. This works for me. I have experimented in
the past with all the ones that you've tried -- the Q-Link did
nothing (or virtually nothing), the Earthcalm necklace was intolerable
for me to wear for more than a few hours at a time, the Earthcalm
plugin was more tolerable but still didn't solve my EMF problems, and
the Stetzer filters cause me piercing headaches.

(to be more specific, at work I use the Springlife OM pendant,
the Quantum power conditioner, the Quantum Byte software, and
the Quantum Home -- but not all at the same time)

Marc





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Good question,
pops up also on other forums.
and it is a good thing people ask such a questions
in forums, before they separate them selfs
from there ( may be not so abundant available amount of ) money.


All Zeolite are not the same,
if you talk about the solid forms, there are to begin with,
natural and also synthetic Zeolites.

About the Liquid Zeolites sold as supplement.
al sorts have one thing in common:
They are CRAP.
There is no such a thing as LIQUID ZEOLITE,
it's a volcanic rock found at the sea bottom;
if that survived years of seawater beating, how do those
snake oil sellers are gonna make that liquid?

And how will this mineral hold it's very specific adsorption capacity?
It's is gonna lose those special properties if you dissolve
it in an acid or something.

Convince your self : Go to Pub Med
and try to search for one  ( like in 1 ) research paper
were benefits of "Liquid Zeolite "  is discussed.
... Non found, how strange.

Nuff said,

Grts
Bruno M.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I am about to try it.  What I wanted to know, was is all zeolite the
> > same?  Should I only buy liquid zeolite from the company waioria, or
> > would it also be the same if I bought it from the company at this
> > website:
> >
> > http://www.zeolitesupplement.com/index.htm
>
> I haven't seen much in the way of comparisons between the various
> zeolite supplements on the market.  Certainly most people are
> taking the Waioria version, but that of course doesn't mean it
> is the best!  I've only tried two companies zeolite formulas,
> Waioria and Denali, and had equally bad reactions to both.  :-(
>
> Marc
>

Daniel, Thank you so much for your suggestion for
www.planetthrive.com!  I will check and see.
Christine



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "danielferres" <danielferres@...> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe in the  www.planetthrive.com community you can try to find a
> similar child.
> This community joins people recovering from environmental and other
> chronic illnesses, including MCS, Lyme, Electrosensitivity,...
>
> Daniel
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "eleccentric" <eleccentric@> wrote:
> >
> > My 8 yr old emf sensitive child has repeatedly expressed a desire
for
> > someone of approximate like age and situation to correspond
with.  Do
> > any of you have an emf sensitive child who might enjoy an emf
sensitive
> > pen-pal?  Does anyone know if there is a website/group
established for
> > emf sensitive children?  What better way to get public attention
to the
> > issue than to let our children speak for themselves???  Thank
you,
> > Christine
> >
>

Hello Marc,

I would like to place some remarks here.

1. It is not a study, but a composition of data obtained from
questionnaires.

2. There is no conclusion given, nor can one be drawn.

3. Through the many hundreds of building biological house surveys I have
done, I found by measurements, that in most cases, the sources found were
quite different from those thought by the inhabitants.
So, without proper measuring, the given sources in the questionnaire are
disputable.

4. So the sources that weaken the immune system directly can be different
from the small one, that lets the immune system explode..
So for example some *dirty power* may weaken the immune system, and some HF
radiation from a GSM mast may trigger the *overflow*.

5. The reactions any electrosensible experiences when exposed to elektrosmog
(NF / HF) can be measured on the body, without any questioning him/her.
And real electrosensibles may react already to very weak fields.

6. I am now playing and experiencing with a low frequency spectrumanalyser,
and am astonished by the amount of low to VLF frequencies which are in the
body.

7. Furthermore, I am considering my theory, that it is not the electrical or
magnetic fields that are hurting the EHS, but the accompanying frequencies,
and this rerlated to the *biological windows* of each person.
How else is it explainable, that an electrosensible person is NOT hindered
by a strong DECT phone signal, but WELL by a very weak other DECT signal.

