In a message dated 11/30/2007 10:30:35 PM GMT Standard Time,
haikuron@... writes:

Just  came acrosse a budget radio frequency curtain at  blockemf.com

LOOKS LIKE SURVIVAL BLANKET MATERIAL - HOW LARGE IS IT ?











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--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Were you measuring hot to neutral or hot to a true ground?

I'm measuring and filtering Hot to Neutral.

>
> Common mode noise by definition will not show up on hot relative to
neutral.

Can you please describe common mode noise in more detail, Bill?
How do you measure it? It's common between what lines? How do you
filter it? Why will it not show up on hot relative to neutral?

>
> Do you find halogen bulbs different from incandescent?  If so, why
is that?
> I assume there is no dimmer switch involved?  I suspect track
lights in
> general
> might actually be prone to interference (i.e., act like an antenna)
if they
> are
> true track lights in the sense that you can slide the lamps in the
track
> (after loosening a screw).

They're 12 volt bulbs. It looks like there's a switching supply
module feeding each bulb. Incadescents don't produce such noise.

>
> Thanks for posting-
> Bill

Were you measuring hot to neutral or hot to a true ground?

Common mode noise by definition will not show up on hot relative to neutral.

Do you find halogen bulbs different from incandescent?  If so, why is that?
I assume there is no dimmer switch involved?  I suspect track lights in
general
might actually be prone to interference (i.e., act like an antenna) if they
are
true track lights in the sense that you can slide the lamps in the track
(after loosening a screw).

Thanks for posting-
Bill


On Nov 30, 2007 6:32 PM, jaime_schunkewitz <jaime_schunkewitz@...>
wrote:

>   Here's a look at house power, dirty power, and
> filtering:
>
> http://ahappyhabitat.com/homes.html
>
> Best Regards,
> Eli
>
>
>


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Here's a look at house power, dirty power, and
filtering:

http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/homes.html

Best Regards,
Eli

Just came acrosse a budget radio frequency curtain at blockemf.com

http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5072

Sounds too good to be true as it is a fraction of the price of most
shielding material.

Has anyone tried this? Is it worth trying?

Thanks,
Aline

Hi all.

I have gone through the Electrical Sensitivity battle, and have won.
I credit it to 2 healing techniques.

1.  Electrical Sensitivity Reiki.  I founded (acutally was gifted)
this system to help all who have electrical sensitivity release
mental/emotional patterns that are attached to fear, hatred, anger,
and negativity towards electricity, and repattern the aura and body to
not be affected by electricity any more.  A session includes energy
healing, inituitive counseling and and electrical clearing, clearing
out all electricity that is keeping you magnatized to more and more
electricity coming into your body.  A session is offered at a
discounted price as I have great compassion for all who deal with
Electrical Sensitivity.  $35 for an hour long phone session.  My
number is 218-428-8643, and my website is
http://www.thehealingpathduluth.com.

2.  Homeopathy.  At my deepest point of electrical sensitivity,
homeopathy healed my electrical sensitivity about 80%.  I was gifted a
remedy called ytterbium (which was imported from Austria).  There is a
book, which I don't know the name of, about remedies to cure electrica
sensitivity.  I would not list this if it didn't work.  Instantly I
felt about %70 better and over the next cuple weeks it grew to about
80.  Please consult a homeopath before you get a remedy as there are
many and they will know how to choose the one that is right for you.
The homoepath that introduced this too me and knows the name of the
book is MaryLu at http://www.vitalforceconsulting.com =)

I am sending you all healing at least weekly.

Light and Love to you,
-Patrick Arden McNally

The body will absorb it.
And you may get sick.

Remember at the swiss UMTS study (ETH) people were exposed to 10 V/m.
4 persons reported heavy symptoms (out of the 117).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandi Maurer" <jspirit@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 21:19
Subject: [eSens] Re: Need help, input, links, ideas/ feedback


>
> Charles:
>
> Is that 17.367 volts per meter that the body then conducts, as in Body
> electric field levels?
>
>
>
>
> 1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
> so
> 0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Yes, but a body voltage measurement would not detect the microwaves
because the frequency is too high (the voltage changes up and down too
fast).