Int J Radiat Biol. 2008 Jan;84(1):69-79.
Effect of 7, 14 and 21 Hz modulated 450 MHz microwave radiation on human
electroencephalographic rhythms.
Hinrikus H, Bachmann M, Lass J, Tomson R, Tuulik V.
In this study, the 450 MHz carrier wave remained the same, but did not have
effects, but the lowfrequency modulations of 7, 14 and 21 Hz did.

The lowfrequency pulse rates are the main attackers, not the high frequency
carrier waves.

When somebody is using his mobile on another floor, an EHS person may not
react, but when I make the modulations audible, they have instant reactions.

So, a lot has to be clarified.

Many scientists rule that EHS cannot exist.
For me EHS is a reality, only I question *what makes them tick?*

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 20:11
Subject: [eSens] EHS in the Netherlands, new survey results


> Hi all,
>
> In the files area of this group, I've added a new 20-page
> survey results titled "EHS in the Netherlands".  You can
> find this via this link:
>
>  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/
>
> Look for "EHS_in_the_Netherlands.pdf"
>
> Marc
>

Hi all,

In the files area of this group, I've added a new 20-page
survey results titled "EHS in the Netherlands".  You can
find this via this link:

   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/files/

Look for "EHS_in_the_Netherlands.pdf"

Marc

I was in San Francisco during the 1989 earthquake. Had rather severe

inexplicable ES symptoms (especially fatigue) for at least three or

four hours prior to quake.


John Lankes


-- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>
> from http://www.interferencetechnology.com/emcnews/id1411
>
> Stanford University researcher believes that large earthquakes can
be
> predicted by detecting ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves
days or
> even weeks before they take place. Antony Fraser-Smith, emeritus
professor
> of electrical engineering and geophysics, has long been interested
in
> electromagnetic signals, most of which come from space where they
are
> generated in the upper atmosphere by the sun and then beamed down
to Earth.
> In 1989 Fraser-Smith and his research team were monitoring such
waves in the
> Yorba Linda Mountains. On October 5, 1989 their monitoring equipment
> detected a large signal, which stayed constant for the next 12
days. The
> radio wave spiked at 2 p.m. on October 17, increasing in magnitude
by 20 or
> 30 times. The Loma Prieta earthquake struck three hours later at
5:04 p.m.,
> inflicting 63 fatalities and extensive damage across the San
Francisco and
> Monterey Bay regions.
>
>
> Fraser-Smith concedes that because background EM waves would mask
signals
> from small quakes, only significant quakes of 7.0 or above could be
> detected. Since it is precisely those quakes that cause the most
damage,
> forewarnings could prove invaluable. He has called for federal
funding to
> place 30 ultra-low-frequency monitoring equipment in 30 earthquake-
prone
> locations around the globe. Find more details on this research on
the
> Stanford University website at
> http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/2007/pr-agufraser-010908.html.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Emil DeToffol
> Less EMF Inc.
> tel: +1-518-432-1550
> fax: +1-309-422-4355
> www.lessemf.com
>

> I am about to try it.  What I wanted to know, was is all zeolite the
> same?  Should I only buy liquid zeolite from the company waioria, or
> would it also be the same if I bought it from the company at this
> website:
>
> http://www.zeolitesupplement.com/index.htm

I haven't seen much in the way of comparisons between the various
zeolite supplements on the market.  Certainly most people are
taking the Waioria version, but that of course doesn't mean it
is the best!  I've only tried two companies zeolite formulas,
Waioria and Denali, and had equally bad reactions to both.  :-(

Marc

> Were those measurements with music playing?  If so it's probably
> the magnets in the speakers.
>
> I personally don't like the idea of having audio frequency fields near my
> head.  I have felt that phones are a problem, but not sure if it's the
> audio
> frequencies or high frequency noise on the line (which is tough to filter
> out).


You can use the Air Tube Headsets (if your audio device has a 2.5mm jack for
headsets) to eliminate speaker emissions near the head. They are not stereo
however. You can use 2 of them with a Y-adapter, but still only get mono
sound. See http://www.lessemf.com/cellphon.html#236

Emil

Maybe this can explain the Charlotte
King<http://www.viser.net/%7Echarking/story.html>effect?

On Dec 21, 2007 8:29 AM, Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...> wrote:

>   from http://www.interferencetechnology.com/emcnews/id1411
>
> Stanford University researcher believes that large earthquakes can be
> predicted by detecting ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves days or
> even weeks before they take place. Antony Fraser-Smith, emeritus professor
> of electrical engineering and geophysics, has long been interested in
> electromagnetic signals, most of which come from space where they are
> generated in the upper atmosphere by the sun and then beamed down to
> Earth.
> In 1989 Fraser-Smith and his research team were monitoring such waves in
> the
> Yorba Linda Mountains. On October 5, 1989 their monitoring equipment
> detected a large signal, which stayed constant for the next 12 days. The
> radio wave spiked at 2 p.m. on October 17, increasing in magnitude by 20
> or
> 30 times. The Loma Prieta earthquake struck three hours later at 5:04 p.m
> .,
> inflicting 63 fatalities and extensive damage across the San Francisco and
> Monterey Bay regions.
>
> Fraser-Smith concedes that because background EM waves would mask signals
> from small quakes, only significant quakes of 7.0 or above could be
> detected. Since it is precisely those quakes that cause the most damage,
> forewarnings could prove invaluable. He has called for federal funding to
> place 30 ultra-low-frequency monitoring equipment in 30 earthquake-prone
> locations around the globe. Find more details on this research on the
> Stanford University website at
> http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/2007/pr-agufraser-010908.html.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Emil DeToffol
> Less EMF Inc.
> tel: +1-518-432-1550
> fax: +1-309-422-4355
> www.lessemf.com
>
>
>


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from http://www.interferencetechnology.com/emcnews/id1411

Stanford University researcher believes that large earthquakes can be
predicted by detecting ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves days or
even weeks before they take place. Antony Fraser-Smith, emeritus professor
of electrical engineering and geophysics, has long been interested in
electromagnetic signals, most of which come from space where they are
generated in the upper atmosphere by the sun and then beamed down to Earth.
In 1989 Fraser-Smith and his research team were monitoring such waves in the
Yorba Linda Mountains. On October 5, 1989 their monitoring equipment
detected a large signal, which stayed constant for the next 12 days. The
radio wave spiked at 2 p.m. on October 17, increasing in magnitude by 20 or
30 times. The Loma Prieta earthquake struck three hours later at 5:04 p.m.,
inflicting 63 fatalities and extensive damage across the San Francisco and
Monterey Bay regions.


Fraser-Smith concedes that because background EM waves would mask signals
from small quakes, only significant quakes of 7.0 or above could be
detected. Since it is precisely those quakes that cause the most damage,
forewarnings could prove invaluable. He has called for federal funding to
place 30 ultra-low-frequency monitoring equipment in 30 earthquake-prone
locations around the globe. Find more details on this research on the
Stanford University website at
http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/2007/pr-agufraser-010908.html.



Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
tel: +1-518-432-1550
fax: +1-309-422-4355
www.lessemf.com

Hello everyone this is John. I don't post here often, but I browse the
messages from time to time, and I had to ask everyone a question.  As
you all know, I have a stubborn case of ES that seems to never get too
much worse, but it never seems to get better either.

The funny thing is, when I sleep at night, my body seems to be able to
recuperate and do some healing.  However, as the day progresses, it
never gets too far beyond that.

I have constant pain coming from my buccal nerve in the upper part of
my gums; however, I think the whole trigeminal nerve in my head, as
well as my central nervous system, has become ES sensitive.

I have tried everything possible to get rid of my ES, and nothing has
really worked.  The only time I get relief, is when I either go to
sleep at night, go outside, or take a shower full of hot steam.

I have been driving myself crazy trying to figure out how to stop this
problem.  The only thing that I haven't tried is liquid zeolite.  I
remember Marc Martin saying something to me about this a long time ago.

I am about to try it.  What I wanted to know, was is all zeolite the
same?  Should I only buy liquid zeolite from the company waioria, or
would it also be the same if I bought it from the company at this website:

http://www.zeolitesupplement.com/index.htm

Somebody please get back to me so  that I can make my choice.