In fact body voltage is measured in volts, and field strength in
volts/meter.
The reason I wish people would quit measuring body voltage is because
it is biologically meaningless unless you know how many meters you
have to go before the voltage changes.  Inside a Faraday cage you can be at
10 kiloVolts
just fine because the voltage is uniform so volts/meter is 0.

Bill

On Nov 28, 2007 1:19 PM, Sandi Maurer <jspirit@...> wrote:

>
> Charles:
>
> Is that 17.367 volts per meter that the body then conducts, as in Body
> electric field levels?
>
>
> 1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
> so
> 0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m
>
>


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If the microwave oven was less than one inch in size one could
say the  power should drop as the square of the distance, so 10x farther
means 100x lower.

In reality it's going to depend on where you measure, especially on
whether there is a line of sight through the window to the feed horn
where the microwaves come out.  If so the power will probably decay
as the square of the distance from the inside of the feed horn.
Thus from 2cm outside the door to 20cm outside the power will
probably only drop by a factor of 4 or so.

In other directions the field will be less but I can't predict how much.

Hope that helps
Bill

On Nov 28, 2007 1:17 PM, sandimaurer <jspirit@...> wrote:

>
> My Math Question:
>
> If the FDA sets the limit of 5mW/cm2 at two inches from the microwave
> oven door what would be the exposure level at 20 inches if it is one
> one-hundreth of value. ? How about at 4 feet? 10 ft?
>
> thanks. And thanks Charles for your last answer.: )
>
> From the FDA website:
> "A Federal standard limits the amount of microwaves that can leak from
> an oven throughout its lifetime to 5 milliwatts (mW) of microwave
> radiation per square centimeter at approximately 2 inches from the
> oven surface. This limit is far below the level known to harm people.
> Microwave energy also decreases dramatically as you move away from the
> source of radiation. A measurement made 20 inches from an oven would
> be approximately one one-hundredth of value measured at 2 inches."
>
>
>


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Charles:

Is that 17.367 volts per meter that the body then conducts, as in Body
electric field levels?




1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
so
0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m

My Math Question:

If the FDA sets the limit of 5mW/cm2 at two inches from the microwave
oven door what would be the exposure level at 20 inches if it is one
one-hundreth of value. ? How about at 4 feet? 10 ft?

thanks. And thanks Charles for your last answer.: )


From the FDA website:
"A Federal standard limits the amount of microwaves that can leak from
an oven throughout its lifetime to 5 milliwatts (mW) of microwave
radiation per square centimeter at approximately 2 inches from the
oven surface. This limit is far below the level known to harm people.
Microwave energy also decreases dramatically as you move away from the
source of radiation. A measurement made 20 inches from an oven would
be approximately one one-hundredth of value measured at 2 inches."

I've determined over time that I react to the flicker of computer
screens.  My laptop flat screen is much better than my old pc which
killed my eyes, but the laptop still bothers me.  I have an extreme
sensitivity to fluorescent lighting and the one thing that's worked
for me is being treated for Irlen Syndrome.  I have special glasses
with colored lenses that neutralize my issues with the computer.  Go
to www.irlen.com for more info.  If it's your monitor, it could be the
refresh rate that's causing you discomfort.  Good luck.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "sandimaurer" <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to figure what is it that I am reacting to with my
> computer. I have measured the EMF's and nothing shows up as unusually
> high. The body voltage doesn't seem any higher, there is no magnetic
> field where I am sitting, and no unusal radio frequencies. I measured
> those with the RF field strength meter. It seems to be my 17"
> flatscreen which bothers me. After about 10 minutes on the computer my
> thinking and concentration go haywire. I have to work hard to keep my
> mind and focus together. I have the brightness of the screen turned
> down. I have always had this trouble with this computer.(Gateway) What
> could be causing this? I wonder if a screen over the flat panel would
> help?
>
> Thanks,
> Sandi
>

1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
so
0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandi Maurer" <jspirit@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 17:57
Subject: [eSens] Re: Need help, input, links, ideas/ feedback


> Can anyone tell me how many times higher is .08m/Wcm2  to .8u/Wcm2?
> Thanks, Sandi
>
>