Thanks,

John

TO ALL THAT HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE FOOTBATHS.
REMEMBER EACH OF US IS DIFFERENT AND WHAT MAY WORK FOR ME WON'T WORK
FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
WHEN I DO THE FOOT BATHS I GET RELIEF. I TAKE MAGNESIUM GLYCINATE
PILLS DAILY AND IT HELPS.
I HAVE LIVER AND GALL BLADDER PROBLEMS.
FOR MONTHS MY WATER WAS GREEN AND HAD WHITE BUBBLES. THAT MEANS IT'S
DETOXIFYING MY GALL BLADDER AND THE WHITE BUBBLES IS MUCUS BROWN WAS
LIVER.
i GO TO A CHROPRACTOR IN PITTSBURGH AND THE SESSIONS ARE $30 A SESSION.
I'VE HAD A LOT OF SYMPTONS REDUCED WITH THE FOOT BATH.
MY FRIEND AND I PURCHASED ONE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND AT THAT TIME IT
WAS $2,000.00 FOR THE MACHINE.  THE MONEY GETS EATEN UP WITH THE ARRAY
THAT GOES IN THE WATER.  THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT NEEDS TO BE USED
FREQUENTLY. WE BOTH BOUGHT ARRAYS AND JUST THE MACHINE MOVED BETWEEEN
HOUSES. THE ARRAYS AT THAT TIME COST $100.00 AND THEY LASTED ABOUT 6
MONTHS SO WE DECIDED WHEN THE MACHINE WENT ON THE FRITZ TO GO TO THE
OFFICE.  IT LOOKS A LITTLE LIKE THE WWW.BIONICHYDROTHERAPY.COM.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THESE FOOT BATHS FOR MANY YEARS.
WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM I GO GET A FOOT BATH AND IT SEEMS TO ALLEVIATE
THE PAIN. IT BEATS TAKING A BUNCH OF PILLS.

The Shumann frequencies come from above I think. so
putting the shield below is probably not going to stop them much.
Plus those Shumman frequencies are low and at least the magnetic component
is not going to be affected by a shield.

Bill

On Dec 19, 2007 2:25 PM, danielferres <danielferres@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I recently gave a budget RF shielding curtain from www.lessemf.com
> to a friend with the hope of stopping certain amount of radiation
> from a DECT that his neighbour has in the flat below.
> But recently I thougth that if he put the shield under his bed, he
> might lose schumman frequencies or natural frequencies.
> Could anyone help me with this doubt?
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>


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Hello,

I recently gave a budget RF shielding curtain from www.lessemf.com
to a friend with the hope of stopping certain amount of radiation
from a DECT that his neighbour has in the flat below.
But recently I thougth that if he put the shield under his bed, he
might lose schumman frequencies or natural frequencies.
Could anyone help me with this doubt?

Thanks and best regards,
Daniel

Hi, Torbjorn,

   I can't shed any light on your question, but I have been wondering the same
thing!  I live in western Pa, USA.  I have noticed (up until this year), a huge
change in our weather.  For instance, 2 years ago in Feb. I was able to garden
in shirt sleeves for over 2 weeks.  This had gotten to the point it wasn't even
an oddity anymore.  (One year I had some flowers all winter long, in a zone 5
climate, and over the past 10 years, I was able to grow a 25 foot southern
magnolia here, for heavens sake!)  I did notice that THAT particular February
while I was out gardening, that chem-trails filled the sky--in fact, I saw the 2
planes causing them and it looked all the world as tho they were playing
tic-tac-toe!  I also noticed that a few days later the sky filled with clouds
and it got seasonally cold here--high of about +20 degrees Fahrenheit, one night
going down to a low of about -5 degrees fahrenheit.  This year we are more
seasonably normal, but the sky is thickly cloudy to
  the point that everyone I talk to is complaining of sun deprivation and health
complaints relating to it.

   I saw a PBS special a few months ago about global dimming.  It made mention
that without global dimming (also, they said, a problem now), we'd be in really
big trouble from global warming.  They made mention of how the only time they
were able to actually measure global warming was during 911, when all the planes
had been grounded.  That cleared up the chem-trail phenomenon for me.  How
microwaves interact with chem-trails might be an interesting research subject.

   I have never heard anyone mention that all the microwaves and cell towers are
heating the atmosphere, but this makes more sense to me than not.  So has
ANYBODY researched this???  And if so, why is this info not filtering out?  I
thought I heard on the news 2 nights ago that the senate is hearing bills this
month to let the phone companies, etc, off the hook re old regulations and yet
are talking about funding them more money.  Did I hear this right?  I did notice
that they decided to introduce these bills at a time when almost nobody is
watching the news because of the holidays.  (I only heard half of what was said,
as I came in late to the conversation.)  All this technology might have us
sailing, as a whole, into uncharted waters, while the men in suits figure it out
as they are going along.  Oh, yeah, that's comforting!

   Let us hear if you hear anything more on this subject, Torbjorn,
   Diane

Torbjörn Lindblom <febpost@...> wrote:



Dear members of this group,

Today everyone is discussing the impact of the rising CO2-level on the climate.
Other green house gases like methane also contributes to this effect. (How true
this is I don’t know as a report I have says we had level above 400 ppm CO2 at
the beginning of 1800 and around 1940. Today’s level is around 380 ppm.)

Some time ago I heard about experiments made by Americans using microwaves to
induce rain in certain areas. If this is true or not I don’t know.

But, if this is true how will all the microwave senders (mobile phones and their
base stations) influence the weather? How will the crystalline materials around
us (rocks) be affected?
Has anyone in this group information to share with me?
Perhaps our earth has gone electrosensitive…

Torbjorn

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We are in agreement on that.
Bill

On Dec 16, 2007 7:53 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
wrote:

>   From an electrosensitive standpoint it doesn't matter if the
> capacitor, overall, doesn't consume power. The point is that
> current is required to charge and discharge the capacitor 120
> volts 60 times a second. Current induces a magnetic field.
>
>
> Eli
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > I don't even know how a DC supply works.
> >
> > I think the Stetzer people say it does not add to your electric
> bill.
> > Because it's 'reactive' current (not in phase with voltage) it does
> not
> > waste energy--
> > except there is a resistor in their filters too which wastes some.
> > Some say there is energy use due to losses on the line to the house.
> > But in fact I believe that's only second order in the current.
> > To first order there is a phase shift acting on the generator, which
> > might cost some energy to correct. But apparently the Utilities
> have some
> > method for balancing inductive and capacitive loads so that they
> don't cost
> > anything.
> > I've also been told the electric meter won't notice reactive loads
> but I'm
> > not
> > sure if that's true.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> > > to eliminate common mode noise.
> > >
> > > The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> > > very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
> > >
> > > One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> > > affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> > > to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> > > is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange
> thing
> > > is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw
> current.
> > > Ignorance or denial?
> > >
> > > I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll
> see
> > > if it has any health affects.
> > >
> > > As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
> > > line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
> > > plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com
<eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> Bruno"
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> > > only way
> > > > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> > > this house
> > > > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> > > doesn't
> > > > draw
> > > > current like a Stetzer does.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model
> 475
> > > > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> > > what?
> > > > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC
> adapter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eli
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com
<eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%
>
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> > >
> > > Bruno"
> > > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do
> think
> > > > > it's worth
> > > > > > unplugging
> > > > > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > > > > Stetzer
> > > > > > filters but I prefer
> > > > > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
> > > iceRadioProducts.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a
> problem,
> > > > > BUT the
> > > > > > real problem
> > > > > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor
> do the
> > > > > Stetzer
> > > > > > filters stop
> > > > > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
> > > differential
> > > > > mode,
> > > > > > without addressing
> > > > > > common mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of
> the
> > > > > wires into
> > > > > > the living space.
> > > > > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real
> strong. If
> > > > > you have
> > > > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> > > unshielded
> > > > > cords,
> > > > > > which most are).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > > > meters, but the
> > > > > > Stetzer one
> > > > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.
> Anyone
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> > > lived –
> > > > > that is
> > > > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL
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From an electrosensitive standpoint it doesn't matter if the
capacitor, overall, doesn't consume power. The point is that
current is required to charge and discharge the capacitor 120
volts 60 times a second. Current induces a magnetic field.