Can anyone tell me how many times higher is .08m/Wcm2  to .8u/Wcm2?
Thanks, Sandi

Can you send me a link/s to that info?
Curious, what does QED stand for?
thanks, sandi


>       Posted by: "asurisuk" asurisuk@...
>      
<mailto:asurisuk@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Need%20help%2C%20input%2C%20links\
%2C%20ideas%2F%20feedback>
>         asurisuk <http://profiles.yahoo.com/asurisuk>
>
>
>         Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:05 am (PST)
>
> The European Environment Agency, the HIGHEST SCIENTIFIC BODY WITHIN
> THE EU, has stated that the WHO guidelines are thousands of times too
> lenient.
>
> QED as far as I'm concerned.
>
>


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Can you send me a link/s to that info?
Curious, what does QED satnd for?
thanks, sandi


>       Posted by: "asurisuk" asurisuk@...
>      
<mailto:asurisuk@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Need%20help%2C%20input%2C%20links\
%2C%20ideas%2F%20feedback>
>         asurisuk <http://profiles.yahoo.com/asurisuk>
>
>
>         Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:05 am (PST)
>
> The European Environment Agency, the HIGHEST SCIENTIFIC BODY WITHIN
> THE EU, has stated that the WHO guidelines are thousands of times too
> lenient.
>
> QED as far as I'm concerned.
>
>


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There are at least 3 different kinds of wireless meters. Some beep
every 30 seconds, some only when activated by a meter reader, etc.
See if you can get one installed where it is hooked into the phone line
and it calls up in the middle of the night once a month to report your
usage.
Andrew
On Nov 25, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

> Mike wrote:
>> My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely.  I would
>> like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
>> effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.
>
> Hmmm, does anyone know for a fact that they react badly to
> such things?  Do these meters transmit continuously?  It
> would seem that they would only need to transmit for a
> split second, once per month.
>
> I've never noticed myself reacting badly to my wireless
> garage door opener, and I would think the technology
> would be similar.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Maybe in the  www.planetthrive.com community you can try to find a
similar child.
This community joins people recovering from environmental and other
chronic illnesses, including MCS, Lyme, Electrosensitivity,...

Daniel

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "eleccentric" <eleccentric@...> wrote:
>
> My 8 yr old emf sensitive child has repeatedly expressed a desire for
> someone of approximate like age and situation to correspond with.  Do
> any of you have an emf sensitive child who might enjoy an emf sensitive
> pen-pal?  Does anyone know if there is a website/group established for
> emf sensitive children?  What better way to get public attention to the
> issue than to let our children speak for themselves???  Thank you,
> Christine
>

Bill, you say you can detect it on the sidewalk.  Does this mean that
it does transmit continuously?  whats its range? I presume the idea
is that the water metre man can access the info from the meter
without having to go into the house, ie from the sidewalk.  Is that
right?

Also, my mum and dad are installing a new boiler which will use a
wireless device.  know anything about those?

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> I think the best might be bioInitiative.org.  Also microwaveNews.
>
> FYI we now have a wireless water meter at my house.  There are
different
> types.  I was a bit worried but really am not able to detect it
with a meter
> unless within a few feet of the sidewalk.  It does make me not want
to be
> on the sidewalk.
>
> Conceivably the signal could travel on the water pipe into the
house, but
> I could not detect that either.
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 25, 2007 9:29 AM, Mike <newmike_g@...> wrote:
>
> >   My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely. I
would
> > like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
> > effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.
> >
> > Does anybody have a good recourse that I could use?
> >
> > Thanks Mike G
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The European Environment Agency, the HIGHEST SCIENTIFIC BODY WITHIN
THE EU, has stated that the WHO guidelines are thousands of times too
lenient.

QED as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, on the same sort of subject as barking dogs, the
frequencies going through my ears and body as a result of the
electrical set up near me is like having an upstairs neighbour that
is permanently doing the hoovering.