Eli



--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> I don't even know how a DC supply works.
>
> I think the Stetzer people say it does not add to your electric
bill.
> Because it's 'reactive' current (not in phase with voltage) it does
not
> waste energy--
> except there is a resistor in their filters too which wastes some.
> Some say there is energy use due to losses on the line to the house.
> But in fact I believe that's only second order in the current.
> To first order there is a phase shift acting on the generator, which
> might cost some energy to correct.  But apparently the Utilities
have some
> method for balancing inductive and capacitive loads so that they
don't cost
> anything.
> I've also been told the electric meter won't notice reactive loads
but I'm
> not
> sure if that's true.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> wrote:
>
> >   So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> > to eliminate common mode noise.
> >
> > The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> > very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
> >
> > One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> > affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> > to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> > is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange
thing
> > is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw
current.
> > Ignorance or denial?
> >
> > I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll
see
> > if it has any health affects.
> >
> > As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
> > line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
> > plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Bruno"
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> > only way
> > > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> > this house
> > > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> > doesn't
> > > draw
> > > current like a Stetzer does.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model
475
> > > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> > what?
> > > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > > >
> > > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > > >
> > > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > > >
> > > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC
adapter.
> > > >
> > > > Eli
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
> >
> > Bruno"
> > > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do
think
> > > > it's worth
> > > > > unplugging
> > > > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > > > Stetzer
> > > > > filters but I prefer
> > > > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
> > iceRadioProducts.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a
problem,
> > > > BUT the
> > > > > real problem
> > > > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor
do the
> > > > Stetzer
> > > > > filters stop
> > > > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
> > differential
> > > > mode,
> > > > > without addressing
> > > > > common mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of
the
> > > > wires into
> > > > > the living space.
> > > > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real
strong. If
> > > > you have
> > > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> > unshielded
> > > > cords,
> > > > > which most are).
> > > > >
> > > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > > meters, but the
> > > > > Stetzer one
> > > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.
Anyone
> > > > have
> > > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> > lived –
> > > > that is
> > > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL
Mail ! -
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I don't even know how a DC supply works.

I think the Stetzer people say it does not add to your electric bill.
Because it's 'reactive' current (not in phase with voltage) it does not
waste energy--
except there is a resistor in their filters too which wastes some.
Some say there is energy use due to losses on the line to the house.
But in fact I believe that's only second order in the current.
To first order there is a phase shift acting on the generator, which
might cost some energy to correct.  But apparently the Utilities have some
method for balancing inductive and capacitive loads so that they don't cost
anything.
I've also been told the electric meter won't notice reactive loads but I'm
not
sure if that's true.

Bill

On Dec 15, 2007 2:06 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
wrote:

>   So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
> to eliminate common mode noise.
>
> The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
> very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.
>
> One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
> affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
> to 0.02 volts. Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
> is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange thing
> is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw current.
> Ignorance or denial?
>
> I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll see
> if it has any health affects.
>
> As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
> line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
> plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
>
> Eli
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw. I think that's the
> only way
> > to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
> this house
> > (but it's on the to-do list). The other thing I like is that 475
> doesn't
> > draw
> > current like a Stetzer does.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> > > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
> what?
> > > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> > >
> > > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> > >
> > > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> > >
> > > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
> > >
> > > Eli
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com
<eSens%40yahoogroups.com><eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
>
> Bruno"
> > > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
> > > it's worth
> > > > unplugging
> > > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > > Stetzer
> > > > filters but I prefer
> > > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
> iceRadioProducts.com.
> > > >
> > > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
> > > BUT the
> > > > real problem
> > > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
> > > Stetzer
> > > > filters stop
> > > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
> differential
> > > mode,
> > > > without addressing
> > > > common mode.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> > > wires into
> > > > the living space.
> > > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> > > you have
> > > > metal conduit it may
> > > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
> unshielded
> > > cords,
> > > > which most are).
> > > >
> > > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > > meters, but the
> > > > Stetzer one
> > > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> > > have
> > > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
> lived –
> > > that is
> > > > > to have succeeded"
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> > > > > http://webmail.aol.com
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Dear members of this group,

Today everyone is discussing the impact of the rising CO2-level on the climate.
Other green house gases like methane also contributes to this effect. (How true
this is I don’t know as a report I have says we had level above 400 ppm CO2 at
the beginning of 1800 and around 1940. Today’s level is around 380 ppm.)

Some time ago I heard about experiments made by Americans using microwaves to
induce rain in certain areas. If this is true or not I don’t know.

But, if this is true how will all the microwave senders (mobile phones and their
base stations) influence the weather? How will the crystalline materials around
us (rocks) be affected?
Has anyone in this group information to share with me?
Perhaps our earth has gone electrosensitive…

Torbjorn

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So if there's noise on the ground as well then there's no way
to eliminate common mode noise.

The 475 doesn't draw much current because the capacitors are
very small. As a result it has a high cut-off frequency.

One capacitor shunted accross Hot and Neutral appears to be very
affective in reducing 30k Hz noise (0.25 volts peak-to-peak down
to 0.02 volts.  Of course the 20 uF capacitor draws current, which
is why some folks may get adverse reactions to them. The strange thing
is how the distributors for these filters deny that they draw current.
Ignorance or denial?

I've got one ($3.00 capacitor) plugged in a wall far away. We'll see
if it has any health affects.

As for AC adapters, I see very little noise transmitted to the AC
line. The horrendous noise is on the DC end, which of course is
plugged into the computer and transmitted to the user.
Eli

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> 475 comes with a ground screw that you saw.  I think that's the
only way
> to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in
this house
> (but it's on the to-do list).  The other thing I like is that 475
doesn't
> draw
> current like a Stetzer does.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
> wrote:
>
> >   Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> > filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to
what?
> > From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> > circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
> >
> > What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
> >
> > Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> > adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
> >
> > Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> > http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
> >
> > It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> > at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
> >
> > Eli
> >
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Bruno"
> > <wbruno@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
> > it's worth
> > > unplugging
> > > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> > Stetzer
> > > filters but I prefer
> > > using isolation filters like model 475 from
iceRadioProducts.com.
> > >
> > > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
> > BUT the
> > > real problem
> > > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
> > Stetzer
> > > filters stop
> > > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the
differential
> > mode,
> > > without addressing
> > > common mode.
> > >
> > > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> > wires into
> > > the living space.
> > > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> > you have
> > > metal conduit it may
> > > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming
unshielded
> > cords,
> > > which most are).
> > >
> > > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> > meters, but the
> > > Stetzer one
> > > is more affordable and easy to use.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> > have
> > > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have
lived –
> > that is
> > > > to have succeeded"
> > > >
> > > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________________
> > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> > > > http://webmail.aol.com
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
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> > > >
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I have heard that fermented foods like Miso are recommended for
RF sickness.  It could just be that the body needs all the help it can get.
turmeric is possibly good for Alzheimer's, so it's a good bet for EHS too.
Bill

On Dec 14, 2007 1:37 PM, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote:

>   Hi everyone,
>
> Every now and then I see mention given to certain foods, such as Miso,
> or perhaps sage or thyme, or turmeric, etc., pertaining to their
> "radioprotective", which by definition, is (paraphrased) "to protect
> against the effects of radiation".
>
> What I'm trying to determine is if this "radioprotective" effect is
> only applicable to ionizing radiation (such as that encountered at
> Hiroshima, counteracted by some on-site researchers who claimed that
> daily Miso soup consumption negated a lot of the radioactive fallout
> effects for them), or if the term can also apply to the non-ionizing
> spectrum of radiation, such as high frequency RF from
> towers/masts/DECT/cell-phones.
>
> Obviously, substances such as those listed above have a wealth of
> other benefits, but do you think that their radio-protectivity is
> biologically applicable to the non-ionizing spectrum, as I mentioned?
>
> Love to hear what you think!
>
> Regards,
>
> R.
>
>
>


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475 comes with a ground screw that you saw.  I think that's the only way
to get rid of common mode, and it's a pain to ground anything in this house
(but it's on the to-do list).  The other thing I like is that 475 doesn't
draw
current like a Stetzer does.