The most --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
wrote:
>
> We've been fighting a more limited plan in our city.
>
> A personal meeting with the guy in charge of the plan seems to
> have at least slowed it down.  It was helpful to find out his
motivations
> for going forward and who's pushing on him.
>
> He was open to the idea that the FCC protects us no better than
> FEMA after Katrina.  He was impressed by WHO, but bioInitiative is
> a useful counter, after mentioning the way industry infiltrates the
> official bodies.
>
> I also think in this case it helped to say 'go ahead and install it
in
> the downtown library that's right next to a cell tower anyway.
We're
> against
> it, it may hurt people, but we'll give in on it because we can't
use that
> library anyway.'
>
> Writing letters to the newspaper's editorial page may help.
>
> Or city has quite liberal politics so it might be different
somewhere else.
> I do think they should consider that if they've heard of
bioInitiative, the
> could get sued for knowingly hurting people.
>
> We're asking for 'safe zones' which I think puts them in a bind in
terms of
> legal liability--if they know other areas are not safe, then they
are
> negligent perhaps.
>
> It occurred to me recently, that even if it was suddenly obvious to
> officials tomorrow
> that cell phone towers were deadly, it's probably not in the
public's
> interest to
> create a panic.  But certainly people should have the right to avoid
> microwaves if
> they choose, and for sensitive people the choice is obvious.  In
the spirit
> of
> the American's with Disabilities Act we should be able to do what
we need to
> without
> getting zapped, including voting, petitioning the government for
redress,
> equal access,
> equal treatment.
>
> I thought someone on our side made a great point to the City
Council, about
> how the
> city takes action when someone complains about a barking dog.
Rightly so,
> as that
> can drive someone crazy.  For EHS people, a transmitter is more
like a fire
> alarm that
> never turns off.  If they believe in equality, and in individual
rights, how
> can they address
> the dog but not the transmitter?
>
> Good luck...
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 9:03 PM, sandimaurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> >   Our city council voted unanimously to put Wifi in the downtown
core
> > and they plan to eventually make it city wide. I live in a small
town
> > of about 4000 people, with already 70 towers and 447 antennaes in
an 8
> > mile radius. I gave a resolute and passionate speech addressing
the
> > health concerns of wifi. The Industry rep claims "there are NO
adverse
> > health effects" The council hailed this guy as a superhero! They
> > postponed the vote two weeks earlier to research the health
effects
> > (after a few of us sent letters) during which time I sent them
lots of
> > info links etc only to hear them say. "We researched the health
> > effects and we believe according to the WHO (world health org)
that
> > the effects are minimal so we say yes.
> >
> > I felt so angry and humiliated! I am preparing a counter response
> > letter to the council and want to compile a huge list of links
that
> > clearly acknowledge the adverse health effects of wireless. Maybe
I'll
> > ask to see both the industry proof there are NO health affects.
Ask
> > for the research the council did and the comments from WHO that
> > convinced him.
> >
> > Here are the stats on the wifi from the city council minutes:
> >
> > Device proposed is 2.4 gigahertz; 802.11B Wi-Fi
> > 200 meter range per unit
> > Units will be tied together creating lesser amount of transmit
power
> > Fewer number of radios needed and units are inexpensive, therefore
> > more cost effective
> > Extra units can be added when coverage fails more easily
> > Many studies have been conducted and research is available to
review
> > and the conclusion is there are no adverse health affects
> > 2.4 gigahertz transmit power is 100 million amps; gaining of 3
> > decibels from the antenna
> >
> > Honestly I cannot help but to fight this. I think my whole life I
have
> > been preparing for this awareness based on my experiences and
just who
> > I am. Its been a year now since I discovered that electricity and
> > magnetic fields were harming my immune system. I am stronger and
ready
> > to begin educating. Being shot down at the city council meeting
was a
> > tough initiation.
> >
> > Any feedback or ideas or your best links/stories esp about RF/
emr/
> > wifi would be most appreciated.
> > THank you all, Sandi
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks.
My worry was they would attempt to replace the current meter with
this one and I have children sleeping less then 10 feet away from the
current meter.

If they will put it out side the house I will have less of a problem
with it.

Mike G
The range I think is around 910 mhz




--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> I think the best might be bioInitiative.org.  Also microwaveNews.
>
> FYI we now have a wireless water meter at my house.  There are
different
> types.  I was a bit worried but really am not able to detect it
with a meter
> unless within a few feet of the sidewalk.  It does make me not want
to be
> on the sidewalk.
>
> Conceivably the signal could travel on the water pipe into the
house, but
> I could not detect that either.
>
> Bill
>
> On Nov 25, 2007 9:29 AM, Mike <newmike_g@...> wrote:
>
> >   My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely. I
would
> > like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
> > effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.
> >
> > Does anybody have a good recourse that I could use?
> >
> > Thanks Mike G
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Bill Bruno wrote:
> Actually a lot of them transmit about once a second every second, 24/7
> (like what we have which is called a 'firefly').

Boy, that's really a stupid design -- transmit every second
for something that really only needs to transmit 6 to 12
times a year!

Marc

Actually a lot of them transmit about once a second every second, 24/7
(like what we have which is called a 'firefly').
On some of them that can be adjusted.

The carrier frequencies can be lower than cell phones.  But I do believe
I was very affected by a 400 MHz transmitter pulsing twice per second
(but it was strong and not too far away-- I measured 2 V/m, which the
water meter transmitters here are much less than).


On Nov 25, 2007 9:58 AM, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>   Mike wrote:
> > My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely. I would
> > like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
> > effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.
>
> Hmmm, does anyone know for a fact that they react badly to
> such things? Do these meters transmit continuously? It
> would seem that they would only need to transmit for a
> split second, once per month.
>
> I've never noticed myself reacting badly to my wireless
> garage door opener, and I would think the technology
> would be similar.
>
> Marc
>
>


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I think the best might be bioInitiative.org.  Also microwaveNews.

FYI we now have a wireless water meter at my house.  There are different
types.  I was a bit worried but really am not able to detect it with a meter
unless within a few feet of the sidewalk.  It does make me not want to be
on the sidewalk.

Conceivably the signal could travel on the water pipe into the house, but
I could not detect that either.

Bill

On Nov 25, 2007 9:29 AM, Mike <newmike_g@...> wrote:

>   My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely. I would
> like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
> effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.
>
> Does anybody have a good recourse that I could use?
>
> Thanks Mike G
>
>
>


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Mike wrote:
> My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely.  I would
> like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
> effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.

Hmmm, does anyone know for a fact that they react badly to
such things?  Do these meters transmit continuously?  It
would seem that they would only need to transmit for a
split second, once per month.

I've never noticed myself reacting badly to my wireless
garage door opener, and I would think the technology
would be similar.

Marc

My town is installing water meters that can be read remotely.  I would
like to refuse and need some documentation regarding the negative
effects of a the sending of radio waves on the human body.

   Does anybody have a good recourse that I could use?

Thanks Mike G

They are cristals.
They work for a short period.
Then they soak up everything, and start emitting that.

So, don't use *things* that contain cristals.
Except monolite cristals, like the Pulsors.
They work, but are expensive.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "danielferres" <danielferres@...>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 06:24
Subject: [eSens] doubt about Ozaliet/Benzoliet ?


>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone tried this product to deal with electrosmog radiation?
> I've used google to find testimonials but I don't find too much
> information about it.
>
> These products are called ozaliet (ozalite) and benzoliet (benzolite).
> http://www.aquariuswholism.com/
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hi,

Does anyone tried this product to deal with electrosmog radiation?
I've used google to find testimonials but I don't find too much
information about it.

These products are called ozaliet (ozalite) and benzoliet (benzolite).
http://www.aquariuswholism.com/

Thanks and best regards,
Daniel

Thanks everyone for your feedback I did not know about the BioInitiave
and it is just the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you!
Thanks for the encouragement and although I was the only one to speak up
I have the determination and the passion to educate and persevere in a
climate of serious denial.  We must know we are never alone! We have
each other and we have an enormous amount of information and easy access
to it through the internet.  I should've consulted this group two weeks
ago! If I had I might of averted their decision. I will carry on.  Sandi

I finally bought a portable radio and tested the monitor, sure enough,
large increase in static.

> You should try taking a portable AM radio, and tune it to where there is
> no radio station. You'll probably notice a large increase in noise
> on the radio when you bring it closer to the monitor.