Bill

On Dec 14, 2007 11:03 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
wrote:

>   Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
> filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to what?
> From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
> circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.
>
> What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?
>
> Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
> adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.
>
> Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
> http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg
>
> It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
> at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.
>
> Eli
>
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill Bruno"
> <wbruno@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes. If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
> it's worth
> > unplugging
> > stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit. You could use
> Stetzer
> > filters but I prefer
> > using isolation filters like model 475 from iceRadioProducts.com.
> >
> > It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
> BUT the
> > real problem
> > is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
> Stetzer
> > filters stop
> > that kind. So it's pointless to work real hard on the differential
> mode,
> > without addressing
> > common mode.
> >
> > Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
> wires into
> > the living space.
> > If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong. If
> you have
> > metal conduit it may
> > only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming unshielded
> cords,
> > which most are).
> >
> > For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
> meters, but the
> > Stetzer one
> > is more affordable and easy to use.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter. Anyone
> have
> > > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks!
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> > > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived –
> that is
> > > to have succeeded"
> > >
> > > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > >
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Isn't neutral was tied to ground? If so, how does the Model 475
filter common mode noise? The common noise is in reference to what?
From the picture it looks like the hot wire feeds a simple LC
circuit, relative to ground. Maybe the same for neutral.

What's the ratio of differential noise to common noise?

Anyway, I'd like to see how the 475 handles my laptop AC
adapter. This adapter is the noisiest critter on earth.

Here's an AC filter I've been toying with:
http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/acfilter.jpg

It starts cutting off somewhere around 88 Hz, 99% attenuation
at 1k Hz. We'll soon C how it performs against this AC adapter.

Eli


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Yes.  If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think
it's worth
> unplugging
> stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit.  You could use
Stetzer
> filters but I prefer
> using isolation filters like model 475 from iceRadioProducts.com.
>
> It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem,
BUT the
> real problem
> is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the
Stetzer
> filters stop
> that kind.  So it's pointless to work real hard on the differential
mode,
> without addressing
> common mode.
>
> Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the
wires into
> the living space.
> If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong.  If
you have
> metal conduit it may
> only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming unshielded
cords,
> which most are).
>
> For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of
meters, but the
> Stetzer one
> is more affordable and easy to use.
>
> Bill
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@...> wrote:
>
> >   Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.  Anyone
have
> > experience with these and know if they do anything?
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > Jill
> >
> > To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived –
  that is
> > to have succeeded"
> >
> > -Ralph Waldo Emerson
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> > http://webmail.aol.com
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi everyone,

Every now and then I see mention given to certain foods, such as Miso,
or perhaps sage or thyme, or turmeric, etc., pertaining to their
"radioprotective", which by definition, is (paraphrased) "to protect
against the effects of radiation".

What I'm trying to determine is if this "radioprotective" effect is
only applicable to ionizing radiation (such as that encountered at
Hiroshima, counteracted by some on-site researchers who claimed that
daily Miso soup consumption negated a lot of the radioactive fallout
effects for them), or if the term can also apply to the non-ionizing
spectrum of radiation, such as high frequency RF from
towers/masts/DECT/cell-phones.

Obviously, substances such as those listed above have a wealth of
other benefits, but do you think that their radio-protectivity is
biologically applicable to the non-ionizing spectrum, as I mentioned?

Love to hear what you think!

Regards,

R.

Yes.  If the reading is very high, like over 200, then I do think it's worth
unplugging
stuff, turning stuff off, to find the culprit.  You could use Stetzer
filters but I prefer
using isolation filters like model 475 from iceRadioProducts.com.

It's possible that even readings of 25 to 50 indicate a problem, BUT the
real problem
is that the meter does not measure common mode noise, nor do the Stetzer
filters stop
that kind.  So it's pointless to work real hard on the differential mode,
without addressing
common mode.

Also, the meter doesn't tell you how much is getting out of the wires into
the living space.
If there's a wiring error the radiation could be real strong.  If you have
metal conduit it may
only radiate from where things are plugged in (assuming unshielded cords,
which most are).

For these reasons one is much better off with other kinds of meters, but the
Stetzer one
is more affordable and easy to use.

Bill

On Dec 14, 2007 10:52 AM, <Jsverdlove@...> wrote:

>   Someone offered to lend us his Stetzer machine/meter.  Anyone have
> experience with these and know if they do anything?
>
>
>
> thanks!
>
> Jill
>
> To know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived – that is
> to have succeeded"
>
> -Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
> __________________________________________________________
> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> http://webmail.aol.com
>
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>
>
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